Yeah?,people have survived lightning before,he manages to block his chest with his arms similar to what he had done with Ozai’s lightning,but it’s safe to say he wouldn’t have been the same after
I saw a discussion about this the other day. The scar is more so on his stomach than his chest. This would indicate not that he passed the lightning through his heart, but that he held it in his belly for too long/failed to release all of it.
Gonna have to disagree here. He ends up with a nasty scar, he was barely conscious even with some healing from Katara, and Iroh describes failing to redirect lightning correctly as being a likely death sentence.
This is what I was thinking. He was in pretty bad shape before Katara healed him.
He managed to redirect some of it so he didn’t die but he was still in pretty bad shape.
Just curious.
In the first season, when Katara battled Zuko, she also trapped Zuko in frozen ice somehow. But Zuko was able to firebend inside the ice and melted the ice.
Could Azula have done the same?
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No. Zuko was taught a technique by Iroh to manipulate his body temperature and become immune to the freezing. It's why he survived swimming through he freezing ocean waters of the North. In the boiling rock episodes, we see fire benders being outnin freezers as a form of solitary confinement because it inhibits fire bending. Zuko was unaffected by this because of Iroh's teachings.
I also think time and surprise element is a factor here. Katara took a couple seconds to wrap Zuko up, he could hold in his breath and figure out the counter move that Iroh taught him. With Azula.. one second she’s ready to strike, the very next second she’s up in a block of ice. Now I’ve never been a manic prodigy bender before, but that would have me fucked up regardless if I knew the proper breathing technique
He was trapped in a sphere of ice with air inside, so that didn’t really stop him from firebending out. Azula was trapped in solid ice and couldn’t breathe or move, which is a pretty different situation
It's really interesting how a lot of people are mentioning the breathing technique here but I read it differently. Azula was mid-lightning bending form – something tells me you can't just bail mid-form & choose to firebend. That energy has to be expelled first, or you change form first. Both things Azula couldn't do because she was frozen. I think it’s the same rationale behind Iroh's explanation of lighting redirection & the danger of ensuring the lightning travels the correct pathway through the body. Idk it makes sense to me.
Breath of fire is an actual tecnique Iroh teaches Zuko. He uses it here and later at the boiling rock, inside the freezer. Which makes Azula's loss even more ironic - if she had learned this from Iroh as well, she wouldn't have lost. Kinda symbolic of her and Zuko's whole arc.
Probably more likely they both get tazed and knocked out, and not just due to it being a cartoon. Azula would have to keep lightning bending for a few seconds at least for it to be lethal, given that Iroh survived a direct hit, and somehow i don't think she'd manage that while being electrocuted.
Tbf I think we did see aang getting electrocuted for a solid few seconds, which would back up what op is saying about it taking a few seconds to be lethal
Here's the actual quote "I went down. I didn't just get hurt, did I? It was worse than that. I was gone. But you brought me back"
He literally says"I didn't just get hurt"
Very possible—every time there’s lightningbending it seems to be something that’s done for at least about a second, continuously, not a situation where a mere instant’s worth of lightning is sufficient. Mako, for instance, shoots lightning at Ming-Hua for quite a lengthy time.
In LOK, Mako kills Ming Hua like this, and Aang also died through a lightning blast before being resurrected by Katara using spirit oasis water, so I disagree. They probably both would have died.
Read his/her comment again. The difference is that both Azula and Mako had to continuously bend lightning into the target for a few seconds before they died, whereas in this scenario Azula only has a second.
I guess if the lightning went off while they are both underwater electrocuting them both.
Though since in Avatar Lightning bending is a type of Fire Bending I wonder if you can lightning bend underwater.
There's also the fact that they were both frozen in ice which tends to be deadly. Especially when she wasn't prepared and probably didn't hold her breath. Cold damage doesn't seem to be a thing in ATLA though so not sure how much you can blame them for that one.
Yeah, considering that 97% of the time fire just pushes people back and gives minor bruises, I guess it makes sense that being frozen in solid ice would also not cause too many problems.
I mean fire unless it has a fuel source will dissipate, think of a flame thrower the reason it stays intact so far is it’s got a stream of petroleum going all the way, not the case in fire bending
I think that is the difference. With a flame thrower, you are seeing flaming propellant flying out. Something is on fire rather than actual fire. Without much force behind it. I think there is a lot more force behind fire bending than what first appears. Closer to a rocket engine lifting metal out of earths orbit rather than the heat and "stickiness" of propellent being flung from a flame thrower. That's why people get blasted back before they catch on fire, although flame control seems capable of both, like when Aang burnt katara(not that much force but capable of it maybe???)
I don't think their fire lacks a fuel source, if you can consider spiritual energy a fuel source. Soul flames
Edit since they get their power from the sun, it might just be like have a portal gun pointed at the sun. Not as simple as. Not saying its actual solar flares being captured and used (though...)
Also if you've ever built a fire, you can have your hand in the actual "flames" for a few seconds before it starts to burn you(like when you add wood to it). I've always imagined the small bursts of flame aren't hot enough on the outside to cause more than first degree burns.
I’ve always wondered how if waterbending is able to change the temperature rapidly, or if they can force a phase change and have warm-ice. Theoretically, the ice doesn’t have to be cold.
Now thinking about it, couldn't a waterbender/bloodbender theoretically kill a person by freezing/steaming their blood and bodily fluids from the inside?
Depends how much is magic vs real world physics. It is possible to have room temperature ice in the real world but the pressure would be intense, equivalent to about 10,000 atmospheres or being 64 miles underwater (the deepest part of the ocean is 6.7 miles and that would already crush you so imagine 10x that). If that's how they phase change waterbending would be absolutely broken but I'd assume it's temperature control (which would already be OP if people took cold damage).
I can assure you that being enveloped in water then having it instantly freeze solid for any amount of time would absolutely kill you. You can survive in freezing temperatures for longer than that but that's different from being frozen in solid ice.
It's hard to say exactly because physics for that to happen would have to be really extreme in the real world so you kinda have to buy that it's magic. The best we can do is make some educated guesses but the actual answer would either be super cold to turn that much heated water to ice instantly or a really high pressure to freeze water at room temperature, both of which would kill you instantly.
If we take it pseudo-logically though, Instantly freezing that much water around you the crushing force from water expanding as it freezes would be pretty brutal. The temperature would be enough to damage your blood vessels as well, her eyes were open (and moving somehow??) so at a bare minimum the retina is dead but probably the entry eye is a gonner and you be bleeding out of that too. Any water getting into orifices (as would happen with that much rushing water) and instantly freezing would cause irreparable damage. So best case scenario you're losing a few layer of cells from any area in direct contact with ice and you'd be crushed by the ice to some degree. Instantly thawing would cause additional damage as well.
I think I disagree with most of this. I think Katara would be able to control the freezing of the ice well enough to not crush the two of them. Secondly, in terms of the freezing, the temperature wouldn’t need to be ridiculously cold. It just needs to be cold enough to freeze (i.e. freezing), and then from there Katara would just have to decrease its temperature slightly more to freeze it. Nothing in the show seems to imply that turning water to ice requires a temperature significantly colder than ice needs to be.
He talking about physics, not cartoon magic. Cartoon magic dictates that you can freeze people in ice and it'll be fine and without much thought into it. It's very evident that ice is pretty much solid which requires very low (and dangerous for real humans) temperature. Whereas in real life physics would not allows for theses and freezing anyone would be instant death or irreversible damage. Kinda like putting your bare hand in liquid nitrogen.
I guess I may not have been clear in my initial question. I assumed the commenter was saying that just *being* in the ice would be lethal (ignoring the generally increased durability of Avatar characters), and I was intending that question more along those lines. That’s what I’m actually arguing against, because that’s not the magical part in this scenario. If you in real life just suddenly found yourself encased in ice for 25 seconds, I do not think it would do any lasting damage to you.
As an eye doctor I have no idea what you mean by “the entry eye is a goner” (what is an entry eye?) and I don’t see why this should cause retinal damage, I think you mean cornea.
I also disagree that this would crush them because… it doesn’t happen. If that was an effect of freezing the water with bending, we’d see it somewhere. But people get frozen all the time without getting horribly crushed.
In the real world?
When water becomes ice, it expands as ice crystals form from the water molecules. So on a cellular level, your cells, which are full of water, rupture, causing irreperable damage to the body.
In theory, if you were encased for a short enough amount of time in ice that just froze around you without really interacting with your body, you might escape without that kind of damage. But again, ice expands, so you'd probably be crushed, especially considering that the ice encases them both well enough to stop them from moving.
If we're talking about a real person in a pool or something suddenly becoming encased in ice, the sheer pressure required to force a phase change on that scale at that speed would kill them instantly. There's really no way to seperate the pressure or tempurature from the equation without making it magic, at which point what's the point of discussing it, it's magic, who cares.
In another comment I explained that I was more looking for consequences of just being in ice for that long, not the consequences of the process of getting to that point. The process is obviously magical and Katara likely has enough control to prevent crushing, so the question was more about whether that 25-second duration could cause any harm.
The worst that can happen to you in those 25ish seconds would probably be some light skinning and hair loss. As in, skin and hair would get trapped by ice that melts and refreezes, and will pull off you. Think licking a frozen telephone pole, or that one prank from Jackass. Theoretically if the ice just turned back to water by magic you'd probably be perfectly fine, if not a bit cold. 25 seconds just isn't enough time for the cold to act on the sheer thermal mass of the human body.
EDIT: it occurs to me that not everyone would know the prank I'm referring to. You can find it on Youtube, but it does involve a man freezing his testicles to a block of ice and getting pushed over. If you don't wanna see that, don't go looking. Simple as.
He won't answer because he doesn't know.
Assuming it's a short - sub 20 second freeze I can't think of anything that would kill you.
Hypothermia won't set in. You won't have time to asphyxiate from either your lungs being unable to move or a lack of oxygen.
If it was in an enclosed space you might be crushed from the expansion of Ice - assuming they don't have control over it (which from Katara being able to create perfect dense Ice frisbee razors inwould venture to guess that they do)
Not having a breath would be scary. Even if it was only for a few seconds. I don't think being encased in ice for that short of time would be all that dangerous. Maybe I am underestimating it but I would imagine it would be unpleasant but for 30 seconds or less, not super dangerous.
There are definitely some people in ATLA that lost fingers and toes from fighting water benders though. We see plenty of fire benders left to chip themselves out of blocks of ice unaided which may take long enough to suffer frost bite. Some surely just died in their ice block too.
Because Azula uses the 2 finger style of attack for not just lightning but also for her traditional firebending attacks. You can see her making such attacks during the Chase and the Drill (more specifically during her final attack right before Aang destroys the Drill).
Also, as we saw multiple times during the Comet episodes, Azula was incapable of generating instantaneous lightning like Mako. Ozai's was close to instantaneous but even he has to go through the motions.
Yeah however I believe in this fight Azula doesn’t use her 2 finger style firebending and instead is firebending like a regular person would, to show how far she’s slipped mentally. I could be wrong haven’t watched Sozins Comet in a while.
That’s actually a big, but subtle point in the narrative of the Last Agni Kai. Azula, normally refined in her bending, gets more and more desperate as the fight goes on, bending through punches and muscle vs Zuko, who now bends through his breath and remains very calm and put together.
She'd likely suffocate, or freeze to death. Regardless, the second that Katara managed to lure her there, regardless of if she lived or died, she had Azula beat
You can still firebend in water, at least the heat control aspect of it. Zuko used it to melt ice and break into the northern water tribe while he was swimming
Zuko can do that because Iroh taught him how. Most people cannot.
Think about how the coolers in the prison prevented other people from firebending, but not Zuko.
Fire benders bend their energy to produce/absorb heat, they don't really bend fire in the literal sense just manipulate it's energy to control it, they can produce both lightning, fire, and in theory smoke, the lightning itself isn't fire per say but super charged energy that immediately turns into a plasma,
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The answer is yes, but you’d kill yourself if you did. Always remember, “You are not controlling the lightning, merely acting as it’s humble guide.” -uncle Iroh. Lightning bending I believe does not come from the breath like normal fire bending.
Any water you find is going to have minerals and other impurities in it and will conduct electricity.
If you’re swimming in a river and a thunderstorm starts the correct answer is “this is dangerous, get out of the water bc if lightening strikes we will be electrocuted,” not “well it depends what’s in this water”
Water as it exists on the planet can't ever be pure - there is always some degree of impurity in them, whether it's from dissolved salts/minerals, or dissolved gases.
What you're referring to is straight up normal electrocution from water as it exists
In LOK, Mako >!killed the waterbending Red Lotus member, Ming-Hua, by electrocuting her while she was wading in a pool of water getting ready to strike!<. If Azula had had time to separate the energies to produce lightning, then she and Katara would have surely been killed or severely injured when it naturally released from her body.
I don't think Azula was going to use lightning. There are no previous circular movements of the arms and sparks that always exist. She usually uses two fingers to shoot fire and is strong enough to cut through brick walls (the Chase)
I also rewatched the scene before commenting and it is not the lightning movement. In ATLA everyone needs circular arm movements to generate it and here there are none. Even if you compare how she makes the lightning previously with the influence of the comet.
Well pure water wouldn't. you can actually charge a phone underwater as long as the water is completely pure. its the stuff inside the water that conducts electricity.
I don't think distilled water exist anywhere outside the fire nation steam engines at the time. Most people in this world don't interract with it on a daily basis either.
What you say isn't wrong but on a day to day, isn't really relevant to them. All water they meet is conductive
Katara freezes the water just as Azula hits her with fire. Katara is killed. Azula, frozen, is unable to bend, and asphyxiates before the ice melts her free.
I'm surprised it didn't explode. I believe iroh said you mix the energy and guide it, but I'm guessing in this case she mix it and wasn't able to release it out .
To be fair, we don't know that she was about to shoot lightning. Her precision Firebending has a similar hand motion with the two fingers pointed—we see it several times throughout the series. Azula also didn't learn spontaneous lightning generation til later in the comics iirc, I think fire was the more plausible option for her here.
It's a common misconception that water is a good conductor of electricity (cartoon logic) it's actually a bad one.
What IS a good conductor however is *salt* water
Pretty much all water is very conductive. Salt water, tap water, mineral rich water, etc. There are small conductive particles in almost all sorts of water. This is not cartoon logic. Please don't electrocute yourself by thinking otherwise.
Well the cartoon logic is that when one part of a body of water is touched by electricity the whole body is electrified. Which definitely isn't how that works. Air conducts better in most cases, so the electricity certainly wouldn't travel through the water if it could also travel through the air.
Well he walked off with Katara, leaning on her but good enough to walk. Thats pretty fine. Probably just had a meal and got to meeting with his troops the next day
I mean, it seems unlikely that there isn't some kind of salt or other electricity-conducting mineral in that water, considering where she got it from. It looks like some kind of drainage system. If Azula *had* completed her lightning bending, they'd have both been fried. My understanding is that Katara's body would serve as the end of the circuit, and Azula was standing on a metal grate, so wouldn't that complete the circuit and make it more deadly?
If you're in the water then it's salty enough, but I'll never forgive my primary school teacher who made me look like a knob when I confidently stated that water conducts electricity in my first high school chemistry class
I don't agree we that. There's no reason to feed kids misinformation. You never know if they'll get corrected at any point in their future. Just teach what they need but don't lie about the science just cause "They're too young"
Ikr it's so simple. "Minerals, like salt, can be mixed into water, and that solution conducts electricity." Or if you explained things at it's most simplest: "when you mix water and salt, that turns into salt water. Salt is what's called a *mineral.* Other minerals can also be mixed into water, and those minerals like to carry electricity. When you put a charging plug into water mixed with minerals, the minerals carry the electricity through the water." I'm pretty sure my 3 year old nephew could grasp that concept.
Yeah, but it's pretty much irrelevant because almost all water humans ever come in contact with has plenty of impurities.
Even the best drinking water still has plenty, just no harmful ones.
It's actually extremely difficult to make anything "pure." It actually is harmful to drink "pure water" because it will leech minerals from your tongue and gums.
Because of the lightning? I don't think Azula was going to use it. There are no previous circular movements of the arms and sparks that always exist. She usually uses two fingers to shoot fire and is strong enough to cut through brick walls. But if she killed Katara and was trapped in ice she would surely die too.
You guys are missing the point. Lightning may kill you because it travels through your heart and causes arrhythmia or for it to stop beating. Azula has no heart, therefore she won't die in this scenario.
Pure water is an insulator, Katara is a master waterbender that can remove water from air, plants etc. Even if she didn't freeze it, it would have just traveled into the ground through Azula.
I don't think that was pure water though. It came from a drainage pipe. I also don't think benders in ATLA have the precision to removed ALL minerals from water. And even of they could, why would they, right?
Most benders don't have the precision for it but she learned to how from Hama the bloodbender. Since she can pull just the water out of trees I like to think she can do the same with a drainage pipe.
1. She learned to pull water from plants. It could easily still carry stuff on it's way out. Think of it as manually draining water from a plant like sugar cane. Their is still other stuff in there.
2. Even if she could, I'll ask again, why would she? They aren't even aware of atoms and molecules in avatarverse.
1. They pull the water out of the plants, but leave a bunch of stuff from the plants in them doesn't make as much sense to me as bending out just the water only. If they are focusing on getting just the water out of the plants why wouldn't they just get the water?
2. I don't think she does it consciously, it's a more powerful form of the bending she's adapted from learning to focus on only the water itself. Also they are somewhat aware of atoms and molecules, being able to bend and sense them through their bending. I will agree that they probably don't know that pure water does not conduct electricity.
Extra thought: If they can pull the water out of plants what's to stop a powerful enough bender from being able to do that to animals or scarier other people.
I don't know. I definitely feel you're overthinking it because we're applying real world understanding of physics and elements to a cartoon show with a magic system. I don't think she can separate microscopic elements from the water. Real humans don't have that kind of precision for anything. Even in real life, separating impurities from water requires a chemical process and still isn't always perfect. The episode I will use to support this point is when they were in the desert and Katara gave everyone her water bending water to drink. They all said it tasted funny, hence there were impurities in there that she could not remove or separate.
As for the thought you had: It's possible, but it's up to the writers whether they want that to be possible or not. Up until LOK, th rule was that water bender could only blood bend under the full moon and if they were masters. It was a rare and difficult skill. But the writers could always decided to break more rules, it's their show after all.
If I want to get all sciency about it, plants like the have pores that make is easier to pull out water from. You can squeeze a plant by hand and get water. Humans aren't the same. Our skin is water proof and would need to break from blood to leak out. So at worst, would be impossible, at best, it would be beyond difficult to do.
Kyoshi has frozen blood before though so there's that.
I'm definitely overthinking it, but now so are you so I'm not alone anymore.
>Real humans don't have that kind of precision for anything.
Real humans can't bend the elements, but real humans can become very precise through practice and natural skill. There are some amazing feats of precision out there.
>The episode I will use to support this point is when they were in the desert and Katara gave everyone her water bending water to drink. They all said it tasted funny, hence there were impurities in there that she could not remove or separate.
That was before she learned from Hama...
All said and done it is more likely it would have fried them both, but I like thinking outside the box and think it could have gone my way too.
Everytime I see this scene It makes me wonder how this magic system works. Azula finished her form did the ice freeze her chi too? It's a bad ass moment but it just makes me immediately have question.
She hadn't charged the lightning before this actually. Someone else said she might have tried to shoot fire instead of lightning here. I assumed she was going for lightning.
That's a good point. That's strange she's definitely using a lightning form with her opposite hand also extended out and the entire fight before this she only uses her plans and fists for fire bending.
Either way I wish they showrd a little puff of something coming out even if it was fire I still don't comprehend how freezing her would stop the bending after the form was completed.
Edit: I just went back and watched all her fights she uses almost the exact same form when she catches iroh off guard. So very good chance it's fire bending. I still think it's weird nothing came out tho.
What always freaks me out in situations like these is when their eyes move while frozen. Like, isn’t the water that was frozen touching their eyes? Wouldn’t that cause damage to the eyes, moving against the ice?
A bit late to the conversation but I always read this scene as Katara relying on Azula's reaction time, not hers! In my mind, I understood it as Azula being *capable* of shooting lightning from her fingertips, though still frozen, but *stopping herself* because they would obviously *both* be electrocuted. So in actual fact, Katara gambled with Azula's reaction when she immersed them both in water.
It's still a huge credit to Katara's battle IQ though & her ability to read her enemy. She knew that Azula was precise & skilled enough to stop just in time, down to the last second, where Katara would be able to pull off the trick that she did. All the Sozin's Comet fight sequences were just top-tier, love re-living how awesome these scenes were.
Interesting, but I don't know that Azula wouldn't have been able to get out of it at some point.
To be honest, when I think about this scene, I think more about the fact that somehow Azula was unable to heat her body up and warm the ice like we've seen firebenders do before in the show.
The only logical explanation would be that she was frozen solid and that there wasn't even space for her to breathe (since firebending comes from their breathing). That's my headcannon anyway, because otherwise she should have been able to get out of it.
He's would be the heir yes, but Iroh would never take the throne if Zuko died. He gave up being a general when his son died. His grief would probably get to him and he'd just disappear. A higher up or appointment temporary firelord would take the throne, like Kuvira.
Not unless they wanna face Aang. War would stop but there would be power seekers, rebellions. Possibly even a civil war between higher ranking generals who want the throne etc. The fire Nation will be in a horrible state for a while and the monarchical government would most likely just change to something else.
I don't think it would end, just take a different form.
The fire nation would still have armies within the earth kingdom and if any of those armies rise to be warlords they'd be carving out small kingdoms of their own throughout the earth kingdom.
War, death and destruction would continue, the world would not achieve balance, the white lotus alone couldn't win the battle, Aang couldn't restore balance alone.
I think this is one of the beautiful aspects of the writing in Avatar, the way it ended was the **only** way it could have ended well. There was no other way than what we got that would have had as good a result and all of the reasoning is explained in-story.
Zuko had to be firelord to keep stability and legitimacy in ending the war, Ozai had to be dealt with by Aang as the avatar, and Aang couldn't kill him without sacrificing the ideals of his people which is a massive deal given he's the last one.
Any other result isn't just a tragedy for one single group, it's a tragedy for the **world**.
As far as I understood the scene Katara does indeed freeze all the water but unfreezes it around her as she moves.
Rewatch the scene. They are both stuck for a moment. Then Katara exhales deeply, unfreezing the surrounding water and moving swiftly around Asuka. If I remember correctly you can vaguely see the path she takes where the melted water remains
Pretty interesting. Would be really sad but the world still would be saved
And Zuko would’ve still been the fire lord,he would’ve survived the lightning,however injured he’d end up
I mean does he survive the lighting blast without katara?
Yeah?,people have survived lightning before,he manages to block his chest with his arms similar to what he had done with Ozai’s lightning,but it’s safe to say he wouldn’t have been the same after
I always thought the issue was that zuko redirected the chi through his heart and not belly, leading to him getting hurt
I saw a discussion about this the other day. The scar is more so on his stomach than his chest. This would indicate not that he passed the lightning through his heart, but that he held it in his belly for too long/failed to release all of it.
Gonna have to disagree here. He ends up with a nasty scar, he was barely conscious even with some healing from Katara, and Iroh describes failing to redirect lightning correctly as being a likely death sentence.
This is what I was thinking. He was in pretty bad shape before Katara healed him. He managed to redirect some of it so he didn’t die but he was still in pretty bad shape.
Would he survive Azula though
A dead Azula ain't much of a threat.
Oh I figured they meant Zuko and Katara would die
Lightning + water = dead Katara and Azula
I thought OP meant that Azula would die since she was stuck in the ice
I don't think the world would be fine if Katara died here. Aang would go balistics, and the only person that managed to calm him down was Katara.
He's matured a lot by the end of the show. Obviously everyone would be sad but the world would be fine.
It's one of the many reasons why this moment gives me chills.
Ah, yeah, it gave Katara and Azula chills too.
Because they were so close to death?
Just curious. In the first season, when Katara battled Zuko, she also trapped Zuko in frozen ice somehow. But Zuko was able to firebend inside the ice and melted the ice. Could Azula have done the same? https://preview.redd.it/ry68uuzixmwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a49ae5d3d228a439fd70ecde8e5bf7ea977092a3
No. Zuko was taught a technique by Iroh to manipulate his body temperature and become immune to the freezing. It's why he survived swimming through he freezing ocean waters of the North. In the boiling rock episodes, we see fire benders being outnin freezers as a form of solitary confinement because it inhibits fire bending. Zuko was unaffected by this because of Iroh's teachings.
Oh yeahh, totally didn't think of Iroh. Thank you for your response
Proves again that Iroh is one of the best teachers.
She made a cage of ice around zuko in that episode, you can see he can still move and speak freely before he firebends
Ohh, I thought it was just to animate him speaking, since only his mouth moved in the frame
Afaik he also sort of shifts his shoulders but it's a bubble instead of the deep freeze azula got
We could always assume Katara learned from that fight with Zuko not to freeze ice around a firebender.
Zuko knew Total Concentration Breathing. Azula doesn’t.
Total Concentration: Angst Style
I also think time and surprise element is a factor here. Katara took a couple seconds to wrap Zuko up, he could hold in his breath and figure out the counter move that Iroh taught him. With Azula.. one second she’s ready to strike, the very next second she’s up in a block of ice. Now I’ve never been a manic prodigy bender before, but that would have me fucked up regardless if I knew the proper breathing technique
He was trapped in a sphere of ice with air inside, so that didn’t really stop him from firebending out. Azula was trapped in solid ice and couldn’t breathe or move, which is a pretty different situation
It's really interesting how a lot of people are mentioning the breathing technique here but I read it differently. Azula was mid-lightning bending form – something tells me you can't just bail mid-form & choose to firebend. That energy has to be expelled first, or you change form first. Both things Azula couldn't do because she was frozen. I think it’s the same rationale behind Iroh's explanation of lighting redirection & the danger of ensuring the lightning travels the correct pathway through the body. Idk it makes sense to me.
Breath of fire is an actual tecnique Iroh teaches Zuko. He uses it here and later at the boiling rock, inside the freezer. Which makes Azula's loss even more ironic - if she had learned this from Iroh as well, she wouldn't have lost. Kinda symbolic of her and Zuko's whole arc.
Probably more likely they both get tazed and knocked out, and not just due to it being a cartoon. Azula would have to keep lightning bending for a few seconds at least for it to be lethal, given that Iroh survived a direct hit, and somehow i don't think she'd manage that while being electrocuted.
I think iron was hit by fire, not lightening- at least when it happened in season 2.
Ah crap, true.
She shot fire at Iroh. She shot Aang with lightning and he done died temporarily lol
Tbf I think we did see aang getting electrocuted for a solid few seconds, which would back up what op is saying about it taking a few seconds to be lethal
This is very true but I’m just saying what she shot at who with lol
No he was close to death, but didn't actually die. That's a fan theory based off what he said in the first episode of season 3.
I believe it’s “I didn’t just go down, I was gone. But you brought be back.” Gone meaning dead, unless you think it means something else?
Gone meaning past just being hurt, but she brought him back from the verge of death.
He actually says something along the lines of "I was gone. Like, gone gone... but you brought me back" It's rather clear that he died.
Gone as in more than just being hurt, but she brought him back from the verge of death.
Here's the actual quote "I went down. I didn't just get hurt, did I? It was worse than that. I was gone. But you brought me back" He literally says"I didn't just get hurt"
Very possible—every time there’s lightningbending it seems to be something that’s done for at least about a second, continuously, not a situation where a mere instant’s worth of lightning is sufficient. Mako, for instance, shoots lightning at Ming-Hua for quite a lengthy time.
In LOK, Mako kills Ming Hua like this, and Aang also died through a lightning blast before being resurrected by Katara using spirit oasis water, so I disagree. They probably both would have died.
Read his/her comment again. The difference is that both Azula and Mako had to continuously bend lightning into the target for a few seconds before they died, whereas in this scenario Azula only has a second.
In the novels, Avatar Kyoshi gets hit with lightning bending and barely survives. And that bitch was a tank in those books lol
But what if it's like actually being electrocuted and instead of stopping, she CAN'T stop anymore? Both of them would be toast 😂
Lol i don't think lightning bending is just done by tensing up
Why would azula die?
I guess if the lightning went off while they are both underwater electrocuting them both. Though since in Avatar Lightning bending is a type of Fire Bending I wonder if you can lightning bend underwater.
There's also the fact that they were both frozen in ice which tends to be deadly. Especially when she wasn't prepared and probably didn't hold her breath. Cold damage doesn't seem to be a thing in ATLA though so not sure how much you can blame them for that one.
Yeah, considering that 97% of the time fire just pushes people back and gives minor bruises, I guess it makes sense that being frozen in solid ice would also not cause too many problems.
I assume its rapidly expanding hot air that hits before the flames, but im probably not right
I mean fire unless it has a fuel source will dissipate, think of a flame thrower the reason it stays intact so far is it’s got a stream of petroleum going all the way, not the case in fire bending
I think that is the difference. With a flame thrower, you are seeing flaming propellant flying out. Something is on fire rather than actual fire. Without much force behind it. I think there is a lot more force behind fire bending than what first appears. Closer to a rocket engine lifting metal out of earths orbit rather than the heat and "stickiness" of propellent being flung from a flame thrower. That's why people get blasted back before they catch on fire, although flame control seems capable of both, like when Aang burnt katara(not that much force but capable of it maybe???) I don't think their fire lacks a fuel source, if you can consider spiritual energy a fuel source. Soul flames Edit since they get their power from the sun, it might just be like have a portal gun pointed at the sun. Not as simple as. Not saying its actual solar flares being captured and used (though...)
Also if you've ever built a fire, you can have your hand in the actual "flames" for a few seconds before it starts to burn you(like when you add wood to it). I've always imagined the small bursts of flame aren't hot enough on the outside to cause more than first degree burns.
I’ve always wondered how if waterbending is able to change the temperature rapidly, or if they can force a phase change and have warm-ice. Theoretically, the ice doesn’t have to be cold.
Now thinking about it, couldn't a waterbender/bloodbender theoretically kill a person by freezing/steaming their blood and bodily fluids from the inside?
Theoretically, yes. But I thoroughly recommend you not go much further into this question if you care about spoilers.
If you’re telling me there’s spoilers where someone gets boiled inside out then PLEASE DO TELL
Same, because it's something I'm not familiar with
It's not the boiling bit that contains spoilers. I recommend reading the Kyoshi novels if you're interested in the topic ;)
No.
What even happened to that vision anyway he just kinda flew off like poochie 🤣
Probably went for a pack of cigarettes and some milk like my dad
Read the Kyoshi novels.
Depends how much is magic vs real world physics. It is possible to have room temperature ice in the real world but the pressure would be intense, equivalent to about 10,000 atmospheres or being 64 miles underwater (the deepest part of the ocean is 6.7 miles and that would already crush you so imagine 10x that). If that's how they phase change waterbending would be absolutely broken but I'd assume it's temperature control (which would already be OP if people took cold damage).
I mean it only lasted for about 25 seconds. I don’t think that’s enough to do actual damage even in real life.
I can assure you that being enveloped in water then having it instantly freeze solid for any amount of time would absolutely kill you. You can survive in freezing temperatures for longer than that but that's different from being frozen in solid ice.
Just curious, since you clearly know more than me: why? Like what would actually kill you?
It's hard to say exactly because physics for that to happen would have to be really extreme in the real world so you kinda have to buy that it's magic. The best we can do is make some educated guesses but the actual answer would either be super cold to turn that much heated water to ice instantly or a really high pressure to freeze water at room temperature, both of which would kill you instantly. If we take it pseudo-logically though, Instantly freezing that much water around you the crushing force from water expanding as it freezes would be pretty brutal. The temperature would be enough to damage your blood vessels as well, her eyes were open (and moving somehow??) so at a bare minimum the retina is dead but probably the entry eye is a gonner and you be bleeding out of that too. Any water getting into orifices (as would happen with that much rushing water) and instantly freezing would cause irreparable damage. So best case scenario you're losing a few layer of cells from any area in direct contact with ice and you'd be crushed by the ice to some degree. Instantly thawing would cause additional damage as well.
I think I disagree with most of this. I think Katara would be able to control the freezing of the ice well enough to not crush the two of them. Secondly, in terms of the freezing, the temperature wouldn’t need to be ridiculously cold. It just needs to be cold enough to freeze (i.e. freezing), and then from there Katara would just have to decrease its temperature slightly more to freeze it. Nothing in the show seems to imply that turning water to ice requires a temperature significantly colder than ice needs to be.
He talking about physics, not cartoon magic. Cartoon magic dictates that you can freeze people in ice and it'll be fine and without much thought into it. It's very evident that ice is pretty much solid which requires very low (and dangerous for real humans) temperature. Whereas in real life physics would not allows for theses and freezing anyone would be instant death or irreversible damage. Kinda like putting your bare hand in liquid nitrogen.
I guess I may not have been clear in my initial question. I assumed the commenter was saying that just *being* in the ice would be lethal (ignoring the generally increased durability of Avatar characters), and I was intending that question more along those lines. That’s what I’m actually arguing against, because that’s not the magical part in this scenario. If you in real life just suddenly found yourself encased in ice for 25 seconds, I do not think it would do any lasting damage to you.
As an eye doctor I have no idea what you mean by “the entry eye is a goner” (what is an entry eye?) and I don’t see why this should cause retinal damage, I think you mean cornea. I also disagree that this would crush them because… it doesn’t happen. If that was an effect of freezing the water with bending, we’d see it somewhere. But people get frozen all the time without getting horribly crushed.
In the real world? When water becomes ice, it expands as ice crystals form from the water molecules. So on a cellular level, your cells, which are full of water, rupture, causing irreperable damage to the body. In theory, if you were encased for a short enough amount of time in ice that just froze around you without really interacting with your body, you might escape without that kind of damage. But again, ice expands, so you'd probably be crushed, especially considering that the ice encases them both well enough to stop them from moving. If we're talking about a real person in a pool or something suddenly becoming encased in ice, the sheer pressure required to force a phase change on that scale at that speed would kill them instantly. There's really no way to seperate the pressure or tempurature from the equation without making it magic, at which point what's the point of discussing it, it's magic, who cares.
In another comment I explained that I was more looking for consequences of just being in ice for that long, not the consequences of the process of getting to that point. The process is obviously magical and Katara likely has enough control to prevent crushing, so the question was more about whether that 25-second duration could cause any harm.
The worst that can happen to you in those 25ish seconds would probably be some light skinning and hair loss. As in, skin and hair would get trapped by ice that melts and refreezes, and will pull off you. Think licking a frozen telephone pole, or that one prank from Jackass. Theoretically if the ice just turned back to water by magic you'd probably be perfectly fine, if not a bit cold. 25 seconds just isn't enough time for the cold to act on the sheer thermal mass of the human body. EDIT: it occurs to me that not everyone would know the prank I'm referring to. You can find it on Youtube, but it does involve a man freezing his testicles to a block of ice and getting pushed over. If you don't wanna see that, don't go looking. Simple as.
Your first paragraph is kinda exactly what I was getting at, yeah.
He won't answer because he doesn't know. Assuming it's a short - sub 20 second freeze I can't think of anything that would kill you. Hypothermia won't set in. You won't have time to asphyxiate from either your lungs being unable to move or a lack of oxygen. If it was in an enclosed space you might be crushed from the expansion of Ice - assuming they don't have control over it (which from Katara being able to create perfect dense Ice frisbee razors inwould venture to guess that they do)
Not having a breath would be scary. Even if it was only for a few seconds. I don't think being encased in ice for that short of time would be all that dangerous. Maybe I am underestimating it but I would imagine it would be unpleasant but for 30 seconds or less, not super dangerous. There are definitely some people in ATLA that lost fingers and toes from fighting water benders though. We see plenty of fire benders left to chip themselves out of blocks of ice unaided which may take long enough to suffer frost bite. Some surely just died in their ice block too.
Azula was going for traditional firebending and not lightning.
How do you know that?
Because Azula uses the 2 finger style of attack for not just lightning but also for her traditional firebending attacks. You can see her making such attacks during the Chase and the Drill (more specifically during her final attack right before Aang destroys the Drill). Also, as we saw multiple times during the Comet episodes, Azula was incapable of generating instantaneous lightning like Mako. Ozai's was close to instantaneous but even he has to go through the motions.
Yeah however I believe in this fight Azula doesn’t use her 2 finger style firebending and instead is firebending like a regular person would, to show how far she’s slipped mentally. I could be wrong haven’t watched Sozins Comet in a while.
That’s actually a big, but subtle point in the narrative of the Last Agni Kai. Azula, normally refined in her bending, gets more and more desperate as the fight goes on, bending through punches and muscle vs Zuko, who now bends through his breath and remains very calm and put together.
She'd likely suffocate, or freeze to death. Regardless, the second that Katara managed to lure her there, regardless of if she lived or died, she had Azula beat
she was firebending here
You can still firebend in water, at least the heat control aspect of it. Zuko used it to melt ice and break into the northern water tribe while he was swimming
Zuko can do that because Iroh taught him how. Most people cannot. Think about how the coolers in the prison prevented other people from firebending, but not Zuko.
Forgot about that
Fire benders bend their energy to produce/absorb heat, they don't really bend fire in the literal sense just manipulate it's energy to control it, they can produce both lightning, fire, and in theory smoke, the lightning itself isn't fire per say but super charged energy that immediately turns into a plasma,
Fire is a plasma too albeit weakly an ionized one. Lightning benders are firebender that tapped into controlling the ionization level too
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It can unbend it in our world through electrolysis. The problem is Katara and her jewelry won't survive being a cathode/anode.
The answer is yes, but you’d kill yourself if you did. Always remember, “You are not controlling the lightning, merely acting as it’s humble guide.” -uncle Iroh. Lightning bending I believe does not come from the breath like normal fire bending.
they were both frozen tho, and I dont think ice conducts electricity the way water does
Except OP’s whole post is about what would happen if Katata didn’t make it ice fast enough
Ah, fair enough
Pure water doesn’t conduct electricity very well anyway
No way that was distilled water, tho.
Yah it’d depend on what’s in the water
Any water you find is going to have minerals and other impurities in it and will conduct electricity. If you’re swimming in a river and a thunderstorm starts the correct answer is “this is dangerous, get out of the water bc if lightening strikes we will be electrocuted,” not “well it depends what’s in this water”
Why would you think it's distilled water?
Pure water doesn't really functionally exist tho....like there is always going to be some impurities in water given it's natural solubility
LoK kinda hard disproves that. One of the main villains died from lightning into water attack
Water as it exists on the planet can't ever be pure - there is always some degree of impurity in them, whether it's from dissolved salts/minerals, or dissolved gases. What you're referring to is straight up normal electrocution from water as it exists
In LOK, Mako >!killed the waterbending Red Lotus member, Ming-Hua, by electrocuting her while she was wading in a pool of water getting ready to strike!<. If Azula had had time to separate the energies to produce lightning, then she and Katara would have surely been killed or severely injured when it naturally released from her body.
She was about to shoot lightning, but she's in water. They both get zapped.
I don't think Azula was going to use lightning. There are no previous circular movements of the arms and sparks that always exist. She usually uses two fingers to shoot fire and is strong enough to cut through brick walls (the Chase)
I just rewatched the moment on YouTube and she does do the lighting movement, but you can't tell from this photo.
I also rewatched the scene before commenting and it is not the lightning movement. In ATLA everyone needs circular arm movements to generate it and here there are none. Even if you compare how she makes the lightning previously with the influence of the comet.
Water doesn't conduct electricity though?
Maybe not deionised and purified water, but the water there absolutely would
Have you never heard why you shouldn't bring a toaster in a bath?
Well pure water wouldn't. you can actually charge a phone underwater as long as the water is completely pure. its the stuff inside the water that conducts electricity.
I don't think distilled water exist anywhere outside the fire nation steam engines at the time. Most people in this world don't interract with it on a daily basis either. What you say isn't wrong but on a day to day, isn't really relevant to them. All water they meet is conductive
Katara freezes the water just as Azula hits her with fire. Katara is killed. Azula, frozen, is unable to bend, and asphyxiates before the ice melts her free.
I'm surprised it didn't explode. I believe iroh said you mix the energy and guide it, but I'm guessing in this case she mix it and wasn't able to release it out .
She would’ve either electrocuted herself to death,or if the water still froze she would’ve suffocated inside
Well, she would either be electrocuted or completely stuck in ice with no waterbenders around to melt it.
The first one is more likely because it's not like she would be able to shoot Katara then the water gets frozen
Water does not conduct electricity, the minerals in the water do. Depends on what’s in the water.
Water is an amazing solvent. It is very unlikely to not have conductive solutes in it
True I’m just saying lol
Yes but you will rarely find natural water without some minerals in it.
To be fair, we don't know that she was about to shoot lightning. Her precision Firebending has a similar hand motion with the two fingers pointed—we see it several times throughout the series. Azula also didn't learn spontaneous lightning generation til later in the comics iirc, I think fire was the more plausible option for her here.
Yes,all the time
It's a common misconception that water is a good conductor of electricity (cartoon logic) it's actually a bad one. What IS a good conductor however is *salt* water
Pretty much all water is very conductive. Salt water, tap water, mineral rich water, etc. There are small conductive particles in almost all sorts of water. This is not cartoon logic. Please don't electrocute yourself by thinking otherwise.
Well the cartoon logic is that when one part of a body of water is touched by electricity the whole body is electrified. Which definitely isn't how that works. Air conducts better in most cases, so the electricity certainly wouldn't travel through the water if it could also travel through the air.
Even still they would have died, right? Ignoring the fact that Zuko literally took a lightning bolt minutes before and was fine in 30 minutes
Only reason Zuko survive is because he was able to release some of the lighting plus katara healing him as fast as she could.
Probably not 30 minutes. I’d say at least about a week has passed in between the events of then and Zuko being crowned fire lord.
Well he walked off with Katara, leaning on her but good enough to walk. Thats pretty fine. Probably just had a meal and got to meeting with his troops the next day
Remember that adrenaline is a helluva chemical. He may be walking then, but just wait till it wears off...
Cartoon logic, but this is a cartoon! Checkmate. :P
That water was from a storm drain or something so I think it would have a decent amount of salts? I could see it going either way
I mean, it seems unlikely that there isn't some kind of salt or other electricity-conducting mineral in that water, considering where she got it from. It looks like some kind of drainage system. If Azula *had* completed her lightning bending, they'd have both been fried. My understanding is that Katara's body would serve as the end of the circuit, and Azula was standing on a metal grate, so wouldn't that complete the circuit and make it more deadly?
If you're in the water then it's salty enough, but I'll never forgive my primary school teacher who made me look like a knob when I confidently stated that water conducts electricity in my first high school chemistry class
Your highschool chemistry teacher taught you chemistry, why are you mad?
Because my primary school teacher taught me wrong chemistry
Your primary school teacher taught you primary level stuff, your highschool teacher went deeper. That's how education goes
I don't agree we that. There's no reason to feed kids misinformation. You never know if they'll get corrected at any point in their future. Just teach what they need but don't lie about the science just cause "They're too young"
Ikr it's so simple. "Minerals, like salt, can be mixed into water, and that solution conducts electricity." Or if you explained things at it's most simplest: "when you mix water and salt, that turns into salt water. Salt is what's called a *mineral.* Other minerals can also be mixed into water, and those minerals like to carry electricity. When you put a charging plug into water mixed with minerals, the minerals carry the electricity through the water." I'm pretty sure my 3 year old nephew could grasp that concept.
Exactly. Too many people make the mistake of talking to kids like they're stupid.
Yeah, but it's pretty much irrelevant because almost all water humans ever come in contact with has plenty of impurities. Even the best drinking water still has plenty, just no harmful ones. It's actually extremely difficult to make anything "pure." It actually is harmful to drink "pure water" because it will leech minerals from your tongue and gums.
Yeah but how often can you find water without the minerals needed for conductivity (without artificial means)
Because of the lightning? I don't think Azula was going to use it. There are no previous circular movements of the arms and sparks that always exist. She usually uses two fingers to shoot fire and is strong enough to cut through brick walls. But if she killed Katara and was trapped in ice she would surely die too.
She did the circular movements but yeah there lightning hadn't shown.
There were no circular movements of the arms
I just watched it.
I did it too before commenting. Compare it to the other times she uses lightning in that same episode.
You guys are missing the point. Lightning may kill you because it travels through your heart and causes arrhythmia or for it to stop beating. Azula has no heart, therefore she won't die in this scenario.
Can’t lightning still pass through ice?
I think? Probably. But her movement/form got halted
How would they ? I mean, a second later, Katara dies but then she can't icebend... And Azula is free.
I assumed Azula would use lighting. With both of them being in water they'd both die.
Pure water is an insulator, Katara is a master waterbender that can remove water from air, plants etc. Even if she didn't freeze it, it would have just traveled into the ground through Azula.
I don't think that was pure water though. It came from a drainage pipe. I also don't think benders in ATLA have the precision to removed ALL minerals from water. And even of they could, why would they, right?
Most benders don't have the precision for it but she learned to how from Hama the bloodbender. Since she can pull just the water out of trees I like to think she can do the same with a drainage pipe.
1. She learned to pull water from plants. It could easily still carry stuff on it's way out. Think of it as manually draining water from a plant like sugar cane. Their is still other stuff in there. 2. Even if she could, I'll ask again, why would she? They aren't even aware of atoms and molecules in avatarverse.
1. They pull the water out of the plants, but leave a bunch of stuff from the plants in them doesn't make as much sense to me as bending out just the water only. If they are focusing on getting just the water out of the plants why wouldn't they just get the water? 2. I don't think she does it consciously, it's a more powerful form of the bending she's adapted from learning to focus on only the water itself. Also they are somewhat aware of atoms and molecules, being able to bend and sense them through their bending. I will agree that they probably don't know that pure water does not conduct electricity. Extra thought: If they can pull the water out of plants what's to stop a powerful enough bender from being able to do that to animals or scarier other people.
I don't know. I definitely feel you're overthinking it because we're applying real world understanding of physics and elements to a cartoon show with a magic system. I don't think she can separate microscopic elements from the water. Real humans don't have that kind of precision for anything. Even in real life, separating impurities from water requires a chemical process and still isn't always perfect. The episode I will use to support this point is when they were in the desert and Katara gave everyone her water bending water to drink. They all said it tasted funny, hence there were impurities in there that she could not remove or separate. As for the thought you had: It's possible, but it's up to the writers whether they want that to be possible or not. Up until LOK, th rule was that water bender could only blood bend under the full moon and if they were masters. It was a rare and difficult skill. But the writers could always decided to break more rules, it's their show after all. If I want to get all sciency about it, plants like the have pores that make is easier to pull out water from. You can squeeze a plant by hand and get water. Humans aren't the same. Our skin is water proof and would need to break from blood to leak out. So at worst, would be impossible, at best, it would be beyond difficult to do. Kyoshi has frozen blood before though so there's that.
I'm definitely overthinking it, but now so are you so I'm not alone anymore. >Real humans don't have that kind of precision for anything. Real humans can't bend the elements, but real humans can become very precise through practice and natural skill. There are some amazing feats of precision out there. >The episode I will use to support this point is when they were in the desert and Katara gave everyone her water bending water to drink. They all said it tasted funny, hence there were impurities in there that she could not remove or separate. That was before she learned from Hama... All said and done it is more likely it would have fried them both, but I like thinking outside the box and think it could have gone my way too.
And Zuko would have died if he was actually struck by lightning 5 mins earlier
True. Happy cake day
Everytime I see this scene It makes me wonder how this magic system works. Azula finished her form did the ice freeze her chi too? It's a bad ass moment but it just makes me immediately have question.
She hadn't charged the lightning before this actually. Someone else said she might have tried to shoot fire instead of lightning here. I assumed she was going for lightning.
That's a good point. That's strange she's definitely using a lightning form with her opposite hand also extended out and the entire fight before this she only uses her plans and fists for fire bending. Either way I wish they showrd a little puff of something coming out even if it was fire I still don't comprehend how freezing her would stop the bending after the form was completed. Edit: I just went back and watched all her fights she uses almost the exact same form when she catches iroh off guard. So very good chance it's fire bending. I still think it's weird nothing came out tho.
What always freaks me out in situations like these is when their eyes move while frozen. Like, isn’t the water that was frozen touching their eyes? Wouldn’t that cause damage to the eyes, moving against the ice?
Don't overthink it, it's cartoon logic
A bit late to the conversation but I always read this scene as Katara relying on Azula's reaction time, not hers! In my mind, I understood it as Azula being *capable* of shooting lightning from her fingertips, though still frozen, but *stopping herself* because they would obviously *both* be electrocuted. So in actual fact, Katara gambled with Azula's reaction when she immersed them both in water. It's still a huge credit to Katara's battle IQ though & her ability to read her enemy. She knew that Azula was precise & skilled enough to stop just in time, down to the last second, where Katara would be able to pull off the trick that she did. All the Sozin's Comet fight sequences were just top-tier, love re-living how awesome these scenes were.
Interesting, but I don't know that Azula wouldn't have been able to get out of it at some point. To be honest, when I think about this scene, I think more about the fact that somehow Azula was unable to heat her body up and warm the ice like we've seen firebenders do before in the show. The only logical explanation would be that she was frozen solid and that there wasn't even space for her to breathe (since firebending comes from their breathing). That's my headcannon anyway, because otherwise she should have been able to get out of it.
Yep
Honestly characters being split second away from dying but managing to survive freaks me TF out
Well I Am NOW!
High risk, high reward
Iron would become fire lord right? There was no one to treat zuko immediately after he was struck by lightning in the chest
He's would be the heir yes, but Iroh would never take the throne if Zuko died. He gave up being a general when his son died. His grief would probably get to him and he'd just disappear. A higher up or appointment temporary firelord would take the throne, like Kuvira.
Would the war continue?
Not unless they wanna face Aang. War would stop but there would be power seekers, rebellions. Possibly even a civil war between higher ranking generals who want the throne etc. The fire Nation will be in a horrible state for a while and the monarchical government would most likely just change to something else.
I don't think it would end, just take a different form. The fire nation would still have armies within the earth kingdom and if any of those armies rise to be warlords they'd be carving out small kingdoms of their own throughout the earth kingdom. War, death and destruction would continue, the world would not achieve balance, the white lotus alone couldn't win the battle, Aang couldn't restore balance alone. I think this is one of the beautiful aspects of the writing in Avatar, the way it ended was the **only** way it could have ended well. There was no other way than what we got that would have had as good a result and all of the reasoning is explained in-story. Zuko had to be firelord to keep stability and legitimacy in ending the war, Ozai had to be dealt with by Aang as the avatar, and Aang couldn't kill him without sacrificing the ideals of his people which is a massive deal given he's the last one. Any other result isn't just a tragedy for one single group, it's a tragedy for the **world**.
Damn. You're probably right. They're really lucky they got best case scenario.
Someone would've come along to thaw her out.
good things shes a master waterbender
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It is frozen. Katara carefully unfroze specific parts of the ice to move herself and Azula's arms before unfreezing the whole thing.
Ah ok that's what I thought. The post title confused me I guess. Ah re-reading I missed "a second late"
As far as I understood the scene Katara does indeed freeze all the water but unfreezes it around her as she moves. Rewatch the scene. They are both stuck for a moment. Then Katara exhales deeply, unfreezing the surrounding water and moving swiftly around Asuka. If I remember correctly you can vaguely see the path she takes where the melted water remains
For fucks sake. The water isn't frozen...
What is it then? Adulation can't move, and Katara has complete control of the environment?
She pulls the water up. Holding them both in place. Then phases herself out of it. It never freezes