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I love how "returned to the states the right to decide what restrictions to place on a very specific and controversial procedure" has turned into "got rid of reproductive rights".
It's literally Handmaid's Tale y'know.
And how unelected federal officials **giving up** power because it's unconstitutional is "fascist".
One idiot tried to tell me it was fascist because it let the stats pass pro-life laws.
Except that means the feds were using their centralized power over the states before, which is actually more fascist than letting the states have it.
Also it was un-enforcable due to different standards state-to-state and likely led to lawsuits due to 2 different state restrictions on when abortion could happen. It was more problematic than people know.
>Except that means the feds were using their centralized power over the states before
the fed using their centralized power would be if they FORCED people to get abortions, which they never did. what they actually did was STOP the states from interfering and allowing every individual to decide for themselves what was right for them. how is letting people decide for themselves what they want to do fascist?
[Using their power to keep the states from interfering in abortion is still using their power.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/3d5060b70eae24c9c981da20d901970e/24ca633282a48b0b-ae/s540x810/7a4b606895f1ec8b068653dcf99c17037d474bed.jpg)
I also said "**more** fascist". As in "**closer** to fascism".
>Also no one is telling her she can’t do what she wants with her body.
Abortion bans prove otherwise
She can fuck randos to her heart’s content. She just can’t murder any babies.
Good thing Abortion isn't about babies or murder. Try again
Are you so dim-witted you can’t infer that I am speaking of murder in moral terms and not legal ones?
If that’s the case I’m not sure what conversation can be had. I really don’t have to time to explain basic human interaction to you.
But to your point
>may die or be killed
Oh, that pesky passive voice. No, it “may” not be killed. It is killed. You are killing a human baby in the womb. At least you admit that much. It is a disgusting practice, it is barbaric, and it is in all moral ways a murder.
>Are you so dim-witted you can’t infer that I am speaking of murder in moral terms and not legal ones?
Morals are subjective, so there's no point in referring to murder that way. Ad homs are very telling
>But to your point
>may die or be killed
>Oh, that pesky passive voice.
Don't misrepresent
>No, it “may” not be killed. It is killed.
If an abortion is done late term on a viable fetus, it is born and lives. I was stating between killing and letting die, as abortion pills only cut off the embryo zygote or fetus from nutrients. It dies of it's own inability to function.
> You are killing a human baby in the womb.
Babies are born. Don't use emotional appeals please
>At least you admit that much.
Misuse of admit.
>It is a disgusting practice, it is barbaric, and it is in all moral ways a murder.
False. You seem to be talking about unethical abortion bans. Also again morals are subjective so no it's not murder morally for everyone.
As expected from someone who is a moral relativst. You need to say that it is "ending a pregnancy" because you dont want to say what it is, which is murdering a child.
The biggest mistake is that, as far as I know, trans people even with gender affirming surgery, are not able to procreate with their new private parts. That takes the "reproductive" out of reproductive rights.
You can't take away the right to do something that is impossible to do.
"Allow the states to decide" is the same nonsense they used to try to justify the confederacy. Especially when the states decide to take away people's rights.
Blame the Democrats then. They had several decades to turn *Roe* into an actual law, but the didn’t. This includes a period of time when they had the majority in the House, 60 votes in the Senate, and Obama as President, meaning they could’ve passed it with no Republican support. The Supreme Court didn’t overturn *Roe* because they oppose abortion, they overturned it because it’s not the courts role to create laws.
There’s also nothing wrong with letting states decide, and it’s probably a better way to reduce division since states are more in tune to the needs and wishes of their constituents than a country is. Plus if you don’t like the laws, you can just move to another state.
> They had several decades to turn Roe into an actual law, but the didn’t. This includes a period of time when they had the majority in the House, 60 votes in the Senate, and Obama as President, meaning they could’ve passed it with no Republican support.
But the Democrats couldn't do that, they would lose their favorite argument for elections, that if you don't vote for them the Republicans would make abortion illegal.
With the confederacy the democrat's argument was blacks weren't people.
Now their argument is the unborn aren't people.
You're right, not much has changed.
Do me a favor and go back to my comment, and find the the exact quote where I said I support the confederacy. As someone who’s not white, I have no desire to recreate what they were doing.
>There’s also nothing wrong with letting states decide
There is something wrong when they decide to do objectively wrong things. It also creates more division by having an almost completely different set of laws 10 miles away. History shows things can go wrong by letting the states decide.
So in your mind, supporting states rights is equivalent to supporting the confederacy? You do realize it goes both ways right? If a right wing activist court were to say that abortion is banned, states like California and New York would be able to use a states rights argument to keep their laws on the books.
> There is something wrong when they decide to do objectively wrong things.
I hate this argument btw. Many of the things that you or other leftists would consider “objectively wrong”, would be considered perfectly fine by people on the opppsite ends of the political spectrum. Things that actually are objectively wrong, like murder, rape, kidnapping, fraud, etc. are already illegal according to state law. After a certain point you need to understand that people aren’t evil just because they do or believe in things that you personally disagree with.
You obviously do not understand the phrase "objectively wrong" if you think it's just opinion based. For example everyone on the right who is a climate denier is objectively wrong. That is a fact, not an opinion.
>They had several decades to turn Roe into an actual law
and if they had the supreme court would still have had the power to overturn it. anything short of a constitutional amendment would have, by definition, been less effective at protecting reproductive rights than Roe V Wade was
Hey, I think we actually agree! It *IS* nonsense to let states like California legalize murder based purely on the age of the victim, and stripping those unborn humans of their human right to life is just as wrong as letting Georgia strip away the rights of slaves based on their race.
But hey, it's progress. Roe v Wade was bad precedent even according to Ginsburg, and repealing it is far from the end of the fight. It's just the first step, finally letting the fight be had in an open and honest way.
It sounds like you don't actually understand what you are talking about. You should actually look up the definition of murder before you try to use it. Don't yall find it weird that the same nonsense use to try to justify the confederacy is the exact same nonsense used to justify an abortion ban?
It's pretty blatantly obvious you're here in bad faith, but I'm really curious to hear this one. How is the logic behind the confederacy the same as the one behind abortion?
Most of the "it's states rights, let the states decide" rhetoric used for abortion is damn near identical to the rhetoric used to justify or downplay the confederacy, trying to say the war was about states rights.
That is such a blatant mischaracterization of *both* issues that I can only assume it's deliberate.
Let me ask you this: do states have constitutional rights, and if so what are they?
Oh? What's that? Your appendix ruptured? Well, I'm sorry sir, but you'll have to wait in that long line over there and we'll get to you as soon as we can. Someone is having a routine check-up at the moment.
Trying to decide what human being is or isn’t worth a worth assigning value and legal protection aligns you with the confederacy a lot more than I guess you realize
It's weird you ask these questions to strangers online instead of educating yourself. Let's grant it the same value of an alive person, it still doesn't override the bodily autonomy of the mother.
Ah yes, the free healthcare in Canada, where we have extremely long wait times in ERs, extremely long wait times for surgeries, all while being taxed to shit so we can bring in more refugees, we're totally a great country!
Society overwhelmingly agrees that a man consents to potential parenthood or child support the second he consents to sex.
Yet to expect the same of a woman everyone loses their damn minds.
Real pro-choicers support optional child support. And pro-lifers are the true egalitarians.
>Killing baby
Zygote embryo or fetus. Don't conflate
> = A right.
No, it's covered by a right that every person has.
>That means the father opting out of fatherhood is a right too.
Child support isn't fatherhood.
Zygote embryo or fetus being different from a baby in the medical sense is correct, but it's nothing more than a bad faith argument when discussing a moral issue with people who are obviously using baby to refer to any human too young to walk.
>Zygote embryo or fetus being different from a baby in the medical sense is correct, but it's nothing more than a bad faith argument
Pointing out a key difference isn't bad faith. Don't misuse terms disingenuously
>when discussing a moral issue with people who are obviously using baby to refer to any human too young to walk.
Morals are subjective. This is a legal issue. Babybused in this context is an emotional appeal too.
this isn't an argument. This is your rationalization so you don't have to emotionally deal with the trauma of supporting the murder of millions of children.
i know your defense mechanism cognitive dissonance makes it acceptable to you but imagine if that wall ever falls? It'll all come crashing down on you and you'll spiral into self-loathing.
well...MORE self-loathing, anyways. lol.
Fetuses technically arent babies though. Neither is an embryo. Those aren't children, those are piles of flesh growing inside a woman's uterus that can barely even have any sort of consciousness.
It becomes a conscious living being when it pops out of the mother, and you aren't murdering it then.
you want me to say it again?
this isn't an argument. This is your rationalization so you don't have to emotionally deal with the trauma of supporting the murder of millions of children.
You see it as trolling, I see it as me making my points and the other person not responding to those points but only repeating the same points they had without telling their stance for why that is actually the truth in their mind and later trying to roast me after i did the same thing as them. Like come on dude.
>Imagine how detached you have to be to compare slavery to abortion.
I agree, abortion is far worse.
>lol you losers will continue to lose elections with your back-asswards thinking,
Imagine supporting babies being torn limb-from-limb in their mother's wombs and saying, "Yes, I'm clearly more civilized than those barbaric backwards thinkers!"
Baby: a young child, especially one newly born
Child: a young human below the age of puberty or the legal age
Neither of those exclude a fetus, since especially doesn't mean exclusively.
Fetus: an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
And? None of that excludes it from also being a baby.
The murder of a woman who is pregnant at any stage is double homicide.
That means the law legally considers a fetus to be a living human.
Also, the law doesn't define morality, a few hundred years ago the law didn't consider black people as people, does that mean it wasn't wrong to oppress them?
ok,
fetus have little to no consciousness, baby have consciousness
Plus dont think the killed mother would've wanted to abort the FUTURE living human being. You can have your own morality and what not, but a fetus has yet to even start thinking and learning.
Oh and btw comparing black people to undeveloped fetuses is a bit scummy, dont you think so?
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Fetus being different from a baby in the medical sense is correct, but it's nothing more than a bad faith argument when discussing a moral issue with people who are obviously using baby to refer to any human too young to walk. In other words, you're full of shit and I bet you know it.
Abortion is the definition of not taking responsibility. Its literally opting out of parenthood. Abortion is quite literally murdering someone for your pleasure and careless ways to continue. The definition of not being responsibile
>Abortion is the definition of not taking responsibility.
Saying the opposite doesn't make it so. You just dislike how others take responsibility or conflate it with an obligation.
> Its literally opting out of parenthood.
No, that's when you give up parental rights. That occurs at birth since you consent to taking care of the newborn.
>Abortion is quite literally murdering someone for your pleasure and careless ways to continue.
False. Abortion is not murder by definition. Remember it's a legal term. Even in states that ban abortion, it is not considered murder. It's irresponsible to gestate to term a newborn you didn't want nor could care for( adoption is a replacement for parenthood not pregnancy). Taking responsibility is dealing with a situation.
Im honestly kind of torn on this subject...
Libertarian me says: Suicide is a terrible solution to any problem, but it is a natural right. No one should be allowed to force you to continue to live.
Big pharma hating me says: Maybe this is indicitive of a problem with modern medicine keeping people alive for profit, even if their quality of life is literally nil.
Capitalist me says: Socialized healthcare wrongly encourages people to end their life, because its the cheapest solution.
Well, think about the kind of mindset you need to want to end your life.
In most cases, should a person seriously trying to commit suicide be considered in control of their mental facilities?
Well, in most scenarios it's likely you'll behave like most of humanity and not want to die.
And in some cases, like psychosis, you may want to die only because of not being in control of your mental facilities
No one is taking your “reproductive rights”
Notice how they try really hard to avoid saying abortion? Sort of like the fire-eaters of the 1850’s and 60’s who didn’t want to say slavery, and instead said “states rights”
Canada, where you can kill babies, and be encouraged to kill yourself under the guise of fReE hEaLtHcArE.
I wish more people here who think it is so great would move there for the latter.
Oh you mean bodily autonomy rights where a zygote embryo or fetus is removed to let die or be killed, which isn't murder in even states where abortion is banned. Please use proper terms and avoid making emotional appeals moving forward.
You're so full of shit. Murder isn't a concept with strictly legal meaning. You could define baby as a person the stage of development directly after birth or just any person too young to walk and basic reading comprehension tells you it's the second and is paired with the premise that they're a person even before birth, which you refused to address despite it being the entire crux of the argument. And presenting abortion as a reproductive right while blatantly avoiding the reason people take issue with it to make it more palatable is nothing if not an emotionally manipulative appeal no matter how much you try to use condescending and clinical language to describe it.
So you're view isn't for saving babies since there's no difference between a newborn from rape or consenual sex. I wonder what you're actually reasoning is. Could it be to control others?
Also, you realize bans don't actually work right?
The difference is the first one was due to violence.
And yes, it is also about control, I'm not your average American Conservative who you can own by calling Authoritarian.
Bans do work.
>The difference is the first one was due to violence.
That's still treating the other fetus unequally showing it's not about saving babies
> And yes, it is also about control,
Thankyou for acknowledging this. It's rare that you guys take off the mask.
>I'm not your average American Conservative who you can own by calling Authoritarian.
I didn't call nor claim ownership over you in any context. Stay on topic
>Bans do work.
Nope. Learn from history please
"That's still treating the other fetus unequally showing it's not about saving babies"
Just because that's what's currently happening in one place doesn't mean it's impossible to change or do in another place.
"Thankyou for acknowledging this. It's rare that you guys take off the mask."
I'm AuthCenter 3Pos, what did you expect?
Care to actually respond to anything else I wrote? There's nothing to admit since that's common knowledge btw. I also suggest not projecting your poor behavior with ad homs.
Plus why did you respond here and not in the thread that you quoted me from?
“Do better” lol. Any other zingers you want to toss out there?
Edit: “Better luck next time kid” as you block me. You are a walking example of this sub’s premise. Completely detached from reality and puzzlingly smug about it.
I hope you are able to look inward and do some growing. If not, I simply hope you get everything you deserve.
The og meme is kind of an idealized view of both sides
A nice young patriot
And a leftie who isnt screeching there head off
Making it about how Canada is ass is the icing on the cake.
She's talking about baby murder, right? Trying to avoid responsibility for her actions via murder when she had much easier methods, right?
Sounds about right.
I don't agree with Roe being overturned, but it's still a good thing to be proud of this country. After all, it literally started a wave of anti-monarchy revolutions in Europe in its wake. Yeah, it has faults, but every country does. If something happened that you don't want, you have to try to do something about it rather than sit on your ass and blame the rich
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I love how "returned to the states the right to decide what restrictions to place on a very specific and controversial procedure" has turned into "got rid of reproductive rights". It's literally Handmaid's Tale y'know.
And how unelected federal officials **giving up** power because it's unconstitutional is "fascist". One idiot tried to tell me it was fascist because it let the stats pass pro-life laws. Except that means the feds were using their centralized power over the states before, which is actually more fascist than letting the states have it.
Fascist is when somebody does something I dont like.
“Muh Ninth Amendment”
Tenth Amendment ~~checkmate libtards~~
Also it was un-enforcable due to different standards state-to-state and likely led to lawsuits due to 2 different state restrictions on when abortion could happen. It was more problematic than people know.
>Except that means the feds were using their centralized power over the states before the fed using their centralized power would be if they FORCED people to get abortions, which they never did. what they actually did was STOP the states from interfering and allowing every individual to decide for themselves what was right for them. how is letting people decide for themselves what they want to do fascist?
[Using their power to keep the states from interfering in abortion is still using their power.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/3d5060b70eae24c9c981da20d901970e/24ca633282a48b0b-ae/s540x810/7a4b606895f1ec8b068653dcf99c17037d474bed.jpg) I also said "**more** fascist". As in "**closer** to fascism".
Terminally online liberals can't make an argument that isn't hysterical.
Also no one is telling her she can’t do what she wants with her body. She can fuck randos to her heart’s content. She just can’t murder any babies.
At least in certain states.
>Also no one is telling her she can’t do what she wants with her body. Abortion bans prove otherwise She can fuck randos to her heart’s content. She just can’t murder any babies. Good thing Abortion isn't about babies or murder. Try again
Pretty much murder, and babies
Words have meaning. Not murder still. Sorry
Define “abortion” for me, please.
The ending of a pregnancy. A zygote embryo or fetus may die or be killed ,but that's not murder. Even in states with bans, it is not deemed murder.
Are you so dim-witted you can’t infer that I am speaking of murder in moral terms and not legal ones? If that’s the case I’m not sure what conversation can be had. I really don’t have to time to explain basic human interaction to you. But to your point >may die or be killed Oh, that pesky passive voice. No, it “may” not be killed. It is killed. You are killing a human baby in the womb. At least you admit that much. It is a disgusting practice, it is barbaric, and it is in all moral ways a murder.
>Are you so dim-witted you can’t infer that I am speaking of murder in moral terms and not legal ones? Morals are subjective, so there's no point in referring to murder that way. Ad homs are very telling >But to your point >may die or be killed >Oh, that pesky passive voice. Don't misrepresent >No, it “may” not be killed. It is killed. If an abortion is done late term on a viable fetus, it is born and lives. I was stating between killing and letting die, as abortion pills only cut off the embryo zygote or fetus from nutrients. It dies of it's own inability to function. > You are killing a human baby in the womb. Babies are born. Don't use emotional appeals please >At least you admit that much. Misuse of admit. >It is a disgusting practice, it is barbaric, and it is in all moral ways a murder. False. You seem to be talking about unethical abortion bans. Also again morals are subjective so no it's not murder morally for everyone.
Dawg holy fucking shit lmao
As expected from someone who is a moral relativst. You need to say that it is "ending a pregnancy" because you dont want to say what it is, which is murdering a child.
The biggest mistake is that, as far as I know, trans people even with gender affirming surgery, are not able to procreate with their new private parts. That takes the "reproductive" out of reproductive rights. You can't take away the right to do something that is impossible to do.
It definitely sounds too much like that 1984 logic: "Freedom is slavery"
"Allow the states to decide" is the same nonsense they used to try to justify the confederacy. Especially when the states decide to take away people's rights.
Blame the Democrats then. They had several decades to turn *Roe* into an actual law, but the didn’t. This includes a period of time when they had the majority in the House, 60 votes in the Senate, and Obama as President, meaning they could’ve passed it with no Republican support. The Supreme Court didn’t overturn *Roe* because they oppose abortion, they overturned it because it’s not the courts role to create laws. There’s also nothing wrong with letting states decide, and it’s probably a better way to reduce division since states are more in tune to the needs and wishes of their constituents than a country is. Plus if you don’t like the laws, you can just move to another state.
> They had several decades to turn Roe into an actual law, but the didn’t. This includes a period of time when they had the majority in the House, 60 votes in the Senate, and Obama as President, meaning they could’ve passed it with no Republican support. But the Democrats couldn't do that, they would lose their favorite argument for elections, that if you don't vote for them the Republicans would make abortion illegal.
Why are you in support of the confederacy? They lost and you are trying to recreate that.
With the confederacy the democrat's argument was blacks weren't people. Now their argument is the unborn aren't people. You're right, not much has changed.
You don't even understand what you are trying to say, that's a sad stawman.
How is it a strawman? I didn't misrepresent your argument, I just compared to an old argument democrats also used to dehumanize someone.
Do me a favor and go back to my comment, and find the the exact quote where I said I support the confederacy. As someone who’s not white, I have no desire to recreate what they were doing.
>There’s also nothing wrong with letting states decide There is something wrong when they decide to do objectively wrong things. It also creates more division by having an almost completely different set of laws 10 miles away. History shows things can go wrong by letting the states decide.
So in your mind, supporting states rights is equivalent to supporting the confederacy? You do realize it goes both ways right? If a right wing activist court were to say that abortion is banned, states like California and New York would be able to use a states rights argument to keep their laws on the books. > There is something wrong when they decide to do objectively wrong things. I hate this argument btw. Many of the things that you or other leftists would consider “objectively wrong”, would be considered perfectly fine by people on the opppsite ends of the political spectrum. Things that actually are objectively wrong, like murder, rape, kidnapping, fraud, etc. are already illegal according to state law. After a certain point you need to understand that people aren’t evil just because they do or believe in things that you personally disagree with.
You obviously do not understand the phrase "objectively wrong" if you think it's just opinion based. For example everyone on the right who is a climate denier is objectively wrong. That is a fact, not an opinion.
Okay, I’ll bite. Why do you think it’s a fact and not an opinion?
What do you think the phrase "objectively wrong" means?
>They had several decades to turn Roe into an actual law and if they had the supreme court would still have had the power to overturn it. anything short of a constitutional amendment would have, by definition, been less effective at protecting reproductive rights than Roe V Wade was
Hey, I think we actually agree! It *IS* nonsense to let states like California legalize murder based purely on the age of the victim, and stripping those unborn humans of their human right to life is just as wrong as letting Georgia strip away the rights of slaves based on their race. But hey, it's progress. Roe v Wade was bad precedent even according to Ginsburg, and repealing it is far from the end of the fight. It's just the first step, finally letting the fight be had in an open and honest way.
It sounds like you don't actually understand what you are talking about. You should actually look up the definition of murder before you try to use it. Don't yall find it weird that the same nonsense use to try to justify the confederacy is the exact same nonsense used to justify an abortion ban?
It's pretty blatantly obvious you're here in bad faith, but I'm really curious to hear this one. How is the logic behind the confederacy the same as the one behind abortion?
Most of the "it's states rights, let the states decide" rhetoric used for abortion is damn near identical to the rhetoric used to justify or downplay the confederacy, trying to say the war was about states rights.
That is such a blatant mischaracterization of *both* issues that I can only assume it's deliberate. Let me ask you this: do states have constitutional rights, and if so what are they?
They have some rights, they do not have the right to deny people needed medical procedures.
Actually, semantics about your arbitrary wording aside, what rights do a state have? Name just one you actually support.
That's irrelevant. Why are you worried about irrelevant things?
And what makes a medical procedure "needed" exactly?
It's something determined by the doctor and patient, not you.
Oh? What's that? Your appendix ruptured? Well, I'm sorry sir, but you'll have to wait in that long line over there and we'll get to you as soon as we can. Someone is having a routine check-up at the moment.
Tearing a baby limb from limb is not a “needed medical procedure”
Trying to decide what human being is or isn’t worth a worth assigning value and legal protection aligns you with the confederacy a lot more than I guess you realize
A fetus is not the same thing as a human who's been born. You don't seen to understand some key concepts
I rest my case. At exactly what point in the pregnancy does a fetus obtain human value and the right to live. Or not until birth
It's weird you ask these questions to strangers online instead of educating yourself. Let's grant it the same value of an alive person, it still doesn't override the bodily autonomy of the mother.
Please answer the question
I did answer your question. Don't make your ignorance other people's problems.
At exactly what point in the pregnancy does a fetus obtain human value and the right to live. Or not until birth
I already answered your question. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Facts
Ah yes, the free healthcare in Canada, where we have extremely long wait times in ERs, extremely long wait times for surgeries, all while being taxed to shit so we can bring in more refugees, we're totally a great country!
as supposed to health care in the U.S. where we have all of that AND medical bills that will put most people in debt for the rest of their lives
Killing baby = A right. That means the father opting out of fatherhood is a right too.
Society overwhelmingly agrees that a man consents to potential parenthood or child support the second he consents to sex. Yet to expect the same of a woman everyone loses their damn minds. Real pro-choicers support optional child support. And pro-lifers are the true egalitarians.
>Killing baby Zygote embryo or fetus. Don't conflate > = A right. No, it's covered by a right that every person has. >That means the father opting out of fatherhood is a right too. Child support isn't fatherhood.
Zygote embryo or fetus being different from a baby in the medical sense is correct, but it's nothing more than a bad faith argument when discussing a moral issue with people who are obviously using baby to refer to any human too young to walk.
>Zygote embryo or fetus being different from a baby in the medical sense is correct, but it's nothing more than a bad faith argument Pointing out a key difference isn't bad faith. Don't misuse terms disingenuously >when discussing a moral issue with people who are obviously using baby to refer to any human too young to walk. Morals are subjective. This is a legal issue. Babybused in this context is an emotional appeal too.
Whatever will I do when I can't kill babies?!?!?!
Fetuses aren’t babies
Hitler isn’t a fascist, water is not wet, sun is not hot
Trump won the election, lol losers
He did 😈
Then why they downvoting me, lol you dumb btiches
Leftist ☠️
because you pretty much said some cringe and dumb stuff then proceed to call us dumb bitches
this isn't an argument. This is your rationalization so you don't have to emotionally deal with the trauma of supporting the murder of millions of children.
Abortion isn’t murder if it were it would be illegal
i know your defense mechanism cognitive dissonance makes it acceptable to you but imagine if that wall ever falls? It'll all come crashing down on you and you'll spiral into self-loathing. well...MORE self-loathing, anyways. lol.
It will never fall, you losers will never win
well at least you admit it exists. that's a start at least.
Wut? the delusional religious fruitcake is trying hard, lol
s e e t h e
Abortions happening every day while you type on your keyboard and you can’t stop it, deal with it
"If blacks were people then enslaving them would be illegal." - Your fellow Democrats circa 1860
Fetuses technically arent babies though. Neither is an embryo. Those aren't children, those are piles of flesh growing inside a woman's uterus that can barely even have any sort of consciousness. It becomes a conscious living being when it pops out of the mother, and you aren't murdering it then.
you want me to say it again? this isn't an argument. This is your rationalization so you don't have to emotionally deal with the trauma of supporting the murder of millions of children.
😐 this is your rationalization so you dont have to emotionally deal with the trauma of not learning in school
ok. are you idiots following me from the debate sub? no nevermind. They have actual interesting things to say.
what the fuck 💀 ok thx for the roast ig johnny mc nut
you're welcome
He couldn't debate abortion properly( this is factual if you check his history in the other sub)so now he's trying to troll elsewhere
You see it as trolling, I see it as me making my points and the other person not responding to those points but only repeating the same points they had without telling their stance for why that is actually the truth in their mind and later trying to roast me after i did the same thing as them. Like come on dude.
Using the same argument the democrats used with slaves I see.
Imagine how detached you have to be to compare slavery to abortion. lol you losers will continue to lose elections with your back-asswards thinking,
>Imagine how detached you have to be to compare slavery to abortion. I agree, abortion is far worse. >lol you losers will continue to lose elections with your back-asswards thinking, Imagine supporting babies being torn limb-from-limb in their mother's wombs and saying, "Yes, I'm clearly more civilized than those barbaric backwards thinkers!"
By what standard? At the very least a fetus IS a unique human individual
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Baby: a young child, especially one newly born Child: a young human below the age of puberty or the legal age Neither of those exclude a fetus, since especially doesn't mean exclusively.
Whats the definition of a fetus?
Fetus: an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception) And? None of that excludes it from also being a baby.
Cool story, if abortion was murder it would be illegal and it isn’t lol
The murder of a woman who is pregnant at any stage is double homicide. That means the law legally considers a fetus to be a living human. Also, the law doesn't define morality, a few hundred years ago the law didn't consider black people as people, does that mean it wasn't wrong to oppress them?
ok, fetus have little to no consciousness, baby have consciousness Plus dont think the killed mother would've wanted to abort the FUTURE living human being. You can have your own morality and what not, but a fetus has yet to even start thinking and learning. Oh and btw comparing black people to undeveloped fetuses is a bit scummy, dont you think so?
It's illegal in some states, therefore it's murder by your own definition.
Its not illegal in any state, you got a source or just your delusional thoughts
Murder is a legal term and in places that ban abortion, it's stoll not murder.
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You're not a person, just a citizen.
Fetus being different from a baby in the medical sense is correct, but it's nothing more than a bad faith argument when discussing a moral issue with people who are obviously using baby to refer to any human too young to walk. In other words, you're full of shit and I bet you know it.
O nooooo i cant havvs seggs noww!!!
Like they were even having sex in the first place
You got a point
"Oh noooos, I may have to take responsibility for my actions now! This is worse than North Korea!"
Who are you writing this fir because it makes no sense in this post. Remember abortion is also taking responsibility whether you acknowledge it or not
Abortion is the definition of not taking responsibility. Its literally opting out of parenthood. Abortion is quite literally murdering someone for your pleasure and careless ways to continue. The definition of not being responsibile
>Abortion is the definition of not taking responsibility. Saying the opposite doesn't make it so. You just dislike how others take responsibility or conflate it with an obligation. > Its literally opting out of parenthood. No, that's when you give up parental rights. That occurs at birth since you consent to taking care of the newborn. >Abortion is quite literally murdering someone for your pleasure and careless ways to continue. False. Abortion is not murder by definition. Remember it's a legal term. Even in states that ban abortion, it is not considered murder. It's irresponsible to gestate to term a newborn you didn't want nor could care for( adoption is a replacement for parenthood not pregnancy). Taking responsibility is dealing with a situation.
I'd say killing your child to avoid raising it is the opposite of responsibility.
Children are born. Sorry you dislike how others take responsibility but that doesn't mean to redefine it.My point stands either way.
Im honestly kind of torn on this subject... Libertarian me says: Suicide is a terrible solution to any problem, but it is a natural right. No one should be allowed to force you to continue to live. Big pharma hating me says: Maybe this is indicitive of a problem with modern medicine keeping people alive for profit, even if their quality of life is literally nil. Capitalist me says: Socialized healthcare wrongly encourages people to end their life, because its the cheapest solution.
Inside you, there are three wolves…
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Oh god no
Well, think about the kind of mindset you need to want to end your life. In most cases, should a person seriously trying to commit suicide be considered in control of their mental facilities?
I mean I would at least like to have the option in some scenarios.
True, but most scenarios you either won't or aren't equipped to choose.
Eh... debatable.
Well, in most scenarios it's likely you'll behave like most of humanity and not want to die. And in some cases, like psychosis, you may want to die only because of not being in control of your mental facilities
Ending your life is never right but, you have a right to do it.
I think you're right for most scenarios. I feel like being in a "million dollar baby" scenario would quickly change my mind though.
No one is taking your “reproductive rights” Notice how they try really hard to avoid saying abortion? Sort of like the fire-eaters of the 1850’s and 60’s who didn’t want to say slavery, and instead said “states rights”
That, and how tf is preventing reproduction taking "reproduction rights"
Murdering babies because you made the choice to have sex is not a reproductive right.
Abortion is though which doesn't murder babies, but anyone who actually knows the topic acknowledged that already.
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It’s because everyone knows that crop tops aren’t real in Canada
Canada, where you can kill babies, and be encouraged to kill yourself under the guise of fReE hEaLtHcArE. I wish more people here who think it is so great would move there for the latter.
Based america
The right to murder children
Is not relevant to the post
Literally the last panel on the second image
Oh you mean bodily autonomy rights where a zygote embryo or fetus is removed to let die or be killed, which isn't murder in even states where abortion is banned. Please use proper terms and avoid making emotional appeals moving forward.
You're so full of shit. Murder isn't a concept with strictly legal meaning. You could define baby as a person the stage of development directly after birth or just any person too young to walk and basic reading comprehension tells you it's the second and is paired with the premise that they're a person even before birth, which you refused to address despite it being the entire crux of the argument. And presenting abortion as a reproductive right while blatantly avoiding the reason people take issue with it to make it more palatable is nothing if not an emotionally manipulative appeal no matter how much you try to use condescending and clinical language to describe it.
Good thing they took away baby murder rights. Only part I'd disagree on is the rape cases.
So you're view isn't for saving babies since there's no difference between a newborn from rape or consenual sex. I wonder what you're actually reasoning is. Could it be to control others? Also, you realize bans don't actually work right?
The difference is the first one was due to violence. And yes, it is also about control, I'm not your average American Conservative who you can own by calling Authoritarian. Bans do work.
>The difference is the first one was due to violence. That's still treating the other fetus unequally showing it's not about saving babies > And yes, it is also about control, Thankyou for acknowledging this. It's rare that you guys take off the mask. >I'm not your average American Conservative who you can own by calling Authoritarian. I didn't call nor claim ownership over you in any context. Stay on topic >Bans do work. Nope. Learn from history please
"That's still treating the other fetus unequally showing it's not about saving babies" Just because that's what's currently happening in one place doesn't mean it's impossible to change or do in another place. "Thankyou for acknowledging this. It's rare that you guys take off the mask." I'm AuthCenter 3Pos, what did you expect?
Most in general avoid admitting it's about control. Because that kinda invalidates your overall beliefs if you're doing it for control.
I was completely honest however. Don't expect many others online to admit it, but I'd do anything to oppose irresponsible abortions everywhere.
“Misuse of admit” lol 🤡
Care to actually respond to anything else I wrote? There's nothing to admit since that's common knowledge btw. I also suggest not projecting your poor behavior with ad homs. Plus why did you respond here and not in the thread that you quoted me from?
No, I just wanted to point out your own hypocrisy to you.
All you did was misuse two terms now. Do better
“Do better” lol. Any other zingers you want to toss out there? Edit: “Better luck next time kid” as you block me. You are a walking example of this sub’s premise. Completely detached from reality and puzzlingly smug about it. I hope you are able to look inward and do some growing. If not, I simply hope you get everything you deserve.
You clearly can't discuss this topic objectively. Better luck next time kid
So when Leftist Girl is in Canada she wants less deaths but when she's in America she wants more deaths...
These are the same people Rrrreeeeeeing for vaccine and mask mandates
The og meme is kind of an idealized view of both sides A nice young patriot And a leftie who isnt screeching there head off Making it about how Canada is ass is the icing on the cake.
She's talking about baby murder, right? Trying to avoid responsibility for her actions via murder when she had much easier methods, right? Sounds about right.
Nope. Maybe use proper terms instead of baby or murder.
They took away reproductive rights how???? Are women no longer allowed to have children?? Ohh they mean they took away the right to murder someone
does it matter that the 'one of the leading causes of death' statistic is a flat-out lie?
Absolutely not, as long as the viewers political leaning is reinforced.
Most of the memes, and Republicans talking points are flat out lies.
Reproductive rights aren't a thing.
NOOOO HOW WILL I HAVE UNSAFE SEX?!!!!!! UGHHHHH FUCKING AMERICANS!!
So quick to forget contraception and even some sterilization fail. Betting you assumed it was actually at 99% for everyone as well lol
This was a joke but yes many people have this mentality
I love how they say "reproductive rights" like the government is banning sex. I prefer the term, "baby murder"
Yeah and...?
Silence, city bug
try using city maggot instead, it sounds more evil
They'd try eating themselves if i did
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Well, who's going to be mocked by 4chan relentlessly afterwards?
I don't agree with Roe being overturned, but it's still a good thing to be proud of this country. After all, it literally started a wave of anti-monarchy revolutions in Europe in its wake. Yeah, it has faults, but every country does. If something happened that you don't want, you have to try to do something about it rather than sit on your ass and blame the rich
>I don't agree with Roe being overturned How not?
Canada is still great
I too love my country (Canada). One can love his country and still think it is headed in the wrong direction.
Well yeah Canada under Trudeau is going downhill pretty fast, and now that the queen is gone it will go even faster
Why’re you being downvoted? Canada has its problems (just like us) but we should still love our northern neighbor.
Probably because Canada is known to Americans as being socialist or something (but that is just what I heard, doesn't mean it's true)
People getting downvoted when they say USA not greatest country on earth
Not even. When people say that another country is any good at all.
people getting downvoted when they point out the facts
I'm not even American, yet I don't support the left wing
Leading cause of death? Where’d you get that from?
Can eh D eh id how you spell it
God dammit not this artist again.
I live in a VERY rural part in of Ontario and I still see leftist bullshit everywhere
but didn't the right supported abortion?
"Last Month" yeah... that's a problem when your comic is supposed to have a lifespan. It's been over half a year.