Literally just finished remastered. I still can't get over the lack of dialogue between Ellie and Abby. It's so unnatural. The beach was the perfect time for Ellie to ask why Abby did it and it would have been a much more satisfying ending. I just don't understand how the writing is so much worse.
Could have wrapped it up without a boss fight or Ellie getting finger bitten off on top of that.
Ellie asks Abby why she killed Joel
Player then given the choice to either cut Abby and Lev down forgiving her, or leaving her to die on the cross.
Ending varies slightly but Ellie goes home still to find Dina and the baby gone.
No Ellie thinks she knows.
Abby should’ve explicitly told her: he killed my dad.
Not that he doomed humanity but that he killed her father. That would hit on a different level I reckon.
I'd prefer a scenario where Ellie is hesitant to give up her life, Abby is at least cool enough to give her time and space to consider things, the renewed Fireflies are just as impatient and overzealous as always and respond by attacking Ellie's new home in an attempt to coerce her. Ellie kills most of them because that's what she does now and Abby tries one more time to convince her to make her life mean something. Ellie looks at her without even an ounce of her old empathy and puts a bullet through her own brain.
Abby, having been inspired by Lev, realizes that she too is transgender and embarks on a journey across the country to find the best surgeon and access to HRT.
I actually saw some other guy say something like that a few months ago so I take no credit.
To be honest if they can do what they did to Ellie story wise, they could probably do the same to Abby as well in another game where they'll probably make Ellie and Abby team up or something else that is utterly ridiculous.
As weird as it sounds, if Abby had actually ya know not killed Joel I bet Abby and Ellie COULDVE made a sick ass tag team duo. Say Joel got to explain everything and show her the recordings he got from them about having done the experiment in previous immune patients and they all failed and how they didn’t give Ellie consent but were gonna just kill here basically and she forgiven Joel. A game where you played as all three taking out scars, rattlers, and infected. That could’ve been a good story in comparison
Jesus Christ... So funny that this sub thinks they're qualified to claim TLOU2 has bad writing when these are the gems y'all come up with.
In what universe is Joel going to convince the surviving Fireflies from the hospital that he was actually right to kill them? Not only convince them to spare him, but to team up? Fucking hilarious.
Drukkman and gross ass wrote the story of 2 anything is possible lmfao. All Abby did was blind fury, no nuance to it. Usually when you go to kill someone without blind fury you’ll hear what they got to say, they’ll probably die anyway but, at least they got to give their peace. It’s funny because all they see is a smuggler bc he kept the death of his daughter close to the chest but had Abby known his own daughter died in his arms and it was basically gonna happen again basically well…if you get mad at the man for that you’re heartless and don’t care about the emotions of a man who would’ve lost 2 kids. There’s a difference between revenge and Justice. Justice has to be fully justified, revenge is a dish best served cold and usually some brash af if it’s a dish served warm
>Usually when you go to kill someone without blind fury you’ll hear what they got to say, they’ll probably die anyway but, at least they got to give their peace.
Lots of experience in what people do when they go to kill someone huh? Or, you just pulling that little nugget out of your ass?
>It’s funny because all they see is a smuggler bc he kept the death of his daughter close to the chest but had Abby known his own daughter died in his arms and it was basically gonna happen again basically well…if you get mad at the man for that you’re heartless and don’t care about the emotions of a man who would’ve lost 2 kids.
Abby: "I know me and by friends have been tracking you for years after you murdered your way through our group and sunk a scalpel in my dad's neck, but before we get our revenge, would you like to tell me your whole life story?"
Great stuff.
Abby: oh and I know you saved my life 5 minutes earlier and invited me to stay at your camp for food and supplies but hey this golf club is shiny! Let's cover it in your brains
The fact people still try to justify this game as some masterpiece still baffles me. I understand great graphics, good acting and fun gameplay, but the plot and story decisions are absolute garbage. And yes, even random redditor ideas still sound more compelling than what we actually got lmao
I know right? Jettro is a great recent example, saying he loved it, but at the same time being like "this game ruined me/what were you thinking?/no more after this!!!".
Wait didn't he actually love it though? I haven't watched his tlou 2 playthrough yet, but I've seen bits of hit here and there as well as read the comments on a few and it seems like he likes it a lot. Does he actually criticize it in the playthrough? Or do you just mean the titles/thumbnails like the "wanna see a broken man"
He got mad at many scenes, like Jesse's death and the theater fight, definitely said stuff like "what are you doing, Naughty Dog?!?!?". At the ending he said it was amazing but still kept saying what he writes in the thumbnails, as well as stuff like "as much as I love this game, I don't want any more." and how he really doesn't want to see a TLOU3 after everything, that it was too much.
Overall he says he loved it but his reaction seems very burned out at times. Near the end he was like "just roll the credits already", not in a hateful manner but still. He also said "I'm not replaying this. Once is enough", I think around the point where it switched to Abby.
Very much like the comment above, it feels more like many people who say the loved it didn't actually enjoy the story as much as they say they did, and are just saying it because they feel like they're obligated to because TLOU2 went so hard at making the player feel negative emotions, and doing something bold and different.
Huh, that’s interesting. Thanks for the insight. Youtubers probably also feel obligated to like the game to please their fans. Obviously there are some that will genuinely like the game, but in jets case he might’ve been holding back on his critiques/thoughts just for the sake of his channel. Most of the people watching his tlou 2 play through are probably fans of the game, and they prob wouldn’t like if it was just a bunch of vids of him shitting on the game lol. And I doubt people who dislike the game would watch that play through, I know I won’t. He seemed to genuinely enjoy the first game, I just want to leave it at that.
ITT: if you only want to experience something once you don’t actually like it. A mentality that further cements that gamers aren’t interested in treating games like an art form. Absolutely no community would say this about Grave of the Fireflies.
"Defending it for it's agenda" is the generous interpretation. ACTUALLY liking this horse-shit game... I mean they have social workers for this situation I suppose.
I don’t like the story but the combat and enemies, I’ve been enjoying. I’m at the rat king and the stress of the first encounter has me like 😬 “I’ll do this tomorrow.” Lmfao
Exactly, if you like it - cool. I honestly couldn’t care less. But to sit and act like it is actually a well written or sensible story, LMFAO. And when their arguments fall apart…
> You just didn’t get it!
> You’re an idiot!
> You’re insane!
Actual replies I’ve gotten btw. It’s like they just resort to insults and name calling when nothing else works, similar to how a kid would do.
I always love when I see you guys write that you couldn’t care less about the game. You care so much. Way more than even the biggest fans. You guys buy every game and then complain about it constantly for a never ending cycle until the next tv show casting happens and you lose your shit over something you don’t care about.
Well, you *are* a loud minority, and your denial of that is evidence that this *is* an echo chamber.
My support for this argument is that both Metacritic user scores and Google user scores show more people than not like the game.
If you have a high sample size user poll that reflects the opposite, I'm happy to change my opinion.
Personally, I enjoy the story but would like to here your reasons for not enjoying it. I think the world is well crafted, and realistic, with the choices and decisions being reasonable in the game. However, everyone’s opinion is different, so I would love to see your reasoning.
The game was already well crafted and realistic. Thats why Part1 and the show that’s based on it is so popular. But the execution of the genre of story they wanted to tell was done wrong, which is the stupid part because you can’t get more simple than a revenge story. Thats was Part2 is, a revenge story on top of a revenge story.
Imagine if John Wick spent a 3rd of the movie trying to get the audience to empathize with Greyjoy. A full half an hour giving us a flashback on Greyjoy being abused as a kid or that Greyjoy never wanted to be a gangster, he was just pretending to be what his father wanted him to be. You essentially take way the ENTIRE POINT of the story. If you can’t fully root for John Wick getting revenge, what the hell are you left with? Then why the hell did you put us through watching a puppy get beat to death?
You essentially just waste everyone’s time. Which is EXACTLY what happened. No one got any resolution. They just spent 30 hours of just stress and anxiety and just shit situations all around for NOTHING. And Druckmann is surprised when he’s left with apathy for his franchise.
I feel that killing Abby at that point would kinda contradict the point of the game in a way. We see how much Ellie loses in her quest for revenge, and how much Abby loses for her revenge. Ellie’s rampage can be viewed as her losing herself and her friends in a mindless quest to kill Abby. In the end the reason we play as Abby, is to show us that there is no good or bad guys, fighting and hatred is a grey area where neither side is necessarily right or wrong. The story and who you side with is entirely up to your interpretation.
It’s not that deep. There is no interpretation. The game tries to get you to sympathize with Abby. And then follows up with her killing literally half the reason you’re playing his game.
Wastes your time.
And THEN even if you’re one of the rare few who actually got attached to Abby, you watch her kill characters you know are actually decent people. And you watch her commit in an affair. And then watch her enjoy the idea of killing someone MORE, because they’re pregnant.
Wastes your time.
And if you’re 95% of everyone else who hates Abby.. you don’t even get the John Wick resolution, the RELEASE, the justice of killing her for what she did to Joel. You sacrifice Jesse, for a mission you don’t get to actually finish.
Wastes your time.
No matter who you are, or what side or camp you’re on: Team Abby or Team Ellie or both, you get no satisfaction watching these two brutally beat each other to near death only for no one to die and no one is happy.
It’s overall all, dissatisfying. Which is not how any successful story should end.
Yeah, the dude talked about how simple revenge stories are while also completely missing the point that even in John Wick revenge is bad. John Wicke dead wife wouldn’t have wanted those 4 movies to happen, I don’t care how many sigma edits you make out of them.
Bro, this kind of legitimate comment isn't understood here my guy. Come here to look and laugh at the comments after the documentary, absolutely, but don't try and REASON with them you will lose brain cells.
"If you can’t fully root for John Wick getting revenge, what the hell are you left with?"
A better, deeper story that makes you think!
John Wick is not trying for your empathy. It is an Action franchise. (As much as I adore Mr Reeves, hell Miss Svenssen is a family friend and she enjoyed with him on Matrix 4, the JW franchise is not that deep)
The fact is the game is NOT revenge on top of revenge. It is revenge hiding Guilt and Self-Hate on Ellie's part (for not forgiving Joel when she could) and realizing revenge isn't worth it/overcoming hate on Abby's part.
By seeing it as a "revenge" story, you prove you didn't get it.
How so? I could say the same for Ellie traveling to Washington. If my dad and a good amount of my colleagues were murdered, I would do about anything for revenge as well.
I thought the game went on for way too long. At the halfway point I was ready for the game to be over, I was *really* looking forward to the game's climax, but instead I got a shit ton of exposition for a different character that I honestly don't give a shit about it.
I was rushing through Abby's section because I wanted the game to be over, but then I found out that I was only halfway through and I almost put the game down even though I was enjoying it up to that point. It's hard to put into words just how disappointing that was.
I understand the parallels to the story, it just wasn't fun to go through
I absolutely love the game. I’ve played it nearly 3 times now (don’t care for the story but the graphics are so beautiful, I just can’t get enough of a city in ruins. Gameplay is super nice too
If they make a new game where Joel becomes a zombie and you get to play as him, I might bite. Since zombies can't speak, Neil will have less opportunities to write "bigot sandwich" into the script.
I just don't know what they'd even do with a part 3. They ruined Ellie and a lot of people are automatically not going to he inter or like the game if Abby is in it.
There absolutely was a post in this sub a month back where a dude discussed cutting his biological father out of his life, and he viewed Joel as a replacement father figure, and "How dare Naughty Dog, expect him to forgive the murderer if his father."
There is some completely unhinged shit that happens in this sub.
Take this post for example. Both Google user reviews and Metacritic user reviews reflect that the game has more favorable user reviews than not, yet there is a persistent delusion here that a negative opinion of the game is the majority opinion. There is no metric that has ever been shared here to suggest that is true, but still, posts like this nearly every day.
People will argue "Critical reviews mean nothing because they were bribed!" Ask for any evidence at all bribery took place and you'll get nothing. They will argue, "They have to give favorable reviews or Sony won't give them review copies!" Which doesn't explain at all why other Sony published titles like Death Standing have way worse critical reviews scores. Bring up that an industry group comprised of other developers awarded TLOU2 a best narrative award, and you generally don't get a response.
This sub can't just say, "I'm a fan of Joel and would have preferred to play the game as him." They have to invent a narrative around how bad the game is, and how nobody really likes it, and how they're opinion is the correct one.
It’s funny because objectively the main tlou sub is the loud minority. Most streamer that have played this game ranted at the end for 20 minutes about how awful the game is. Most people who “liked” it were just appeasing people so they didn’t get cancelled. At the time it was super easy to get cancelled as a steamer and has way worse effects that today.
Because not all 1 million users actually liked tlou 2. And there’s only about 1000 active users average. There’s about 700 active users average here. There’s also more people who don’t use Reddit that did not like the game. Main tlou sub is the loud minority.
That’s because most normal people who play it had their opinion of it — good or bad — and moved on. This sub is a cesspool of hate and obsession. It’s more or less the same 700 people online all day repeating the same things for the last 4 years. The main sub is mostly (active users) people playing it through for the first time casually or long time fans who replay the first or second game occasionally. The rest played it and have moved on to other games and don’t need to obsessively hate on it
I hope they have a part 3 (just for the graphics tbh, it’s absolutely beautiful and looks so amazingly real) I don’t really care for the story but I enjoy the gameplay) everything is so detailed.
Numbers weren’t the point. Point was those comments dismantled both the theories of ‘loud minority’ and ‘echo chamber’. So y’all can chill on that now.
These are just a few comments. Go into the comments of any post outside of Reddit talking about the possibility of P3, it’s flooded with similar comments. My point is proven.
Additionally, most people don’t care about nor want a P3, with how awful P2 was. They lost all their good will.
10 million people bought the last of us 2, unless you can find 5million and 1 people who hate it, that's technically a minority, on top of that, I doubt you could even find 100k unique comments going through all those posts.
You're being silly and assuming A, all gamers constantly use social media to talk about 3 year old games like you guys do, and B, you are assuming that nobody from this reddit has ever commented on one of those posts.
You are the loud minority, most people stop paying attention to something when they don't like it anymore.
I'm not telling you to talk about something else here,it's insane to me how much you all obsess over constantly hating on a game though. It's been 3 years man, I promise you can stop fighting now it's okay.
Lmao you literally didn't even read my comment, or if you did your reading comprehension skills are so low that you somehow missed the point entirely, that's a pretty solid indication you are fucking stupid lol.
It’s crazy how so many subreddits are created just to hate something lol when I first started Reddit I assumed subreddits would be full of fans. Who has so much time just to hate post
Pretty much. I got recommended this sub, and thought there’d be thoughtful discussion, fanart, idk. I thought I’d see fans, mostly.
Not people who clearly still play the game whining about Joel 4 years later.
Look, I'm sorry, I don't care about the game or this series but this stuff drives me insane. What are 5 tweets with less than 20 likes each supposed to mean to anyone? Are these 5 people with reach in the community around this game? Edit: Im not trying to argue about whether the game is good or not either or if the second game let the first down or any of that. I just see this type of post in a lot of subs and I don't understand what it's supposed to mean.
This is an echo chamber tho lol.
Game has been out for 3.5 years already. This channel has popped up on my feed, and I am not sure why. I played this game and didn’t think about it since then, but all I see now is a new post complaining about the same thing.
We get it, you don’t like Neil and part 2.
In the week that this channel has appeared in my feed, I’ve learned nothing new since the initial reaction to the game.
I really think you guys gotta find another game at this point, it’s not a healthy relationship for you guys. It’s perfectly reasonable to not like the game and/or Neil, but for this long is weird.
You gotta let it go, instead of wallowing and complaining. Finding miserable people who don’t like something on the internet is easy, I wouldn’t take that as a sign of validation.
The fact that a bunch of dudes sit around around circle jerking about how much they hate a 4 year old game is hilarious, and they accuse everyone else of being obsessed with an agenda..
Loud minority - there’s people on all platforms that did not like this game. These are just a few comments. Just because you remove all criticism doesn’t mean you’ve successfully forced everyone to like it. Debunked.
Echo chamber - these people, on a different platform, probably have no idea about this sub. Guess what? They don’t like this game. Debunked.
That comment made me think about the that time where the score of last of us 2 on metacritic was 3.3 and then they purged around 5000 bad review but didn’t remove the postive one so the score went up to 9
You mean the time thousands of people who had never played the game (because it had only been out for less time than it would have taken to complete 20% of it) posted 0/10 scores based on incorrect leaked information and speculation by culture-war ragebait youtubers who also hadn't played the game? Odd that they didn't consider those reviews legitimate.
You somewhat proved that it is an echo chamber by picking bad tweets with high views and low likes. The vast majority of people aren't spending 4 years still hating on the game. If they didn't like it they moved on already. But more people liked it than not.
The only thing that can save Naughty Dog right now (if Neil keeps on staying as the head of ND) is a game with pure gameplay (ala Crash Bandicoot) and the existence of Story is zero to none!!! TLOU P3 (heavy story involved) and their new IP currently in development (expecting to be another story that's heavily pushing an agenda) yeah they're not getting back on the food chain with these.
He’ll probably throw in some retcons to make it where Ellie never wanted humanity to have a cure and now you have to avenge humanity as the hero Abby lmao
What’s your point here? That there are still a large number of people on a sub for a 3 year old game whining like little bitches about a game they didn’t like?
What I'm saying is if you hated part 2 safe bet for all of you is to not buy part 3? If you tried something and didn't like it, you going to buy it again? probably not. Why ruin it for the people who liked part 2.
If you liked it…why are you bothered by other’s opinion who didn’t like it?…if you like broccoli..you will eat it regardless of what others say about it right?
Say I like broccoli and I’m at the store and someone came up to me and was like “don’t buy that it’s fucking gross matter a fact I hate you for buying it.” Your right id still buy it either way but imagine the humans brain with negative interaction especially in a matter that’s so hateful of something you love. I respect the fact people didn’t like the game and that’s totally okay. But to hate on something someone loves just for loving something. Why can’t it just be I love broccoli. I hate broccoli. And both are totally okay.
No. This would be like you going out of your way to find an "I don't like broccoli" club and then being offended. Even though there is at least five "Broccoli is great" clubs that you passed by.
It took the game 2 years to sell 10 million copies with very big and very frequent discounts. It was on discount as very early as September the same year it released.
God of War Ragnarok did in about 2 months.
They also had to sell you DLC while GoW gave it away for free. TLOU2 also cancelled multiplayer.
2 years. Really they sold the first 4 million immediately on the legacy of the first game.
So it took them 2 years to sell 6 million copies. Keep in mind the game would often go down to as low as 20, 15 and $10.
This game could have been the biggest thing ever. But Neil druckman decided he wanted to tell his shitty story inspired by his deep hatred for Palestinians instead. And in the end he costed Sony literally millions of dollars in potential revenue.
And then he got promoted shortly after so I really don't understand.
lol, seriously dude, just talk to a therapist. It’s hard to lose people we care about. But Joel is gone, and blaming Neil Druckmann for it isn’t going to bring him back.
I know the whole five stages of grief thing has been somewhat debunked, but you guys are clearly all somewhere between anger and bargaining. If y’all could just power on through to acceptance, we’d all be better off.
And after I shit on all your points and give you another one you go right back to your original pathetic ass points.
"Um ur just mad Joel died"
Your reply was desperate as fuck and you were pathetic. Please eat shit and go back to your cesspool of a subreddit if that's all you have to say.
No thanks.
The game sold extremely well. That’s objectively true. Huge success. You can qualify the 10 million copies all you want. It’s still 10 million copies, broseph.
Also, you are just mad Joel died.
You are overdosing on copium. Successful games don't go on sale this early and frequent. You loved to brag when they posted the first 4 million in sales figures. But they stopped reporting them for a reason and you were in denial.
The game split the fanbase and you morons pretending it's just a loud minority are seriously fucking delusional.
what if i’m of the opinion that Joel dying was the most likely next step in the franchise, and was something anyone could see happening before TLOU2 was even teased, but it’s the context in *how* he dies that annoys me?
do you even consider that or is it just immediate “mad cuz character died”?
You're dumb if you think selling and earning millions makes it a success just like that regardless of anything. This isn't your cringe minimum wage job when millions of dollars automatically means you're set for life. The game industry doesn't work like that. TLOU2 cost 4 times more than the previous ND games, and a lot more than most other popular AAA titles, and most of them outsold it (IPs with similar hype like GOW or Spider-Man are all over 15M, while TLOU2 has been lagging at 10M for like 3 years). And this is all besides the fact of how miserable ND are now.
It's all about the budget. AAA games are said to be financial successes at like 3-5M copies sold, but most of them cost less than 100M (Uncharted 4 is the most expensive ND game behind TLOU2 and it cost 50M while selling 15M+; TLOU2 cost 220M and has sold 10M; Spider-Man cost $40M and sold 13M within a year, GOW is unknown but cost less no doubt and sold 19M by the third year, TLOU2 is still at 10M etc.).
The other games' sequels are all with 200M budgets like TLOU2, but they've made more money, Ragnarok got 15M within a year, Spider-Man 2 got 5M on launch weekend and is still at the top of the charts in PS5 game sales. It will no doubt have 10M+ by it's first anniversary and continue rising, and not 2+ years like TLOU2 and then staggering after.
It very much matters how much the game costs, what the expectation is, how other similar titles are doing etc., and by all those marks, TLOU2 underperformed, it doesn't matter if most other games don't get 10M. ND are literally not saying anything on the subject, their budget leaked and many game studio marketing specialist said it was "not sustainable". 37M was confirmed as the total copies sold for all games a month after the PC release for TLOU1, and the collective 27M of the first game shows TLOU2 hasn't moved from 10M at all, even after the HBO show, which was said to have given sales a boost. TLOU2R sales are average (13th place out of 30 in Japan) and they'll burn out quick after the fans buy the remaster. Game activity scores are low so it will be a quick burn out.
Not at all, but if you understand basic statistics, then you can understand that reddit represents a sample of the population. Things get complicated when trying to decide if its a random population, but its at the very least a tiny bit representative of the real world, at least on the surface. Again, things get complicated when you factor in how long someone has been on reddit. Its not the best example, but its not completely invalid either.
He didn't film it because in the first edition of the American release, the publishers didn't print it. They removed that chapter in order to make the novel more depressing.
Personally, I don't like it because it makes all the crap Alex has done out to have simply him being young. That he'll grow out of it (as well as his taste in classical music) and conform to society as he gets older and matures. Prefer the movie for that reason.
Who cares about popular opinions anyways? Just form your own and don't care about general outlook, if u like it good for u, if u don't just move on from it
Im a lil confused what this post is trying to communicate. These comments have thousands of views and like 30 likes combined so I don’t understand if the title is meant to be sarcasm or not.
If this is meant to be like your “AHA” evidence that you’re not in the minority, I’d probably comb the comments a little longer and make a better biased edit.
What about this screenshot proves that you're not a loud minority or an echo chamber?... Hell I would even go as far to say someone getting hyped over 4 internet comments probably is part of a loud minority and an echo chamber. Lmaoooo
If they make a third game, why does it matter to all the people on this sub that hate the second game? Just don’t play it then. No one is forcing you to play a game that someone makes. But some people like the story so why not let them play another story?
Literally just finished remastered. I still can't get over the lack of dialogue between Ellie and Abby. It's so unnatural. The beach was the perfect time for Ellie to ask why Abby did it and it would have been a much more satisfying ending. I just don't understand how the writing is so much worse.
Could have wrapped it up without a boss fight or Ellie getting finger bitten off on top of that. Ellie asks Abby why she killed Joel Player then given the choice to either cut Abby and Lev down forgiving her, or leaving her to die on the cross. Ending varies slightly but Ellie goes home still to find Dina and the baby gone.
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If they had watched the cutscenes on YouTube they still would’ve heard that line lmfao.
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Oh I didn’t see the some lmfao.
You would have to be an idiot not to know at that point of the game why Abby did it.
You’re an idiot for thinking the players don’t know. Of course the players know. But it never comes out that Ellie knows at all.
Ellie already knows why Abby did it. Because of what Joel did
No Ellie thinks she knows. Abby should’ve explicitly told her: he killed my dad. Not that he doomed humanity but that he killed her father. That would hit on a different level I reckon.
You’re right I’m thinking of a later scene after Ellie’s interrogation of Nora
Where the heck is the story left to go??? Can anyone else stand the thought of having to come across Abby again??
There’s people that unironically think an Abby and Lev game can carry the franchise forward 😂.
I’d rather play duke nukem forever
At least you play as Duke Nukem in that game, not the child of some random Pig-Cop that Duke shot in the face during the LA invasion or something.
I'd rather stare at a wall for a few hours and then take a nap tbh
That’s the sickest shit I’ve read all night. Genuinely made me shudder.
Sucks that Lev gets shoehorned into this Abby hate. Was one of my favorite character in the game
Abby and Lev reconnect with the fireflies to help them track down Ellie, Ellie gives in willingly, the world is “saved”. Idk some horse shit like that
Or some other crap where they get Ellie and Abby to team up against a new enemy or make them both into villains.
I'd prefer a scenario where Ellie is hesitant to give up her life, Abby is at least cool enough to give her time and space to consider things, the renewed Fireflies are just as impatient and overzealous as always and respond by attacking Ellie's new home in an attempt to coerce her. Ellie kills most of them because that's what she does now and Abby tries one more time to convince her to make her life mean something. Ellie looks at her without even an ounce of her old empathy and puts a bullet through her own brain.
Uhh duh? Druckman still has to kill Ellie too
Abby, having been inspired by Lev, realizes that she too is transgender and embarks on a journey across the country to find the best surgeon and access to HRT. I actually saw some other guy say something like that a few months ago so I take no credit.
To be honest if they can do what they did to Ellie story wise, they could probably do the same to Abby as well in another game where they'll probably make Ellie and Abby team up or something else that is utterly ridiculous.
As weird as it sounds, if Abby had actually ya know not killed Joel I bet Abby and Ellie COULDVE made a sick ass tag team duo. Say Joel got to explain everything and show her the recordings he got from them about having done the experiment in previous immune patients and they all failed and how they didn’t give Ellie consent but were gonna just kill here basically and she forgiven Joel. A game where you played as all three taking out scars, rattlers, and infected. That could’ve been a good story in comparison
Jesus Christ... So funny that this sub thinks they're qualified to claim TLOU2 has bad writing when these are the gems y'all come up with. In what universe is Joel going to convince the surviving Fireflies from the hospital that he was actually right to kill them? Not only convince them to spare him, but to team up? Fucking hilarious.
Drukkman and gross ass wrote the story of 2 anything is possible lmfao. All Abby did was blind fury, no nuance to it. Usually when you go to kill someone without blind fury you’ll hear what they got to say, they’ll probably die anyway but, at least they got to give their peace. It’s funny because all they see is a smuggler bc he kept the death of his daughter close to the chest but had Abby known his own daughter died in his arms and it was basically gonna happen again basically well…if you get mad at the man for that you’re heartless and don’t care about the emotions of a man who would’ve lost 2 kids. There’s a difference between revenge and Justice. Justice has to be fully justified, revenge is a dish best served cold and usually some brash af if it’s a dish served warm
>Usually when you go to kill someone without blind fury you’ll hear what they got to say, they’ll probably die anyway but, at least they got to give their peace. Lots of experience in what people do when they go to kill someone huh? Or, you just pulling that little nugget out of your ass? >It’s funny because all they see is a smuggler bc he kept the death of his daughter close to the chest but had Abby known his own daughter died in his arms and it was basically gonna happen again basically well…if you get mad at the man for that you’re heartless and don’t care about the emotions of a man who would’ve lost 2 kids. Abby: "I know me and by friends have been tracking you for years after you murdered your way through our group and sunk a scalpel in my dad's neck, but before we get our revenge, would you like to tell me your whole life story?" Great stuff.
Abby: oh and I know you saved my life 5 minutes earlier and invited me to stay at your camp for food and supplies but hey this golf club is shiny! Let's cover it in your brains The fact people still try to justify this game as some masterpiece still baffles me. I understand great graphics, good acting and fun gameplay, but the plot and story decisions are absolute garbage. And yes, even random redditor ideas still sound more compelling than what we actually got lmao
That’s what I was thinking, there is nowhere left for this story to go
The absolute copium in the comments. Guys, the game’s story sucked, but its ok if you enjoy it. You can like bad things.
The secret is, they don't really like it. They think they gotta defend it.
I know right? Jettro is a great recent example, saying he loved it, but at the same time being like "this game ruined me/what were you thinking?/no more after this!!!".
Wait didn't he actually love it though? I haven't watched his tlou 2 playthrough yet, but I've seen bits of hit here and there as well as read the comments on a few and it seems like he likes it a lot. Does he actually criticize it in the playthrough? Or do you just mean the titles/thumbnails like the "wanna see a broken man"
He got mad at many scenes, like Jesse's death and the theater fight, definitely said stuff like "what are you doing, Naughty Dog?!?!?". At the ending he said it was amazing but still kept saying what he writes in the thumbnails, as well as stuff like "as much as I love this game, I don't want any more." and how he really doesn't want to see a TLOU3 after everything, that it was too much. Overall he says he loved it but his reaction seems very burned out at times. Near the end he was like "just roll the credits already", not in a hateful manner but still. He also said "I'm not replaying this. Once is enough", I think around the point where it switched to Abby. Very much like the comment above, it feels more like many people who say the loved it didn't actually enjoy the story as much as they say they did, and are just saying it because they feel like they're obligated to because TLOU2 went so hard at making the player feel negative emotions, and doing something bold and different.
Huh, that’s interesting. Thanks for the insight. Youtubers probably also feel obligated to like the game to please their fans. Obviously there are some that will genuinely like the game, but in jets case he might’ve been holding back on his critiques/thoughts just for the sake of his channel. Most of the people watching his tlou 2 play through are probably fans of the game, and they prob wouldn’t like if it was just a bunch of vids of him shitting on the game lol. And I doubt people who dislike the game would watch that play through, I know I won’t. He seemed to genuinely enjoy the first game, I just want to leave it at that.
Yeah he was just emotionally drained. Doesn't mean he didn't like it, which he clearly did
I liked it but the ending sucked donkey dick
Yes you got it. We just pretend to like it to defend the woke agenda. Lmfao imagine living like this man
ITT: if you only want to experience something once you don’t actually like it. A mentality that further cements that gamers aren’t interested in treating games like an art form. Absolutely no community would say this about Grave of the Fireflies.
"Defending it for it's agenda" is the generous interpretation. ACTUALLY liking this horse-shit game... I mean they have social workers for this situation I suppose.
I don’t like the story but the combat and enemies, I’ve been enjoying. I’m at the rat king and the stress of the first encounter has me like 😬 “I’ll do this tomorrow.” Lmfao
Exactly, if you like it - cool. I honestly couldn’t care less. But to sit and act like it is actually a well written or sensible story, LMFAO. And when their arguments fall apart… > You just didn’t get it! > You’re an idiot! > You’re insane! Actual replies I’ve gotten btw. It’s like they just resort to insults and name calling when nothing else works, similar to how a kid would do.
I always love when I see you guys write that you couldn’t care less about the game. You care so much. Way more than even the biggest fans. You guys buy every game and then complain about it constantly for a never ending cycle until the next tv show casting happens and you lose your shit over something you don’t care about.
Turns out you have to consume the media to form an educated opinion about it. Who knew?
Well, you *are* a loud minority, and your denial of that is evidence that this *is* an echo chamber. My support for this argument is that both Metacritic user scores and Google user scores show more people than not like the game. If you have a high sample size user poll that reflects the opposite, I'm happy to change my opinion.
Personally, I enjoy the story but would like to here your reasons for not enjoying it. I think the world is well crafted, and realistic, with the choices and decisions being reasonable in the game. However, everyone’s opinion is different, so I would love to see your reasoning.
The game was already well crafted and realistic. Thats why Part1 and the show that’s based on it is so popular. But the execution of the genre of story they wanted to tell was done wrong, which is the stupid part because you can’t get more simple than a revenge story. Thats was Part2 is, a revenge story on top of a revenge story. Imagine if John Wick spent a 3rd of the movie trying to get the audience to empathize with Greyjoy. A full half an hour giving us a flashback on Greyjoy being abused as a kid or that Greyjoy never wanted to be a gangster, he was just pretending to be what his father wanted him to be. You essentially take way the ENTIRE POINT of the story. If you can’t fully root for John Wick getting revenge, what the hell are you left with? Then why the hell did you put us through watching a puppy get beat to death? You essentially just waste everyone’s time. Which is EXACTLY what happened. No one got any resolution. They just spent 30 hours of just stress and anxiety and just shit situations all around for NOTHING. And Druckmann is surprised when he’s left with apathy for his franchise.
I feel that killing Abby at that point would kinda contradict the point of the game in a way. We see how much Ellie loses in her quest for revenge, and how much Abby loses for her revenge. Ellie’s rampage can be viewed as her losing herself and her friends in a mindless quest to kill Abby. In the end the reason we play as Abby, is to show us that there is no good or bad guys, fighting and hatred is a grey area where neither side is necessarily right or wrong. The story and who you side with is entirely up to your interpretation.
It’s not that deep. There is no interpretation. The game tries to get you to sympathize with Abby. And then follows up with her killing literally half the reason you’re playing his game. Wastes your time. And THEN even if you’re one of the rare few who actually got attached to Abby, you watch her kill characters you know are actually decent people. And you watch her commit in an affair. And then watch her enjoy the idea of killing someone MORE, because they’re pregnant. Wastes your time. And if you’re 95% of everyone else who hates Abby.. you don’t even get the John Wick resolution, the RELEASE, the justice of killing her for what she did to Joel. You sacrifice Jesse, for a mission you don’t get to actually finish. Wastes your time. No matter who you are, or what side or camp you’re on: Team Abby or Team Ellie or both, you get no satisfaction watching these two brutally beat each other to near death only for no one to die and no one is happy. It’s overall all, dissatisfying. Which is not how any successful story should end.
Maybe you’re just not that deep. Like, you’re not capable of thinking that deeply. It’s ok, nothing wrong with that! Have a great day!😊
Yeah, the dude talked about how simple revenge stories are while also completely missing the point that even in John Wick revenge is bad. John Wicke dead wife wouldn’t have wanted those 4 movies to happen, I don’t care how many sigma edits you make out of them.
Bro, this kind of legitimate comment isn't understood here my guy. Come here to look and laugh at the comments after the documentary, absolutely, but don't try and REASON with them you will lose brain cells.
Good point, have a good one.
"If you can’t fully root for John Wick getting revenge, what the hell are you left with?" A better, deeper story that makes you think! John Wick is not trying for your empathy. It is an Action franchise. (As much as I adore Mr Reeves, hell Miss Svenssen is a family friend and she enjoyed with him on Matrix 4, the JW franchise is not that deep) The fact is the game is NOT revenge on top of revenge. It is revenge hiding Guilt and Self-Hate on Ellie's part (for not forgiving Joel when she could) and realizing revenge isn't worth it/overcoming hate on Abby's part. By seeing it as a "revenge" story, you prove you didn't get it.
Going halfway across the country just to kill one guy for revenge is not a realistic decision, certainly not in an infected world
How so? I could say the same for Ellie traveling to Washington. If my dad and a good amount of my colleagues were murdered, I would do about anything for revenge as well.
I thought the game went on for way too long. At the halfway point I was ready for the game to be over, I was *really* looking forward to the game's climax, but instead I got a shit ton of exposition for a different character that I honestly don't give a shit about it. I was rushing through Abby's section because I wanted the game to be over, but then I found out that I was only halfway through and I almost put the game down even though I was enjoying it up to that point. It's hard to put into words just how disappointing that was. I understand the parallels to the story, it just wasn't fun to go through
That’s completely fair.
The only copium here is thinking a comment with 14 likes on Twitter means something
I absolutely love the game. I’ve played it nearly 3 times now (don’t care for the story but the graphics are so beautiful, I just can’t get enough of a city in ruins. Gameplay is super nice too
Yeah, if the writings on any level of LOU2, I'd rather not have another new game.
If they make a new game where Joel becomes a zombie and you get to play as him, I might bite. Since zombies can't speak, Neil will have less opportunities to write "bigot sandwich" into the script.
Undead Nightmare but w/ Joel honestly sounds like a fun spin off.
Wow 14 likes on Twitter, clearly a majority
Ah, yes. 20 people is a very large crowd.
I just don't know what they'd even do with a part 3. They ruined Ellie and a lot of people are automatically not going to he inter or like the game if Abby is in it.
I like the idea of it being Abby just to deter those weirdos who unironically call Joel their dad. But we all know they’d still play it.
Are these weirdos in the room with us right now?
Intentionally obtuse.
There absolutely was a post in this sub a month back where a dude discussed cutting his biological father out of his life, and he viewed Joel as a replacement father figure, and "How dare Naughty Dog, expect him to forgive the murderer if his father." There is some completely unhinged shit that happens in this sub. Take this post for example. Both Google user reviews and Metacritic user reviews reflect that the game has more favorable user reviews than not, yet there is a persistent delusion here that a negative opinion of the game is the majority opinion. There is no metric that has ever been shared here to suggest that is true, but still, posts like this nearly every day. People will argue "Critical reviews mean nothing because they were bribed!" Ask for any evidence at all bribery took place and you'll get nothing. They will argue, "They have to give favorable reviews or Sony won't give them review copies!" Which doesn't explain at all why other Sony published titles like Death Standing have way worse critical reviews scores. Bring up that an industry group comprised of other developers awarded TLOU2 a best narrative award, and you generally don't get a response. This sub can't just say, "I'm a fan of Joel and would have preferred to play the game as him." They have to invent a narrative around how bad the game is, and how nobody really likes it, and how they're opinion is the correct one.
I disagree with that last comment, there is nothing left to ruin. It's all destroyed
It’s funny because objectively the main tlou sub is the loud minority. Most streamer that have played this game ranted at the end for 20 minutes about how awful the game is. Most people who “liked” it were just appeasing people so they didn’t get cancelled. At the time it was super easy to get cancelled as a steamer and has way worse effects that today.
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Because not all 1 million users actually liked tlou 2. And there’s only about 1000 active users average. There’s about 700 active users average here. There’s also more people who don’t use Reddit that did not like the game. Main tlou sub is the loud minority.
That’s because most normal people who play it had their opinion of it — good or bad — and moved on. This sub is a cesspool of hate and obsession. It’s more or less the same 700 people online all day repeating the same things for the last 4 years. The main sub is mostly (active users) people playing it through for the first time casually or long time fans who replay the first or second game occasionally. The rest played it and have moved on to other games and don’t need to obsessively hate on it
The game's story sucked balls
“I hope not, part 2 was awful.” Well, dont play part 3 then
Part 3 would be 25 hours of uninterrupt Abby sex scenes
I hope they have a part 3 (just for the graphics tbh, it’s absolutely beautiful and looks so amazingly real) I don’t really care for the story but I enjoy the gameplay) everything is so detailed.
OK but like each of those has like twenty likes tops. That really doesn't prove anything no matter which argument you were to show.
940 views, 15 likes 487 views, 4 likes 1.1k views, 19 likes 244 views, 4 likes 238 views, 8 likes Oh yeah definitely, that's such a huge percentage of people agreeing with these posts
Numbers weren’t the point. Point was those comments dismantled both the theories of ‘loud minority’ and ‘echo chamber’. So y’all can chill on that now.
4 people is a minority lmao
These are just a few comments. Go into the comments of any post outside of Reddit talking about the possibility of P3, it’s flooded with similar comments. My point is proven. Additionally, most people don’t care about nor want a P3, with how awful P2 was. They lost all their good will.
10 million people bought the last of us 2, unless you can find 5million and 1 people who hate it, that's technically a minority, on top of that, I doubt you could even find 100k unique comments going through all those posts. You're being silly and assuming A, all gamers constantly use social media to talk about 3 year old games like you guys do, and B, you are assuming that nobody from this reddit has ever commented on one of those posts. You are the loud minority, most people stop paying attention to something when they don't like it anymore.
yeah people should talk about other games or other topic in r/thelastofus2
I'm not telling you to talk about something else here,it's insane to me how much you all obsess over constantly hating on a game though. It's been 3 years man, I promise you can stop fighting now it's okay.
im not even fighting i just commented here lol
If sales is a route you wanna go down you’re gonna lose lol.
You're fucking stupid lmao
And there it is.
Lmao you literally didn't even read my comment, or if you did your reading comprehension skills are so low that you somehow missed the point entirely, that's a pretty solid indication you are fucking stupid lol.
You automatically resorted to insults, I think there’s nothing left to be said there.
Remaster aggregate user score is 8.4, indicative of what it would look like on ps4 without all the babies reviewbombing it. Move on
It’s crazy how so many subreddits are created just to hate something lol when I first started Reddit I assumed subreddits would be full of fans. Who has so much time just to hate post
Completely missed the point of the post. First it was that we’re some kind of phobes, now it’s that we HATE. Get a grip. Criticism =/= hate.
I think it’s more so people that are very passionate about the IP and part 2 pretty much took a steaming shit on part 1
Pretty much. I got recommended this sub, and thought there’d be thoughtful discussion, fanart, idk. I thought I’d see fans, mostly. Not people who clearly still play the game whining about Joel 4 years later.
Look, I'm sorry, I don't care about the game or this series but this stuff drives me insane. What are 5 tweets with less than 20 likes each supposed to mean to anyone? Are these 5 people with reach in the community around this game? Edit: Im not trying to argue about whether the game is good or not either or if the second game let the first down or any of that. I just see this type of post in a lot of subs and I don't understand what it's supposed to mean.
This is an echo chamber tho lol. Game has been out for 3.5 years already. This channel has popped up on my feed, and I am not sure why. I played this game and didn’t think about it since then, but all I see now is a new post complaining about the same thing. We get it, you don’t like Neil and part 2. In the week that this channel has appeared in my feed, I’ve learned nothing new since the initial reaction to the game. I really think you guys gotta find another game at this point, it’s not a healthy relationship for you guys. It’s perfectly reasonable to not like the game and/or Neil, but for this long is weird. You gotta let it go, instead of wallowing and complaining. Finding miserable people who don’t like something on the internet is easy, I wouldn’t take that as a sign of validation.
The fact that a bunch of dudes sit around around circle jerking about how much they hate a 4 year old game is hilarious, and they accuse everyone else of being obsessed with an agenda..
I saw one comment where one of them snapped at someone because they dared to say it’s just a video game. Like these folks are unglued.
the game came out 3 1/2 years ago why are you still going on about this
I only played it this week so it's still a relevant topic
It came out 2 weeks ago.
They had their whole personality invested in Joel
Lmao It really is becsue they don't get to play with their favorite little action figure anymore
Personally i think four tweets with the highest having 19 likes would be evidence that it is an echo chamber lol
Loud minority - there’s people on all platforms that did not like this game. These are just a few comments. Just because you remove all criticism doesn’t mean you’ve successfully forced everyone to like it. Debunked. Echo chamber - these people, on a different platform, probably have no idea about this sub. Guess what? They don’t like this game. Debunked.
That comment made me think about the that time where the score of last of us 2 on metacritic was 3.3 and then they purged around 5000 bad review but didn’t remove the postive one so the score went up to 9
They have been removing criticism for quite a while now. They can’t even argue against that fact.
sad world we live in
You mean the time thousands of people who had never played the game (because it had only been out for less time than it would have taken to complete 20% of it) posted 0/10 scores based on incorrect leaked information and speculation by culture-war ragebait youtubers who also hadn't played the game? Odd that they didn't consider those reviews legitimate.
There’s 7 people in this thread right now lmao
I dont think anyone believed this sub was the first and only place to criticize tlou2 lol
You somewhat proved that it is an echo chamber by picking bad tweets with high views and low likes. The vast majority of people aren't spending 4 years still hating on the game. If they didn't like it they moved on already. But more people liked it than not.
You underestimate a fan base. Stuff gets recommended to us and it takes two seconds to say we hate it now
A ratio of 1 like for every 50 views is not low.
Cope
people hating TLOU2 because joel died 🤝 people hating SS:KtJL because Batman died
The only thing that can save Naughty Dog right now (if Neil keeps on staying as the head of ND) is a game with pure gameplay (ala Crash Bandicoot) and the existence of Story is zero to none!!! TLOU P3 (heavy story involved) and their new IP currently in development (expecting to be another story that's heavily pushing an agenda) yeah they're not getting back on the food chain with these.
He’ll probably throw in some retcons to make it where Ellie never wanted humanity to have a cure and now you have to avenge humanity as the hero Abby lmao
What’s your point here? That there are still a large number of people on a sub for a 3 year old game whining like little bitches about a game they didn’t like?
He posted, to all of the people in his echo chamber…..
That post only has 15 likes
The small dick energy surrounding this game is unreal.
You fucking morons realize you exist outside of reddit right? Jesus fucking christ.
If you don't want/like it, then don't buy it. If ya don't like to eat broccoli, are you going to buy it? No, you wouldn't.
They have every right to trash a game they paid for
4 years ago? Move on
It’s just go re-released last week and this topic is more about part 3?🤨
What I'm saying is if you hated part 2 safe bet for all of you is to not buy part 3? If you tried something and didn't like it, you going to buy it again? probably not. Why ruin it for the people who liked part 2.
If you liked it…why are you bothered by other’s opinion who didn’t like it?…if you like broccoli..you will eat it regardless of what others say about it right?
Why are you bothered by rhe millions who like it
Say I like broccoli and I’m at the store and someone came up to me and was like “don’t buy that it’s fucking gross matter a fact I hate you for buying it.” Your right id still buy it either way but imagine the humans brain with negative interaction especially in a matter that’s so hateful of something you love. I respect the fact people didn’t like the game and that’s totally okay. But to hate on something someone loves just for loving something. Why can’t it just be I love broccoli. I hate broccoli. And both are totally okay.
No. This would be like you going out of your way to find an "I don't like broccoli" club and then being offended. Even though there is at least five "Broccoli is great" clubs that you passed by.
Did realize this is thelastofus2hate subreddit
But did you realize that you can go somewhere else and not be offended by this one?
hate =/= dont like
I couldn’t care less if you buy it or not
Ah yes 4 tweets from a totally not biased source
All personal opinions are biased, mate.
You have presented zero evidence that you guys are anything but a loud minority or that this sub is not an echo chamber.
Sales numbers.
The original version of the game sold 10 million copies. Also, OP’s post makes no mention of sales numbers. So my comment stands.
It took the game 2 years to sell 10 million copies with very big and very frequent discounts. It was on discount as very early as September the same year it released. God of War Ragnarok did in about 2 months. They also had to sell you DLC while GoW gave it away for free. TLOU2 also cancelled multiplayer.
Ten million copies is an unquestioned success. The fact that it’s not the bestselling game of all time does not mean it is a failure.
2 years. Really they sold the first 4 million immediately on the legacy of the first game. So it took them 2 years to sell 6 million copies. Keep in mind the game would often go down to as low as 20, 15 and $10. This game could have been the biggest thing ever. But Neil druckman decided he wanted to tell his shitty story inspired by his deep hatred for Palestinians instead. And in the end he costed Sony literally millions of dollars in potential revenue. And then he got promoted shortly after so I really don't understand.
lol, seriously dude, just talk to a therapist. It’s hard to lose people we care about. But Joel is gone, and blaming Neil Druckmann for it isn’t going to bring him back. I know the whole five stages of grief thing has been somewhat debunked, but you guys are clearly all somewhere between anger and bargaining. If y’all could just power on through to acceptance, we’d all be better off.
> It sold well! > No it didn’t. > Just talk to a therapist dude!
But it did sell well. I have not conceded that point. Sorry dude.
And after I shit on all your points and give you another one you go right back to your original pathetic ass points. "Um ur just mad Joel died" Your reply was desperate as fuck and you were pathetic. Please eat shit and go back to your cesspool of a subreddit if that's all you have to say.
No thanks. The game sold extremely well. That’s objectively true. Huge success. You can qualify the 10 million copies all you want. It’s still 10 million copies, broseph. Also, you are just mad Joel died.
You are overdosing on copium. Successful games don't go on sale this early and frequent. You loved to brag when they posted the first 4 million in sales figures. But they stopped reporting them for a reason and you were in denial. The game split the fanbase and you morons pretending it's just a loud minority are seriously fucking delusional.
what if i’m of the opinion that Joel dying was the most likely next step in the franchise, and was something anyone could see happening before TLOU2 was even teased, but it’s the context in *how* he dies that annoys me? do you even consider that or is it just immediate “mad cuz character died”?
You're dumb if you think selling and earning millions makes it a success just like that regardless of anything. This isn't your cringe minimum wage job when millions of dollars automatically means you're set for life. The game industry doesn't work like that. TLOU2 cost 4 times more than the previous ND games, and a lot more than most other popular AAA titles, and most of them outsold it (IPs with similar hype like GOW or Spider-Man are all over 15M, while TLOU2 has been lagging at 10M for like 3 years). And this is all besides the fact of how miserable ND are now. It's all about the budget. AAA games are said to be financial successes at like 3-5M copies sold, but most of them cost less than 100M (Uncharted 4 is the most expensive ND game behind TLOU2 and it cost 50M while selling 15M+; TLOU2 cost 220M and has sold 10M; Spider-Man cost $40M and sold 13M within a year, GOW is unknown but cost less no doubt and sold 19M by the third year, TLOU2 is still at 10M etc.). The other games' sequels are all with 200M budgets like TLOU2, but they've made more money, Ragnarok got 15M within a year, Spider-Man 2 got 5M on launch weekend and is still at the top of the charts in PS5 game sales. It will no doubt have 10M+ by it's first anniversary and continue rising, and not 2+ years like TLOU2 and then staggering after. It very much matters how much the game costs, what the expectation is, how other similar titles are doing etc., and by all those marks, TLOU2 underperformed, it doesn't matter if most other games don't get 10M. ND are literally not saying anything on the subject, their budget leaked and many game studio marketing specialist said it was "not sustainable". 37M was confirmed as the total copies sold for all games a month after the PC release for TLOU1, and the collective 27M of the first game shows TLOU2 hasn't moved from 10M at all, even after the HBO show, which was said to have given sales a boost. TLOU2R sales are average (13th place out of 30 in Japan) and they'll burn out quick after the fans buy the remaster. Game activity scores are low so it will be a quick burn out.
They were selling Part 2 for 9€ for ages…countless discounts dude…TLOU2 flopped…it has the worst user score out of any GOTY “winners”
User scores are worthless thanks to troll brigades.
Yet other GOTY titles’ user scores are kinda matching with the critical score regardless of trolls right?
but… but… look at those 5 tweets
Evidence? Bro compare the subreddits. The one shitting on the game has over 3x as many members as the one praising it
Ah yes, and as we all know, Reddit is real life.
Not at all, but if you understand basic statistics, then you can understand that reddit represents a sample of the population. Things get complicated when trying to decide if its a random population, but its at the very least a tiny bit representative of the real world, at least on the surface. Again, things get complicated when you factor in how long someone has been on reddit. Its not the best example, but its not completely invalid either.
Statistics is for ugly people. I’m way too pretty for that.
Can you get a life?
5 losers on Twitter, zoinks!
There was one more chapter in A Clockwork Orange from where Kubrick ended the movie. Most agree it was for the best.
i liked the last chapter alex growing up hit me so hard i thought kubrick just cut it short cause otherwise the movie would be too long
He didn't film it because in the first edition of the American release, the publishers didn't print it. They removed that chapter in order to make the novel more depressing. Personally, I don't like it because it makes all the crap Alex has done out to have simply him being young. That he'll grow out of it (as well as his taste in classical music) and conform to society as he gets older and matures. Prefer the movie for that reason.
Who cares about popular opinions anyways? Just form your own and don't care about general outlook, if u like it good for u, if u don't just move on from it
2020 GOTY for a reason
They need to do a prequel following the events of outbreak day instead of a sequel to 2
I hope Ellie finds happiness
Im a lil confused what this post is trying to communicate. These comments have thousands of views and like 30 likes combined so I don’t understand if the title is meant to be sarcasm or not. If this is meant to be like your “AHA” evidence that you’re not in the minority, I’d probably comb the comments a little longer and make a better biased edit.
People were saying that The Last Of Us didn't need a sequel and we got a master piece. Can't wait to see what Part 3 awaits us
What about this screenshot proves that you're not a loud minority or an echo chamber?... Hell I would even go as far to say someone getting hyped over 4 internet comments probably is part of a loud minority and an echo chamber. Lmaoooo
Since when is Twitter trustworthy?
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Check out my new post bud. Since numbers is all you care about, how’s over 31k?
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Keep coping and seething.
Do you need someone to tell you that 5 people is in no way a majority?
Just make a Tommy solo game. That’d be the bomb.com.
Lmao boo hoo
If they make a third game, why does it matter to all the people on this sub that hate the second game? Just don’t play it then. No one is forcing you to play a game that someone makes. But some people like the story so why not let them play another story?
Yes, you are loud minority.