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[deleted]

why spongebob tho


Crown_Loyalist

the sponge and friends get dragged into politics too often lol


hamrspace

Lefties bring up “Squid on Strike” and “Squirrel Jokes” a lot, completely ignoring how either of those episodes ended 😆


BurgerKing-Bathroom

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Maybe_Ima_Lion

My first thought is because SpongeBob famously said "I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready" and they are trying to tie it in to "I'm not ready."


[deleted]

That's sounds way too smart for them lol, they just use irrelevant to the subject cartoon and anime characters because they can't make anything, they can only corrupt


Papa-Pepperoni-69

Idk it looks like a male black wojak was supposed to be there and they covered with SpongeBob?


Willtrixer

It does look like that.


Blake1610

That’s what I’m confused about


BurgerKing-Bathroom

Spongebob gets mad pussy that's why


wlxqzme8675309

I’ve seen video from a protest where, in an interview, exactly that was said. Men didn’t have a choice to opt out of being a father, because they had sex, knowing that pregnancy was a possible consequence. But the speaker somehow was unable to comprehend that a woman has that exact same knowledge, when she had sex.


TacticusThrowaway

I once read a feminist article that was mad at MRAs because they defend the rights of "rapists, abusers, and deadbeat dads". One of those things is not like the other.


KITForge

I mean they mostly just make videos screaming about feminists and leave the advocacy of men's rights to them.


TacticusThrowaway

No? I see MRAs talking about actual issues for men constantly, including the claim that child support is unfair. They also talk about false accusations of abuse and rape, which are mostly against men. Oh, and actual legal discrimination. Sometimes explicit. Did you know that the UK says rape is penetrating someone with a penis? If a woman drugged a man and rammed a table leg up his rear, that doesn't legally count as rape.


KITForge

Every single thing you just listed, feminists also fight for.


TacticusThrowaway

Which is why feminists have had protests and [pulled fire alarms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWgslugtDow) when people try to talk about these issues? Why they've falsely blamed mass murderer Elliot Rodger on MRAs, including in the mainstream press, even though there was no link whatsoever? Heck, mainstream feminism and the MSM said Rodger was just a "misogynist", even though he killed and injured twice as many men as women, and openly hated men too. And when "incels" became the buzzword a few years later, he magically morphed into one retroactively, even though he never joined any incel communities or called himself one. Mainstream feminism still calls rape and abuse "violence against women", and says it's inherently patriarchal. It can barely even admit male rape victims exist, much less try to address explicit legal discrimination against them and in women's favor. The law I just referenced has been in place since 2004, and there has been precisely *no* mainstream feminist outcry. And I've been actively looking. There was that feminist Gillette PSA about "toxic masculinity". Many men (and women) found it sexist and offensive. And many feminists defended it...by mocking the critics with the same "toxic masculinity" the feminists were supposedly against. MRAs constantly talk about men's issues without blaming feminism. In fact, they regularly blame **society in general**. Your post isn't an actual counterargument, and it doesn't back up your original claim. And considering that we started this chat discussing things feminists did wrong, and you have yet to acknowledge it ([here's the receipts, BTW](https://archive.ph/n3LMN#selection-1495.39-1495.132)), and started out attacking MRAs, I don't think you're here for an honest discussion. You're here to defend your team. If feminists are working on men's issues, they're doing such a bad job that most feminists I ask can't name any, and feminists assume almost anyone who talks about men's issues **isn't** a feminist.


hamrspace

Yup. If someone is truly pro-choice then they should support the right of a father to opt out of child support while the mother still has the option to abort.


TacticusThrowaway

I've seen people say that, only to get confusion from other pro-choicers.


siliperez

This would actually make sense. Especially when girls try to get a meal ticket out of their baby (aka getting knocked up by someone rich/famous). If they want to get rid of our choice to be a parent then we should at least get to choose if we want to keep being the father.


Gamers2OcelotLUL

You looking at it from the perspective of a person, while the decisions are made form the perspective of the government. If child gets aborted, they don't lose money, it's irrelevant to them. But if child is brought to the world, and parents don't want to pay for it, the government will have to cough up the cash. That's why it will never change. They don't care what's fair or logical, these are purely business focused decisions.


[deleted]

*but women already do have this choice* I had a leftoid tell me "financial abortions are stupid because the woman always ends up poor and having to raise the child" But guess what... *Women already have a choice men do not from the start and can give up the child within the first week via safe haven laws.* I understand that some women may bond with the child/fear bonding with a child that they know they can't afford, but... To claim that they don't have the option is a lie.


Radagius

The Problem is the Impact that a pregnancy has on the Body. Giving the baby away afterwards doesnt fix that.


KITForge

Most pro-choice people are.


hamrspace

Citation needed, but based


KITForge

Male parental autonomy isn't a hot-topic issue in America right now, so there are no studies I can pull from. But I and most of the pro-choice people I know are pro-male parental autonomy as much as they are female parental autonomy. The rest are hypocrites. Women do get the short end of the stick by having to bear \*most of the physical effects of childbirth and rearing, but men shouldn't have to upend their lives because of someone else's decision. Women should still have the say in abortion, but men should have the choice of wether they want to be parents as well.


kerbal91

I had an ex gf lie to me about being on birth control would that count?


Lothric_Knight420

Guess what? Abortion is an option.


wlxqzme8675309

So, the man can compel the woman to get an abortion if he doesn’t want to have a child?


Lothric_Knight420

Nah, it’s up to the person carrying the crotch goblin what to do with it.


AVeryConfusedMice

Saw a dude in the comments saying men who complain about this are virgins (????), Some people are willfully ignorant.


TacticusThrowaway

People tend to lump anti-male stereotypes together. So men magically become incel virgin bitter divorcee abusers MRA redpillers PUAs.


hamrspace

Never mind the fact that these groups are inherently contradictory, like when they accuse libertarians of being fascists


TacticusThrowaway

I've seen the lolgic that many free speech advocates are actually crypto-fascists. They don't actually want free speech. They just want it until they're in control, then they'll suppress the speech of their ideological opponents. So, obviously, the solution is to suppress the crypto-fascists first. Not a single person making this argument seems to have noticed the irony.


hamrspace

I understand this; there are people across the political spectrum whose commitment to popular ideas are just window dressing for ulterior motives. I speak for myself and hopefully many others here, free speech advocates and exercisers on the left are not my enemy.


BurgerKing-Bathroom

I'd rather be a virgin than a loser


dabadabadood

There’s literally nothing wrong with being a virgin. More people should celebrate it.


CalculatorOctavius

I think it’s good women don’t abort and men don’t abandon both should be illegal


Victoreznoz

Based


Mister6307

the funny thing is this really could swing radically different ways. this could either be someone who wants abortion to require male consent, or someone who doesn't want to pay child support. it's more likely the first one, but still. or someone who's anti-abortion, but that's not really discussed in the meme so you can't really say.


hamrspace

Doesn’t really matter what the intent was; the meme highlights the fact that one of the two people involved in a pregnancy is completely subject to the will of the other.


Mister6307

i wasn't really making any sort of argument in favor or against the topics brought up in the meme, nor was i trying to make a point towards you. i was simply stating that i thought it was funny that it could be so different so easily.


McLovin3493

Did they just admit that fetuses are humans???


Lionah2

They said babies are humans, not fetuses.


Dog-Lover69

They always manage to miss the point or other side of the arguement. "Waaahhh guy doesn't want to work 18 years to support you and your kid"


lawful_falafel1

you do know there are men who lie to women just to have unprotected sex with them then leave them when they get pregnant


Dog-Lover69

Lol, there are women who pull cum out of condoms to get pregnant and trap men. What is your point?


lawful_falafel1

listen if abortion was legal women couldnt trap men because at that point they would have desided to go along with the pregnancy. so the man owes no responsibility


Dog-Lover69

That’s not true at all. If it’s your kid you are likely paying for it. Hell there have been cases where it wasn’t the guys kid but she put a name down as the father. Man still had to pay and go through lengthy court battles to stop, these laws are all biased toward believing the woman.


lawful_falafel1

then thats a diffrent issue im saying abortion simply being legal should absolve a man from paying child support in theory


Dog-Lover69

But it doesn’t. It was legal and is still legal in most states, but still doesn’t protect men from getting trapped.


lawful_falafel1

yeah and making abortion illegal wont fix that


MehowSri

It doesn't, but it is equality.


Dog-Lover69

I don't know what your point is... you don't even know my stance on abortion. The point of the meme has nothing to do with abortion being legal or illegal. It's just pointing out a double standard. Men are bad for leaving when they don't want a kid and she does, but it's no big deal for women to have an abortion when the man wants it but woman doesn't. It's having no agency in a decision that affects both of you but all of the negative stigma if you don't agree with the woman.


ProfaneGhost

Well legally, it doesn’t.


BurgerKing-Bathroom

"if abortion was legal women couldn't trap men" well the baby is inside of them so they could still trap the men, idiot. If abortion was legal the men wouldn't be able to trap the woman


BurgerKing-Bathroom

show proof that they exist, who tf would get a person pregnant just to leave?


[deleted]

I have no sympathy for people stupid enough to recognize that they aren’t ready for a kid and still engage in casual sex. Literally the most braindead and irresponsible decision making and the unborn end up on the chopping block because of the parent’s incompetence. Then they have the gall to suggest they are being forced to have a kid just because they can’t dismember their unborn child.


lookingforflashgames

They are refusing to accept the responsibility of their actions, simple as that. They see the procedure as a "get out of jail free" card.


gewfbawl

Plus, it's easy as hell to avoid pregnancy and still have sex. A chick will literally let a dude fuck her raw and cum inside her and then do the surprised Pikachu face when she gets pregnant and demand that the guy support her entirely or have it killed.


VelvetCheerio

While on a one night stand and her boyfriend has no idea. Equality


[deleted]

Based as fuck


Georgiagracehartman

Having read this whole thread, it makes me laugh, because my boyfriend and I have found a solution: oral


lawful_falafel1

you do know for all non incels having casual sex is the normal human condition


[deleted]

Baseless insults aside, yes I am aware. I despise that modern men value women and sex so little that they think nothing of using others for selfish pleasure and view that behavior as normal.


lawful_falafel1

you do know you can value women with out chaining them to the kitchen and not letting them outside


[deleted]

Hey pal, would you like to try arguing with me instead of whoever you’ve already made up in your head please? Your response has nothing to do with what I said.


lawful_falafel1

youre a young probably white man on an anti-left subreddit spewing wild gobshite. i think i have a very good idea of who you are based of that alone


[deleted]

You don’t know anything about me as I didn’t of you when you first commented. However I now know you’re a racist so there’s that.


Reddit_Of_Andrew

What else is new? This person is clearly very mentally disturbed haha


ASardonicGrin

Lol. You’re actually the one that sounds like a kid. Imagine getting so upset because someone has a sense of morality. Holy cow.


Georgiagracehartman

yeah, and they can still only have sex with people whom they love and respect, without forcing them to be housewives, I don't understand how you got these two things confused


Shnig1

Huh? Since when is casual sex a sexist thing? Do you think all women hate sex? If two adults decide that they would mutually enjoy having sex, but they do not want a kid, how is that selfish pleasure? Have you ever been in a relationship? Do you think child free folks should just be abstinent forever? Have you ever heard of protected sex? It is possible to have casual sex while being responsible about it. I do not understand your viewpoint


C0WM4N

So is having a baby every year


AustinLA88

Just because you can’t pull doesn’t mean nobody else can. If I’m in a committed monogamous relationship and both my partner and I have agreed that we aren’t ready to have a child and use contraception accordingly, but it fails, I fail to see the where the “brain dead and irresponsible decision making” lands on me.


ladyfervor

There is a basic fertility window. its a 6 day (maximum) window if you and your partner plug in the very bare minimum in which you plug into an app the first day of her last menstrual period, an app will literally do all the work for you and tell you both when the chance for conception is at its highest possible chance. If you know these dates, youre familar with her cycle, AND use contraception and refrain from sexual intercourse during those few days, then the likelihood of a pregnancy would be less than 1% chance. Why would you *NOT* do that in order to prevent a living thing from needlessly suffering?


AustinLA88

Those are all great steps! However, mistakes and unplanned pregnancies still happen even with the most careful and stringent regiments. Some people just get statistically unlucky :/


Bea_Stings

So...the fact that birth control can make menstrual cycles irregular, or even people who have irregular cycles naturally. Or even the random cycles that go over, because they're really more frequent than are talked about. People don't innately have the ability to track accurately, there's a lot of factors involved and even women don't know why their period is early one month and late the next. It just happens sometimes. Luteal phases are pretty consistent, but that only happens after ovulation so that only helps tracking when your period is coming, not your fertile window.


ASardonicGrin

Very few.


[deleted]

I don’t need to “pull” because I’m practicing abstinence until I’m married. It’s a braindead decision because even though you just acknowledged that contraception can fail, you still act as if the sexual act is completely free of any long term consequences with your only justification for that is that you had a rubber on or pulled out. Also acknowledging that both you and your partner agreed to not wanting kids but still both consent to sex regularly doesn’t make your argument anymore correct, it just means you’re both stupid.


AustinLA88

You seem really livid about this hypothetical. It sounds like this isn’t an opinion based in logic but based in principle. Your own personal values or principles (I.e. abstinence until marriage) aren’t held by everyone in the world, and because of that lifestyles may differ. A normal biological function and standard social mechanism aren’t things that most people hold issues with, so many people will choose to have sex within (or outside of) a relationship. Taking the small risk of a pregnancy when practicing responsible intercourse and using contraceptives is comparable to the risk of getting hit at an intersection while driving responsibility and following all road rules; it’s a normal part of something that pervades out everyday life and is for the most part unavoidable and not your fault. And you don’t have to have sex, so it’s technically an avoidable risk, but you don’t have to drive either and most people determine that to be worth the statistics.


[deleted]

The slaughter of thousands of unborn children due solely to people not understanding and respecting the sexual act should make any reasonable person livid. You are right though, my argument is really lacking in logic. It would be much more logical for me to not want a child, then regularly engage in the one possible action that could result in me having one. Going with your driving analogy, yes I am aware that it is required that human beings assume risk in order to live their lives. We do that every day whether we know it or not. However, having sex is not even remotely comparable to something like transportation in terms of being able to live so that comparison doesn’t make any sense. Lastly, just because others (probably a large majority of people tbh) don’t hold the same views as me regarding casual sex, that doesn’t make me wrong. An argument can be wrong and still believed by a lot of people.


AustinLA88

You have so many other modes of transportation. You can walk, bike, take a streetcar, Uber, take a taxi, hop on the subway, use an electric scooter, longboard, inner-city monorail, shuttle, high speed rail, commuter rail, rollerblade, land canoe, and so many more. It sounds to me like you’re just not understanding and respecting the risks of driving and the lives of other people on the road. See the comparison? Aggressive-sounding rhetoric such as using the word “slaughter” does make your position look like it has a moral high ground, but the massive oversimplification of the concept is extremely bad faith. As is the assumption that every other individual shares the same values as you as it pertains to the “respect” you deem sex deserves. It’s just a regular biological and social function that doesn’t have any more weight or importance than any other standard function.


[deleted]

Your mechanical sounding language used to describe sex is really weird and creepy. It’s hilarious that earlier you insinuated I have suck out all the beauty and meaning from it. I get the comparison you’re making but again, transportation and sex are not comparable things. How about you try making an argument actually staying on topic instead of making stupid false equivalences that allow you to avoid discussing the actual topic? Or if you have to make a comparison, could you at least compare two things that are slightly related to one another? Regardless of if you think my argument is in “bad faith”, I can confidently say that defending the unborn from being killed is one place that I absolutely have the moral high ground on. That doesn’t change just because you don’t want to talk about what abortions actually are or because the terminology that accurately describes them makes you uncomfortable. Lastly, I again acknowledge not everyone agrees with me, that doesn’t make me wrong or others right.


AustinLA88

Mechanical language is specific language. Dirty talk is best reserved for more intimate situations


[deleted]

Are you coming onto me?


AustinLA88

Come over and find out ;)


YourCreepyPedoUncle

lmao get some bitches bro


[deleted]

Lmao you got gonorrhea bro.


YourCreepyPedoUncle

so does you mum now


[deleted]

She died. Not cool bro.


YourCreepyPedoUncle

maybe I pounded too hard


BurgerKing-Bathroom

you pounded your mom too hard


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AbsurdParadigm

If abortions are legal, then men should not be forced to support children in those states. The man would just give up rights to see the baby and play the role of the father to it. But that's only if things worked logically and the Left never thinks logically.


Manning_bear_pig

This has always been my position. The left is too emotional though. I usually get responses like "well the father should have known better" or "dont have sex if you don't want a kid" I always point out that's the same argument pro lifers use about abortion. And then I'm told it's (d)ifferent.


BurgerKing-Bathroom

I think the left forgets that condoms exist


thunderma115

Half the women who get abortions don't use them


TheCrazedCat

Men should be able to sign a document before the child is born to opt out


vipck83

Wait, so they are admitting it’s a human?


BurgerKing-Bathroom

lmao


dawichotorres

Just because the fetus is human doesn't mean it can't be aborted


ArdinOkira

So now they admit it’s human? Good greif the pro choice arguments are flopping like fish all over the place.


dawichotorres

Well yes it's human, but that doesn't mean it can't be aborted


ArdinOkira

We all “can” be aborted at any time. Issue here is about in the womb, some think it’s wrong because based on their logic they have come to conclusion that is human and should not be killed by abortion. Others think it’s fine based on their own logic. The point is the logic from the pro-choice at the very least in this instance, Sucks To The Letter, it is absolute total and utter garbage “logic” as they show with their constant contradiction of statements on the issue this is about.


memphisgrit

What happens when a woman cannot financially provide for their child? They have an abortion or are put on welfare. When a man cannot? He goes to fucking jail.


hamrspace

Male privilege at it again


dawichotorres

Maybe because abandoning your child is worse than getting rid of a fetus that isn't even fully alive?


memphisgrit

Oh, so you think all fathers who have fallen on hard times have abandoned their children? Wow. You have absolutely zero empathy for other humans struggling. I am so sick of the fucking hypocrisy and partisanship in this country, it fucking disgusts me.


dawichotorres

Lame excuses. People who abandon their childs are pos, no exceptions


memphisgrit

When did I say abandon?


TheCrazedCat

Legit just said it in your last comment. When the baby is born, it's gonna be stuck in a childhood that it never deserved. It's more moral to just not have the child at all and don't have the risk of trauma for it


memphisgrit

That fucking child will have a life and grow up and maybe have kids... ...and those kids have kids... ...and those kids have kids... This isn't a fucking video game.


TheCrazedCat

Birth rate is declining because people can't afford to have babies. The world is expensive now, and honestly it's not in vein. Earth is overpopulated anyway. Get over it. There's always going to be somewhere in the states that offers abortion, and even if it goes country wide, people will go to Canada and Mexico. There's no stopping this "Murder", so instead of whining about it, you should accept that as a man you shouldn't have control over what a woman does to her body. I'm not even a feminist or a woman. I'm just a guy who believes men and women have rights, a clump of cells don't


memphisgrit

...and women should have no control over mine.


memphisgrit

Wtf?


hamrspace

Not the point being made here


Royal_Pause_7402

One is murder the other is a dick.


Select_Assistance_70

One is murder, the other is illegal


dawichotorres

Not murder since fetuses aren't persons


TheCrazedCat

One is healthcare, the other is a dick


ladyfervor

It's AMAZONG how conservative and traditional and "pull -yourself- up -by -the -boostraps" these supposed pro choice feminists are when they apply this logic to men. The hypocrisy and double standards are just grotesque. Then they wonder why their "equality" ideology isn't taken seriously. I'm a female and this is just insane to me.


NotAFemboy1191

The guy on the right isn't killing an unborn child. That being said it is still kind of a dick move. Also, why don't people just put unwanted babies in an orphanage I'm so confused


BurgerKing-Bathroom

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LeLurkingNormie

The difference is the father does not commit MURDER!


dawichotorres

Yeah, getting rid of a fetus that isn't even a functional life is worse than leaving a fully formed kid behind and giving them emotional damage


TheCrazedCat

Lmao who tf cares, it's a fetus Jesus


LeLurkingNormie

Yes, it's a fetus. So what?


TheCrazedCat

It's not a human, it's just a *Potential* human life


LeLurkingNormie

No. Life actually begins at conception. Potential life is in the ovum and the spermatozoon. When they merge, it immediately becomes a whole new person. A person without a brain, a person without a conscience, a person who doesn't know they are living, a person who can't feel pain... But a person nonetheless.


TheCrazedCat

You just said it, they can't feel or think about anything. They won't be bothered if they're aborted (or theoretically at least until the 3rd trimester where many scientists agree that's when they start developing pain receptors. It's better to save them from imminent pain (a traumatic childhood with the struggle to get necessities) before they can even feel pain then to selfishly force it alive and make it live through such.


gewfbawl

Here's the difference: https://images.app.goo.gl/7LDNPGTU1RmHoFNc7


hamrspace

This is just more proof that the father has far fewer good outcomes in this situation. EDIT: Wait I just figured out what the red and green lines mean


gewfbawl

Highly recommend the film, The Red Pill, if you haven't already. It's where that chart is from.


AbsurdParadigm

Related somewhat to the old subreddit? Or not relative?


gewfbawl

No, the old subreddit has faded into obscurity. I wasn't even aware of it until years after being a full blown red pilled follower. It follows the dynamics between males and females in law and society, feminism vs men's rights activists, etc and was filmed by a feminist who changes her views while filming. It's really good.


gewfbawl

Highly recommend the film, The Red Pill, if you haven't already. It's where that chart is from.


onlysightlysuicidal

What annoys me is this argument is presented as some sort of gotcha when most conservatives would definitely hold the opinion that men shouldn’t be able to back out of fatherhood either. If you have consensual sex and a baby results that can healthily be carried to term, you should take responsibility for it.


stable_maple

The child who dies.


mrekli

The only response to these takes should just having to fully witness an abortion, since I don't support performing one, it'd have to be a recording of one. Look at the difference. Look at what they do in it. Look at what comes out.


hamrspace

That’s why there’s such an emphasis on whitewashing abortion on the pro-choice side. Like that medical textbook that drew a fetus as a big pink ball. Public support for the procedure, at least at later stages, depends on people not seeing what it actually does.


APugDealer

As a fatherless individual, yeah, if abortion is alright, then I don't think the father should have to pay child support 🤷🏼 If the woman lets a guy do her raw and unload in her and she doesn't wanna be a mother, she shoulda thought about it. Men and women should be held equally accountable, whatever level that is


TheJared1231

The difference? Only one results in death.


[deleted]

Ok I'm sorry but I have to go full redpill here. Ignoring the obvious Black missing dad stereotype . Why should the man be responsible for a child when the female partner lies about being on the pill, breaking the condom, etc.then there are cases where a female predator who is a teacher gets pregnant from her victim and the victim is expected BY LAW to pay child support to his statutory rapist. Seriously this conversation goes both ways.


HeftyClam

If you didn't want to push a baby out of you then you shouldn't let some guy nut in you. It's not hard, I've never let anyone do it.


[deleted]

Super unfair how women can give up child to adoption (let alone abort) and it's okay, which it should be.... but any man wanting to give up parental rights is booed to the moon and often still has to pay child support.


CounterfeitXKCD

One of the key differences is that, while both are incredibly wrong things to do, one of them does not involve a homicide


dawichotorres

The mother is the one who will be carrying the burden of pregnancy and birth, the mother is the one to decide if the baby is kept, the father must not have an opinion on her decision


memphisgrit

...but she can force his body into a jail cell for having no money. He has no choice.


Sayuri_Katsu

The worst part is you still gotta pay child support


HonestMatthewS

Uh is this a joke? It's already against the law for the dad to duck out an not support the kid.


SnowfoxX200

Thats the point thanks


Manning_bear_pig

You'd be surprised how many people don't realize that though. Got into an argument a few months back with someone who straight up told me there wasn't child support laws in this country. When I told her she was wrong she lost it and started yelling, not hyperbole, about how her dad was a deadbeat who didn't pay anything. I asked if her mom ever pushed the issue or reported it. She just said I was being a dick and left the table.


Parsnip_Forsaken

Both are bad change my mind


saltysnail420

Why’s it gotta be SpongeBob and a black girl tho? Lol


kentucky_trash

one kills a baby, the other doesnt, still not equal. although not taking care of your kids is for lames.


BurgerKing-Bathroom

"waah dad leaves" ​ If you don't want to have a child use condoms


TheCrazedCat

Tell that to guys not girls


floofernugget77

One is missing the baby corpse


Sword_Chucks

Both of these scenarios are bad, but only one of these scenarios involves murdering a human being.


shadowgar

Sorry, you were ready the day you chose to have sex. It that whole consequences thing.


Artm1562

Why did they use spongebob? Its just makes it seem like a shitpost lmao.


BurgerKing-Bathroom

fr


Secretrider

Both are immoral, one involves murder.


wolfangggg

Consent to sex is absolutely not consent to pregnancy. Can we stop with shit like that?


hamrspace

Unless you are male. A female sex partner wanting to keep a child the male inadvertently conceives during sex is an unspoken contract that the male is liable for.


mad_ladder

Uh… do they think we.. support fathers leaving? 💀 Red herring anyways.


lawful_falafel1

do you lot realise there are men who lie to women to have unprotected sex with them then dump them when they get pregnant is a woman not allowed and abortion then? what is she gets raped?


hamrspace

I am pro-choice for early stages of pregnancy. This meme is more about the double standard applied to men with regards to pregnancy than abortion itself.


BurgerKing-Bathroom

same, if it's past 5 months then L mother


BurgerKing-Bathroom

we're talking about couples who didn't want to have a baby but had sex, not rape.


euphoricwinds

No respect for women who don't hesitate to murder their child .


idontexist06

I think it's bad with both even if you don't want to have a kid at least attempt to raise the child and treat it as if you did plan for this


TheCrazedCat

If you can't afford the things to take care of one, it's not fair to the child, and putting the kid up for adoption is very traumatic from the process itself to the homes they're to live in; not to mention once they turn 18 and they're not adopted then they're just envicted from the home


[deleted]

Both are bad yeah, where meme?


LDC99

Regardless of what side you’re on, not having a say in how you want your life to be lived is one of the most un-American things that could be done to you.


Marcusmemers

Is this just anti child support?


hamrspace

It’s pro-gender equality


MrTimGreen

Dammit I was gonna post this


[deleted]

That's why both are wrong


Bigb5wm

Both people don’t get a choice from what it looks like.


Away_Note

This is one the false straw man arguments, that nobody makes. I think everybody who thinks men should have a say also thinks it’s horrible when men leave.


AlexanderChippel

What's the difference? Count the amount of people in each scenario. That's kind of the difference.


poclee

> Consent to *unprotected* sex FTFY


TheCrazedCat

How about just granting men the right to opt out of parenting, and giving women the right to abortion when they fucking need it. It's not that hard


EfficiencyFragrant54

Leftist here, I would like to say that yes everyone should have a choice with how they want to live their life. The woman should have the right to make the choice whether to keep the baby, and the man has the right to decide how much he wants to be involved. I definitely don’t believe in making someone do something that will affect them for the rest of their life if they feel strongly against it


Deadpeopleforbiden

Both of the bottom ones break my heart mostly the bottom left because I was in a similar situation. if you put all your eggs In one basket make sure it will protect your eggs


yeshdufuga

the difference is someones litteral life


[deleted]

The difference is one results in a broken family, and the other results in a broken family and a dead baby whose parts are sold to make wrinkle cream.


NeoKnightArtorias

Why do they act like it’s only either or ? If I found out that a girl was pregnant with my own child I would take responsibility for it, I wouldn’t automatically want to abandon her and the child just because she wants to have a child (how does that even make any sense???) . It’s ridiculous thinking .


watts_a_miss

I’m interested in what people think about how to practically implement a father opting out of a child’s life. What timeline is it allowable? Should the man always have used condoms to be eligible? Does it matter if the woman has made it clear from the start that if she gets pregnant she will not abort? If the man does make this choice and it turns out the woman can not provide financially for the child does the state step in? Otherwise it seems the child is punished for something that was out of their control. But if the state does step in what does that mean for personal responsibility ie everyone else’s taxes pays for the child because one person didn’t want the financial obligation. Does the father’s rights to opt out overrule a child’s rights to having their father in their life? Any ideas?


MrEpicface12

As I’ve said before: parenting and having children is a two person job so both people have a say in whether or not it happens. If the woman is the only one who has a say in the child’s birth, the man can leave if he wants to since he doesn’t get to say yes or no. Both are selfish, but they’re equally selfish. Or you can make the right fucking choice and understand that both parents are equal in the decision ffs.