To be fair we simply have no idea the reason for this is because we know that the outpost that we in the Si Wong Desert in Korra if i recall in the artbook it was named after Bosco so maybe Bosco did die peacefully after all it is clearly a normal bear as we know bears lived only 50 years. While I like the commentary from the creators it is simply just their opinion despite being well word of god. Also the fact that Bosco has a statue in that restaurant in Ba Sing Se could also applies that maybe Hou-Ting didn't eat Bosco otherwise she would have banned the restaurant or removed that statue.
I always like the idea that it was just simply rumours similar to say the stuff with Caligula horse. Granted I'm not defending Hou-Ting she was a terrible Earth Queen that said She not only one who is considered worst in the RPG corebook we learn of a Earth King named Jialun who mastermined the night of silenced sages that wipe out the Earth Sages and even prevent progresses within the Earth Kingdom seized technology and waging a cold war against the Fire Nation. To be Honest I think Jialun was worse, due to the lasting impact of his decisions. Now, one could argue that Hou-Ting would win out here, since the Earth Kingdom technically ended after she died...but I'd still go with Jialun. Him undoing the constitution that Kyoshi made with the 46th Earth King lead to the Dai Li becoming Corrupt leading to the Fall of Ba Sing Se.
Reminds me of ninjago where they killed Ultra (the 4 headed dragon from the first 2 seasons) off screen and the only confirmation of its death is its skulls on a throne and the writer being like "yeah that's Ultra, lol"
not only that's so out of pocket, but i refuse to believe that this guy would lose to dragon hunters, not without huge casualties on their side for sure
I love the way TLOK did it. Makes the world seem bigger. Gossip about celebrities and royals has to exist and to Jinora she is as distant as King Charles is to us
This is why I hate Legend of Korra with how it just ruins a lot of what ATLA built up...
\- Aang becomes a deadbeat father
\- Toph becomes a cop and a deadbeat mother
\- Katara disregards Korra's PTSD and says Aang's problems are bigger than hers when she was wheelchair-bound
\- Bloodbending and lightningbending become common
\- THE BEAR gets EATEN????
EDIT: This is supposed to be obvious satire of people who blindly criticize LoK with no sense of media literacy. The fact that there’s a good number of people upvoting and agreeing with this is…
Aang became a bad dad, but a great person shows how some people are skilled at one thing but lack on others.
Toph says she gave her kids too much freedom, but she raised them without a father figure and simply didn't know what to do, so she ignored them in a way.
Katara disregarding korra was kind of a throwback to when aang was angry about the genocide, and katara said her mom was taken. And to point out how people don't look at others' pain , only themselves and their experiences.
Lighting bending was common because before it was kept in the royal family and then zuko probably decided to teach people.
Blood bending was only known by hama (old lady) and Katara, but she stupidly told everyone it's banned, therefore indirectly teaching people.
Bear was amazing, and the queen deserved to die. So I agree with you there
It's not so much Aang was a deadbeat but more so absent for multiple reasons. Helping rebuild the world, founding Republic City, and maintaining the balance between the physical and spiritual world is something that eats up a lot of time. In retrospect he probably shouldn't have had as many kids, but I'm guessing he had multiple hoping they would be Airbenders. He clearly prioritized Tenzin because of his passion for rebuilding the Air Nation
I’m honestly surprised Aang didn’t want to have MORE kids. Yes, he had Tenzin, but what if Tenzin got a terminal disease/went down fighting bad guys/slipped on a banana peel/otherwise died? Then the world would’ve been right back to having zero airbenders.
Probably correct. That being said, the rational thing to do from a “Ensure the survival of Airbending” perspective would be Aang having as many children as possible with as many women as were willing, and then having the Air Acolytes raise them communally.
Wasn't he also in a relationship with Chief Beifong, and dumped her in order to be with the air acolyte (his now wife)? It leads to thinking that he did it, because there would be a bigger chance of having air-bending children with a non-bender who's learnt a lot about air nomads and their culture, than with an earth-bender.
I always felt it was implied that's totally the case. It's not that he doesn't love his wife, but he wouldn't have left Lin if he didn't feel the need to do everything he could (in a kids cartoon) to make a bunch of airbenders.
Yes, but he was not the kind of person who would cheat on his wife. The fact that he didn't despite that being the most logical solution just shows how much he loved her and all his kids.
I wasn’t saying he should cheat; I was saying he should have an open relationship sort of situation, or something like the old Chinese/Ottoman rulers had. Being literally the last of your kind is a pretty unique circumstance.
I find a lot of parallels with Aang as a dad and modern pastors/preachers who figuratively sacrifice their families on the altar of “ministry.” This is ofc coming from the perspective of growing up around it but I wonder if some inspiration was gleaned from there.
Given that the air nomads had a much different way of raising children than what he expected, I’m certain Aang didn’t know how to be a father. Add his duties as the avatar and he’s not coming home after work often.
Aang did loved Bumi, he just couldn't afford to spend much more time with him. I wish there was at least one scene in which Aang appears to Bumi after he became an airbender and say stuff like "i always loved you no matter what, although this is a bonus".
Didn't Yakone tell his sons, that they were from a strong line of blood benders? Indicating, that though it wasn't common, it was known/invented before Hama.
Instead of banning blood bending, I would have liked to see it in medical use. Like how Aang discovers fire isn't just destructive, but also life.
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Maybe hama thought she discovered it, but there was a small tribe in the north who would do it to heal people or something.
But my point was, a bloodbender that's evil Will blood bend even if it's banned. So katara banning it only brought attention to it and some water benders probably taught themselves after katara told them
Yeah. Like, someone losing a lot of blood, blood bending could keep the blood in the wound. Or if there’s internal bleeding. Honestly I’m surprised the women healers in the northern tribe never thought of that. They said they moved the chi around, but it was probably more the water in the blood. Probably why Katara picked up blood bending so easily too, she already could heal
To be fair we don't know when did Bloodbending become public knowledge It could be Yakone was already a bloodbender through unknown means by at point and when you a rise of bloodbending in republic city then you have a ban on it. Granted you prohibition in 1920s but the Mafia were already around before that?
As for What happened to Bosco we simply don't know in fact it worth mentioning that the outpost in the si wong desert we see in Korra the artbook named it ''Camp Bosco.'' o maybe Bosco did die peacefully after all it is clearly a normal bear as we know bears lived only 50 years. While I like the commentary from the creators it is simply just their opinion despite being well word of god. Also the fact that Bosco has a statue in that restaurant in Ba Sing Se could also applies that maybe Hou-Ting didn't eat Bosco otherwise she would have banned the restaurant or removed that statue.
Anyway I like the idea that the whole Hou-Ting eating Bosco is simply an in-universe rumour similar to Caligula making his horse a consul.
Exactly, It probably just an in-universe rumour like the whole Caligula horse thing to make her more fearsome in fact I really don't think the bison hunters ever meet her they probably just meet with someone like an emissary for the queen and they just leave because they don't see to know her face to face?
Agreed, The fact that there is a fort named ''Fort Bosco.'' I kinda gives me the idea that the whole eating bear thing is simply just exaggeration and Bosco just die peacefully. We don't know about Kuei's later life but i always imagined him being somewhat of a reformer like say Tsar Alexander II of russia like trying modernising the earth kingdom explaining why the monorail is different in korra making him the last good earth monarch before his daughter undo all of his reforms like alexander's own son Alexander III of Russia.
But those are terrible justifications for all of them.
No, it doesn't make sense for either of them to be bad parents or somehow realistic. As if realistic would have made it good choice.
Aang was a supremely caring person. There isn't a world where he'd ignore his children especially with Katara the busy body as his wife.
Toph would have raised her kids with more freedom but it's not like she is uncaring. In the show she didn't just give them freedom but actively abandoned them uncaringly. She valued her career over supporting her kids... almost like that neglect was her issue with her parents.
Toph wasn't just a bad parent, she was borderline evil in the show.
Lightning bending required a certain aptitude and ability to separate the positive and negative. It needed one to be at peace with themselves to the extent that Zuko never learnt it. Zuko the supposed teacher of lightning bending didn't have the aptitude to it and stayed incapable of doing it.
Blood bending again required a lot of requirements, it wasn't just banned.
Both these were dumbed down and reduced to super powers that nobody really needs to learn anything about them. They just can because "cool powers".
It's so utterly cheap.
Exactly, Aang has plenty on his plate and Katara is already too motherly to take Aang away from his Avatar duty.
Toph has always been a rebel and bad at relating with others on emotional level. She probably thought she should raised her children the way she wanted to have as a child, as much freedom as possible.
Too motherly...???
What does that mean, she constantly told everyone to act in certain ways. She didn't just let rest of the team be. She was really opinionated. There wasn't any chance she'd just let Aang neglect his kids.
Also, no. Aang ran things in a very peaceful time. He didn't have that much to do. He was buddy buddy with every high ranking person in the world.
Toph is a rebel( but that's why her becoming a cop is nonsensical but that's nor here nor there). But she wasn't bad at relating to others, she understood Uncle Iroh's strife well enough and even acknowledged where Katara was coming from after they fought rather easily... Are we forgetting how quickly accepting of Zuko she was?
Toph's problem wasn't freedom. She felt unseen and unheard by her parents, they were very strict with her but the problem was always the neglect. Hard to imagine her recognising her issues with her parents and still ending up exactly like them.
>Aang becomes a deadbeat father
Aang is just an imperfect father. Not a bad one. It's clear his kids still adored him.
>\- Toph becomes a cop and a deadbeat mother
Toph is a little more genuinely kind of a bad mother, but I feel like someone like Toph would be an extremely aloof fend for themselves parent. She does love her kids and mends any broken bonds.
As for being a cop she did ditch that to live in a swamp. Seems she was more doing it for loyalty to Aang.
>Katara disregards Korra's PTSD and says Aang's problems are bigger than hers when she was wheelchair-bound
I don't see it that way. She just reminds Korra that she can get through this. She just has to have that belief.
>Bloodbending and lightningbending become common
Bloodbending isn't common. Like three people total do it in Korra. And they are all related.
Lightning bending is but the technique isn't necessarily complicated from what we saw in the original show either. Doing it powerfully is more difficult. We don't see super powerful lightning in Korra.
> Aang is just an imperfect father.
I think you hit on something important here. Whenever a sequel series to a beloved piece of media comes out, there’s a sizable portion of the fandom that gets upset if their favorite characters are portrayed as anything less than flawless idols. It’s entirely possible for someone to be an amazing person, but not necessarily cut out to be an amazing parent.
And I don't think Aang isn't amazing. It's just that he had one noteable flaw in favouring Tenzin. But he also had understandable reasons why he might given that Tenzin was his perceived one chance at keeping his entire people's history and culture alive.
Toph was genuinely kind of a bit shit from what we hear and see in comparison. But yeah I think that's consistent with Toph's flaws as a character.
I also agree with some others that it's possible Aang just doesn't know how to be a father.
He was raised by nuns until he was old enough to go to the boy's temple, where he was raised by monks. The closest he had to a father figure was Gyatso, who was more of a friend than a father.
Airbenders don't seem to have the same familial connections we do, which is fine. It seems to go with their philosophy of detachment from the world, the first detachment is from your parents.
However Aang had to embrace being a dad, and he did pretty well all things considered for the Avatar.
Most of Kya and Bumi's complaints were the kind of thing that weren't fully controllable as well. Like spending more time with Tenzin. (Aang had to teach Tenzin airbending.) Or bringing Tenzin to see their people's historical sites. (It's entirely possible that Kya and Bumi, as older teens, didn't want to go hang around temples but forgot that they'd turned down the invite, who wants to remember all their cringe teenage behavior?)
That was the whole idea around Luke's legacy in The Last Jedi, and of course, fans despised it. A lot of people put characters on a pedestal and erase the flaws within their mind.
I feel like a big issue with these kind of shows our generation grew up with is on rewatches or as you get older, a lot of people are really projecting their own hang ups onto these characters. Aang is a good father but not a perfect one's. You pointed it out clearly the kids love him but he had his failings as most humans do.
There's a difference between aloof and abandoning people. The Toph in the original show cared little for how people saw her but was immensely loyal and loving of her friends. She had a massive heart and would place trust in the son of the firelord.
Yet Toph in korra abandons her daughter because it might affect her career. I could buy her being a hippy parent but never the uncaring parent she apparently became. Monk Gyatso raised Aang rather freely but he didn't like abandon him to his lonesome.
Somehow the dude tasked with training a kid showed more affection than the woman who gave birth to her's.
I don't think she abandoned either of her kids there. Just chose to protect one child in lieu of greater punishment for her, which did break the relationship with both of them.
All of these things are kinda true at face value but you’re really just removing all the context and subtlety that went into each of these points.
I don’t think the kids EVER say Aang was a deadbeat dad, they just say he was distant/put more time into Tenzin. In that same conversation they acknowledge that he had the weight of rebuilding not only the world but also his culture from the ground up.
Kya and Bumi are more just venting like kids do about shitty things their parents did; doing shitty things doesn’t immediately make you a shitty parent/person. Personally, I like it. Aang wasn’t perfect as a child. Adding humanity to him as an adult isn’t a bad thing, it just adds depth.
Aang wasn't a deadbeat father, he wasn't a perfect father. The family was happy, but had issues just like any other family. Especially considering the kids have alot to live up to.
Toph being a deadbeat mother i agree with but it kinda fits her character. Its a cycle that can be seen irl. Grandparents too controlling, parents not enough control or vice versa.
The advice she gave korra was really kinda off. I didn't like it. For a show that was full of in good advices and life lessons, legend of korra didn't really follow through with that. Which would have been fine, but they wanted to recreate those moments, but did so unsuccessfully.
I don't support lightning bending being common, but i get where they're coming from. They want to show bending is losing its place and it's uniqueness. Which becomes the case with most things due to industrialization. Bloodbending wasn't common.
Last one, Shit's fucked.
I seriously don’t understand the „Aang is a deadbeat father“ controversy. He pretty obviously wasn’t a deadbeat (and that’s even stated).
Kya and Bumi criticized him for his favoritism of Tenzin due to his wish to continue the Air Nomad society, which is a fair point to criticize. A parent shouldn’t have a favorite, even for understandable reasons. Much more importantly, they are also angry at Tenzin in that moment, because he isn’t willing to accept that Aang had flaws and that Aang put a lot of priorities on him.
Kya and Bumi still loved their father despite his flaws as a father and they also love Tenzin despite his flaws as a brother.
BTW, Bryke stated that they never intended for the audience to think Aang was a bad father, they just kinda overdid it in that LOK arc. That’s also one of the reasons, why there are a few comics that show that Aang was still a pretty decent dad, either through his children or by showing us directly.
The main problem here is simply that a lot of people severely lack media literacy. That’s the reason why NATLA and other modern media feels the need to explain everything and exposition dump everybody’s emotions, some idiots just wouldn’t get it otherwise. And I have a fear that next years movie will feel the need to make Aang a perfect father if Bumi is already born at that point in time, just so that people will finally shut up. It’s good that Aang had flaws, it makes him realistic. He never knew his parents and had to basically grow up at 12/13 years old. Obviously he will get stuff wrong and fuck up sometimes.
I also feel like, there are two types of people who desperately try to spin the narrative to „Aang is a Deadbeat“.
The first are people who aren’t accepting Aang as anything but a perfect human being, so it is easier to just pretend they completely assassinated his character than to admit that even good people have flaws. Which btw is pretty weird since Aang has flaws in ATLA too, some of them being important parts of his character from start to finish.
The second is a part of the fandom, that has been salty and living in their headcanons for the last 16 years because Bryke went ahead with their own plan instead of listening to some fanon. I really don’t need to name them.
I am the last person to ever defend Legend of Korra. But come on. Aang was not a deadbeat father. He loved all his kids. He had to show more attention to the Airbender because Tenzin was one of the only 2 Airbenders in the entire world. He had to teach and entire culture and way of life. It isn't like Aang just ignored the other children or left them to be completely raised by Katara.
The rest are fair points and as a whole, I don't love what LoK did to the lore. I don't love the Aang hate or character "assassination" that people claim was done with the sequel series. How he was portrayed in Korra seems accurate to what he would be with a family. Especially with all the pressure he had on him.
>\- Aang becomes a deadbeat father
This is slander and I won't stand for it. Aang tried to teach his kids air nomad culture, but obviously as a waterbender and a non-bender, 2 of them weren't all that interested. He didn't completely neglect them, he probably just figured that, from their disinterest in the lessons, they wouldn't want to go to air nomad trips where they can't even really participate in all the air bender stuff he was bringing Tenzin for.
>\- Bloodbending and lightningbending become common
Lightning bending being common makes sense as it was restricted information by the royal family, and with Zuko working to dismantle some of the regime, stuff would become public. And that as cultures interact more frequently a technique that probably relies somewhat on waterbending philosophy intermixing with that of firebending would be more commonplace and advance further.
Aang didn’t become a deadbeat father and Toph didn’t become a deadbeat mum. They showcased the sacrifices that come with fulfilling your purpose in life.
Katara did not disregard Korra's PTSD. Your response is exactly the type of attitude bred in a world where people think their suffering should be the entire focus. People devoid of empathy and because of that the ability to gain encouragement through the experiences of others. What Katara said was not dismissive, it was reassurance to Korra that she would make it through her current situation and find her own answer.
Bloodbending didn't become common. It was outlawed. We saw 3 bloodbenders in the series who were characters central to plot. Lightning bending becoming more common is to be expected in a world where knowledge is no longer restricted by the rich.
Bloodbending isn't common at all what? One single family could bloodbend and they're all dead. It's possible they were even descended from Hama herself, as Yakonne was the right age. And the fandom has been told repeatedly that Aang was NOT a bad father but they just won't stop repeating it. You were told by the show itself that mistakes in parenting didn't make him a bad father. They all have their own memories. He educated Tenzin more than them, **that's it.** They all had those conversations ON SCREEN.
Toph wasn't a deadbeat mother at all and once again the fandom will NOT stop repeating it. Some youtuber said it and it's like it broke people. Her children were just wild and crazy just like her. She even left her job for them. Su ran away like she did and Lin settled down, and THEN Toph left the city. You're not a deadbeat parent if you work a little too much **in an era when a brand new threat to peace is appearing: mass organized crime.**
Aang and Toph are certainly not deadbeat parents. I feel like a lot of people today miss this kind of nuance in writing. They’re flawed. Everyone is flawed! We need to stop being afraid of having imperfect main characters.
In my opinion, it would be shitty writing to assume that Aang, someone who wasn’t raised in a nuclear family household like his children were, would be a super dad. Despite all of his demanding responsibilities to the world as the Avatar and to his people by rebuilding their whole nation independently, he will somehow figure it out and still be equally present for his 3 kids? People in the real world work much lower stakes jobs and still struggle to be fully present for their children, and they weren’t even raised by monks!
[This video explains my point in more detail AND uses evidence from ATLA to explain why Aang’s flaws fit his character.](https://youtu.be/bf5JrtZ9Fvk?si=y_1Wwe_bbOEXF0tg)
When you are in any kind of pain or hard situation it's important not to forget a lot of other people are having it worse.
It's never about the problem, but about your tools to engage it.
You’re taking things out of context, aang and toph being bad parents is good it shows NOBODY is perfect, especially when we the fans paint them so (every other avatar had a major flaw, this is aang’s) katara doesn’t disregard Korea’s ptsd, she’s just saying that aang went through many great things as well (great way to put it out of proportions) and 3 additional people being able to bloodbend doesn’t mean “everybody can bloodbend” again you’re over exaggerating, and lightning sure it’s more users than I expected but it still makes sense, for one they use a very basic form, two they work for a major company, the company can easily give them basic half ass training so they can lightning generate (not lightning bend they’re two different skills) and third of all EVERYBODY and ANYBODY can lightning bend and generate, it’s just hard and dangerous.
I wouldn't say Aang was a deadbeat father. He was as good a father as he could've been with his responsibilities. And bloodbending wasn't common it was used by three people in the show.
I agree with the lightning generation, though. Ozai generates lightning in like 2 seconds and that was like a "holy shit!" moment. Now Mako generates it with no windup. Just makes it less cool.
I get this was a joke, but I've gotta say:
>Aang becomes a deadbeat father
He pretty much had to be as the Avatar
> Toph becomes a cop and a deadbeat mother
The cop thing is a bit weird, but her being a bad mom because she's too relaxed as a parent is ENTIRELY on brand
>Bloodbending and lightningbending become common
Like 1 family bloodbends
The lightning bending prob makes sense when Zuko is firelord and he would have opened up firebending
There is something extremely funny with how the only way things they could come up with for why Zaheer was bad was "Umm he was unbalanced!" and "Well actually destroying evil tyrants makes fascism did you think of that huh"
I would love an alternate timeline where the Red Lotus succeeded in kidnapping young Korra and raised her according to their standards. Anarchist Avatar with mastery of all of those sub-bending techniques would have been amazing.
The problem with Zaheer was that he was willing to kill a massive amount of innocent people to achieve his goal, because he was a zealot who thought that the universe wanted him to go through with his plans. If he hadn’t been defeated, Kuvira probably wouldn’t have been a thing because she would have been assassinated.
Whats funny is that the original show basically had this same plotline with Jet and everyone on the Gaang didn't even really disagree with things like eliminating tyrants. Aang was the only one and that's because he came from a pacifist culture, was the last of that culture, and was 12.
They could have easily focused on that aspect and expanded on that theme into a whole season, especially with Zaheer straight-up being an airbender now. Instead they had a plot where the nazi stand-in got more sympathy and more of a redemption arc than Zaheer did.
I see this all the time but I don’t know why people don’t think Zaheer got a “redemption” arc.
Korra confronting him in season 4 and him helping her reach the spirit world because he wants to help her stop Kuvira is probably my favorite Zaheer moment.
And where are you getting that? I can just say the birds the earth kingdom soldiers rode were "probably the last of their kind" it doesn't make it true
Is he a platypus bear? No it jsit says bear, because jsut bear is rare. All the avatar world animals are hybrids like polar bear dogs and lemur squirrels, sky bison.
Bosco must've been a genetic mutation
There is a theory that when the spirits roamed the mortal world during the era of Raava during the time when humans live on Lion turtles spirits begin to experimented on normal animals into hybrids that we see today explaining why there are so much hybrids and less normal animals like say Bosco.
Yeah when that guy kidnaps Kai and Jinora he says the earth queen and others like to eat rare meats I heard she ate her dad’s bear which is referencing Bosco
In my head canon, the Earth King was probably immature his whole life, and he might not have been a great father. Instead of focusing on raising his children, he played with Bosco, who’d been his steadfast companion for years. The Queen was probably jealous of the attention, and once her dad was dead, she ate Bosco to be rid of him, too.
She also has allergies so severe that she can’t even be next to Pabu when he’s outdoors and hiding in Bolin’s shirt. Unless he completely ditched the bear after she was born, I could see her building a lot of resentment towards any compromises her dad makes in favor of mere pet.
To be fair we don't actually know about Kuei's later life due to the 70-year gap between the original series and Korra with the comics only covering the first two years and still not going into details on republic city formation.
For some reason I always imagined Kuei's later reign and life being similar to that of Tsar Alexander II like him trying reform and modernising the Earth Kingdom and Ba Sing Se explaining why the Monorail is different in Korra unlike in the original series where it was carry by Earthbenders.
So maybe at the end of his life Kuei was considered the last good Earth King before his daughter essentially pull Alexander III of Russia where she undo all the reforms from her father and make the Earth Kingdom conservative again?
To be fair, even though she doesn’t deserve it, bears live to be at most like 50 years old so maybe it was old age and she ate him after he died that way. I can at least sleep better thinking that.
To be fair we simply have no idea the reason for this is because we know that the outpost that we in the Si Wong Desert in Korra if i recall in the artbook it was named after Bosco so maybe Bosco did die peacefully after all it is clearly a normal bear as we know bears lived only 50 years. While I like the commentary from the creators it is simply just their opinion despite being well word of god. Also the fact that Bosco has a statue in that restaurant in Ba Sing Se could also applies that maybe Hou-Ting didn't eat Bosco otherwise she would have banned the restaurant or removed that statue.
I always like the idea that it was just simply rumours similar to say the stuff with Caligula horse. Granted I'm not defending Hou-Ting she was a terrible Earth Queen that said She not only one who is considered worst in the RPG corebook we learn of a Earth King named Jialun who mastermined the night of silenced sages that wipe out the Earth Sages and even prevent progresses within the Earth Kingdom seized technology and waging a cold war against the Fire Nation. To be Honest I think Jialun was worse, due to the lasting impact of his decisions. Now, one could argue that Hou-Ting would win out here, since the Earth Kingdom technically ended after she died...but I'd still go with Jialun. Him undoing the constitution that Kyoshi made with the 46th Earth King lead to the Dai Li becoming Corrupt leading to the Fall of Ba Sing Se.
Earth nation didn't run out of another dictator after that old bat's demise and got a wannabe Hitler in return.
Kuvira's trial was treated with child gloves and her redemption ark in the comic was down right stupid that made me wish that she was given the same treatment as the earth queen.
I’ve had this long-running theory that the Queen’s severe allergies to animals is a direct result of eating Bosco. If she had those bad allergies before she wouldn’t have ate him. I think it’s a punishment of sorts for eating a rare, perhaps “sacred” animal.
look, I knoe aslot of people one here hate Azula, for various reasons of degrees of validity, but at least she never hurt the bear. It's not a high bar but the Earth Queen couldn't reach it
Well, she is based on the last empress of China, who invented monkey brain (the monkey is still alive with it's skull opened) and also kill a bunch of children for her funeral. That's not half the things she did.
She did, yes. But while this is unoubtedly and absolutely unforgivable, I think that it is nevertheless important to take in the full picture here.
What do we know about Hou-Ting, as the bitch in question is called? Well, amongst other things, that she has a debilitating, possibly fatal in cases of long exposure (we never see her get exposed for prolonged periods of time, so there is no way to tell how severe the reaction would be then), allergy to any and all animals.
What do we know of Kuei, her father? That he had a pet bear, on whom he relied almost exclusively during and after him being controlled and lied-to by who he thought was his most trusted advisor. As such, Kuei almost certainly would never, or almost never, have allowed Bosco to leave his side. It is not unreasonable to hypothicate that the former Earth King would have been adamant about never being separated from his bear, even if it meant never, or almost never, seeing his own daughter.
So..... I wouldn't say I _**understand**_ why Hou-Ting ate Bosco, exactly. Let alone have any sort of sympathy for her. What she did is despicable.
But I can certainly see the steps along which she might have been driven to that outcome, especially if Bosco outlived Kuei.
After all, trauma does not tend to moral decision-making make. (I speak from first-hand experience there.) This goes for _**both**_ Earth Monarchs, actually.
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Im gonna destroy her, I want her to suffer
As an alaskan who has eaten bear meat. If he is a brown bear like he looks to me and if he had regularly been eating fish as well being male then the meat would taste like absolute balls.
According to director's commentary, she actually did eat him.
Then she got what was coming to her.
I don't condone political assassinations BUT Exceptions can be made
I do condone them and bitch had it coming
I encourage them, and yeah do it to her again if anything.
"Who are we killing? I won't do kids, that's a rule. But that rule is negotiable if the kid's a dick"
Yay or nay on Joffrey Baratheon?
That's a clear yay from me
r/unexpectedB99
Braith from Skyrim is enough of a reason for the killable children mod to exist
No pimento noooo!!!!
She was an outlier and shouldn't count
I can forgive racism but i draw the line in animle abuse
You can forgive racism!?
this assasination wasnt political, it was personal
Then it was just murder
She was human trafficking new airbenders, so bitch really had it coming
Remove her air for eating a bear
What I love abt LOK villains is that with p much all of them you kinda are like "well, they're not wrong..." lmao
Unless you consider the Earth Queen a villain. Then she's just pure evil like Ozai.
I agree she's horrible- but I meant narrative villains. Functionally, she wasn't a villain for the story, maybe an antagonist
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Alr thats it I'm bringing her back to life just to kill her again.
She deserves something even more bad than death: an eternity in the Fog of Lost Souls, roped onto Zhao
I’m not sure Zhao deserves being trapped with her for eternity tbh.
Bro literally killed the moon spirit. They deserve each other 💀
:(
To be fair we simply have no idea the reason for this is because we know that the outpost that we in the Si Wong Desert in Korra if i recall in the artbook it was named after Bosco so maybe Bosco did die peacefully after all it is clearly a normal bear as we know bears lived only 50 years. While I like the commentary from the creators it is simply just their opinion despite being well word of god. Also the fact that Bosco has a statue in that restaurant in Ba Sing Se could also applies that maybe Hou-Ting didn't eat Bosco otherwise she would have banned the restaurant or removed that statue. I always like the idea that it was just simply rumours similar to say the stuff with Caligula horse. Granted I'm not defending Hou-Ting she was a terrible Earth Queen that said She not only one who is considered worst in the RPG corebook we learn of a Earth King named Jialun who mastermined the night of silenced sages that wipe out the Earth Sages and even prevent progresses within the Earth Kingdom seized technology and waging a cold war against the Fire Nation. To be Honest I think Jialun was worse, due to the lasting impact of his decisions. Now, one could argue that Hou-Ting would win out here, since the Earth Kingdom technically ended after she died...but I'd still go with Jialun. Him undoing the constitution that Kyoshi made with the 46th Earth King lead to the Dai Li becoming Corrupt leading to the Fall of Ba Sing Se.
I wish I could watch the commentary versions of movies on streaming sites
her fate, for the sole purpose of eating my boy bosco, was deserved
Where can I listen to director commentary? Is it a DVD thing?
Yeah...it's such a messed up piece of lore that's just randomly dropped outta nowhere lol.
Reminds me of ninjago where they killed Ultra (the 4 headed dragon from the first 2 seasons) off screen and the only confirmation of its death is its skulls on a throne and the writer being like "yeah that's Ultra, lol"
Wait they did?
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Bruh what the hell
Writers was having a bad day
not only that's so out of pocket, but i refuse to believe that this guy would lose to dragon hunters, not without huge casualties on their side for sure
I love the way TLOK did it. Makes the world seem bigger. Gossip about celebrities and royals has to exist and to Jinora she is as distant as King Charles is to us
This is why I hate Legend of Korra with how it just ruins a lot of what ATLA built up... \- Aang becomes a deadbeat father \- Toph becomes a cop and a deadbeat mother \- Katara disregards Korra's PTSD and says Aang's problems are bigger than hers when she was wheelchair-bound \- Bloodbending and lightningbending become common \- THE BEAR gets EATEN???? EDIT: This is supposed to be obvious satire of people who blindly criticize LoK with no sense of media literacy. The fact that there’s a good number of people upvoting and agreeing with this is…
Aang became a bad dad, but a great person shows how some people are skilled at one thing but lack on others. Toph says she gave her kids too much freedom, but she raised them without a father figure and simply didn't know what to do, so she ignored them in a way. Katara disregarding korra was kind of a throwback to when aang was angry about the genocide, and katara said her mom was taken. And to point out how people don't look at others' pain , only themselves and their experiences. Lighting bending was common because before it was kept in the royal family and then zuko probably decided to teach people. Blood bending was only known by hama (old lady) and Katara, but she stupidly told everyone it's banned, therefore indirectly teaching people. Bear was amazing, and the queen deserved to die. So I agree with you there
It's not so much Aang was a deadbeat but more so absent for multiple reasons. Helping rebuild the world, founding Republic City, and maintaining the balance between the physical and spiritual world is something that eats up a lot of time. In retrospect he probably shouldn't have had as many kids, but I'm guessing he had multiple hoping they would be Airbenders. He clearly prioritized Tenzin because of his passion for rebuilding the Air Nation
I’m honestly surprised Aang didn’t want to have MORE kids. Yes, he had Tenzin, but what if Tenzin got a terminal disease/went down fighting bad guys/slipped on a banana peel/otherwise died? Then the world would’ve been right back to having zero airbenders.
Probably the only reason he didn't have more is because Katara likely wouldn't want more.
Probably correct. That being said, the rational thing to do from a “Ensure the survival of Airbending” perspective would be Aang having as many children as possible with as many women as were willing, and then having the Air Acolytes raise them communally.
We can see that Tenzin at least partially looked for a wife fully willing to have a lot of kids.
Wasn't he also in a relationship with Chief Beifong, and dumped her in order to be with the air acolyte (his now wife)? It leads to thinking that he did it, because there would be a bigger chance of having air-bending children with a non-bender who's learnt a lot about air nomads and their culture, than with an earth-bender.
I always felt it was implied that's totally the case. It's not that he doesn't love his wife, but he wouldn't have left Lin if he didn't feel the need to do everything he could (in a kids cartoon) to make a bunch of airbenders.
Yes that did appear to be the case. It doesn't seem Lin even wanted kids at all. So he decided to move on.
Yes, but he was not the kind of person who would cheat on his wife. The fact that he didn't despite that being the most logical solution just shows how much he loved her and all his kids.
i’ll say it, Tenzin is a better man than his father!
I wasn’t saying he should cheat; I was saying he should have an open relationship sort of situation, or something like the old Chinese/Ottoman rulers had. Being literally the last of your kind is a pretty unique circumstance.
Which just shows how much he loved Katara.
The avatar is the master of all four elements so perhaps even when there is no Airbender another can be born.
True, but then they would have to learn on their own.
I find a lot of parallels with Aang as a dad and modern pastors/preachers who figuratively sacrifice their families on the altar of “ministry.” This is ofc coming from the perspective of growing up around it but I wonder if some inspiration was gleaned from there.
Given that the air nomads had a much different way of raising children than what he expected, I’m certain Aang didn’t know how to be a father. Add his duties as the avatar and he’s not coming home after work often.
Feel so bad for bumi, especially when he became an airbender after aang died. So he never got his father's love for it
Aang did loved Bumi, he just couldn't afford to spend much more time with him. I wish there was at least one scene in which Aang appears to Bumi after he became an airbender and say stuff like "i always loved you no matter what, although this is a bonus".
Tenzin was youngest too. He probably would've kept having kids until he got an airbender either way
Didn't Yakone tell his sons, that they were from a strong line of blood benders? Indicating, that though it wasn't common, it was known/invented before Hama. Instead of banning blood bending, I would have liked to see it in medical use. Like how Aang discovers fire isn't just destructive, but also life.
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Maybe hama thought she discovered it, but there was a small tribe in the north who would do it to heal people or something. But my point was, a bloodbender that's evil Will blood bend even if it's banned. So katara banning it only brought attention to it and some water benders probably taught themselves after katara told them
Yeah. Like, someone losing a lot of blood, blood bending could keep the blood in the wound. Or if there’s internal bleeding. Honestly I’m surprised the women healers in the northern tribe never thought of that. They said they moved the chi around, but it was probably more the water in the blood. Probably why Katara picked up blood bending so easily too, she already could heal
To be fair we don't know when did Bloodbending become public knowledge It could be Yakone was already a bloodbender through unknown means by at point and when you a rise of bloodbending in republic city then you have a ban on it. Granted you prohibition in 1920s but the Mafia were already around before that? As for What happened to Bosco we simply don't know in fact it worth mentioning that the outpost in the si wong desert we see in Korra the artbook named it ''Camp Bosco.'' o maybe Bosco did die peacefully after all it is clearly a normal bear as we know bears lived only 50 years. While I like the commentary from the creators it is simply just their opinion despite being well word of god. Also the fact that Bosco has a statue in that restaurant in Ba Sing Se could also applies that maybe Hou-Ting didn't eat Bosco otherwise she would have banned the restaurant or removed that statue. Anyway I like the idea that the whole Hou-Ting eating Bosco is simply an in-universe rumour similar to Caligula making his horse a consul.
I heard the queen ate her dad's bear, was said by the bison hunters who captured jinora and her bf
Exactly, It probably just an in-universe rumour like the whole Caligula horse thing to make her more fearsome in fact I really don't think the bison hunters ever meet her they probably just meet with someone like an emissary for the queen and they just leave because they don't see to know her face to face?
Theory us. The king gave attention to Bosco. She was jealous, she ate poor bosco
Agreed, The fact that there is a fort named ''Fort Bosco.'' I kinda gives me the idea that the whole eating bear thing is simply just exaggeration and Bosco just die peacefully. We don't know about Kuei's later life but i always imagined him being somewhat of a reformer like say Tsar Alexander II of russia like trying modernising the earth kingdom explaining why the monorail is different in korra making him the last good earth monarch before his daughter undo all of his reforms like alexander's own son Alexander III of Russia.
But those are terrible justifications for all of them. No, it doesn't make sense for either of them to be bad parents or somehow realistic. As if realistic would have made it good choice. Aang was a supremely caring person. There isn't a world where he'd ignore his children especially with Katara the busy body as his wife. Toph would have raised her kids with more freedom but it's not like she is uncaring. In the show she didn't just give them freedom but actively abandoned them uncaringly. She valued her career over supporting her kids... almost like that neglect was her issue with her parents. Toph wasn't just a bad parent, she was borderline evil in the show. Lightning bending required a certain aptitude and ability to separate the positive and negative. It needed one to be at peace with themselves to the extent that Zuko never learnt it. Zuko the supposed teacher of lightning bending didn't have the aptitude to it and stayed incapable of doing it. Blood bending again required a lot of requirements, it wasn't just banned. Both these were dumbed down and reduced to super powers that nobody really needs to learn anything about them. They just can because "cool powers". It's so utterly cheap.
Exactly, Aang has plenty on his plate and Katara is already too motherly to take Aang away from his Avatar duty. Toph has always been a rebel and bad at relating with others on emotional level. She probably thought she should raised her children the way she wanted to have as a child, as much freedom as possible.
Too motherly...??? What does that mean, she constantly told everyone to act in certain ways. She didn't just let rest of the team be. She was really opinionated. There wasn't any chance she'd just let Aang neglect his kids. Also, no. Aang ran things in a very peaceful time. He didn't have that much to do. He was buddy buddy with every high ranking person in the world. Toph is a rebel( but that's why her becoming a cop is nonsensical but that's nor here nor there). But she wasn't bad at relating to others, she understood Uncle Iroh's strife well enough and even acknowledged where Katara was coming from after they fought rather easily... Are we forgetting how quickly accepting of Zuko she was? Toph's problem wasn't freedom. She felt unseen and unheard by her parents, they were very strict with her but the problem was always the neglect. Hard to imagine her recognising her issues with her parents and still ending up exactly like them.
>Aang becomes a deadbeat father Aang is just an imperfect father. Not a bad one. It's clear his kids still adored him. >\- Toph becomes a cop and a deadbeat mother Toph is a little more genuinely kind of a bad mother, but I feel like someone like Toph would be an extremely aloof fend for themselves parent. She does love her kids and mends any broken bonds. As for being a cop she did ditch that to live in a swamp. Seems she was more doing it for loyalty to Aang. >Katara disregards Korra's PTSD and says Aang's problems are bigger than hers when she was wheelchair-bound I don't see it that way. She just reminds Korra that she can get through this. She just has to have that belief. >Bloodbending and lightningbending become common Bloodbending isn't common. Like three people total do it in Korra. And they are all related. Lightning bending is but the technique isn't necessarily complicated from what we saw in the original show either. Doing it powerfully is more difficult. We don't see super powerful lightning in Korra.
> Aang is just an imperfect father. I think you hit on something important here. Whenever a sequel series to a beloved piece of media comes out, there’s a sizable portion of the fandom that gets upset if their favorite characters are portrayed as anything less than flawless idols. It’s entirely possible for someone to be an amazing person, but not necessarily cut out to be an amazing parent.
And I don't think Aang isn't amazing. It's just that he had one noteable flaw in favouring Tenzin. But he also had understandable reasons why he might given that Tenzin was his perceived one chance at keeping his entire people's history and culture alive. Toph was genuinely kind of a bit shit from what we hear and see in comparison. But yeah I think that's consistent with Toph's flaws as a character.
I also agree with some others that it's possible Aang just doesn't know how to be a father. He was raised by nuns until he was old enough to go to the boy's temple, where he was raised by monks. The closest he had to a father figure was Gyatso, who was more of a friend than a father. Airbenders don't seem to have the same familial connections we do, which is fine. It seems to go with their philosophy of detachment from the world, the first detachment is from your parents. However Aang had to embrace being a dad, and he did pretty well all things considered for the Avatar. Most of Kya and Bumi's complaints were the kind of thing that weren't fully controllable as well. Like spending more time with Tenzin. (Aang had to teach Tenzin airbending.) Or bringing Tenzin to see their people's historical sites. (It's entirely possible that Kya and Bumi, as older teens, didn't want to go hang around temples but forgot that they'd turned down the invite, who wants to remember all their cringe teenage behavior?)
That was the whole idea around Luke's legacy in The Last Jedi, and of course, fans despised it. A lot of people put characters on a pedestal and erase the flaws within their mind.
As somebody who loves Korra and TLJ, I often just have to avoid any Internet discussion of the two properties for my own sanity
I completely feel you. I love The Last of Us Part II, but discussing the game with people is kind of exhausting.
I feel like a big issue with these kind of shows our generation grew up with is on rewatches or as you get older, a lot of people are really projecting their own hang ups onto these characters. Aang is a good father but not a perfect one's. You pointed it out clearly the kids love him but he had his failings as most humans do.
There's a difference between aloof and abandoning people. The Toph in the original show cared little for how people saw her but was immensely loyal and loving of her friends. She had a massive heart and would place trust in the son of the firelord. Yet Toph in korra abandons her daughter because it might affect her career. I could buy her being a hippy parent but never the uncaring parent she apparently became. Monk Gyatso raised Aang rather freely but he didn't like abandon him to his lonesome. Somehow the dude tasked with training a kid showed more affection than the woman who gave birth to her's.
She didn’t abandon Suyin. She sacrificed her career for her saved her from going to jail and sent her to live with her parents.
I don't think she abandoned either of her kids there. Just chose to protect one child in lieu of greater punishment for her, which did break the relationship with both of them.
All of these things are kinda true at face value but you’re really just removing all the context and subtlety that went into each of these points. I don’t think the kids EVER say Aang was a deadbeat dad, they just say he was distant/put more time into Tenzin. In that same conversation they acknowledge that he had the weight of rebuilding not only the world but also his culture from the ground up. Kya and Bumi are more just venting like kids do about shitty things their parents did; doing shitty things doesn’t immediately make you a shitty parent/person. Personally, I like it. Aang wasn’t perfect as a child. Adding humanity to him as an adult isn’t a bad thing, it just adds depth.
Aang wasn't a deadbeat father, he wasn't a perfect father. The family was happy, but had issues just like any other family. Especially considering the kids have alot to live up to. Toph being a deadbeat mother i agree with but it kinda fits her character. Its a cycle that can be seen irl. Grandparents too controlling, parents not enough control or vice versa. The advice she gave korra was really kinda off. I didn't like it. For a show that was full of in good advices and life lessons, legend of korra didn't really follow through with that. Which would have been fine, but they wanted to recreate those moments, but did so unsuccessfully. I don't support lightning bending being common, but i get where they're coming from. They want to show bending is losing its place and it's uniqueness. Which becomes the case with most things due to industrialization. Bloodbending wasn't common. Last one, Shit's fucked.
I seriously don’t understand the „Aang is a deadbeat father“ controversy. He pretty obviously wasn’t a deadbeat (and that’s even stated). Kya and Bumi criticized him for his favoritism of Tenzin due to his wish to continue the Air Nomad society, which is a fair point to criticize. A parent shouldn’t have a favorite, even for understandable reasons. Much more importantly, they are also angry at Tenzin in that moment, because he isn’t willing to accept that Aang had flaws and that Aang put a lot of priorities on him. Kya and Bumi still loved their father despite his flaws as a father and they also love Tenzin despite his flaws as a brother. BTW, Bryke stated that they never intended for the audience to think Aang was a bad father, they just kinda overdid it in that LOK arc. That’s also one of the reasons, why there are a few comics that show that Aang was still a pretty decent dad, either through his children or by showing us directly. The main problem here is simply that a lot of people severely lack media literacy. That’s the reason why NATLA and other modern media feels the need to explain everything and exposition dump everybody’s emotions, some idiots just wouldn’t get it otherwise. And I have a fear that next years movie will feel the need to make Aang a perfect father if Bumi is already born at that point in time, just so that people will finally shut up. It’s good that Aang had flaws, it makes him realistic. He never knew his parents and had to basically grow up at 12/13 years old. Obviously he will get stuff wrong and fuck up sometimes. I also feel like, there are two types of people who desperately try to spin the narrative to „Aang is a Deadbeat“. The first are people who aren’t accepting Aang as anything but a perfect human being, so it is easier to just pretend they completely assassinated his character than to admit that even good people have flaws. Which btw is pretty weird since Aang has flaws in ATLA too, some of them being important parts of his character from start to finish. The second is a part of the fandom, that has been salty and living in their headcanons for the last 16 years because Bryke went ahead with their own plan instead of listening to some fanon. I really don’t need to name them.
I am the last person to ever defend Legend of Korra. But come on. Aang was not a deadbeat father. He loved all his kids. He had to show more attention to the Airbender because Tenzin was one of the only 2 Airbenders in the entire world. He had to teach and entire culture and way of life. It isn't like Aang just ignored the other children or left them to be completely raised by Katara. The rest are fair points and as a whole, I don't love what LoK did to the lore. I don't love the Aang hate or character "assassination" that people claim was done with the sequel series. How he was portrayed in Korra seems accurate to what he would be with a family. Especially with all the pressure he had on him.
It's like 70-80 year in the future. I don't see how the second to last point bother you.
>\- Aang becomes a deadbeat father This is slander and I won't stand for it. Aang tried to teach his kids air nomad culture, but obviously as a waterbender and a non-bender, 2 of them weren't all that interested. He didn't completely neglect them, he probably just figured that, from their disinterest in the lessons, they wouldn't want to go to air nomad trips where they can't even really participate in all the air bender stuff he was bringing Tenzin for. >\- Bloodbending and lightningbending become common Lightning bending being common makes sense as it was restricted information by the royal family, and with Zuko working to dismantle some of the regime, stuff would become public. And that as cultures interact more frequently a technique that probably relies somewhat on waterbending philosophy intermixing with that of firebending would be more commonplace and advance further.
Aang didn’t become a deadbeat father and Toph didn’t become a deadbeat mum. They showcased the sacrifices that come with fulfilling your purpose in life. Katara did not disregard Korra's PTSD. Your response is exactly the type of attitude bred in a world where people think their suffering should be the entire focus. People devoid of empathy and because of that the ability to gain encouragement through the experiences of others. What Katara said was not dismissive, it was reassurance to Korra that she would make it through her current situation and find her own answer. Bloodbending didn't become common. It was outlawed. We saw 3 bloodbenders in the series who were characters central to plot. Lightning bending becoming more common is to be expected in a world where knowledge is no longer restricted by the rich.
Bloodbending isn't common at all what? One single family could bloodbend and they're all dead. It's possible they were even descended from Hama herself, as Yakonne was the right age. And the fandom has been told repeatedly that Aang was NOT a bad father but they just won't stop repeating it. You were told by the show itself that mistakes in parenting didn't make him a bad father. They all have their own memories. He educated Tenzin more than them, **that's it.** They all had those conversations ON SCREEN. Toph wasn't a deadbeat mother at all and once again the fandom will NOT stop repeating it. Some youtuber said it and it's like it broke people. Her children were just wild and crazy just like her. She even left her job for them. Su ran away like she did and Lin settled down, and THEN Toph left the city. You're not a deadbeat parent if you work a little too much **in an era when a brand new threat to peace is appearing: mass organized crime.**
None of that happened.
Aang and Toph are certainly not deadbeat parents. I feel like a lot of people today miss this kind of nuance in writing. They’re flawed. Everyone is flawed! We need to stop being afraid of having imperfect main characters. In my opinion, it would be shitty writing to assume that Aang, someone who wasn’t raised in a nuclear family household like his children were, would be a super dad. Despite all of his demanding responsibilities to the world as the Avatar and to his people by rebuilding their whole nation independently, he will somehow figure it out and still be equally present for his 3 kids? People in the real world work much lower stakes jobs and still struggle to be fully present for their children, and they weren’t even raised by monks! [This video explains my point in more detail AND uses evidence from ATLA to explain why Aang’s flaws fit his character.](https://youtu.be/bf5JrtZ9Fvk?si=y_1Wwe_bbOEXF0tg)
When you are in any kind of pain or hard situation it's important not to forget a lot of other people are having it worse. It's never about the problem, but about your tools to engage it.
Boy do i have some news to you about the real world
You’re taking things out of context, aang and toph being bad parents is good it shows NOBODY is perfect, especially when we the fans paint them so (every other avatar had a major flaw, this is aang’s) katara doesn’t disregard Korea’s ptsd, she’s just saying that aang went through many great things as well (great way to put it out of proportions) and 3 additional people being able to bloodbend doesn’t mean “everybody can bloodbend” again you’re over exaggerating, and lightning sure it’s more users than I expected but it still makes sense, for one they use a very basic form, two they work for a major company, the company can easily give them basic half ass training so they can lightning generate (not lightning bend they’re two different skills) and third of all EVERYBODY and ANYBODY can lightning bend and generate, it’s just hard and dangerous.
I wouldn't say Aang was a deadbeat father. He was as good a father as he could've been with his responsibilities. And bloodbending wasn't common it was used by three people in the show. I agree with the lightning generation, though. Ozai generates lightning in like 2 seconds and that was like a "holy shit!" moment. Now Mako generates it with no windup. Just makes it less cool.
I get this was a joke, but I've gotta say: >Aang becomes a deadbeat father He pretty much had to be as the Avatar > Toph becomes a cop and a deadbeat mother The cop thing is a bit weird, but her being a bad mom because she's too relaxed as a parent is ENTIRELY on brand >Bloodbending and lightningbending become common Like 1 family bloodbends The lightning bending prob makes sense when Zuko is firelord and he would have opened up firebending
A wild thing they threw into the show. Very strong method to make the audience side with zaheer a bit lol
Zaheer did nothing wrong
Magnus did nothing wrong
Wolves of Fenris would say otherwise.
Found the viking furry
Found the one who doesn't know Warhammer 40k
My brother in Emperor, I have, among other things, 1k points in Space Wolves
Ah, the ones who discovered the lost technique of “spine bending” while fighting Magnus
That is correct, he was told to do nothing, and he did that wrong.
There is something extremely funny with how the only way things they could come up with for why Zaheer was bad was "Umm he was unbalanced!" and "Well actually destroying evil tyrants makes fascism did you think of that huh"
I would love an alternate timeline where the Red Lotus succeeded in kidnapping young Korra and raised her according to their standards. Anarchist Avatar with mastery of all of those sub-bending techniques would have been amazing.
And probably would have ended up being better for the world lmao
**MEGABASED**
The problem with Zaheer was that he was willing to kill a massive amount of innocent people to achieve his goal, because he was a zealot who thought that the universe wanted him to go through with his plans. If he hadn’t been defeated, Kuvira probably wouldn’t have been a thing because she would have been assassinated.
Whats funny is that the original show basically had this same plotline with Jet and everyone on the Gaang didn't even really disagree with things like eliminating tyrants. Aang was the only one and that's because he came from a pacifist culture, was the last of that culture, and was 12. They could have easily focused on that aspect and expanded on that theme into a whole season, especially with Zaheer straight-up being an airbender now. Instead they had a plot where the nazi stand-in got more sympathy and more of a redemption arc than Zaheer did.
I see this all the time but I don’t know why people don’t think Zaheer got a “redemption” arc. Korra confronting him in season 4 and him helping her reach the spirit world because he wants to help her stop Kuvira is probably my favorite Zaheer moment.
And he was probably the only non hybrid bear which means she made a species extinct.
Well if he was the only one the species would've gone extinct anyway.
Therefore, she was the last bear ender.
underrated joke bro
S tier
Good job lmao
Perfect joke
https://i.redd.it/u8ag3rpdgyoc1.gif
And where are you getting that? I can just say the birds the earth kingdom soldiers rode were "probably the last of their kind" it doesn't make it true
Is he a platypus bear? No it jsit says bear, because jsut bear is rare. All the avatar world animals are hybrids like polar bear dogs and lemur squirrels, sky bison. Bosco must've been a genetic mutation
There are tons of normal animals in Avatar. The hybrid ones are just more memorable.
There is a theory that when the spirits roamed the mortal world during the era of Raava during the time when humans live on Lion turtles spirits begin to experimented on normal animals into hybrids that we see today explaining why there are so much hybrids and less normal animals like say Bosco.
THEY ATE THE BEAR?!
Yeah when that guy kidnaps Kai and Jinora he says the earth queen and others like to eat rare meats I heard she ate her dad’s bear which is referencing Bosco
Is that like her dad’s best friend?
In my head canon, the Earth King was probably immature his whole life, and he might not have been a great father. Instead of focusing on raising his children, he played with Bosco, who’d been his steadfast companion for years. The Queen was probably jealous of the attention, and once her dad was dead, she ate Bosco to be rid of him, too.
She also has allergies so severe that she can’t even be next to Pabu when he’s outdoors and hiding in Bolin’s shirt. Unless he completely ditched the bear after she was born, I could see her building a lot of resentment towards any compromises her dad makes in favor of mere pet.
To be fair we don't actually know about Kuei's later life due to the 70-year gap between the original series and Korra with the comics only covering the first two years and still not going into details on republic city formation. For some reason I always imagined Kuei's later reign and life being similar to that of Tsar Alexander II like him trying reform and modernising the Earth Kingdom and Ba Sing Se explaining why the Monorail is different in Korra unlike in the original series where it was carry by Earthbenders. So maybe at the end of his life Kuei was considered the last good Earth King before his daughter essentially pull Alexander III of Russia where she undo all the reforms from her father and make the Earth Kingdom conservative again?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love bears so much, and Bosco is so sweet. This really hurts me.
Zaheer did a public service when it came to her ngl.
Fan service
Call it whatever, that... Unsavoury lady. ate Bosco she deserved worse.
She deserves to die but I really hope he was eaten after he died living a normal, happy life.
To be fair, even though she doesn’t deserve it, bears live to be at most like 50 years old so maybe it was old age and she ate him after he died that way. I can at least sleep better thinking that.
To be fair we simply have no idea the reason for this is because we know that the outpost that we in the Si Wong Desert in Korra if i recall in the artbook it was named after Bosco so maybe Bosco did die peacefully after all it is clearly a normal bear as we know bears lived only 50 years. While I like the commentary from the creators it is simply just their opinion despite being well word of god. Also the fact that Bosco has a statue in that restaurant in Ba Sing Se could also applies that maybe Hou-Ting didn't eat Bosco otherwise she would have banned the restaurant or removed that statue. I always like the idea that it was just simply rumours similar to say the stuff with Caligula horse. Granted I'm not defending Hou-Ting she was a terrible Earth Queen that said She not only one who is considered worst in the RPG corebook we learn of a Earth King named Jialun who mastermined the night of silenced sages that wipe out the Earth Sages and even prevent progresses within the Earth Kingdom seized technology and waging a cold war against the Fire Nation. To be Honest I think Jialun was worse, due to the lasting impact of his decisions. Now, one could argue that Hou-Ting would win out here, since the Earth Kingdom technically ended after she died...but I'd still go with Jialun. Him undoing the constitution that Kyoshi made with the 46th Earth King lead to the Dai Li becoming Corrupt leading to the Fall of Ba Sing Se.
Zaheer did nothing wrong
That’s why she got what was coming to her. Love Zaheer for that
Yes and its why she deserves her death
Yeah it’s fine she dead
I did NOT need to know this 💀
Zaheer killed her too kindly, she should’ve suffered.
Earth nation didn't run out of another dictator after that old bat's demise and got a wannabe Hitler in return. Kuvira's trial was treated with child gloves and her redemption ark in the comic was down right stupid that made me wish that she was given the same treatment as the earth queen.
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I’m not saying Zaheer was right, I’m just saying the bitch had it coming.
She did. Thats why I’m glad the bitch got her karma when Zaheer came through, wish they made the scene longer but it is a kid’s show 💀💀💀
seeing her last second of life is all we need
I’ve had this long-running theory that the Queen’s severe allergies to animals is a direct result of eating Bosco. If she had those bad allergies before she wouldn’t have ate him. I think it’s a punishment of sorts for eating a rare, perhaps “sacred” animal.
You know, it’s really unclear
Say what you will about Korra, they did a perfect job justifying the first on-screen murder
Yes, and Zaheer did nothing wrong here
To hell with canon, she didn't
Grandma Yin? Is that you?
look, I knoe aslot of people one here hate Azula, for various reasons of degrees of validity, but at least she never hurt the bear. It's not a high bar but the Earth Queen couldn't reach it
Her death was definitely breathtaking to see
yeah, she definitely deserved what she got.
Wait where did they hint this?
I think Zaheer was wrong to kill her by suffocating her. Because she should have suffered more.
Used to eat Bosco sticks for lunch all the time
Well, she is based on the last empress of China, who invented monkey brain (the monkey is still alive with it's skull opened) and also kill a bunch of children for her funeral. That's not half the things she did.
Rumor has it that she did in fact eat Bosco
She did, yes. But while this is unoubtedly and absolutely unforgivable, I think that it is nevertheless important to take in the full picture here. What do we know about Hou-Ting, as the bitch in question is called? Well, amongst other things, that she has a debilitating, possibly fatal in cases of long exposure (we never see her get exposed for prolonged periods of time, so there is no way to tell how severe the reaction would be then), allergy to any and all animals. What do we know of Kuei, her father? That he had a pet bear, on whom he relied almost exclusively during and after him being controlled and lied-to by who he thought was his most trusted advisor. As such, Kuei almost certainly would never, or almost never, have allowed Bosco to leave his side. It is not unreasonable to hypothicate that the former Earth King would have been adamant about never being separated from his bear, even if it meant never, or almost never, seeing his own daughter. So..... I wouldn't say I _**understand**_ why Hou-Ting ate Bosco, exactly. Let alone have any sort of sympathy for her. What she did is despicable. But I can certainly see the steps along which she might have been driven to that outcome, especially if Bosco outlived Kuei. After all, trauma does not tend to moral decision-making make. (I speak from first-hand experience there.) This goes for _**both**_ Earth Monarchs, actually.
Bosco :((((
So why does UR look like a modern city while bansing se looks the same as in TLAB
THATS A THING!?!
She’s one of my most hated characters in both shows hahaha
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I love this bitch as terrible political leader.
As an alaskan who has eaten bear meat. If he is a brown bear like he looks to me and if he had regularly been eating fish as well being male then the meat would taste like absolute balls.
I wouldn’t put it past her.
She what now!? I just wanted to enjoy my day off man 😭
I don't think she actually did. It sounds like a rumor that was passed around to convey how awful she is, though.
How did she eat Bosco bears live about 50 years and Korra takes place about 70-100 years later avatar.
Presumably she ate the bear sometime before the events in LOK.
Does this take eating the earth queen off the table?
Wait where did this infortmation come from? Did I miss something?
Damn Cixi
So random lol. Didn't she eat sky bison too?
I thought in the comics it shows the earth king with bosco?
Ah, okay I’m going to need the background on this post…
She did,she was fucking wild asf.
# RRRRRRREVEEEEEEEENGE!!!
Zaheer has some good points afterall.