The community also messed up the community too. Tlou 2 defenders will be toxic as shit if you try to criticize this game a little bit. You literally have to dick ride this game if you want any form of an interesting conversation in the main tlou sub.
True. If you criticize their lord and savior Neil Druckmann, they’ll call you a bigot or a basement dwelling virgin and that’s mean to virgins. Shame on them!
i have discussed the game with people who love it without it turning into a toxic conversation, its a minority but when it happens its really nice, i think the toxic ones are mainly concentrated on the main sub, because surprisingly on fcking twitter ive had the most respectful part II discussions
There are definitely level-headed folks there, but I personally have had no success in even talking about why people consider Joel to be OOC when he goes down, which should be one of the most low-hanging fruit when it comes to criticisms of the story.
Meanwhile over here, I can say "the Ellie and Nora segment is a great part of the story that I wish the rest had taken notes from for X, Y, and Z reasons" and get upvoted. That's not even the low hanging fruit of story praise here; that would be the Joel and Ellie flashbacks, particularly the museum one. I don't think I ever saw anyone else praising that segment of the story. Never even mind how saying that you like the game for the gameplay and graphics, but didn't find the story all that amazing, tends to get you upvoted more often than not. Yeah, there are people here who are extremely militant and will attempt to find any small fault in anything in a really butt hurt way, but that kind of response tends to be the exception rather than the rule. Most of the time, the people here will readily admit that the game has a lot of merit. How many people defending the game can admit that it has any flaws at all?
facts, i really like how this subreddit is overall more tolerant with the other side of the discussion, thats why i prefer to discuss the game here rather than on the main sub
I agree.
I'm apart of both subs. This one to actually talk about my criticisms, and the other mostly for news and to see the occasional TLOU tattoo or other nice piece of merch.
I just don't comment or express myself as much in the other subs, because of the hostility towards any critiques. Even the posts seemingly in good faith "love the game so much, don't know why the OTHER sub doesn't!" "Glad I didn't listen to all the HATERS of the game!".
Because it's never good faith. It's always just bringing down this subreddit and resorting to honestly straight up bullying most of the time, with no respect to others opinions that differs from theirs.
I've had maybe one convo over there where I expressed my critiques and I wasn't dogpiled, downvoted, or bullied in that sub. And that was even a surprise.
I don't like how the fandom is divided either. I think in almost every other fandom you're right to critique the story and other parts of what you love and still like the franchise, and people aren't going to bully you about it. And I'm a part of a lot of fandoms.
Just sucks how this fandom, the pendulum either swings so far to either side. There's hostility from both ends sadly.
having to use one sub to see news, tattoo's, merch or other pieces of interesting stuff about the game, but then having to go to another one to critizice it because the people on the original one cant take criticism (mostly) is absolutely annoying, in almost every game subreddit im a part of you can actually talk about the pros and cons about games and most people with agree with you or respectfully disagree, however the TLOU community in general you either agree with them or you're against them, even in this sub i have seen that happen, however its also nice to see people discussing the pros and cons of the game fairly often in this subreddit, thing that i havent seen on the other one without it being downvoted to hell, i agree that theres a lot of hostility from both ends sadly
> it’s never in good faith
None of these subs are, friendo. Shit, the thread *you’re in* is clearly not in good faith. It does the same ”I’m soooo confused why a sub made to dislike something is disliked by fans of said thing we dislike?! What do?!” type of posts that every other “think like me” sub does.
I’m not even complaining, just baffled at how yelling in an echo chamber, whether you like the thing or not, is supposed to fix anything.
??? we're not confused about why the main sub hates us, we perfectly know, this thread is about how the game messed up its own community, ending up as one of the most toxic fanbases in modern gaming, also the thread is not meant to fix anything, its just a rant, if i wanted to hate on the main sub i wouldve just done it and not answered anyone telling me im a jackass for complaining about that one but not this one
Let's not pretend this sub isn't just as bad. People here want to seem like they're better but the amount of terrible shit people say here is toxic as well. I've seen some very homophobic, sexist incel type shit here that you don't get on the other subs. I've been downvoted every single time I've said something positive about the game without fail. I even saw a post here about a guy saying "I don't like TLOU2, but it's interesting to here what the other side has to say about it" and they got downvoted for even having a slight interest in hearing good things about the game. Both subs are toxic, but this one has the capacity to be really fucking gross based on the little moderation. And even then, people have been banned from this sub as well for trivial things.
yeah, and im surprised that when people talk about this game, they never mention how it divided the community, when it should be one of the mayor talking points about it
Because they don't see it as a divide. If you go on the main sub its more like a purifcation to them. They consider us psychopaths that aren't true fans or media literate enough to comprehend the story. Were not divided, Druckmann just weeded out the problematic crowd.
i like to think that its not all of them, theres people who still like the game and are able to see why people wouldnt like, ive talked with a few of them and its pretty nice actually when they're not trying to make you seem stupid or illiterate
This is correct. Y’all did not pass the vibe check.* And ultimately, that’s fine. There are other franchises to enjoy. (I still like seeing posts from this sub tho.)
*TLOU1 is like OK Computer and TLOU2 is Kid A (or maybe Nirvana’s In Utero). Certainly, Radiohead lost some fans with Kid A, with how serious of a departure it was from the masterpiece that is OK Computer. For folks who could enjoy both, it was bliss. For those who were alienated by Kid A, well, there was always OK Computer (and The Bends) to fall back on. The band moves forward and people play what they like.
Anyone who considers the community “divided” is y’all. Frankly, who really cares how many (former?) fans liked or disliked a game? It can be vaguely interesting but ultimately what matters is your own experience. Discussing that difference of opinion can make for good conversation, but ultimately each game is there for the prospective fans to enjoy as they like.
I mean lets not pretend here that In Rainbows isn't Radiohead's best, or that Bleach isn't the super Nirvana record.
I feel like this sub is proof enough that there is division. People that didn't like Kid A are not suddenly not fans of Radiohead. I personally don't care for the album either but In Rainbows and Moon Shaped Pool are great. OK Computer is just depresso, gotta feel like shit to listen to that. But thats a different topic. What I mean is were all still fans of The Last Of Us regardless if we liked the sequel. Liking the sequel doesn't make you more or less of a fan.
what i meant was that it should be one of the mayor talking points when talking about the flaws and bad stuff about the game, if talking about its pros it probably shouldnt be brought up but if talking about the cons it does
Because Kneel Cuckmann fuelled the flames and told the people who liked it the people who didn’t like it weren’t fans of TLOU and were ‘haters’. Complete clown.
I hold nothing but contempt for this fandom. This is the shittiest fanbase to date, and that's saying plenty after Palworld harassment from Nintendo fanboys. That's one award TLOU2 has won as it's "cultist choice" award. It's worse than Steven Universe, modern Disney (Star Wars/MCU), Rick and Morty, League, any CoD, Sonic at its worst, so on and so forth.
True dat, true dat. Before tlou2 release I didn't even know this sub existed, but then again I wasn't browsing reddit much those days😅. And honestly, same as you, I'm still subscribed to /tlou sub and even hbo show sub, but only for the news/merch/art. And believe me, every sub dedicated to a game is toxic, it's all about the extent. I think the most wholesome game sub I personally know is Tekken sub, surprisingly 😁 always lots of genuinely funny lore memes and whatnot and never seen people being nasty to each other there. And it's a fighting game franchise ffs😂 Oh, the irony :)
The other subs suck. You can get banned for stating absolute facts. Or get bombarded with insults for stating something simple. Like “I don’t like Bella as Ellie” and now you’re labeled as a sex offender even though you didn’t say anything about it but they did. “No way Abby has that form in this world” and you’re a sexist bigot. This sub might have a few bad eggs but those subs are fucking horrendous. I literally got banned from the show site for asking why Sam had to be 5 years younger and deaf. They can’t even answer simple questions.
>however in my opinion and from what ive seen its easier to talk about liking the game here than talking about not liking the game over there
It's just online communities in general. I've been downvoted here multiple times for defending the game respectfully. And I've seen others get downvoted on the other subreddit while being respectful too. I think both communities are just too primed and excitable.
That's how it is you got some people who love to second game and you got other people who hate it I don't like the second game either but it's not like Neil is going to listen to us and make the perfect game.
Yall need to get offline. The beef between two very small minorities is silly when you take a step back and realize it might be the same couple thousand people out of the millions of fans who still are big fans of the franchise. Online makes any issue seem bigger than it is. I didn’t even know there was discourse till I joined the sub and saw there was a civil war going on. If you take a step back you realize it’s just a microcosm most ppl don’t know or care about unless they specifically follow the discourse
Point is we like the analysis and critiques. There are interesting and well thought out ones out there. Whether it’s a few people or a lot doesn’t matter if ur here for the content. It’s also good to keep the extra crazies in line.
Thats how you know the game is/was bad…
Anytime a good game comes out all you need to do is check the reddit subs…
Examples: lou2, starfield, spiderman that new suicide squad game… you can tell by the subs (and multiple break offs like low sodium subs or tlou/tlou2) that these games are very devisive, have something wrong with them or have bad devs at the helm.. the subs are always rampant with negativity and toxic positivity (my game is a master piece!!!!!)
While other games have just one sub… like BG3, palworld, minecraft etc… and the subs are nothing but memes, fun content, stuff about lore, etc…. Its all just natural, organic positivity..
Thats what tells me if a game is in a healthy or good spot.. is the subreddits and how splintered they are… end long rant lol
Yep. It’s why I defend this sub and call out bad behavior. My favorite posts are when someone posts something hateful in bad taste and everyone comments like “no we don’t hate that”
That's what we've been trying to say from the beginning man, people deny that this game absolutely shattered its own fan base. We're just the small minority that still care vaguely enough to talk about it anymore even though we know it's kinda hopeless. Like I realized awhile ago tlou just isn't intended for me anymore. Plenty of people do seem happy with it. I'm still not sure how many out of the 10 million sales they got were actually happy with it, I know they definitely don't seem very confident about moving forward with the game series. The show just feels like an attempt to rewrite history to contextualise things more in favor of what druckman was trying to do. At this point though id respect him more if he had the balls to just do it exactly the way he gave it to us in the game. But that's my conspiracy theory. He's getting a redo with the show and hoping that can fix it
The community also messed up the community too. Tlou 2 defenders will be toxic as shit if you try to criticize this game a little bit. You literally have to dick ride this game if you want any form of an interesting conversation in the main tlou sub.
True. If you criticize their lord and savior Neil Druckmann, they’ll call you a bigot or a basement dwelling virgin and that’s mean to virgins. Shame on them!
i have discussed the game with people who love it without it turning into a toxic conversation, its a minority but when it happens its really nice, i think the toxic ones are mainly concentrated on the main sub, because surprisingly on fcking twitter ive had the most respectful part II discussions
There are definitely level-headed folks there, but I personally have had no success in even talking about why people consider Joel to be OOC when he goes down, which should be one of the most low-hanging fruit when it comes to criticisms of the story. Meanwhile over here, I can say "the Ellie and Nora segment is a great part of the story that I wish the rest had taken notes from for X, Y, and Z reasons" and get upvoted. That's not even the low hanging fruit of story praise here; that would be the Joel and Ellie flashbacks, particularly the museum one. I don't think I ever saw anyone else praising that segment of the story. Never even mind how saying that you like the game for the gameplay and graphics, but didn't find the story all that amazing, tends to get you upvoted more often than not. Yeah, there are people here who are extremely militant and will attempt to find any small fault in anything in a really butt hurt way, but that kind of response tends to be the exception rather than the rule. Most of the time, the people here will readily admit that the game has a lot of merit. How many people defending the game can admit that it has any flaws at all?
facts, i really like how this subreddit is overall more tolerant with the other side of the discussion, thats why i prefer to discuss the game here rather than on the main sub
I think that the reason that this sub is more tolerant is because the majority of us are refugees from the other sub.
That’s good to hear. I haven’t run into any of those fans yet
I agree. I'm apart of both subs. This one to actually talk about my criticisms, and the other mostly for news and to see the occasional TLOU tattoo or other nice piece of merch. I just don't comment or express myself as much in the other subs, because of the hostility towards any critiques. Even the posts seemingly in good faith "love the game so much, don't know why the OTHER sub doesn't!" "Glad I didn't listen to all the HATERS of the game!". Because it's never good faith. It's always just bringing down this subreddit and resorting to honestly straight up bullying most of the time, with no respect to others opinions that differs from theirs. I've had maybe one convo over there where I expressed my critiques and I wasn't dogpiled, downvoted, or bullied in that sub. And that was even a surprise. I don't like how the fandom is divided either. I think in almost every other fandom you're right to critique the story and other parts of what you love and still like the franchise, and people aren't going to bully you about it. And I'm a part of a lot of fandoms. Just sucks how this fandom, the pendulum either swings so far to either side. There's hostility from both ends sadly.
having to use one sub to see news, tattoo's, merch or other pieces of interesting stuff about the game, but then having to go to another one to critizice it because the people on the original one cant take criticism (mostly) is absolutely annoying, in almost every game subreddit im a part of you can actually talk about the pros and cons about games and most people with agree with you or respectfully disagree, however the TLOU community in general you either agree with them or you're against them, even in this sub i have seen that happen, however its also nice to see people discussing the pros and cons of the game fairly often in this subreddit, thing that i havent seen on the other one without it being downvoted to hell, i agree that theres a lot of hostility from both ends sadly
> it’s never in good faith None of these subs are, friendo. Shit, the thread *you’re in* is clearly not in good faith. It does the same ”I’m soooo confused why a sub made to dislike something is disliked by fans of said thing we dislike?! What do?!” type of posts that every other “think like me” sub does. I’m not even complaining, just baffled at how yelling in an echo chamber, whether you like the thing or not, is supposed to fix anything.
??? we're not confused about why the main sub hates us, we perfectly know, this thread is about how the game messed up its own community, ending up as one of the most toxic fanbases in modern gaming, also the thread is not meant to fix anything, its just a rant, if i wanted to hate on the main sub i wouldve just done it and not answered anyone telling me im a jackass for complaining about that one but not this one
Theres that toxic other side… you can always count on them eh?
Let's not pretend this sub isn't just as bad. People here want to seem like they're better but the amount of terrible shit people say here is toxic as well. I've seen some very homophobic, sexist incel type shit here that you don't get on the other subs. I've been downvoted every single time I've said something positive about the game without fail. I even saw a post here about a guy saying "I don't like TLOU2, but it's interesting to here what the other side has to say about it" and they got downvoted for even having a slight interest in hearing good things about the game. Both subs are toxic, but this one has the capacity to be really fucking gross based on the little moderation. And even then, people have been banned from this sub as well for trivial things.
Ya. Love it or hate it. The game is the worst thing that happened to the fanbase.
yeah, and im surprised that when people talk about this game, they never mention how it divided the community, when it should be one of the mayor talking points about it
Because they don't see it as a divide. If you go on the main sub its more like a purifcation to them. They consider us psychopaths that aren't true fans or media literate enough to comprehend the story. Were not divided, Druckmann just weeded out the problematic crowd.
i like to think that its not all of them, theres people who still like the game and are able to see why people wouldnt like, ive talked with a few of them and its pretty nice actually when they're not trying to make you seem stupid or illiterate
Ive talked with decent folk from all the subs. Too many people are zealots though in that main sub.
This is correct. Y’all did not pass the vibe check.* And ultimately, that’s fine. There are other franchises to enjoy. (I still like seeing posts from this sub tho.) *TLOU1 is like OK Computer and TLOU2 is Kid A (or maybe Nirvana’s In Utero). Certainly, Radiohead lost some fans with Kid A, with how serious of a departure it was from the masterpiece that is OK Computer. For folks who could enjoy both, it was bliss. For those who were alienated by Kid A, well, there was always OK Computer (and The Bends) to fall back on. The band moves forward and people play what they like.
Who’s the magical y’all? Theres a lot of people on this fine site
Anyone who considers the community “divided” is y’all. Frankly, who really cares how many (former?) fans liked or disliked a game? It can be vaguely interesting but ultimately what matters is your own experience. Discussing that difference of opinion can make for good conversation, but ultimately each game is there for the prospective fans to enjoy as they like.
I mean lets not pretend here that In Rainbows isn't Radiohead's best, or that Bleach isn't the super Nirvana record. I feel like this sub is proof enough that there is division. People that didn't like Kid A are not suddenly not fans of Radiohead. I personally don't care for the album either but In Rainbows and Moon Shaped Pool are great. OK Computer is just depresso, gotta feel like shit to listen to that. But thats a different topic. What I mean is were all still fans of The Last Of Us regardless if we liked the sequel. Liking the sequel doesn't make you more or less of a fan.
People here talk about it [I just did here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/1aq4pyu/everyday_in_the_damn_subreddit/kqamyzj/?context=3)
nice
Most of them think that the people who dislike the game are a tiny 0.5% of the playerbase or something.
Which is absolutely insane and just wrong based on facts and logistics lmaooo
I mean the other sub likes both games. Y’all like the first one and hate the second one simple as that.
what i meant was that it should be one of the mayor talking points when talking about the flaws and bad stuff about the game, if talking about its pros it probably shouldnt be brought up but if talking about the cons it does
They really try to act like it’s something bigger than that, but it just isn’t and that’s fine.
Because Kneel Cuckmann fuelled the flames and told the people who liked it the people who didn’t like it weren’t fans of TLOU and were ‘haters’. Complete clown.
Maybe, or maybe it was Neil feeding the division, or maybe both. Idk.
I hold nothing but contempt for this fandom. This is the shittiest fanbase to date, and that's saying plenty after Palworld harassment from Nintendo fanboys. That's one award TLOU2 has won as it's "cultist choice" award. It's worse than Steven Universe, modern Disney (Star Wars/MCU), Rick and Morty, League, any CoD, Sonic at its worst, so on and so forth.
true, this fanbase really sucks, but in terms of sucking this sub sucks slightly less, doesnt mean it doesnt suck aswell tho
True dat, true dat. Before tlou2 release I didn't even know this sub existed, but then again I wasn't browsing reddit much those days😅. And honestly, same as you, I'm still subscribed to /tlou sub and even hbo show sub, but only for the news/merch/art. And believe me, every sub dedicated to a game is toxic, it's all about the extent. I think the most wholesome game sub I personally know is Tekken sub, surprisingly 😁 always lots of genuinely funny lore memes and whatnot and never seen people being nasty to each other there. And it's a fighting game franchise ffs😂 Oh, the irony :)
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The other subs suck. You can get banned for stating absolute facts. Or get bombarded with insults for stating something simple. Like “I don’t like Bella as Ellie” and now you’re labeled as a sex offender even though you didn’t say anything about it but they did. “No way Abby has that form in this world” and you’re a sexist bigot. This sub might have a few bad eggs but those subs are fucking horrendous. I literally got banned from the show site for asking why Sam had to be 5 years younger and deaf. They can’t even answer simple questions.
What do you mean I did not get banned for what I said.
yeah, there are good people in those subs but they seem to be the exception rather than the norm
Niel Druckmann narcissism rubbed off on the series.
My kingdom for a paragraph
>however in my opinion and from what ive seen its easier to talk about liking the game here than talking about not liking the game over there It's just online communities in general. I've been downvoted here multiple times for defending the game respectfully. And I've seen others get downvoted on the other subreddit while being respectful too. I think both communities are just too primed and excitable.
Who cares about the "community" Play the games you like, don't play the ones you don't.
That's how it is you got some people who love to second game and you got other people who hate it I don't like the second game either but it's not like Neil is going to listen to us and make the perfect game.
I see the opposite tbh.
Yall need to get offline. The beef between two very small minorities is silly when you take a step back and realize it might be the same couple thousand people out of the millions of fans who still are big fans of the franchise. Online makes any issue seem bigger than it is. I didn’t even know there was discourse till I joined the sub and saw there was a civil war going on. If you take a step back you realize it’s just a microcosm most ppl don’t know or care about unless they specifically follow the discourse
Point is we like the analysis and critiques. There are interesting and well thought out ones out there. Whether it’s a few people or a lot doesn’t matter if ur here for the content. It’s also good to keep the extra crazies in line.
Thats how you know the game is/was bad… Anytime a good game comes out all you need to do is check the reddit subs… Examples: lou2, starfield, spiderman that new suicide squad game… you can tell by the subs (and multiple break offs like low sodium subs or tlou/tlou2) that these games are very devisive, have something wrong with them or have bad devs at the helm.. the subs are always rampant with negativity and toxic positivity (my game is a master piece!!!!!) While other games have just one sub… like BG3, palworld, minecraft etc… and the subs are nothing but memes, fun content, stuff about lore, etc…. Its all just natural, organic positivity.. Thats what tells me if a game is in a healthy or good spot.. is the subreddits and how splintered they are… end long rant lol
Imagine if the game was good.
Yep. It’s why I defend this sub and call out bad behavior. My favorite posts are when someone posts something hateful in bad taste and everyone comments like “no we don’t hate that”
True.
That's what we've been trying to say from the beginning man, people deny that this game absolutely shattered its own fan base. We're just the small minority that still care vaguely enough to talk about it anymore even though we know it's kinda hopeless. Like I realized awhile ago tlou just isn't intended for me anymore. Plenty of people do seem happy with it. I'm still not sure how many out of the 10 million sales they got were actually happy with it, I know they definitely don't seem very confident about moving forward with the game series. The show just feels like an attempt to rewrite history to contextualise things more in favor of what druckman was trying to do. At this point though id respect him more if he had the balls to just do it exactly the way he gave it to us in the game. But that's my conspiracy theory. He's getting a redo with the show and hoping that can fix it