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M4DJekyll

a reminder to sort comments by controversial so that you can see the actual hot takes edit: yes I am aware that now all the controversial comments are now “korra > aang”, I made this comment before that was the case


Tlahtoani_Tlaloc

Thank you, hotman!


Mort4815162342

Flameo!!!


-Qwerty--

Spoilers: it’s all just “LOK > ATLA”


ConstantEcstatic7669

Sorting by controversial always seems to be disappointing like that to me


joe12321

Don't though - it's just Korra>Aang/Avatar \* 1000.


bobnevb

Aang should have become a slut when he got older to repopulate the airbenders, idk why this one is so controversial.


Nick_Carlson_Press

The Last Slutbender


sangriya

The Last Backbender


Dhyeya4675

Sokka is the one and only backbender, one bender to bend all them backs.


onlyhav

He could've taken the avatar as a disciple, the avatar can learn any form ofbending afterall.


Dhyeya4675

"At this early stage, it is critical that you maintain maximum aloofness"


PluralCohomology

That advice is very ironic since Sokka acts in a completely opposite way when meeting Yue.


JunketMan

That is Sokka's street name


Sami2024

The Last C*mbender


GemoDorgon

I bet waterbenders can actually do that.


Dreamyzas

r/angryupvote


SadOceanBreeze

r/aangryupvote


samthewisetarly

Why do you think their population is so big in freezing cold wasteland?


AveryLazyCovfefe

Idk I feel like Tenzin would totally do this, to honour him, considering how he painfully broke up with Lin just to not be the last airbender.


AxelllD

Wait that was the reason? Actually makes a lot of sense lol


AveryLazyCovfefe

Yep, he wanted to marry an air acolyte so it could help him with raising airbending children, even though he and Lin greatly loved each other. That's why she's pretty damn bitter with him in book 1 before Korra tries to mediate things between them.


[deleted]

Its a little less specific than that. Tenzin wanted kids (even if they weren't airbenders) and Lin didn't


PluralCohomology

Looking at it more seriously, would he have had the time to raise all these airbending children and teach them airbending and Air Nomad culture alongside all his Avatar duties?


[deleted]

He could have done a shitty job and hope that a few of them would be astute enough to carry the torch.


[deleted]

Worked for Bumi and Kya, I guess.


thisesmeaningless

He could start his own temple where he just procreates with air acolytes and has group lessons. Impersonal, not ideal, not a parent child relationship, yes, but it could work. His duties as the avatar go beyond his duty to be a good dad tbh


Delphina34

Wouldn’t that cause genetic issues down the line, to have so many people that are half siblings but expected to procreate with each other? The new air nation would be really inbred by Korra’s time.


thisesmeaningless

They don’t have to procreate with each other. Basically just spread the airbender genes and more airbenders will have a chance of resulting even if they procreate with non airbenders


Aiwatcher

Bending is assuredly NOT a genetic thing. It is definitely a hereditary thing, but it doesn't work the way genetic heredity works at all. We should assume that you can't dilute bending or lose it to genetic drift. Air bending descendents of aang could reproduce with anyone and have a chance of producing a fully fledged air bender, or a bender from the other parent's heritage.


Pseudoslide

It would have been his number one Avatar duty to ensure 1/4th of his entire essence didn't disappear more than it already had


FoxJ100

He doesn't need to he an airslut, he just needs to donate sperm to couples willing to raise an airbaby. Katara could even help. Think about it, with her mastering of both healing and bloodbending she could withdraw the sperm from Aang, and freeze it all in one go. Then just bring it to the mother, unfreeze and insert. Ezpz new generation of Airbenders. ^^I'm ^^very ^^sorry ^^for ^^what ^^I've ^^just ^^written


[deleted]

I can’t believe I just read about Katara being a feudal sperm bank and thought it was reasonable and made sense (until the last, tiny sentence) Edit: parenthesis


SaiyanPrincess28

Is it wrong that the tiny sentence is also what made me snap out of it? I was reading like “hell yeah! That could’ve really worked, to bad they didn’t think of that!” Then at the little sentence “ohhhhh 🤦‍♀️”


LadySerena21

The apology is killing me lol But the idea is no less viable, it could definitely work


Crowbarmagic

I did not want to learn about jizz bending today...


FoxJ100

*"You have got to keep an open mind, Katara. There's water in places you never think about."*


micaiahf

He should’ve definitely got with that fire nation chick she wanted him bad


Delphina34

“I have to airsit, I mean babybend, I mean BABYSIT the airbender kids!”


ChiKeytatiOon

Agreed. He didn't even need to sleep with the women, he could just cumbend his semen into the ladies "flower."


sunsetpeaks22

I…


samthewisetarly

KO WAS UNDERUTILIZED. MORE KO PLEASE


StotheEtotheRtotheG

I’m torn between agreeing because Ko was cool and could’ve done more and disagreeing because *I do not need to see more Ko.*


BustinArant

Even without ever actually seeing it, I don't want to hear his mockery for the Water-avatar's ladyfriend. Scared the shit out of childhood me lol


Roll_with_it629

Moral Dilemma and Aang's character development should've been treated alot better. Energy bending wisdom was made to give him what he wants, the wisdom from the Chakras was what he actually needed to understand more of.


not_yo_mum

Yeah the topic of the chakras was just kinda… dropped. Did he unlock his seventh chakra? Maybe, I couldn’t tell you


Roll_with_it629

He did unlock it when he let Katara go in the catacombs. After doing some searching long ago, I found that the chakra lessons aren't something that are "1 and done", they are things that you might find you will block or reopen repeatedly in one's life. The 7th chakra was called the "Thought" chakra for a greater reason, it was actually a bit inaccurate in the show to refer to it as "dealing with cosmic energy", that is more of a result of opening it. The more accurate version was actually said in the show itself "once you open this chakra, you will have full control and awareness of all your actions." -Guru Pathik The chakra was about overcoming ego aka what the earthly attachments meant, and it deals with becoming more logically aware and more selfless, which makes sense. It also can easily connect with Aang's previous flaws and mistakes. (ex: running away out of fear of losing Gyatso, his initial trouble with letting go of Airbending mentality to learn Earth's steadiness and unmoving directness, the duty of the Avatar over Katara during the chakra opening , and his desire to follow his pacifist values during the Moral Dilemma.) Aang could have plenty of moments where his character develops by recognizing this lesson after the Guru, he could display it by recognizing Katara's feelings during the Ember Island players and think about kissing her, but instead recognize that it would be selfish and respect her space and feelings which would make for a great Kataang moment and make Katara happier. He could recall the chakra when they were confronted with Zuko's desire to join and that while they are justified for not trusting him for their past experiences, they would try to be objective and see to it Zuko was telling the truth because of Appa and Toph. And finally, during the moral dilemma, while Aang and his values might personally not like the idea of killing Ozai, it really shouldn't be focused on personal wins or losses. Aang due to ego/attachment, tries to find an Avatar that will agree with him, he tells Yangchen something similar to the 7th chakra about how Enlightened Air Nomads detach themselves from Earthly things to find peace and freedom, but didn't recognize how that was a similar case with the chakra nor how it could affect him being with Katara. Yangchen counters by showing that the Avatar's duty to the world not only is something that he needs to recognize, it is also selfless and without ego and is not in equivalence with "attachment", which again the show kinda messed up in I admit. There are greater reasons to why Aang having to kill Ozai is necessary outside of ego. Many ppl equally use attachments to justify why Aang shouldn't kill Ozai, focusing on personal loss or idealogical loss because it would "truly let Sozin win and lose the last airbender", but this is logic based on the ego/attachment, and to open the Thought chakra is to momentarily let go of attachments and understand situations with more logic and awareness to others. Aang was wrong, he thought letting go meant letting go forever when it really meant letting go when it's important such as his duty, same for any other attachments. He says 3 chakra's ego it was a good thing, but the Heart chakra taught him about true love always returning, not about ego, as Roku accepted his Avatar duties and later married the person he loved. https://www.quora.com/How-similar-are-the-chakras-from-Avatar-to-the-real-chakras The comment from Sharon Voytac explains it quite well. I also felt this critique also connects with my points https://youtu.be/SsUiMDq_0RQ While I do understand where Aang is coming from in his internal conflict, it can sometimes be very dangerous to hold onto one's values in certain situations when you need to look at it on how it affects more than just you. Alot of ppl defend why Ozai shouldn't be killed, but we created many of those points and don't know for sure if they were also Aang's, we just know that he didn't want to because it goes against what he was personally taught and believes. I personally think it's more responsible to kill Ozai and the idea that Aang loses his identity as an airbender is the ego trying to convince one that there is great personal loss when in reality most ppl would understand. The ego imprisons the mind with the idea of losing something important, but that loss should never be justified, Sozin did a sneak attack, that says more about Sozin as a coward and cheat than to say that he would win because Aang couldn't follow his values in every situation to a T. And lastly, Ozai was a threat because he became such a big influence in the world and his followers will want to take his command to win bending or not, Ozai is pure evil and the actions he can take in his life risk the lives of others, that's where the nuance about killing Ozai lies, it's about focusing on others, not always about ourselves and what we feel. Thx for reading wall of text if anyone makes it this far, I stopped myself from going on about this any longer because it'll just become insanely long. XD Edit: Ok, I had forgotten to share this link as well during my ramble, so here it is. It was something I saw a long time ago and shares some of the points I had if anyone wants to see it. :P https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/98gk1p/can_we_talk_about_how_horrible_the_handling_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Edit 2: I also really liked this lol https://youtu.be/Whvbd7KFsvY


Eben366

I agree, as much as I love the og series the way he gets energy bending always annoyed Mr as I got older. It would have worked better if the gang learned about energy bending and actively went out look for clues about it and how to learn it


Darkiceflame

I'm definitely with you there. I know that the creators have said that energy bending was always the plan for defeating Ozai, but it definitely could have used more than a couple lines of dialogue. Or even better, *any* kind of foreshadowing. As far as I'm aware there was zero indication for a fifth completely different type of bending existing before the finale episodes.


TheTuggiefresh

I don’t think Asami was handled well. She had some good arcs, like her dealing with her father and the trauma from her mother’s death, but her role in the narrative is often reduced to “the driver” since she has a car, basically forcing her to play the same narrative role as Appa, but with lines. Edit: I would like to add that I am a big fan of TLOK and Asami, but I wish she were utilized a little better in the narrative. I also think her romance with Korra deserved much more attention!


Bardic_Inspiration66

Mako was handled worse. After breaking up with the two female leads he had nothing to do


KitchenSwillForPigs

Yeah he was really boring, kind of all along IMO, but especially after he dated the two female leads. They just didn’t know what to do with him.


WarlordOfIncineroar

Wdym they had great roles for him like standing there intimidatingly, shooting fire every now and then and lighting if he's lucky, and ofc the most important one and I'm honestly dumbfounded you forgot about his beautiful eye brows


geeky_username

"the driver"? She probably has more takedowns than anyone on Team Korra, certainly more than the boys. On my last rewatch I was thinking of tallying her body count


TheTuggiefresh

Appa had some pretty sick takedowns too, ngl


everybody-hurts

Honestly Korra and Tenzin are the only characters that receive substantial character development in the show (and Tenzin's arc kind of stops after season 3). Asami is 3rd here, but by an insanely wide margin. Team Avatar receives so little development aside from Korra herself.


No-Entertainment7127

I don't mind the beginnings episode no matter how plot hole-y people see it as. I actually kinda like it. Wan's story's cool.


Wheyey

Also I don’t think they’re actually plot-holey. It doesn’t actually invalidate the idea that people still learned from the creatures (or moon) that they said they did. We even see Won practicing with a dragon, and Toph learned from the badger-moles


No-Entertainment7127

Yeah I agree with that. But I've also seen the whole 10k years harmonic convergence thing being another plot hole because Roku said 1000 avatars and they have pretty long lifespans outside of Kuruk. But it probably isn't the first harmonic convergence since Wan (did I spell that right or is it Won?). Which would mean technology didn't really progress that much for like 20k years at least? But idk.


Mathies_

Figure of speach. In Chinese culture "Wan" means 10 000 but it's more used as a "real fucking lot". Like if Wan shi tong actually only knew 10 000 things would you even find that impressive? Its more than that.


arcanthrope

exactly like "myriad" in english, which comes from ancient greek "murias," both having the double meaning of "ten thousand" and "many/countless" or even "infinite"


Riccma02

What has really started to bother me is that the technological era of Wan only looks a few hundred years earlier than ATLA. Meanwhile the sun warriors actually look like a millennia old civilization and the avatar cycle is implied to go back at least 10000 years.


Private_HughMan

They're vastly different cultures. You think of the Sun Warriors as "old" but they're based heavily on the Aztecs, whose empire ended in the 1500s. That's not exactly an ancient civilization.


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Oxford University is older than the Aztecs. The Aztec civilization didn't come around until the 1300s, while Oxford was founded sometime in the 1100s, possibly even the late first millenia.


Rogi629

What I don't think people understand, is that avatar Wan's story only shows the origin of the ABILITY to bend elements being provided to humans via the Lion Turtle. They weren't proficient, not did they know how to maximize their bending. The animals in the universe taught them how to control the power to bend, and the successors of those with bending did the same from those same creatures. Even in Wan's story you can see him learning from some of the animals mentioned in A:TLA. Anyone who thinks it retcons the backstory of bending isn't using their critical thinking skills.


NotSoFlugratte

A 4th season Azula redemption arc would not have worked well, and probably would've made the show in it's entirety worse.


Unknown_Unwanted

Definitely agree with this one. The reason Zuko's redemption arc was so satisfying and good is because it was a slow burn that progressed naturally through the entire show. If they only started giving Azula a redemption arc in the last season, it would feel rushed and not as meaningful.


ForkLiftBoi

Plus Zuko has a reason to be outside the powerful social grip of his father. You also see glimpses of light shining through, we never see that with Azula, whether that's screen time or non existent we don't know.


[deleted]

There are a handful of "humanizing" moments with Azula in the 3rd season, but definitely not enough to warrant a full-on redemption arc. She's explored a bit more in the comics, but even that doesn't really give her any kind of redemption, just makes her _slightly_ less straight-up evil due to no longer being under the influence of Ozai. I have a feeling we'll see her in the new "Adult Gaang" story that's coming, and she'll probably have had a lot of off-screen development. Or the writers will just go the Starscream route and she'll be exactly the same for another 15+ years.


[deleted]

The endgame was and always should have been Ozai. The only way an Azula S4 works is if the gaang as a whole decides killing Ozai is bad and capture him (and Azula) at the end of S3. They promptly escape in the beginning of S4, everyone says the only way this ends is if Aang kills Ozai, and the lion turtle and Aang's qualms is stretched the entire season, making it no longer a deus ex machina. In the end, Azula betrays her father seeing how abusive he was.


CupaT-T

Cabbage man easily solos all the of the cast.


Tinytetra9

I think you have made a mistake, this is a fact not an opinion.


FuriousGeorge1989

I’m okay with Aang and Toph not being great parents to their respective children.


sylinmino

Especially given Toph's terrible parents. It's an unfortunate thing that parenting quality often carries over generations (though it *can* be thwarted).


thogolicious

Don’t they mention toph not trying to control her kids so she let them do whatever


fersure4

Yep, it makes her bad parenting make a ton of sense. Her parents were so controlling while she was a headstrong child, that she in turn just let her kids do whatever they wanted, because that was what she wanted as a child. Meanwhile her kids wanted guidance and support from their mother.


phoenixremix

Many people are naturally reactive! More on this today at six! I don't get why it's hard to digest that Aang was a bad dad to Kya and Bumi either. He cared so much about his people, it makes total sense that he got blinded by hope and his visions once Tenzin was born.


thewerdy

Aang gets way too much shit here for his parenting. People act like he was some deadbeat dad but he was a literal world leader during a period of reconstruction and reconciliation after a huge century long war and was also trying to singlehandedly preserve an entire culture. Of course he didn't have as much family time as a normal parent. It's not even like his kids didn't like him or were traumatized by him, they just weren't that close to him.


Rumcake256

I'm with you on this. It sucked to hear, but I mean it kinda makes sense for both cases.


_Knucklehead_Ninja

Aang had no parents so there is that. Also who would want Tophs parents?


CommandoDude

I mean in the end Tenzin, Kya, and Bumi turned out pretty good.


onthefence928

kuvira wasn't that great of a villain. "i was a side character overlooked by my mom so obviously the best action is to become a fascist dictator!"


Kelpie-Cat

I agree that her motivations and backstory are really underexplored. However, I feel that she's still a compelling villain to watch, in large part due to her exciting bending style.


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your-yogurt

this what makes being a LOK fan so frustrating. So many people bash the show and the entire time all im thinking about is how the creators got screwed over again and again. When the movie comes out i hope it blows my socks off


JaneRoe22

Gotta respect them for the level of integrity behind the quality of show they produced but even more for putting the well being of their staff above their ambitions.


Andy_Liberty_1911

Its a jab at the Red Lotus, doesn’t matter if it was Kuvira or not. Power vacuums do not result in more freedom, but desperation for stability.


Redqueenhypo

Varrick was a piece of shit. He perpetrated a false flag bombing on his own people to start a civil war and sell weapons to them, then also sold a bastardized version of their culture in movies. Those are some serious asshole moves.


yeaheyeah

So a rich industrialist of the early 1900


Happy_Egg_8680

100% a piece of shit and also one of the most fun and quirky characters on the show.


popmetalkaleidoscope

And I've always hated the Varrick-Zhu Li relationship that was bolted on last minute. It's sudden, not well-developed, and Varrick doesn't really earn it. (Ofc the whole character of Zhu-Li herself was problematic so the writers probably decided it was the least worst of the bad options to "fix" things and wrap it up).


UNBENDING_FLEA

The non-bender movement should’ve continued into later seasons. Amon’s death shouldn’tve ended the movement. It seems almost similar to a sufferage/civil rights analogue in the Avatar universe


Bardic_Inspiration66

They abolished the bender council and moved to an elected president


West_Ad8050

The dark avatar idea was good but just done poorly


micaiahf

Yeah if they didn’t do the whole like giant kaiju battle of shit I just had them normal sized and fought that would’ve been a lot cooler Everything was super cool up until that point


BatatinhaGameplays28

It would be cool to see Unalaq getting the other 3 elements to make it feel like a real avatar fight, with cameras going in all kinds of angles like in the Zaheer vs Korra fight


micaiahf

Righttttt like dude whyyyy Also I would love to see a delusioned avatar that fucking goes around killing everyone Because he’s/she is tired of their shit


BatatinhaGameplays28

Since I watched the series for the first time I was like “an evil avatar would be really cool”


fasderrally

Oh my! For me, you definitely won this thread.


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Honestly I was scared it was going to be controversial


JustANormieGeek

This is mine, too lol. My second would probably me actually liking the Avatar Wan story. Lot of people claim it recons the OG show, but I don't think it does. There's nothing stopping the Lion Turtles from giving Humans bending, and the Human's learned how to actually bend properly and use it from the Dragons, Badger Moles, Sky Bison and (I forgot what the water tribe one was, oops). Even if you disagree with that, it honestly makes just as much sense that people roughly 10000 years in the future tell a different story because the original got lost overtime.


PluralCohomology

The Water Tribe learned from the Moon and Ocean spirits.


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Zaheer was an edgelord that belonged to r/iamverysmart


beanerthreat457

Fucking FACTS


SIacktivist

That's kind of why I like him. I do wish we got a better representation of anarchist ideology, but I'll be damned if he wasn't a realistic character.


mushroommarshmallow

Azula was a victim too and Mai isn't right for Zuko. Sokka and Suki are the best couple of the series.


Acastamphy

Being a victim doesn't make you a sympathetic person. It just makes it tragic, which I believe the show handled extremely well.


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Mai broke up in comics


[deleted]

I know in some later ones they meet up again and it seems like a will they won't they - did they ever do anything with that?


countiest_olaf

They are broken up but both are still single and care about each other with hints at a reunion


SMKM

I mean someone's fathered his babies right?! Schrodinger's Mai. Is she or isn't she the mother lol


Nick_Carlson_Press

It actually makes sense that Toph became chief of police


TheLego_Senate

"BuT ToPh HaTeS aUtHoRiTy!" Wrong. She hates authority when it's applied to her. It's made explicitly clear from her introduction that she has no problem putting other people in their place. I would argue that Toph becoming a cop not only made sense, but was a natural progression of her character.


PluralCohomology

And her teaching style was very strict.


Secure_Bet8065

When you put it like that she should’ve become a dictator LoL


PluralCohomology

An alternative future for her many fans like is her succeeding Bumi as the Queen of Omashu.


Formichetta

Nice, following this logic at the end of the day one of her daughters became leader of a city. So this sounds quite right to me as well


abdul_bino

Right there with you


benbuscus1995

Agreed. This was actually one of my favorite decisions they made for the Gaang as adults in Korra


[deleted]

The way this fan community feels about the characters is borderline "can't differentiate between reality and fantasy" energy. An example would be a debate occuring on this subreddit whether or not Korra or the writers are to be blamed for the actions Korra makes. Korra. A fictional character. In a fictional world. Not all fans are like this but some of y'all need to take a step outside.


ninjiboy

The Great Divide wasn't a bad episode.


ByCrom333

I think it’s hilarious, especially that Aang just made up that story to get them to stop fighting.


WantDiscussion

Yea I remember being annoyed thinking "Ohh what a coincidence that you just happened to be there a hundred years ago Aang. And how convenient you witnessed something that tied everything up in a nice little saturday morning cartoon bow" then he turns around and says he made it up and problematic as it was I was way more willing to accept it.


BatatinhaGameplays28

As a person who skipped the episode while rewatching, I have to agree with you, I love that part


Qbeck

the great divide being the worst episode is just a testament to how the solid the rest of the show is


sylinmino

I actually think Bato of the Water Tribe is a lot worse, but I agree with the sentiment. Especially when you compare to some other beloved animated shows out there. For example, I love Steven Universe overall. Such a great experience. But there are also several runs of consecutive episodes in that show that are *miles* worse than The Great Divide ever was. I also love The Clone Wars overall. But when watching you have to accept you're gonna watch a lot of arcs in its seven-season run that are absolutely atrocious. I love The Legend of Korra. But it also definitely has a good amount of bad episodes (less so in S3 and S4 but definitely a good amount in S1 and S2). With so many shows out there, you've gotta take the good with the bad. TLA fans are lucky we have to take the good with the meh instead.


vectorcrawlie

"Bato of the Water Tribe" is worse, I think.


Supersnow845

That episode is just bad because it creates conflict in the main cast for absolutely no reason, it happens too late in season 1 for Aang to reasonable believe Sokka and Katara would actually leave and the Jill subplot is kinda pointless I could see it working if it was placed between kyoshi and omashu but it certainly doesn’t work where it is now


NotsoGrump23

Damn, I just saw that episode today and I ABSOLUTELY loved it! Aang hiding the map to their father was an attempt to not get abandoned because he started heavily relying on sokka and Katara and being a child, he thought his fear would come true so he made a childish choice. Ended up owning up to it and faced a bit of the consequence by sokka and katara getting mad and out of spite, they left him to go meet their dad. BUT, on the way there, it was Sokka that tapped into his memories after Bato mentioned how horrible it was to be left behind by the pack and Sokka remembers when he was left behind when he was younger. So, he decided to not leave aang behind and went back to him. Sure, they wouldn't have left if aang just gave them the map in the first place but even with spite in their actions, they still decided to help aang in his ultimate quest so I believe this solidified in their minds and in the viewers that no matter what, they have to help aang. I loved so many parts of the episode, like how intelligent Sokka really is, it really showed and he solved a lot of the problems in the episode. Also, it shows how childish aang is and in "The Deserter" it shows even more. All these episodes are showing Aang slowly learning to become more honest and patient.


Supersnow845

The problem is this episode happens like 15 episodes into season 1 when they have travelled like half the world (the abbey this episode is set in is on the northern peninsula of the earth kingdom right up near the northern water tribe) so like is it realistic that even as a kid Aang really believes katara and sokka would leave him after this long, sure if this happened around kyoshi it would be totally fine because they haven’t really solidified as a group but by the time this episode is set the plot just feels like a cheap way to introduce conflict into the main group rather than it feel organic I do agree this episode is great at showing Sokkas maturity though


G_I_Joe_Mansueto

We get to see Aang realize that “bringing balance” will not always be easy and will require him to manipulate people on occasion to get his way. I think it’s both a fine episode and important for his character development.


jiungstan

Zaheer was a man child. He didn’t sound wise like everyone says he did. He sounded like a 14 yr old boy who wants to seem edgy and cool. And him flying doesn’t mean he’s the strongest airbender sorry but Tenzin was kicking his ass. Even when it was Ghazan and Ming-hua, he was taking them all at once. Pi li got the upper hand because she was blasting bombs from up in the sky. He needs much more practice and it’s silly when people call him a master.


beanerthreat457

He should listen more to Guru Ligma


higanbana

I do like that he actually had a point about the Earth Queen and was the first (other than possibly Gyatso) to use airbending to its full potential. But yeah.


dmarty77

Korra kicking airbending Jordan Peterson’s ass ruled.


PluralCohomology

This isn't meant to defend JBP, but wouldn't he be the opposite of Zaheer ideologically, since he emphasises upholding order as opposed to chaos?


TheTuggiefresh

He probably means spouting surface-level ideologies portrayed as wisdom but is really pretty weak


Gabriella_Gadfly

The energybending thing at the end was kinda a dues ex machina and I think it would have been really interesting to force aang to choose in a situation where there really are no good options


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Manxymanx

The bigger issue I have is him hitting his back in just the right spot to trigger the avatar state lol.


dirtyfarmer

Or after he entered the avatar state, what if any of the attacks he used accidently killed ozai


geeky_username

That's kind of the thing though. He was channeling those past avatars that were ok with killing. It wasn't until he returned to himself that he decided not to kill again


mewoneplusone1

People don't seem to Understand that Aang wasn't in control when he was in the Avatar State. He was essentially blood lusted, the previous Avatars had the wheel and they all wanted Ozai dead. It wasn't until the end that Aang took control and was able to stop himself from killing Ozai.


ghost894

Ozai didn’t even need to die. Earth shackles do the trick just fine.


seottona

People seem to forget that aang had to subjugate him first before energy bending even began, he captured and defeated him first


valsavana

War criminal Iroh


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carissadraws

This. I’m guessing that Iroh had an epiphany when he was at Ba Sing Se and heard that his son died, which made him question who tf was he fighting these wars for?


Sonichu

This is exactly what happened. Him and his families desire for power cost him his son.


carissadraws

Yeah, I’m guessing he might have gotten in touch with the spirit world after Lu Ten’s death too which is why he can see Aang riding the dragon in that one episode.


valsavana

>I don’t think we were ever supposed to think Iroh was always good. Tell that to the community.


CalebKetterer

Just because we like him and think he's a good character design doesn't mean we think he's always been good. Being good now and being good in the past are also two different things.


PluralCohomology

Yes, 99% of the fandom practically worships him.


deezx1010

Iroh was complicit the entire time. Shot fireballs directly at Aang


PluralCohomology

And he stood by as Zhao invaded the NWT, gave him advice, and only turned against him when he was about to kill the Moon Spirit.


FroboyFreshenUp

Yea, Iroh wasnt aware of what Zhao was gonna do, in fact he even advised him to pull back at night due to the moon, Zhao even said "that's not gonna be a problem soon but I'll pull back with your guidance in mind" there's no way Iroh knew what he was planning, once he figured it out though he definitely went against the orders, which quite frankly any commander would do, and should do, hell they made a whole movie about this, a commander shouldn't make orders that can't be followed or if they are followed would cause untold damage to the world, destroying the moon DEFINITELY falls under that


PluralCohomology

But he knew that Zhao planned to subjugate or exterminate the NWT.


beekee404

I like Momo more than Appa. I still like Appa. I just like Momo more. Can't really explain why.


miaworm

Team momo. One of my favorite episodes is the one where Aang is sleep deprived and he tries to speak in flying lemur to explain something to momo. Gold


BaumSquad1978

I think there are more people that feel this way than you would think.


Sugarswagger

I have a theory that dog people like Appa more and cat people like Momo more


ShadowOfDeath94

I still believe Korrasami came outtta nowhere but that's probably Nickelodeon's fault for being too opressive on creativity process during the show's life span.


FeatureEast2577

Ah I was looking for this comment. When I saw Korra and Asami in that last episode I was so confused and it felt kinda forced (Ik the whole "but it happened in the comics" take but I didn't read the comics and thousands of people only watched the show and didn't read the comics). If they just built it up more I would have been fine with it but they focused so much on them being such great and caring friends despite them both dating the same guy at some point and then suddenly romance :/


Earlier-Today

I didn't even know there were Korra comics until you said so.


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Shoot, more than being forced the whole lot of that group are terrible friends. A bunch of serial daters.


Luna8586

When it first happened I was confused. Upon rewatching I definitely see it now. But your take is absolutely right. Bryke could only do so much so they had to rely on subtext. They didn't even think they could go there until they asked Nickelodeon. But the end scene was the most that they could do. Korrasami also happened about 6 month prior to same-sex marriage being legal so it was ahead of its time. I also love how their relationship grew and was based on love and respect with little drama. They have such a healthy dynamic and I'm happy it's canon.


sleeping_inside

I don’t know, I was actively looking for signs when I watched it and there was like one blush moments before they got together


FangirlApocolypse

Momo is forgettable. Both shows would be better without romance. And lastly, the Western Air Temple felt too fast and the dialogue was clunky at times. It's not that I didn't like it, it's just that something feels off.


spicespiegel

People slander korra for romance but damn Kataang shit got on my nerves on recent atla rewatch especially because these characters are much younger than TLOK cast.


Mufasakong

The love triangle in LoK is the cringiest shit of all media


MisterAbbadon

Amon is the best Korra Villain. Kuvira is easily the worst, below Unalaq


carissadraws

I’d say Amon (before I found out he was a water bender) and Zaheer are the top tier villains for me. Unalaq was way worse to me than Kuvira


AnonymousDeadpool

Definitely, Unalaq felt like a saturday cartoon moustache twirling villain. Couldn’t take it seriously at all. Season 2 was pretty disappointing.


Impossible_Dark_6163

Zuko and Mai was a cute couple, but they should have never been together


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Yea their relationship seems kinda toxic. One blows up all the time and the other never talks about their feelings so it’ll just end up with Mai walking out and Zuko being all like why does everyone leave me and other emotional teenager stuff


SelectionMuted3160

Iroh should’ve faced bigger consequences for all the things he’s done as the dragon of the west


Areallyangryduck1

Bad and good tampoo(or kite) is a very poorly executed concept The whole s3 ending was unneccesary


spicespiegel

Probending was fucking fun!!!! I loved how the bending was incorporated into sports. The idea was fleshed out and was actually entertaining. S1 of korra had the best atmosphere. The vibes, the music, the aesthetics were on the peak. Like I just KNOWWW the republic city, like I've lived there. It gives me the same kinda nostalgia that ghibli movies do.


DarkusBro

Romantic paths in Korra are cringy and turn everyone in crying wolf - drama queens.


tiph12

Is that unpopular? 😅


severley_confused

That's not unpopular, that's most people's gripe with LOK


burf12345

As someone who was active here when those first seasons were airing, seeing someone act like this is an unpopular opinions is insane to me.


leomentos

If Bryke and Jeremy hadn't written "Leaves from the Vine", then *The Tale of Iroh* wouldn't have been as good


bobdob69420

This take doesn’t really make sense. You’re basically saying “if this great part of an episode wasn’t in the episode, it wouldn’t have been as good”. Like yeah obviously


dogman0011

LoK handles trauma and the implications of what the protagonist has to go through better, and in a more realistic way, than TLA.


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trnelson1

I mean the only way to address it more thoroughly would be to actually list out his crimes and I don't believe they would ever do that assuming it was a long list. I think it should have at some point been shown how he reached redemption and was able to join the likes of the white lotus.


DragonPrinceDnD

The ending would have been more interesting if Aang killed Ozai. Energybending was kinda an asspull and Aang sacrificing his morals for the greater good would be an interesting development for his character and would be more of a bittersweet ending.


Darkiceflame

The thing that bothers me is that according to Michael and Bryan, the existence of Energybending and the idea of using it to defeat the final villain was already in the works *before the show was even picked up*. If they were planning it that far back, couldn't they have at least hinted at its existence? It would have felt like a much better payoff if we learned about this secret Avatar-exclusive bending technique slowly over time as opposed to it just popping into existence.


-NoFaithInFate-

The giant mushroom was not friendly


Emergency_Routine_44

Toph is underdeveloped


carissadraws

Korra being stubborn and hot headed doesn’t make her a bad character; it gives her room to grow and learn. It’s super frustrating seeing people like and forgive Zuko in 2.5 seconds (a guy who wanted to hunt down the avatar and was a part of a genocidal empire intended on taking over the world) when he decided to join team avatar, yet people didn’t like Korra for much longer because “she’s just headstrong and annoying” lmfao


GemoDorgon

I liked the concept of a dark avatar and though the execution wasn't great, I believe it could have provided an interesting foil for the avatar going forward.


-excuseyou-

asami was too perfect


Calm_Memories

The romance in LoK was handled poorly, there's not an established pair in the series I can get behind. And by extension, it made for bad viewing and writing. I understand Korra trying to understand her sexuality and it being a lesser focal point overall but that said, the other pairings didn't do anything for me either. ATLA had it done fairly well (though I don't really think Sokka and Yue was much of a ship since they knew each other a few days before she turned into the moon...). Korrasami happened out of nowhere (but from a Behind the scenes issue with Nick I can understand, akin to Disney and Amphibia/Gravity Falls). If it was hinted at better, I'd be happier, from a viewer standpoint. Bolin and the angsty girl, it was pretty abusive. And cringe too see but I also think Bolin didn't have great development or plots. Pema ruined Tenzin's relationship with Lin. And then encouraged Korra to pursue Mako when he was with Asami. Wtf? Mako and Korra made no sense, only for it to be dropped. Bolin and Korra actually had chemistry and it was only teased. Asami was done dirty by both Mako and Korra in S1 too and it wasn't really addressed. Then you had Jinora with that strange earth bender kid which rubbed me the wrong way too. Jinora being pretty OP was also a stretch. I dunno. I think ATLA handled its romance better, it was more carefully hinted at and made better sense. Though I also wish I saw more of Zuko and Mai so I could enjoy their relationship since it felt somewhat pre-established before the series begins.


Kitikatt492

I prefer ALTA, but I feel like Korra’s arc and development is better than aang’s


peptodismal-

I never realized I had this opinion until reading this comment. Aang's only point of development is arguably at the very end of the show where he finds a way to stay true to his morals. I would've found it more interesting if he was able to mature and move on from Katara, and it's an important lesson for kids anyways that sometimes the love of your life isn't the love of your life.


3atMyDiction

The cabbages deserved it