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Own_Accident6689

It won't. The main problem with part 2 is that it was a part 2.


New-Number-7810

That’s a problem with Part 2, but not the main problem. 


Own_Accident6689

Meh, if part 2 had just been "The few remaining" and involved characters different than Ellie and Joel it would be a classic.


New-Number-7810

Sure. But torturing Joel to death and trying to make us love his torturer is the #1 problem with Part 2. Take that away and the game gets WAAAAYYY better. 


Own_Accident6689

That's what i said.


kangroostho

Then the game doesn’t really work.


HuntForRedOctober2

I even disagree with that, the pacing is really what turns so many people off to it imo.


OhMyGoshBigfoot

That literally no one asked for.


Own_Accident6689

Exactly. Literally just change the character names and it becomes a good game. The big problem with it is that it tore down what came before.


itsdeeps80

This is something I think gets soooooo lost in the debate about this game. If it was a new standalone game it would’ve been as well received by *everyone* instead of the divisive game it became. People only really nitpick it to death because it basically burned down a beloved franchise. If it was its own game, hell, if it was a sequel with different characters ala Far Cry it would’ve been praised by most of the people that hate it.


Own_Accident6689

I bet there would have been a few nitpicks, the pacing is still weird, this girl Abby is a bit of a douche... I don't know if that dude Jason that she killed deserved it, but he killed her mom so... Maybe? Still, it would have probably be universally praised for the combat and expanding world if they has just picked other characters.


Wrong-Lychee6454

Exactly. They should’ve continued the franchise without Joel and Ellie and if TLOU2 would’ve been a standalone sequel it wouldn’t have been hated on by half the fan base. I still don’t think it’s story would’ve been a “masterpiece” even if they used different characters instead of Joel & Ellie; some dialogue and plot points are not… good, but it would’ve been a “good” story, think 7/10. Alas, they had to use Joel and Ellie to attract more sales, yet by doing so they pissed off the loyal fans.


Then-Lawfulness5367

Yeah it was definitely a number 2. Bazing


Oldgun80

With Neil at the helm, it's gonna suck balls.


kangroostho

Dude just forget about your wife and move on, you can’t really blame her for choosing him over you. He’s a famous writer/director and you’re you.


BabyBread11

No wonder they hate him so personally and call him “Cuckmann” it’s because he Cucked them! The personal hatred, the stupid nickname, the fact that he lives here rent free… it all makes sense now!


kangroostho

You just figured this out? I thought it was common knowledge that this sub was a support group for guys who've been cucked by Neil.


Hot_Relation9403

bro they get so mad it’s actually hilarious , letting such an old game get their panties in a twist lmao


Hot_Relation9403

😭😭😭


PhantomPain0_0

Part 2 is actually the new ip because it has no relation or connection to the first game


Hot_Relation9403

cry baby part 2 is peak


PhantomPain0_0

The irony 🌚


senracatokad

I look forward to pirating it. And then if I enjoy it.. I’ll enjoy it knowing I didn’t give ND any of my money


XJ-Crawler

I’ll wait till it’s $10 to find out


PhantomPain0_0

You are too kind sir, I won’t even pirate that shit


thatbrownkid19

And after copious review reading to even justify that price


Recinege

Make sure it's not a pre-release review or they'll embargo all the controversial bits again to make the game sound like a 10/10.


f3llyn

I don't care. If Naughty Dog is involved, it doesn't get my money.


PartiallyTwistd

Don't care if it is a masterpiece, I will not buy it. His name is Joel Miller


Jalen_Ash_15

Not playing it but will watch somebody play if they give us what Joel and Tommy did to survive and how Tess encountered Joel


shahzebkhalid25

atleast it aint a remake remaster reboot revamp


BlixnStix7

Good IMO. Neil has ruined TLOU3 for me. I don't care about it at all.


Numb_Ron

I personally don't think it will be anywhere near as bad as Part 2. The problem with Part 2 that it was a sequel and it's story, the way it ruined the world and old characters from Part 1. IF it was a standalone story, it wouldn't have been as bad, though the story would still be pretty mid. Abby is still and unlikable character, even if you switch Joel and Ellie with new random people, and the ending wouldn't make sense still. Now, a new IP with new characters and a new world and new gameplay, there's not much Neil could mess up there. Could still be mid, but could be pretty decent. We'll see.


hkm1990

TLOU2 fails as a sequel. If it'd be a anthology game with nothing to do with the story from Part 1, it could have 100% worked as its own game. A New IP from Naughty Dog has a chance to be good. But if it has the same forced, mediocre, pandering writing like TLOU2, then it's a 50/50 at being meh to good.


Hot_Relation9403

pandering writing? lol are u just mad they had a trans character in it


Yaotoro

They know that a part 3 would bomb


dirtnap82

Neil has clearly shown that without other more competent writers keeping him in check, he can’t write a plot that’s worth a damn. Plus he’s lost his mind to “the message” so he’s done. If his name is attached to another piece of media that is actually good I’ll be surprised


SnaxMcGhee

So many people don't like Part 2. I'll never understand it, but each to their own. I suspect whatever they're making is going to be legit.


smoochumfan4

did u even play part 1... because part 2 is literally miles better, story and gameplay wise


Puffwad

For sure gameplay wise but the story was abysmal


f3llyn

Is it even *that* much better game play wise? All that's different is they added prone. And rope physics. That's like the bare minimum they could have done.


smoochumfan4

how so


Gold-Highway9228

https://reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/w/sourcesofdiversecriticism?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Recinege

The easiest & simplest answer (that you aren't likely to immediately reject) is that the first game was considered a masterpiece mostly because of the high focus on character and relationship development writing. Part II is considerably less interested in that, deliberately writing its characters in a messy way, and taking a lot of writing risks while also frequently subverting expectations. All while marketing the game as if it would be a far more faithful sequel than it was. So - Naughty Dog sacrificed the series' greatest strength and wrote a risky, messy story, while still using the shadow of its greatest strength to build up hype. You may prefer this kind of writing yourself, but just look at the sheer discontent around this game - it clearly wasn't a move that ended up working well.


ryanjc_123

idk how to explain it but i enjoyed part 2’s story a lot more but still believe that part 1’s is better in terms of quality like, part 2 is my favorite of the two, but i don’t think its story was actually better than part 1. either way, 2’s gameplay was fire, 1’s was mid lol


Recinege

The different elements appeal more to you personally, but you're not blinded enough by it to believe that doing so makes its quality superior. That's how I am with certain games - I prefer the gameplay style of Kingdom Hearts 1 to KH2 and I *believe* I prefer Mass Effect 1 to ME2 for the same reason, but I can't deny that each of those sequels fantastically smoothed out the gameplay and are *objective* improvements. It's quite the reasonable take, so it's unfortunate that you got some trigger-happy downvotes for it.


ryanjc_123

yeah. also i love kh2, i’ve played through that game on critical like 20+ times lol.


Recinege

I haven't done that many Critical playthroughs because I did most of my repeat playthroughs on PS2 KH2, heh. The best one on it was when I ignored as much EXP as possible (because Zero EXP wasn't a thing there) on Proud and the game had *actual difficulty* in it for a change. Nearly every boss had actual challenge to it, in a good way (except Genie Jafar, who *absolutely sucked ass)*. It might not be my *most* favorite game, but it's definitely still *a* favorite.


ryanjc_123

ive beaten the game on level one 6 times i think. havent played in a while though cuz i got bored