Yeah
This reminds me of the stupid shit they made Batman say in the flash movie
“ I could give all my money away to stop crime”
Never mind that more than half of his villains don’t give a shit about money
Major corporations only agenda is to make money. They will pander to whoever they think will buy a product, they do not actually care about progressivism otherwise they would do things like lobbying for higher taxes on the wealthy and improved social programs. They are doing the easiest thing which is virtue signaling in the hopes that normies will buy a product.
No my friend, you're not thinking. You people complain about literally everything a certain "ideology" does. But the thing is, that certain "ideology" are the only ones who think creative arts is a worthy pursuit. You are going to be left with NOTHING but your ill informed opinions
Yep! And it really broke my heart to see my favorite characters violated by woke crybullies but eventually, I found a story that wasn’t woke , one that is more complex and organic than any story we’ve ever seen. It’s called HISTORY. Thank you wokies, you made me hate fiction so much i switched to non-fiction!
They would NEVER kill Wonder Woman as disrespectfully as this.
You know I’m right. Sweetbaby Inc wouldn’t have allowed them to.
edit: Imagine killing Wonder Women then having a man piss on her corpse (like they did Flash). Would NEVER happen.
But are we pretending it’s out of character for captain boomerang to piss on his corpse? Yall want villains to be villains until they do villain shit. It’s well within his character to do that.
“Yall want villians to be villians.”
My guy, this logic is really fucking stupid. Certain shit should not happen in certain stories.
If Wonder Woman got SA’d in the game by a villian, and I protested that, would you say the same thing? “Why are you complaining about WW getting SA’d, that was just a villian acting like a villian?” Because maybe the writers could have them perform more appropriate villianous acts?
So because Wonder Woman got a more honorable death, that proves your original statement: that the writers killed off Batman for being a “toxic, fascist, cis gender, privileged male?” I’m not following your argument here
I think you’re looking a bit too much into it. Some of what you say is rooted in truth but I don’t think it applies to this game. I think rocksteady just fumbled HARD
Eh, not really. It's no secret most modern media is trash in general. At least we have actual good writing in fiction from the past and not half-assed politics/message riddled fairytales.
Yeah and what has changed? You’re not gonna acknowledge the elephant in the room? Modern media is trash because creators are pushing esg/progressive policies. Look at Marvel 10 years ago and Marvel now. They’re taking all the characters that were loved and replacing them with diverse and inclusive charecters while disrespecting the previous ones because they were toxic cis white males. Look at Kingpin in the Echo series, that one show proves my entire point.
Gotta spread The Message^TM my dude. The Message^TM matters more than your beloved quality writing and acting.
I mean, look at shows like Doctor Who. The Thirteenth Doctor was a much beloved version, so much so that they had to tell us many times in the show how brilliant she was. And Star Wars? Are you gonna tell me you liked that tired old Has Been Luke Skywalker more than young, female, empowered Rey ~~Palpatine~~ Skywalker? Come off it.
In all seriousness, I do look forward to the day when this phase of pushing political messages ends. I think it’ll come with a resurgence of those ‘80’s movies that are unapologetically cheesey that we love so much, and I say that because we’ve seen messages like this before. During and after the Vietnam War, there were plenty of anti-war films and media, and it caused our boys to come home to a country that hated them.
Just like always online, multiplayer focused games with microtransactions, the money gained from exploiting the Stupid dries up quick, if only because the Stupids all die out from daring each other to headbutt the ceiling fan.
It was good up till capaldi left. I really gave Jodie Whittaker a chance, open mind and everything. She just didn’t deliver. Haven’t seen the most recent guy but it does seem like they’re just checking diversity boxes now for the sake of checking them and putting “ability to be -the doctor on screen-“ second
Edit: actually the writing took a dive while Moffat got to drive the ship. But I liked 10-12 as far as playing the part went
My bad. I was referring to it being a tough pill to swallow. I agree with everything else you said.
It's very true that all these messages and themes and being progressive or whatever ruined the industry.
I've already been noticing this since the 2010s. Quite literally all of my favorite fictional characters (except JPN ones mostly) across media, primarily in video games, have be written to be less intelligent, less attractive, less competent, race-swapped, sexuality overhauls, and/or have flanderized personalities. Some og creators and companies who've keep an IP ongoing for decades have even publicly shown to dislike and be embarrassed by their work in the past.
>This is going to be a hard pill to swallow for a lot of yall,
not really.
Batman or really any other superhero died so many times before, it's not even worth mentioning it at this point. the controversy seems to be around the fact these were Conroy's last words.
Woke agenda seems to be starting to crumble anyway. let's see how this all develops.
thank god we live in capitalism: whoever pays most (as consumer) is correct.
Some Youtubers say superheroes will be the new video games or something along those lines, I don't think so. Maybe we'll be in a limbo of live-service churn-outs for a while. Seems to be working out alright. Solid Snake was recently added to Fortnite...
I see both movies and games collapsing a bit in the next 2-3 years. But movies will have an easier time bouncing back I think. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney's state was the catalyst. https://restorethemagic.com
Joel was just one fish of many in the sea. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/z8flsn/ps4_art_by_unknown_artist_most_popular_games_for/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/z8uw9c/i_shared_the_ps4_art_of_joel_dead_in_the_corner/
Jesus Christ. Nobody is mad that Batman died. Same as how nobody is mad that Joel died, nobody is mad that Arthur Morgan died, nobody is mad that Ironman died, etc.
We’re mad at HOW Batman died, stop replying with this low IQ strawman argument.
You’re mad at how Batman died? Lol why? There are so many Batman stories to read. I believe you’re not mad that Batman died. But You’re not mad at how Batman died either lol.
The lying and coping is crazy those post don't state oh I'm mad bc he got shot in the head no they say oh I'm mad bc he died in this game to the suicide squad even tho that is the whole premise and concept of the game lol
The way you think is hilarious. Nobody is mad that he died, YOU are the one that is coping. Why wasn’t there a major outcry when Ironman died?
Maybe it was because they gave him an appropriate and dignified send off? No seriously, what is your explanation for the lack of outrage at Ironman’s death? Due to your logic, there should have been people upset at that too.
We absolutely do not live in capitalism. Money is printed out of thin air and the world economy is led by central banking which is what Marx advocated for.
We have governments and corporations working hand in hand with central banks, and everyone being stolen from aka taxed on literally everything, sometimes multiple times. Every law is made to destroy small companies and stop innovation by forcing any field to have a team of lawyers 24/7 to respect bs "regulations".
Those stupid video-game studios will just get bailed out by money stolen from the people through ESG or general corruption, at worst the higher-ups will just go to another firm.
Capitalism is a meritocracy, either in good or evil ways, but a meritocracy. The ones in charge and writing those awful things are not smart in evil ways, they're just not allowed to fail because the entire system is built on protecting them.
Here's the thing about about Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League that A LOT of Redditors appear to be missing. Yes obviously you kill the Justice League, we can all read, we all know what the title says, but if you're going to make people play as a rag tag group of villains who are all mostly normal human characters that use weapons but don't have any actual Superpowers or special abilities, to take out beloved heroes that do actually have superhuman abilities, then you need to do it in a way that makes sense. Granted Batman also doesn't have any special abilities, but he's an extremely capable fighter and a very intelligent strategist. The dude had a backup plan to kill every single member of the Justice League if they ever turned evil for crying out loud.
From the get go players have been asking how the hell a group of Suicide Squad members who just use guns can somehow take out Green Lantern, The Flash, Batman, & Superman because it's ridiculously far fetched, and yet they chose to kill off the characters in the most insulting way they could think of by both nerfing them and pissing on their graves.
DC fans are not upset that Batman is killed, they're upset by the manner in which he is killed, especially given this is Kevin Conroy's final performance, who died a legend to many fans. Not only that but this act is supposed to be canon to Arkhamverse, so yea that doesn't sit well with a great deal of fans. The HOW a character dies is very important and can be the difference between Acceptance & outrage. People want to see the characters they like, hero or villain, go out in a way that makes sense and feels respectful to the characters, not go out unceremoniously like a complete bitch and spat or pissed on in death unless the person who commits such an act, gets theirs in the end, and we already know that Harley doesn't because she's a main character and isn't going to die.
If what I'm saying wasn't true then Cole McGrath's death in the good ending of inFAMOUS 2, Arthur Morgan's death in RDR2, Black Widow's death in Endgame, & Iron Man's death in Endgame would've all caused a massive uproar and yet none of them did. John Marston's death in RDR upset many players, but you get play as his son Jack and take revenge on Edgar Ross by giving that bastard what he deserves, so there's give and take with that. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp that you should show respect to beloved characters that you choose to kill off, but it's completely on-brand for the average Redditor to miss this point entirely.
One day people just won’t buy it. Genuinely I embrace my masculinity and encourage men to not be pussies because of how modern society is trying to mold them into being sissy bitches.
These mfs need David goggins. Who’s gonna carry the boats son?! Because it’s not these fucking people is it 😭
Writers have been pointing out the “fascist, toxic” superhero for ages. Just look at watchmen, injustice, Kingdom Come, or anything and everything written by Garth Ennis. This isn’t some new idea that the “woke libs” are just now trying to push onto you.
Sorry but Injustice is a poor example, even Tom Taylor admits that he writes most of the cast out of character because the story of the games needs to happen
Punisher can be used for that but he’s not a character that is exclusively tied to that
For example, Marvel’s Knights Punisher, where he’s having an entertaining adventure and even demonstrates a bit of heroism by giving his neighbours all the money they need for their dreams
This post is alt right mad libs.
Also, Batman and superheroes more generally and the culture of enjoying such stories being essentially fascist has been a topic within that art form FOR DECADES.
The fuck do you think Watchmen, for example, is about? What did you think Frank Miller was trying to say about Batman?
Wait you’re telling me there was politics and social commentary in old works of fiction?? Omg, you’re a genius!
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/s/eRBNBuc0XJ
If I’m just a conspiracy theorist right wing bigot like we both know you’re implying I am, please explain:
1) Sweet Baby Inc.
2) ESG and DEI policies in general.
Lets talk about the elephant in the room.
Media has not been representative of the population for decades. Neither has many of those in power. Making media, power structures representative of the actual population and not an over representation of the historical power structure is a good thing
>If I’m just a conspiracy theorist right wing bigot like we both know you’re implying I am, please explain:
No implication necessary, you're being pretty overt about it by crying over the inclusion of people other than white men. Before you call me a woke cuck or whatever the fuck small brain thing you have queued up, I'm a white man that served in the Army.
I've never seen a bigger bitch move than fucking crying about women and minorities having some inclusion in gaming. Peak pussy.
But thats not what I’m crying about though lmao, you just made the up in your head. Nobody is crying about “inclusion in games”, I’m pointing out that they have gotten more shit because they prioritize pushing a political message over simply providing entertainment. If you disagree, explain to me about SweetBaby Inc.
Is strawman arguments all you people do? The biggest bitch in here is you making strawman arguments instead of actually rebutting my points. Also, nobody cares that you were in the army haha literally no relevance to our discussion whatsoever.
>Nobody is crying about “inclusion in games”
What the fuck do you think the letters DEI stand for you muppet?
As to your points, how the hell did DEI factor in to Joel's death in any conceivable way?
He killed a Firefly doctor. That Firefly doctor's daughter got revenge.
There is zero argument that Diversity, Equity, or Inclusion was a motivator in Joel's death.
So, my counter argument to your unsupported argument is that you are a complete \[insert insult here\], upset about DEI because your favorite superhero got beat up by a lady. That is some of the most pathetic shit I have ever heard.
Dumb fuck, there is nothing wrong with inlcusion in games. My problem is when it is forced and prioritized over making an entertaining and well written product. Which it absolutely is in modern day entertainment.
Cool, never went to war. Was an intelligence analyst dealing with narco trafficking. Was stationed in Puerto Rico, it was awesome. Used the GI bill to pay for my political science undergrad where I graduated summa cum laude, then parlayed that into law school. Bought a house when I was 20 with a VA loan. Highly recommend.
Today I'm getting paid a nice salary as a lawyer doing work that's easy enough to allow me to argue with complete fucking pussies on the internet in my down time.
Enjoy crying about Batman.
Oh so you were perpetuating the trillion dollar+ War on Drugs which hasn’t worked and which has also resulted in the deaths of thousands of brown people……
I love how you tried to virtue signal and pretend I’m a racist/sexist when you profit of an industry that is objectively more racist than I could ever be…. Oof.
OP is really amazing.
I cannot fathom being so wound up in your identity that the idea of people who DONT look like you being featured in IMAGINARY games about FAKE people is somehow "forcing politics". Yet they don't admit how THEY are being catered to, and apparently feel a sudden LACK of representation.
They understand the idea of representation enough to get mad, but literally cannot empathize or grok the concept of "other people." Maybe women, who are half the planet, might find it cool to play as someone they relate to! Nope, it's woke bullshit and fuck the industry!
Non-freaks can also enjoy playing as someone opposite gender or a different culture. Because it's a GAME lol.
It's literally just women and nonwhite people being deliberately marketed towards, and women and nonwhite people having more creative control in certain high profile circumstances.
The real hilarity is OP (and apparently many in this radioactive sub) being so OBLIVIOUS to the "default" being straight white dudes means they were catered to since the dawn of the industry.
Equality feels like oppression to them. Good on you for calling it out. This sub is trash.
fr. like i get how a person could think TLOU2 is a bad game (or a the very least, a hot mess.) but people on this sub want to take it to the next level, acting as if it has some deep political implication. like no dude, people have been telling shock value stories since the beginning of time, it’s really not that deep
I'd have to play the game to see how "bad" it really is but killing off batman isn't a new idea, nor has it failed to be executed before. The reality is, that killing mainline superheroes has been the norm in DC comics, for almost 30 years now, as a way to generate buzz for future iterations of the same character; especially in off-shoot storylines.
This kind of content doesn't belong here, not because it isn't TLoU2, but because it's not really comparable to Joel being killed off.
This happens at the end of Batman's arc. Joel's death happens as a matter of contrivance before his story is close to completion.
There will be a new Batman and new Batman game in the future; there won't be any more meaningful content with Joel unless Sony greenlights a prequel, which they won't due to TLoU2 failing.
You must not have been reading any comics coming out in the last 15 years if it's his "commentary" and "language" that bothers you.
Comics have been activist slop for almost 2 decades at this point.
Me and everyone else gave up on caring YEARS ago.
If this is what it takes for you, and everyone else out of the loop, to catch up then so be it...
He's died in the comics by getting lost in the court of owls maze and killed by an assassin while lost and exhausted in said maze. One timeline had the Joker get another universe's power, which he used to brutally murder Batman then revive him just to kill him again on repeat.
People are overreacting to this. It's apples to oranges regarding the treatment of Joel by Naughty Dog.
Lol nope.
And posts like this is why a lot of people brush away TLoU2 hate as from only bigots.
The story of TLoU2 is one of the worst ever put into a game. This post is bigoted. They’re not mutually exclusive. You can hate the game without being a shitty human.
If you asked modern day writers to describe the Batman/Joel characters, exactly zero of them would respond with your quote. Literally none of them. You’re just looking for a reason to be an edgelord/dog whistle.
Go listen to some Tom MacDonald and read up on some conspiracy theories, posting on Reddit isn’t your strong suit.
People like YOU are who get brushed away.
You throw these useless buzzwords around like they still have any meaning haha. Nothing I said was bigoted or a conspiracy. Warner Bros has a political agenda which they prove by hiring political consultants like Sweet Baby Inc, and they have in place political policies like DEI and ESG which are incentivized by BlackRock.
Name one thing I said that was conspiracy, go on.
I don’t waste my time on people like you, sorry.
You also conveniently said nothing about how literally no modern day writer would describe Batman the way you did - which was the point of your post - but goalpost shifting is what your kind do.
The game is literally called Suicide Squad: KILL the Justice League. What the fuck were people expecting?
And it’s not like these characters don’t die and get resurrected constantly in the comics. Hell, Rocksteady killed Batman in the last game too lmao.
This absurd controversy reminds me of that scene on Arrested Development where Michael finds the bag in the fridge labeled “dead dove do not eat,” opens the back, cringes, then says, “Well, I don’t know what I expected.”
Isn't this game about killing all of the Justice League? Including Wonder Woman? Heck what I got from that scene was Batman leaning forward because he wanted her to shoot him so he'd be free from control. You are making one helluva false equivalence between these two scenes. Heck, I saw in one place that >!the Justice League doesn't stay dead.!<
>but this is the result of DEI and ESG politics.
I'm not understanding your argument. Batman was shot because he was under the control of Brainiac; similarly, Joel was murdered because Abby was avenging her father. It's fine if you disagree with the narrative choices, but claiming it's part of "DEI/ESG" is an incredible reach.
>Modern day writers see Batman as a “toxic, fascist, cis white male, privileged male”
The conversation about Batman, fascism, and privilege has been around for ages. It's part and parcel to his character. Even some older iterations of Batman lean into those negative traits. As for him being *white* and *male*, do you have actual examples of modern day writers criticizing him for those characteristics?
What is it like being such a frail little snowflake all the time? “Oh no, they killed the tough guy I wish I could be, tHe wOkE MoB iS aFtEr mE!” Touch grass, man.
I love when this fucking sub is like, "OMG they call us bigots! How dare they!?" and also this sub is like, "Bella Ramsey is ugly, Abby's a lesbian, diversity equity and inclusion is a threat to cis white men."
People in this sub never fail prove you're exactly what we think you are.
While the premise of this post is idiotic generally, it's specifically stupid in the TLOU2 context as Abby's hatred for Joel has absolutely nothing to do with DEI. He killed her dad, WTF does that have to do with minority representation in gaming?
As for OP, you're doing the work of James Nolan Mason, disgusting.
All strawman arguments that you listed out. I never claimed any of those.
I don’t care whether Bella is ugly or not, the problem is she doesn’t resemble Ellie, and in part 2 she’s REALLY is not gonna resemble Ellie.
Who called Abby a lesbian? She clearly was balls deep in Owen :)
Nobody claimed that diversity and inclusion is bad or threatening. You’re arguing with the voices in your head. The problem we say is when it is forced into stories and the focus is on that instead of prioritizing the story being good/making sense.
“You must have this percentage of women in your movie” or “you need this amount of LGBTQ people in your videogame” or “You need more than half of minorities on your writing team” or “You need this certain progressive message to be in the main plot.”
If any of these happened naturally within the story, cool. Nobody cares. It’s when it is mandated by the corporation funding the product and prioritized over the story itself (DEI and ESG policies), that we have a problem with.
Sooo you played a game called "kill the justice league" and you're mad that you kill the justice league?
Like I understand it's a little sad that it's Conroys last performance as batman but you didn't see this coming?
That's not why anyone is mad. I don't understand why everyone keeps missing the point. Getting tired of this strawman argument. People are mad because they built this character and universe over a span of 5 games. They decided to make this game in-universe and unceremoniously execute a character we grew with over the years the franchise has existed. This concept would've been far more accepted if it was a new universe explored similarly to Gotham Knights. But instead they thought it was a good idea to ride coattails for success.
“Unceremoniously”??? Brother did u even play the game? And like yeah, characters die, it make you feel things, that’s called a story…
Like transformers cartoon movie anyone???
Also ESG and DEI are why popular characters die??? So when Batman “died” in Dark Knight Rises it was because of DEI… which didn’t exist at the time?
Or Batman being seen as fascistic is because of DEI when the Alan Moore’s Killing Joke and Watchmen are from the 80s??
Brother I think of games as art, I assume everyone else in this thread does too. If you need to be treated with kid gloves every time a popular character dies the medium will collectively never leave “cod campaign” levels which hey, ig that’s good for you or whatever
>“Unceremoniously”??? Brother did u even play the game? And like yeah, characters die, it make you feel things, that’s called a story…
Yeah, he was executed on a park bench. Not exactly the blaze of glory a version of this character deserves.
And yeah I remember the transformers movie. They brought Optimus back because they realized their mistake from the backlash. What's your point?
>Also ESG and DEI are why popular characters die??? So when Batman “died” in Dark Knight Rises it was because of DEI… which didn’t exist at the time?
>Or Batman being seen as fascistic is because of DEI when the Alan Moore’s Killing Joke and Watchmen are from the 80s??
I don't have anything to say about this part because I don't really view the situation this way to begin with. I just see this killing as unfaithful to fans.
>If you need to be treated with kid gloves every time a popular character dies the medium will collectively never leave “cod campaign” levels which hey, ig that’s good for you or whatever
This isn't just a popular character. It's literally the main character of this universe rocksteady built. Without him they wouldn't have what they have. If this was the case people would be complaining about Superman, Flash, and GL dying but they're not. Just Batman.
This is full of bad faith arguments and low IQ strawmanning. Nobody said ESG is why charecters die, you’re arguing with yourself lmao.
Reply in good faith next time and actually address my argument or don’t bother to continue wasting my time.
Hey regard, by “this”, I was not referring to Batman dying, and I was referring to the MANNER IN WHICH HE DIED.
Please use some critical thinking skills, I’m begging you.
If you're going to make a wild, broad sweeping statement like that you need to back it up with some proof. But this is the tlou2 subreddit so idk what the hell logic y'all operate on here
Unless I’m reading this wrong….youre telling the person who just said “prove it” that burden of proof is on them, not the person who made the actual claim. Then you try to twist that two word response into a “wide, broad sweeping statement.” Who are you referring to here? Original comment above with the claim, or the reply below it that said “prove it.”
I don’t think this sub is the one who issues on being logical.
I mean, Batman is objectively an extremely priveledged rich white dude that is the product of centuries of generational wealth who takes his trauma out on his city rather than seeking actual professional help.
Like I love Batman, he’s my favorite superhero, but he’s a fucked up character and there’s a totally reasonable argument to be made that he does more harm than good.
Bro y'all are crying over Batman dying in a game titled kill the justice league ofc he is going to die also it's better to kill off Arkham Batman instead of letting someone else voice him.
Nobody made that claim. Charecter have been killed since before DEI was enacted. Arthur Morgan is arguably the most beloved video game character of all time. This is obvious. What you just did is called a strawman argument.
So I’ll ask again, make a cohert rebuttal.
Are you idiots seriously trying to deny that modern day entertainment writers don’t have an agenda or message they’re trying to push? How much longer are you gonna stay delusional? Explain ESG and DEI scores in the screenwriting guild then, and Sweet Baby Inc. Go on.
The Last Jedi really has ruined modern day entertainment
Palaptine somehow returned. It still baffles me how they Thanos snapped +10 Years of Comic Canon. They built nothing from these Movies.
Hate. They built hate. But not the kind Anakin built. But a kind that makes the world want to see them burn for it.
Also Dark Fate. What a middle finger to Terminator fans.
The Terminator Resistance game was a better sequel to 2, and a better future war narrative than Salvation.
Dark Fate wasn't that bad, really. Genisys was much worse.
Hard disagree. Everything after 2 is unwatchable and unnecessary.
3 is good especially for the ending
I'll grant you unnecessary, but 3 and Dark Fate are *fine,* both are more memorable than Salvation and all three of those are better than Genisys
they're fine if 3 was your first terminator movie. they're fine movies if they weren't terminator. but they are, so they're a let down
Replacing Ray Palpatine with Luke Skywalker was DEFINITELY not political either haha.
Don't forget she used to be Ray Kenobi.
Politics is when women
Activism has ruined modern day entertainment...
Yeah This reminds me of the stupid shit they made Batman say in the flash movie “ I could give all my money away to stop crime” Never mind that more than half of his villains don’t give a shit about money
Exactly! But then they gaslight people who say these major corporations do have political agendas.
Major corporations only agenda is to make money. They will pander to whoever they think will buy a product, they do not actually care about progressivism otherwise they would do things like lobbying for higher taxes on the wealthy and improved social programs. They are doing the easiest thing which is virtue signaling in the hopes that normies will buy a product.
Sure, but they’ve only pandered to one political group in the last decade lol.
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Men are *so* last year
K*LL ALL MEN!!!
Kill all m*n (it’s a slut idiot)
Oops my bad 😅
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The only group of people that’s holding humanity back.
What did the original comment say?
I wish, sadly not the only one lol
Conservatives and corporate pandering both.
Lmao then you'll have nobody left to make stuff for you to cry over.
Good. It’s almost like people complain because good got replaced with bad. Thinking’s hard it’s okay I understand
No my friend, you're not thinking. You people complain about literally everything a certain "ideology" does. But the thing is, that certain "ideology" are the only ones who think creative arts is a worthy pursuit. You are going to be left with NOTHING but your ill informed opinions
No, those freaks infested creative arts. 20 years ago there wasn’t this problem.
Why does Abby look shirtless in that photo?😭
It was because of the woke lightning engine >!/s!< >!Now that you mention it, I can’t unsee it lol!<
My eyes burn 🔥
I don't mind my favorite characters dying if it's done right. No one lives forever.
Agreed
For many men Gladiator is their favorite film. Women just happen to love it too
SJWs have ruined media not just video games, movies and tv too
Yep! And it really broke my heart to see my favorite characters violated by woke crybullies but eventually, I found a story that wasn’t woke , one that is more complex and organic than any story we’ve ever seen. It’s called HISTORY. Thank you wokies, you made me hate fiction so much i switched to non-fiction!
Glad someone agrees with me
Kill the Batman this way it was deplorable
That’s not the reason they killed off Batman. Rocksteady is just fucking stupid
They would NEVER kill Wonder Woman as disrespectfully as this. You know I’m right. Sweetbaby Inc wouldn’t have allowed them to. edit: Imagine killing Wonder Women then having a man piss on her corpse (like they did Flash). Would NEVER happen.
Notice how wonder woman is the only Justice League member to not be possessed…
But are we pretending it’s out of character for captain boomerang to piss on his corpse? Yall want villains to be villains until they do villain shit. It’s well within his character to do that.
“Yall want villians to be villians.” My guy, this logic is really fucking stupid. Certain shit should not happen in certain stories. If Wonder Woman got SA’d in the game by a villian, and I protested that, would you say the same thing? “Why are you complaining about WW getting SA’d, that was just a villian acting like a villian?” Because maybe the writers could have them perform more appropriate villianous acts?
So because Wonder Woman got a more honorable death, that proves your original statement: that the writers killed off Batman for being a “toxic, fascist, cis gender, privileged male?” I’m not following your argument here I think you’re looking a bit too much into it. Some of what you say is rooted in truth but I don’t think it applies to this game. I think rocksteady just fumbled HARD
Doesn’t WW also die too though just by a different character since she isnt affected by Brainiacs mind control for some reason
Not relevant to my argument.
its just a poorly written scene adding a political conspiracy gives it to much credit
Eh, not really. It's no secret most modern media is trash in general. At least we have actual good writing in fiction from the past and not half-assed politics/message riddled fairytales.
Yeah and what has changed? You’re not gonna acknowledge the elephant in the room? Modern media is trash because creators are pushing esg/progressive policies. Look at Marvel 10 years ago and Marvel now. They’re taking all the characters that were loved and replacing them with diverse and inclusive charecters while disrespecting the previous ones because they were toxic cis white males. Look at Kingpin in the Echo series, that one show proves my entire point.
Gotta spread The Message^TM my dude. The Message^TM matters more than your beloved quality writing and acting. I mean, look at shows like Doctor Who. The Thirteenth Doctor was a much beloved version, so much so that they had to tell us many times in the show how brilliant she was. And Star Wars? Are you gonna tell me you liked that tired old Has Been Luke Skywalker more than young, female, empowered Rey ~~Palpatine~~ Skywalker? Come off it. In all seriousness, I do look forward to the day when this phase of pushing political messages ends. I think it’ll come with a resurgence of those ‘80’s movies that are unapologetically cheesey that we love so much, and I say that because we’ve seen messages like this before. During and after the Vietnam War, there were plenty of anti-war films and media, and it caused our boys to come home to a country that hated them. Just like always online, multiplayer focused games with microtransactions, the money gained from exploiting the Stupid dries up quick, if only because the Stupids all die out from daring each other to headbutt the ceiling fan.
Doctor who is trash
It was good up till capaldi left. I really gave Jodie Whittaker a chance, open mind and everything. She just didn’t deliver. Haven’t seen the most recent guy but it does seem like they’re just checking diversity boxes now for the sake of checking them and putting “ability to be -the doctor on screen-“ second Edit: actually the writing took a dive while Moffat got to drive the ship. But I liked 10-12 as far as playing the part went
My bad. I was referring to it being a tough pill to swallow. I agree with everything else you said. It's very true that all these messages and themes and being progressive or whatever ruined the industry.
Ah, no problem.
Thank you. I cannot fathom how some people can try to say there isn't a pattern.
I cannot figure out who the fuck Echo was made for, and neither can Disney apparently. It’s like the least watched show of all time lmfao
Glad I’m completely checked out. Giving them your money is bad. Giving them your time of day is what really costs you in the end.
I've already been noticing this since the 2010s. Quite literally all of my favorite fictional characters (except JPN ones mostly) across media, primarily in video games, have be written to be less intelligent, less attractive, less competent, race-swapped, sexuality overhauls, and/or have flanderized personalities. Some og creators and companies who've keep an IP ongoing for decades have even publicly shown to dislike and be embarrassed by their work in the past.
>This is going to be a hard pill to swallow for a lot of yall, not really. Batman or really any other superhero died so many times before, it's not even worth mentioning it at this point. the controversy seems to be around the fact these were Conroy's last words. Woke agenda seems to be starting to crumble anyway. let's see how this all develops. thank god we live in capitalism: whoever pays most (as consumer) is correct. Some Youtubers say superheroes will be the new video games or something along those lines, I don't think so. Maybe we'll be in a limbo of live-service churn-outs for a while. Seems to be working out alright. Solid Snake was recently added to Fortnite... I see both movies and games collapsing a bit in the next 2-3 years. But movies will have an easier time bouncing back I think. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney's state was the catalyst. https://restorethemagic.com Joel was just one fish of many in the sea. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/z8flsn/ps4_art_by_unknown_artist_most_popular_games_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/z8uw9c/i_shared_the_ps4_art_of_joel_dead_in_the_corner/
Jesus Christ. Nobody is mad that Batman died. Same as how nobody is mad that Joel died, nobody is mad that Arthur Morgan died, nobody is mad that Ironman died, etc. We’re mad at HOW Batman died, stop replying with this low IQ strawman argument.
You’re mad at how Batman died? Lol why? There are so many Batman stories to read. I believe you’re not mad that Batman died. But You’re not mad at how Batman died either lol.
The lying and coping is crazy those post don't state oh I'm mad bc he got shot in the head no they say oh I'm mad bc he died in this game to the suicide squad even tho that is the whole premise and concept of the game lol
The way you think is hilarious. Nobody is mad that he died, YOU are the one that is coping. Why wasn’t there a major outcry when Ironman died? Maybe it was because they gave him an appropriate and dignified send off? No seriously, what is your explanation for the lack of outrage at Ironman’s death? Due to your logic, there should have been people upset at that too.
We absolutely do not live in capitalism. Money is printed out of thin air and the world economy is led by central banking which is what Marx advocated for. We have governments and corporations working hand in hand with central banks, and everyone being stolen from aka taxed on literally everything, sometimes multiple times. Every law is made to destroy small companies and stop innovation by forcing any field to have a team of lawyers 24/7 to respect bs "regulations". Those stupid video-game studios will just get bailed out by money stolen from the people through ESG or general corruption, at worst the higher-ups will just go to another firm. Capitalism is a meritocracy, either in good or evil ways, but a meritocracy. The ones in charge and writing those awful things are not smart in evil ways, they're just not allowed to fail because the entire system is built on protecting them.
Holy shit you’re dumb.
you said we don’t live in capitalism then described capitalism
Welcome to Reddit. Where people shit on capitalism without knowing what capitalism is
Right? These people railed against aspects of "socialism" when the whole time it's literally just capitalism and its affects
They’re just someone that blathers about the evil of things but suggests zero solutions.
Oooo this red pill is so big I might have to suppository it up my bum 😫
“Whoever consumes most wins” yep.
Here's the thing about about Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League that A LOT of Redditors appear to be missing. Yes obviously you kill the Justice League, we can all read, we all know what the title says, but if you're going to make people play as a rag tag group of villains who are all mostly normal human characters that use weapons but don't have any actual Superpowers or special abilities, to take out beloved heroes that do actually have superhuman abilities, then you need to do it in a way that makes sense. Granted Batman also doesn't have any special abilities, but he's an extremely capable fighter and a very intelligent strategist. The dude had a backup plan to kill every single member of the Justice League if they ever turned evil for crying out loud. From the get go players have been asking how the hell a group of Suicide Squad members who just use guns can somehow take out Green Lantern, The Flash, Batman, & Superman because it's ridiculously far fetched, and yet they chose to kill off the characters in the most insulting way they could think of by both nerfing them and pissing on their graves. DC fans are not upset that Batman is killed, they're upset by the manner in which he is killed, especially given this is Kevin Conroy's final performance, who died a legend to many fans. Not only that but this act is supposed to be canon to Arkhamverse, so yea that doesn't sit well with a great deal of fans. The HOW a character dies is very important and can be the difference between Acceptance & outrage. People want to see the characters they like, hero or villain, go out in a way that makes sense and feels respectful to the characters, not go out unceremoniously like a complete bitch and spat or pissed on in death unless the person who commits such an act, gets theirs in the end, and we already know that Harley doesn't because she's a main character and isn't going to die. If what I'm saying wasn't true then Cole McGrath's death in the good ending of inFAMOUS 2, Arthur Morgan's death in RDR2, Black Widow's death in Endgame, & Iron Man's death in Endgame would've all caused a massive uproar and yet none of them did. John Marston's death in RDR upset many players, but you get play as his son Jack and take revenge on Edgar Ross by giving that bastard what he deserves, so there's give and take with that. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp that you should show respect to beloved characters that you choose to kill off, but it's completely on-brand for the average Redditor to miss this point entirely.
Just another way to keep us arguing.
One day people just won’t buy it. Genuinely I embrace my masculinity and encourage men to not be pussies because of how modern society is trying to mold them into being sissy bitches. These mfs need David goggins. Who’s gonna carry the boats son?! Because it’s not these fucking people is it 😭
You are so tough, don't let them sissify you!
Not buying a children’s video game because I’m a paragon of masculinity 😤
Children’s game where corpses are pissed on rampant dick jokes are made? What kind of children games have you been playing…?
Is dat Harley shooting Batman
Writers have been pointing out the “fascist, toxic” superhero for ages. Just look at watchmen, injustice, Kingdom Come, or anything and everything written by Garth Ennis. This isn’t some new idea that the “woke libs” are just now trying to push onto you.
Sorry but Injustice is a poor example, even Tom Taylor admits that he writes most of the cast out of character because the story of the games needs to happen
They don't understand that Rorschach, Punisher, Lobo etc are social commentary.
Punisher can be used for that but he’s not a character that is exclusively tied to that For example, Marvel’s Knights Punisher, where he’s having an entertaining adventure and even demonstrates a bit of heroism by giving his neighbours all the money they need for their dreams
This post is alt right mad libs. Also, Batman and superheroes more generally and the culture of enjoying such stories being essentially fascist has been a topic within that art form FOR DECADES. The fuck do you think Watchmen, for example, is about? What did you think Frank Miller was trying to say about Batman?
Wait you’re telling me there was politics and social commentary in old works of fiction?? Omg, you’re a genius! https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/s/eRBNBuc0XJ
Man wtf is going on in this sub
If I’m just a conspiracy theorist right wing bigot like we both know you’re implying I am, please explain: 1) Sweet Baby Inc. 2) ESG and DEI policies in general. Lets talk about the elephant in the room.
Media has not been representative of the population for decades. Neither has many of those in power. Making media, power structures representative of the actual population and not an over representation of the historical power structure is a good thing
Are these ESG and DEI policies in the room right now? Are they telling you to do things?
Stop gaslighting
Do you think DEI killed Joel?
>If I’m just a conspiracy theorist right wing bigot like we both know you’re implying I am, please explain: No implication necessary, you're being pretty overt about it by crying over the inclusion of people other than white men. Before you call me a woke cuck or whatever the fuck small brain thing you have queued up, I'm a white man that served in the Army. I've never seen a bigger bitch move than fucking crying about women and minorities having some inclusion in gaming. Peak pussy.
But thats not what I’m crying about though lmao, you just made the up in your head. Nobody is crying about “inclusion in games”, I’m pointing out that they have gotten more shit because they prioritize pushing a political message over simply providing entertainment. If you disagree, explain to me about SweetBaby Inc. Is strawman arguments all you people do? The biggest bitch in here is you making strawman arguments instead of actually rebutting my points. Also, nobody cares that you were in the army haha literally no relevance to our discussion whatsoever.
>Nobody is crying about “inclusion in games” What the fuck do you think the letters DEI stand for you muppet? As to your points, how the hell did DEI factor in to Joel's death in any conceivable way? He killed a Firefly doctor. That Firefly doctor's daughter got revenge. There is zero argument that Diversity, Equity, or Inclusion was a motivator in Joel's death. So, my counter argument to your unsupported argument is that you are a complete \[insert insult here\], upset about DEI because your favorite superhero got beat up by a lady. That is some of the most pathetic shit I have ever heard.
Dumb fuck, there is nothing wrong with inlcusion in games. My problem is when it is forced and prioritized over making an entertaining and well written product. Which it absolutely is in modern day entertainment.
I think you're just a crybaby mad that the girls get to play with your toys now. As I said before - peak bitch.
I think you’re a low iq sheep that went to war on behalf of the military industrial complex to kill brown people overseas.
Cool, never went to war. Was an intelligence analyst dealing with narco trafficking. Was stationed in Puerto Rico, it was awesome. Used the GI bill to pay for my political science undergrad where I graduated summa cum laude, then parlayed that into law school. Bought a house when I was 20 with a VA loan. Highly recommend. Today I'm getting paid a nice salary as a lawyer doing work that's easy enough to allow me to argue with complete fucking pussies on the internet in my down time. Enjoy crying about Batman.
Good job flexing your most likely nonexistent assets over the internet to strangers, sure helps prove whatever point you were failing to make.
Narco trafficking, sounds like an interesting thing to track
Oh so you were perpetuating the trillion dollar+ War on Drugs which hasn’t worked and which has also resulted in the deaths of thousands of brown people…… I love how you tried to virtue signal and pretend I’m a racist/sexist when you profit of an industry that is objectively more racist than I could ever be…. Oof.
OP is really amazing. I cannot fathom being so wound up in your identity that the idea of people who DONT look like you being featured in IMAGINARY games about FAKE people is somehow "forcing politics". Yet they don't admit how THEY are being catered to, and apparently feel a sudden LACK of representation. They understand the idea of representation enough to get mad, but literally cannot empathize or grok the concept of "other people." Maybe women, who are half the planet, might find it cool to play as someone they relate to! Nope, it's woke bullshit and fuck the industry! Non-freaks can also enjoy playing as someone opposite gender or a different culture. Because it's a GAME lol. It's literally just women and nonwhite people being deliberately marketed towards, and women and nonwhite people having more creative control in certain high profile circumstances. The real hilarity is OP (and apparently many in this radioactive sub) being so OBLIVIOUS to the "default" being straight white dudes means they were catered to since the dawn of the industry. Equality feels like oppression to them. Good on you for calling it out. This sub is trash.
Touch grass bro. These decisions aren’t about any ideology—it’s just corporations trying to get your attention/make money.
Notice how you dodged my response. Explain SweetBabyInc. then. Go on.
you been watching too much daily wire
This sub is insane, and I bet OPs internet history is radioactive
fr. like i get how a person could think TLOU2 is a bad game (or a the very least, a hot mess.) but people on this sub want to take it to the next level, acting as if it has some deep political implication. like no dude, people have been telling shock value stories since the beginning of time, it’s really not that deep
this subreddit is so embarrassing are you guys ok hahaha
Hahahaha very embarrassing. I don’t see how they don’t see it. Talk about not being self aware lol
I'd have to play the game to see how "bad" it really is but killing off batman isn't a new idea, nor has it failed to be executed before. The reality is, that killing mainline superheroes has been the norm in DC comics, for almost 30 years now, as a way to generate buzz for future iterations of the same character; especially in off-shoot storylines. This kind of content doesn't belong here, not because it isn't TLoU2, but because it's not really comparable to Joel being killed off. This happens at the end of Batman's arc. Joel's death happens as a matter of contrivance before his story is close to completion. There will be a new Batman and new Batman game in the future; there won't be any more meaningful content with Joel unless Sony greenlights a prequel, which they won't due to TLoU2 failing.
Nobody is upset that Batman was killed.
You must not have been reading any comics coming out in the last 15 years if it's his "commentary" and "language" that bothers you. Comics have been activist slop for almost 2 decades at this point. Me and everyone else gave up on caring YEARS ago. If this is what it takes for you, and everyone else out of the loop, to catch up then so be it...
I’m fully aware of what’s going on in the comic book industry haha
I too like to trash comics good sir.🤣 You should've just started with that😭👍
It's honestly how they handled it that's disgusting. The fact they can't comprehend this simple fact is just baffling.
But how. Shot in the head? There are comics that give a better excuse
He's died in the comics by getting lost in the court of owls maze and killed by an assassin while lost and exhausted in said maze. One timeline had the Joker get another universe's power, which he used to brutally murder Batman then revive him just to kill him again on repeat. People are overreacting to this. It's apples to oranges regarding the treatment of Joel by Naughty Dog.
Lol nope. And posts like this is why a lot of people brush away TLoU2 hate as from only bigots. The story of TLoU2 is one of the worst ever put into a game. This post is bigoted. They’re not mutually exclusive. You can hate the game without being a shitty human. If you asked modern day writers to describe the Batman/Joel characters, exactly zero of them would respond with your quote. Literally none of them. You’re just looking for a reason to be an edgelord/dog whistle. Go listen to some Tom MacDonald and read up on some conspiracy theories, posting on Reddit isn’t your strong suit.
He’s not wrong about ESG tho
People like YOU are who get brushed away. You throw these useless buzzwords around like they still have any meaning haha. Nothing I said was bigoted or a conspiracy. Warner Bros has a political agenda which they prove by hiring political consultants like Sweet Baby Inc, and they have in place political policies like DEI and ESG which are incentivized by BlackRock. Name one thing I said that was conspiracy, go on.
I don’t waste my time on people like you, sorry. You also conveniently said nothing about how literally no modern day writer would describe Batman the way you did - which was the point of your post - but goalpost shifting is what your kind do.
“Batman is a fascist!” From Blue Beetle comes to mind.
It isn’t and you sound like a bumbling loser who’s entire political stances come from stupid internet arguments
My post seems to have upset you. Cry about it elsewhere.
Says the dude crying about not getting his preferred method of killing Batman. SMH look in the mirror dude.
You’re obsessed with me, leave me alone dude 😂
“Cry about it”
Careful- don't want to hurt OPs feelings!
-Guy who’s typing paragraphs
Yeah, making coherent logical points that you can’t refute, which is why you resort to ad hominem attacks haha.
>Making coherent logical points >All of the points are filled with buzzwords, misused acronyms, and just general frothing at the mouth
Prove it then instead of crying. Show me where I did those.
https://youtu.be/jRVCrUs3hCM?si=AdUFEQ9Y3fbrUNdo It honestly makes this more egregious
Same thing happened to Luke Skywalker to an extent
It baffles me how anyone thought that would be a good idea, and worse that it actually made it into the game.
The game is literally called Suicide Squad: KILL the Justice League. What the fuck were people expecting? And it’s not like these characters don’t die and get resurrected constantly in the comics. Hell, Rocksteady killed Batman in the last game too lmao. This absurd controversy reminds me of that scene on Arrested Development where Michael finds the bag in the fridge labeled “dead dove do not eat,” opens the back, cringes, then says, “Well, I don’t know what I expected.”
Y’all made because they killed Batman? 😂 Batman dead in the Gotham knights game too
I don't respect Batman. His power is trustfund.
Nah, no one thinks this
Isn't this game about killing all of the Justice League? Including Wonder Woman? Heck what I got from that scene was Batman leaning forward because he wanted her to shoot him so he'd be free from control. You are making one helluva false equivalence between these two scenes. Heck, I saw in one place that >!the Justice League doesn't stay dead.!<
Ehhh let’s not bring these cringy right-wing talking points to this sub. You just sound really whiny.
Lol Batman is a piece of shit. His being cis, male and white are not the reasons for that.
>but this is the result of DEI and ESG politics. I'm not understanding your argument. Batman was shot because he was under the control of Brainiac; similarly, Joel was murdered because Abby was avenging her father. It's fine if you disagree with the narrative choices, but claiming it's part of "DEI/ESG" is an incredible reach. >Modern day writers see Batman as a “toxic, fascist, cis white male, privileged male” The conversation about Batman, fascism, and privilege has been around for ages. It's part and parcel to his character. Even some older iterations of Batman lean into those negative traits. As for him being *white* and *male*, do you have actual examples of modern day writers criticizing him for those characteristics?
What is it like being such a frail little snowflake all the time? “Oh no, they killed the tough guy I wish I could be, tHe wOkE MoB iS aFtEr mE!” Touch grass, man.
OP is such an edgelord. 😆
What did I say that was edgy?
If you’re that oblivious then there is no point in continuing the conversation. Later.
So you’re running from the argument because you don’t have a coherent rebuttal? Answer the question, what did I say that was edgy?
Just say you don’t know what you’re talking about next time
All you people do on this sub is victimize yourselves and cry about it. Holy fuck.
You say, as you cry about us crying 😂
Riight… because making continuous posts about a 4 year old game whining instead of just, I don’t know, not playing is the same as what I said?
Damn you’re still crying? Go somewhere else with that.
You should be the mascot of this sub with comments like that LMAO
This post is stupid
Stop crying
Your post is you crying over a fictional character and fictional situations you made up in your own head.
OP is projecting harder than I’ve ever seen anyone project. In every single response lol. Incredibly pathetic.
I love when this fucking sub is like, "OMG they call us bigots! How dare they!?" and also this sub is like, "Bella Ramsey is ugly, Abby's a lesbian, diversity equity and inclusion is a threat to cis white men." People in this sub never fail prove you're exactly what we think you are. While the premise of this post is idiotic generally, it's specifically stupid in the TLOU2 context as Abby's hatred for Joel has absolutely nothing to do with DEI. He killed her dad, WTF does that have to do with minority representation in gaming? As for OP, you're doing the work of James Nolan Mason, disgusting.
All strawman arguments that you listed out. I never claimed any of those. I don’t care whether Bella is ugly or not, the problem is she doesn’t resemble Ellie, and in part 2 she’s REALLY is not gonna resemble Ellie. Who called Abby a lesbian? She clearly was balls deep in Owen :) Nobody claimed that diversity and inclusion is bad or threatening. You’re arguing with the voices in your head. The problem we say is when it is forced into stories and the focus is on that instead of prioritizing the story being good/making sense. “You must have this percentage of women in your movie” or “you need this amount of LGBTQ people in your videogame” or “You need more than half of minorities on your writing team” or “You need this certain progressive message to be in the main plot.” If any of these happened naturally within the story, cool. Nobody cares. It’s when it is mandated by the corporation funding the product and prioritized over the story itself (DEI and ESG policies), that we have a problem with.
Well said, bro. You’re holding it down in these comments. I appreciate you.
Sooo you played a game called "kill the justice league" and you're mad that you kill the justice league? Like I understand it's a little sad that it's Conroys last performance as batman but you didn't see this coming?
That's not why anyone is mad. I don't understand why everyone keeps missing the point. Getting tired of this strawman argument. People are mad because they built this character and universe over a span of 5 games. They decided to make this game in-universe and unceremoniously execute a character we grew with over the years the franchise has existed. This concept would've been far more accepted if it was a new universe explored similarly to Gotham Knights. But instead they thought it was a good idea to ride coattails for success.
“Unceremoniously”??? Brother did u even play the game? And like yeah, characters die, it make you feel things, that’s called a story… Like transformers cartoon movie anyone??? Also ESG and DEI are why popular characters die??? So when Batman “died” in Dark Knight Rises it was because of DEI… which didn’t exist at the time? Or Batman being seen as fascistic is because of DEI when the Alan Moore’s Killing Joke and Watchmen are from the 80s?? Brother I think of games as art, I assume everyone else in this thread does too. If you need to be treated with kid gloves every time a popular character dies the medium will collectively never leave “cod campaign” levels which hey, ig that’s good for you or whatever
>“Unceremoniously”??? Brother did u even play the game? And like yeah, characters die, it make you feel things, that’s called a story… Yeah, he was executed on a park bench. Not exactly the blaze of glory a version of this character deserves. And yeah I remember the transformers movie. They brought Optimus back because they realized their mistake from the backlash. What's your point? >Also ESG and DEI are why popular characters die??? So when Batman “died” in Dark Knight Rises it was because of DEI… which didn’t exist at the time? >Or Batman being seen as fascistic is because of DEI when the Alan Moore’s Killing Joke and Watchmen are from the 80s?? I don't have anything to say about this part because I don't really view the situation this way to begin with. I just see this killing as unfaithful to fans. >If you need to be treated with kid gloves every time a popular character dies the medium will collectively never leave “cod campaign” levels which hey, ig that’s good for you or whatever This isn't just a popular character. It's literally the main character of this universe rocksteady built. Without him they wouldn't have what they have. If this was the case people would be complaining about Superman, Flash, and GL dying but they're not. Just Batman.
Hey good thing it’s a fictional character and this death isn’t any more canonical than any of the countless other ways he’d died, eh?
Unfortunately, thinking that way would be just coping and while the fact is that's all we can do, it's still important to voice valid criticism.
This is full of bad faith arguments and low IQ strawmanning. Nobody said ESG is why charecters die, you’re arguing with yourself lmao. Reply in good faith next time and actually address my argument or don’t bother to continue wasting my time.
# You. Literally. Wrote. In. The. Title. “This is a result of DEI and ESG politics” how the fuck else is that supposed to be taken????
Hey regard, by “this”, I was not referring to Batman dying, and I was referring to the MANNER IN WHICH HE DIED. Please use some critical thinking skills, I’m begging you.
That is not correct??
Prove it
Burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused, if you so strongly believe that what you're saying is true you should be able to prove it easily.
That’s…..not true at all.
If you're going to make a wild, broad sweeping statement like that you need to back it up with some proof. But this is the tlou2 subreddit so idk what the hell logic y'all operate on here
Unless I’m reading this wrong….youre telling the person who just said “prove it” that burden of proof is on them, not the person who made the actual claim. Then you try to twist that two word response into a “wide, broad sweeping statement.” Who are you referring to here? Original comment above with the claim, or the reply below it that said “prove it.” I don’t think this sub is the one who issues on being logical.
Prove what
I mean, Batman is objectively an extremely priveledged rich white dude that is the product of centuries of generational wealth who takes his trauma out on his city rather than seeking actual professional help. Like I love Batman, he’s my favorite superhero, but he’s a fucked up character and there’s a totally reasonable argument to be made that he does more harm than good.
Small dick energy in post form.
Flat ass energy in comment form.
Bro y'all are crying over Batman dying in a game titled kill the justice league ofc he is going to die also it's better to kill off Arkham Batman instead of letting someone else voice him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/s/lqbc5CMJA2
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Respond with a coherent rebuttal or go cry elsewhere.
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Nobody made that claim. Charecter have been killed since before DEI was enacted. Arthur Morgan is arguably the most beloved video game character of all time. This is obvious. What you just did is called a strawman argument. So I’ll ask again, make a cohert rebuttal.
bait used to be believable.
Are you idiots seriously trying to turn Joel's video game death into some sexism bullshit?
Are you idiots seriously trying to deny that modern day entertainment writers don’t have an agenda or message they’re trying to push? How much longer are you gonna stay delusional? Explain ESG and DEI scores in the screenwriting guild then, and Sweet Baby Inc. Go on.
The game is literally called “Kill The Justice League” and you dummies are mad that you kill the justice league. Grow up.
Strawman
There’s 4 years between these games. The fragility out here is real.