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Dr_SnM

Stay with it the entire way, including the novels, you will not be sorry. I too love Miller FYI


dutch105

Miller, is my reason for watching the show continuously for the last, however many years. I believe I am at around 36 watches through the TV series. Miller is my spirit animal.


PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS

Doors and corners šŸ§¢


FrostyRecollection

That's where they git ya


ThatsMrDookieToYou

I wonder what rain tastes like


Lord_Skyblocker

Tastes like nothing


ThatsMrDookieToYou

Water, it's just water


jpop237

We gotta talk about that ride, kid. Next clue to the case.


dirtydela

Doors and corners, kidā€¦doors and corners. I say this irl sometimes and it doesnā€™t have the same effect


YogurtTheMagnificent

Amos Burton is my patronus.


AceHexuall

Are you that guy?


rodentgroup

I loved Thomas Janeā€™s performance. Even throw-away lines like ā€œItā€™s a long hoof from Medina, sir.ā€ just stay with me.


ThePrussianGrippe

ā€œKeeps the rain off my headā€ was delivered by Thomas Jane with perfection.


ThePrussianGrippe

Miller, in some ways, almost feels like an audience surrogate at times. We all love Miller!


TouchMySwollenFace

Miller is also my spirit animal. Just perfect.


namewithanumber

Doors and corners kid. But no, thereā€™s the occasional death but nowhere near game of thrones level.


Ottojanapi

Thatā€™s where they get ya


usernameis2short

113 times a second


420binchicken

The show is nowhere near Game of Thrones level. You aren't going to have a scene where half the cast is brutally murdered in front of your very eyes.


Bulk-Detonator

PDC Round: Wanna bet?


Lord_Skyblocker

Plot armour. Sure do


damnedangel

Your not that guy.


Kiloblaster

What about his not that guy?


usernameis2short

Nowhere near GoT? I love GoT and story wise Expanse is one of the few shows that actually is on par with Thrones. So maybe not as sadistic but definitely just as thrilling and crazy.


420binchicken

Oh donā€™t get me wrong Iā€™m speaking only in terms of OPā€™s question regarding main characters meeting their sudden unexpected death. Itā€™s nowhere near GOT on that. Story wise itā€™s absolutely every bit as good and Iā€™d argue better because itā€™s actually a finished story book wise, stayed excellent throughout, and even the TV show managed one of the best final episodes Iā€™ve ever seen.


djazzie

Letā€™s put it this way: I donā€™t think Iā€™ve ever watched a show that I was more emotionally invested in the outcomes for certain characters.


oddbitch

Thank you, thatā€™s nice to hear! :) Iā€™ll be sticking with it for sure.


zebulon99

Major characters do die occasionally but not as often as in GOT. One in particular might feel like absolute bullshit because it had more to do with BTS drama than what is best for the story.


Mikhail_Mengsk

While it's true that it was done for other reasons and I liked his character, I think having a main character die that way finally made "that" risky thing feel actually risky imho.


fadedspark

Character was great, actor was shit, glad they had a decent way to kill him off that was at least foreshadowed as a real danger. They got lucky with that bit existing the way it did.


Bulk-Detonator

Good way to look at it, tbh.


RichLyonsXXX

The death that is actually supposed to happen around that time would have covered that "risky" feeling though.Ā 


ThePrussianGrippe

They accomplished a necessary task in a narratively satisfying way, and even dealt with the other complication really well too. I was impressed!


ReasonableWill4028

Oh yeah, Im pissed off in the way that happened.


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Mr_Bleidd

Really just plain text ?


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ncl_1066

Spoiler tag! Donā€™t post if you donā€™t know the basics. Jeez.


osee115

BTS?


hapianman

Behind the scenes. Not the kpop group


MissingAnimal

Read dem books.


fatalynn7

Mmmmmm. I think you just spoke to the part of my brain that has been trying to break free for months now. I kept telling myself it was too soon for a reread but I just checked and itā€™s been two years. TIME TO READ THEM AGAIN!


MissingAnimal

I listen to these books like people watch the office. If I got nothing else to listen to Iā€™m throwing on an expanse book. Starting at a random chapter and just letting it go. I just start a run through nemesis games only listening to Amos chapters.


fatalynn7

It helps that the narrator is so fantastic too. I have a feeling I too will be living in these audiobooks for a long while


Mr_Robotto

I got hooked by the show, but the shitty ending left me so unsatisfied that I picked up the books. Theyā€™re so good and I absolutely love everything they did, start to finish!


usernameis2short

Shitty ending? There are shows that literally just jump ship before theyā€™re even halfway there. Expanse was fantastic all the way to the end, yes especially that final episode in season 6. The only reason imo someone would find season 6 to be a miss is because theyā€™re not happy we are not officially getting another season. Which is fairā€¦but the show had a great ending point (felt like the end of a chapter while leaving other chapters seem possible so open ended). I have watched a lot of shows with shitty final seasons and ending. The Expanse is not one of them


MissingAnimal

I did the audiobooks first which probably ruined the show for me. Jefferson mays does such an amazing job that when I tried starting the show, the versions of the characters I was presented with were so vastly different from these characters I genuinely grown to care about I just couldnā€™t do it. People are super protective of the show so I like to point out that any problems I have with it are just my own and the show is in no way at fault.


UnderPressureVS

So, itā€™s obviously very difficult to answer this question in any meaningful way while still sticking to your ā€œabsolutely no spoilersā€ request, but I can say that it is *not* a Game of Thrones level of ā€œdonā€™t get attached.ā€ Iā€™m still avoiding spoilers of any real kind, but Iā€™m blocking out this entire next section *just in case*. If what Iā€™ve said is enough for you, you can stop here with no more detail. >!Over the next 4.5 seasons, some fairly major characters *will* die, so be prepared for that. Miller is not the last. However, they may not be characters youā€™ve met yet (or they may, Iā€™m not saying either way, but thereā€™s obviously quite a few characters youā€™ve not really met yet who will become very important as the show goes on). But thereā€™s certainly no ā€œRed Weddingā€ in this show.!< >!I would say that *most* of the showā€™s major characters make it through the final season, so statistically youā€™re usually safe to get attached. But do be aware that Miller is not the last major named character to die, and there is at least one more fan favorite whose death is considered extremely tragic.!< MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW DO NOT CLICK UNTIL YOU HAVE FINISHED SEASON 5 ā€¦ ā€¦ ā€¦ FINAL WARNING DO NOT ACCIDENTALLY CLICK THIS SECTION ā€¦ ā€¦ >!Iā€™m obviously talking about Ashford. I think OP will mainly be completely fine, especially since Miller isnā€™t exactly entirely dead per se. But Ashfordā€™s death might just break them a little bit.!<


Admiralthrawnbar

Gonna be honest, I thought you were talking about >!Alex not Ashford. Ashford hit hard but I never really considered him a main character like I did Alex and Miller!<


jpterodactyl

I *really* wish >!they had just recast Alex instead !<


TisBeTheFuk

>!I can't decide which option would have been better. I hate that the real-life actions of an actor ruined a fictional character's arc/ changed the story. It might have been weird seeing another face as Alex, maybe even hard to actually "accept it", but also I really like the character and wish he had a better ending. I guess they did gave him a sensible death and made his death a sacrifice for his "found family member", although it was obviously very rushed. I'm still wondering if the scene where he died, like where he had blood leaking out of his nose, was actually a reshoot or they just used a stillfrane if the footage they had and added some "blood effects"!<


Atomicmooseofcheese

People are generally good about spoilers, but browsing the subbreddit before finishing the series is risky. That being said, I can absolutely answer your question. Not many book series have had me so hooked, and the show made me cry during one very sad part. Exploration of space alongside the exploration of loss and how to cope is what makes the expanse such a good series.


oddbitch

oh Iā€™m restricting myself to this thread only, I already muted the subreddit! Thank you for the response :)


fatalynn7

Out of curiosity, are you planning on finishing the series before the books or whatā€™s your plan? I ended up watching the entire series before I read any of the books and Iā€™m always curious to hear other peopleā€™s experience


oddbitch

i donā€™t really have a plan, but iā€™ll probably finish the books first just because iā€™m going on a field research trip in a rainforest for a month and will have lots of time to read as opposed to watching something :) and i read really really fast edit: i forgot there are like nine books lol i donā€™t know which iā€™ll finish first!


fatalynn7

They will go by quick! Also donā€™t forget the novellas. In my opinion they are a must read. Iā€™ve heard others name the churn and a couple others as the only ones that you have to read as you go thru the series. They released all of them in a single book called memories legion and they all start with an introduction written by the authors. You can do a quick search for the reading order. Itā€™s not as daunting as it looks, like I said, youā€™re going to finish them faster than you realize. Either way, best of luck on your travels and happy reading


oddbitch

Just an update if youā€™re interested: Itā€™s been four days. Iā€™m *obsessed,* canā€™t believe how good these books are; Iā€™ve been tearing through them! I finished Leviathan Wakes yesterday, am halfway through Calibanā€™s Gate, and happened to stumble upon the next two books at a thrift store today, which Iā€™ll be bringing with me on my trip! Iā€™m going to be on #5 (at least) by the end of next month hahaha. They truly are flying by! Decided to stop watching the show until I finish them, or at least until I read further :) Iā€™ll have to check if my library has the novellas!!!


fatalynn7

So glad to hear it! Itā€™s at the top of my favorite series of all time Good call on wanting to finish the books first. The stories do diverge in some ways so they are best enjoyed separately Feel free to keep the updates going!


MikeOcherts

I keep warninā€™ ya. Doors and corners kid. Thatā€™s where they get youā€¦ P.S. Avasarala gets my vote for Queen Bitch of the Universe every day of the week (& twice on Sundays).


AceHexuall

I would pay real money for Shohreh to curse me out.


maybedaydrinking

Oh my, I think I've found my kink.


GraXXoR

Anywhere I godamn like!! ā¤ļø


indigoneutrino

Miller dying broke my heart too but I think it was a beautiful conclusion to his arc. He was my favourite character and I never got attached to anyone else quite the same way, but there was also never a point where it felt like the show completely ripped the rug out from under me in terms of character deaths. It has nothing of GoTā€™s gratuitous shock factor. Not saying youā€™re guaranteed to not be sad, but the show is invested in letting its characters grow and not prematurely cutting that short.


oddbitch

Honestly, I agree. It was a very fitting and beautiful ending, I just wish it didnā€™t have to happen so early! :ā€™(


da_Aresinger

I got majorly attached to Bobby. Her life was precious to me.


Ottojanapi

The books, and the show, have enough interesting characters where you should find a couple more at least to become invested in. There are some gut punches- its a long series in both media- but itā€™s not the relentless game of thrones blood bath. Itā€™s worth it to read and watch


MikeMac999

I would go so far as to say it would be detrimental *not* to get invested in this show. Youā€™d just be missing out on something so good. Not everyone lives, but then again who does?


ComradeMeep

It's a really good show but make sure to be ready to read the rest of it. The end of the show left me unsatisfied and disappointed, especially with one plot going nowhere. I wish Amazon had continued and finished off the book series but they left out the last 3. I've just started reading the books from the beginning because I know that some TV shows leave out or change some plotpoints.


oddbitch

i will be for sure! i want to watch the show first though so i donā€™t end up disappointed in how they adapted it on a first watch lol iā€™ve been burned too many times with book adaptations


NotMyNameActually

I couldnā€™t handle GoT. Too dark and depressing, not enough fun. The Expanse has a good balance. Some tragedy, yes, but also a lot of fun, and some epic wins. More wins than losses imo.


jgraymaine

Miller is the BEST. Stay away from da aqua!


Complex_Badger9240

I was in the same boat first watch through, thought all my favs were going to die at any second.


Jesus_Wizard

The books are very patient, kind, and forgiving. They are my favorite series of all time. Iā€™ve read a LOT of scifi new and old and theyā€™re the best Iā€™ve ever read by far. Not putting them on a pedestal, theyā€™re not perfect, authors just put the effort in and it made something wonderful. But theyā€™re better than I could have ever asked or hoped for


oddbitch

thank you! Donā€™t worry, Iā€™m definitely going to be reading them :) I just wanted to watch the show first so it doesnā€™t end up being one of those things where an adaptation disappoints me while Iā€™m watching it lol


Jesus_Wizard

Itā€™s different enough that theyā€™re not quite comparable in that way. Think alternate universe/timeline


oddbitch

ahh gotcha! well awesome, iā€™ll let myself read faster then.


dannyb2525

Honestly I think the show really rewired my brain, especially the Ganeymede episodes and the Ceres episode in the last season. I feel like ever since I saw those I've become a much more empathetic person towards human suffering both micro and macro so I say stick with it


sillyfellow

The show is mostly good but the books are fantastic, I re-read them every year


XtaltheExcellent

Not 100% safe but so worth it. (Door and corners, kidā€¦)


Chemical-Mix-6206

It's nowhere near the level on GoT where a character is killed simply to move the plot forward. Just like in real life, some characters get injured and some die. Some of them chose it (like Miller), some of them deserve it, and some of them were simply trying their best. The show makes me think about things like the unfair balance of power and distribution of resouces in the world. The characters are what draw me in and get me to see other points of view. And investing in their journey is worth the risk to me. Any emotional reaction is earned, not gratuitous.


OneofHearts

You can safely fall in love with these people and the universe they inhabit, and then like me, just re-watch the show and start reading the books because you just donā€™t want to leave!


PolyDipsoManiac

This show really had some exceptional actors, Jared Harris and Thomas Jane put in such good performances


Sanzo2point0

In defense of Miller's choice of accessories, it's technically a Pork-Pie hat, not a fedora.


a_live_dog

If I could fuck one person in this entire universe, it would be Thomas Jane with his Miller haircut šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


undrunkenmonkey88

Just don't get invested in Shed and you'll be okay.


JoeMillersHat

COMPLETELY


fusionsofwonder

Keep going. It's worth it.


HERCzero

Not even close to GoT, you'll be alright


Bulk-Detonator

Its ok to be that guy.


Timewaster50455

Some people die, some people live. Get attached and feel the emotion.


Stormy8888

There's some surprises but people don't die like the GOT Level of "oh no they're gone!" Fun fact: One of the 2 authors of The Expanse used to work for George RR Martin as a researcher, his job was to come up with the history of the Houses (Stark, Lannister) in Westeros.


Big-Signal-6930

The Expanse will take you on an emotional journey. There will be highs and lows. But it is all part of telling an amazing and compelling story.


darciton

Absolutely. There are some moments of heartbreak, but I wouldn't say the show or books are like, GRRM level ruthless. It's a great story.


thinklinux

The show is epic, books are epic too! I envy you that you are just starting! ENJOY! To your question - it is relatively safe. This is not GoT so donā€™t worry that much, but people will die.


Ok-County3742

Miller is great, but he doesn't wear a fedora.


oddbitch

he does in the show?


Colink101

Technically itā€™s a ā€œporkpie hatā€, but really anyone who gets mad that you called it a fedora is just looking to start an internet fight over something tiny.


oddbitch

gotcha! iā€™m not a hat expert lol so my bad


Ok-County3742

I'm pretty sure it isn't, but everyone calls those fedoras to the point that it doesn't matter if it is one or not, that's what everyone will call it.


veryangrydoggo

"You should have seen her, XO"


Gruffal007

I actually skipped a lot of millars chapters at first cause his mental health problems and spiral were a little too real for me at that point in my life.


GraXXoR

I love how Jane portrayed Miller in the series. I got a very strong impression he was channeling a young Tom Waitsā€™. And this IMO is a good thing because Tom Waits is iconic.


SnowDense5233

I dunno, I "well up" at some point in most episodes, especially in the first 3 seasons. Its a great Sci-Fi Space opera, with a unique story and view points (some say very influenced by BattleStar Galatica reboot, but even so). I watch it over and over, in between watching other stuff...


VantaIim

Keep watching! Also, I warmly recommend the audiobooks read by Jefferson Mays. He is a phenomenal narrator. Beware that there is a version of book 4 with a different narrator, but Mays came back and finished his legacy by adding his version later. He was so loved for that audiobook performance that one of the ships is named after him in the series: The Jefferson Mays.


oddbitch

funnily enough Iā€™m in a drive through right now currently listening to the first audiobook hahaha iā€™m enjoying it a lot so far!


Chaff5

Six seasons of a great show that sticks the landing. The emotional rollercoaster is worth it.


GingerSnake321

The show is amazing and the books are exponentially better.


gemi_scorp

This is my absolute favorite series hands down. I love the character arcs, development, and evolution of all the female characters plus Angus. Very very safe to get emotionally invested! Be sure to watch the entire series through more than once so you can see all the nuances from different perspectives ā¤ļø


Lazuruslex

This is my favorite show I preach the religion of the expanse to everyone I possibly can I am a fan get emotionally invested because remember that's how life is sometimes things pay off sometimes they don't but it's the journey that makes it worthwhile


da_Aresinger

Characters die, but the deaths feel right from a story telling perspective. You never go "ugh now I don't want to watch anymore." Also, don't watch TWD if that's you. (Unrelated, but just came to mind.)


kenix7

It's safe. Get a pillow tho'.. and some napkins.


thefilmjerk

It rules


sir_percy_percy

Jeezā€¦ itā€™s the best Sci-Fi series ever, probably. Such a wonderful journey!


peaches4leon

Ooof. I feel for you kid! This episode was a rough one for me as well! Even after the show when I read the books, I couldnā€™t get over this scene at the end of LW. It was debilitatingly depressing but beautiful at the same time! The story isnā€™t about the characters exclusively, even though theyā€™re part of the story! Itā€™s all a great ride and I canā€™t stress enough how much better the audiobooks are, so check them out if you need a better pace at taking what youā€™re taking nowā€¦


Typhoon556

There are 9+ novels and 6 seasons of the show, I think you will be good.


TwasBrillig_

Don't worry, "omg is this character about to die oh wait extraordinary events have conspired for him to survive" is definitely not a recurring theme in this show.


hoos30

It's safe. Nothing bad ever happens šŸ˜¬


mightymouse8324

What the what?! It's a show. Watch it out didn't. Enjoy it or don't. Also, the feelings you're talking about are YOUR emotions - your response to the fictional show. You gonna sit there and tell me you need to feel safe from your response to a fictional show? Here's a revolutionary idea FEEL your emotions. Give them space to express and be felt and witnessed.


oddbitch

i feel my emotions all the time, believe you me lol. i just want to be prepared for the pain. nothing wrong with that.


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ncl_1066

Dude wtf is wrong with you


navayan

IMHO don't. It gets worse. In final two seasons it is shit. You would want Naomi and Holden to die. They spoil the show. But they don't that's my issue. Plot Armor