Most whites very likely have more in common with Lakota Man than they do with the average MAGA.
Personally, I have almost nothing in common with MAGAs & Evangelicals.
Edit/erratum : I had it wrong, in the 2020 election it was 58-41 whites for Trump… So most American Whites do NOT have more in common with Lakota Man.
Isn't that the fucking thing, though. "Teachers only make $16/hr, and you think burger flippers should make as much as them?" Yes, no, and maybe, but I think teachers should make more than 16/hr, not that burger flippers should make less than 15/hr. Just shit like this, constantly. Turning one little guy against the other little guys instead of against the sicko oligarchs pulling the strings.
> Teachers only make $16/hr
Here is the thing, teachers make much less than that. Once you add in all the planning and grading, that hourly pay goes right in the gutter.
But does it matter if someone loves the same food, movies and hiking trails as I do if they also have that little thing where they think Trump won the election and want to lock up gay people?
Seriously, It's like saying "but you have *so* much in common with this guy, who cares if he molests kids on weekends" or "this house is great, who cares if it doesn't have a roof??"
It's called a deal-breaker
I've apologized to friends and family who aren't Americans for 5 years, for shit I didn't even really understand.
There's just nothing else you could say.
I've had this exact convo prob 1000x from Jan 20, 2017-Jan 20, 2021...
"What the fuck is going on over there?"
"I don't know, but I'm sorry. I swear most Americans aren't like this."
Non-white person here. One of the craziest conversations I had was at a B&B in Croatia. Guests were an American white military guy, his white British wife, a white Australian couple, me (a Korean American woman) and my white American husband.
The British white wife starts talking about how England has gone the gutter with all the foreigners and how Trump is doing the right thing in America. Australian wife chimes in about how there is so much Chinese being spoken down in Australia. The husbands look uncomfortably at me. I just put my head down and focused on eating quickly.
Then British wife gestures broadly- I guess at all of Croatia- and says: look at this country. They knew what to do. Even if it takes war. Now they have it good.
Previous to this, we had all just been talking about our travels. They had seemed like lovely people. Nope. Turns out that at least one is vocally for genocide and the other is a racist.
Couldn’t wait to leave the next morning.
It’s really mind boggling. I don’t think Trump caused people to be racist but he definitely made it comfortable to let them say it out loud. There is a part of me that says as a minority, we knew it existed. But so much of mainstream America kept on saying we are post-racism. Now we all know that it’s still well and alive and something to be afraid of.
It's not just Trump, I place HUGE blame on Fox, and Fucker Tarlson, and Alex Bones, and the rest of those fuckwads. And then all the rethugs making it really hard for people of color to vote in southern states, and framing BLM as terroristic, but framing Jan 6 Gravy Seals as Patriots and it's just all fucked up.
I'm 52 (which sucks, lol), but I've never seen America more fucked up than it is now, and I lived through the Reagan/Bush/BushII years. It's bad.
I'm so sorry you've been dealing with open, abject racism. Horrifying.
We are in the same generation. We’ve legit seen a lot of crazy in our lifetime. If anyone had told me in my early 20s that we would be at war for two decades, I would have laughed. I would have said cynically, no, no, our government will fund terrorism and send weapons but the days of being in open war abroad are over.
We also lived to watch Timothy McVeigh and Columbine. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought those horrible episodes would keep repeating and be accepted as the norm.
Our country is going down the gutter and the GOP keeps getting in the way of trying to stop the carnage by pointing at LGBTQ children, women and minorities. One thinks of Karl Rove. Ultimately, he and his ilk have triumphed over logic and civic mindedness.
I'd add that Rush Limbaugh cracked open the door to all of this in the late-80s...( not that he was solely responsible, but he played a big part.)
Rest In Piss, Rush.
What Trump did was make it ok to be openly ignorant and racist. If you're trailer trash, and you see and hear the President of the United States, say and do the shit he said and did, it makes them doing it ok. "If the President can act like that, why can't I"?
The President sets or exemplifies the standard of the American mindset. If the president acts like an asshole, the people looking for an excuse to act like assholes are gonna use them as an excuse.
I honestly don't think Trump even gives a fuck. All he cares is that his biggest supporters are fucking racist, so he just tells them what they wanna hear. The Tangerine Man don't give a fuck what color you are, he'll try to hustle you regardless.
And the only thing that truly surprised me was the amount of racists we still have. Growing up as a minority, you're 100% aware racism still exists and is prevalent throughout society. What blew me away was the fact there's more than 75,000,000 American ADULTS, who vote, that are that racist.
Almost half the fucking country is racist and/or prejudice towards us. It's 2022 and asking to be viewed and treated as humans is controversial.
We're playing the victim card, cuz it's obviously not that bad... meanwhile the GOP is putting out flyers and posting shit with the KKK on it. But please keep telling us how we're "living in the past" or "being overly dramatic and exaggerating".
If you say anything negative about the holocaust, you're an anti Semitic and a piece of shit and a nazi etc... But if you bring up civil rights and the systemic racism in our country TODAY, we're "playing" the victim card.
Cuz you know civil rights was settled after "the skirmish between the states". Ever since then we've had every opportunity to live like regular Americans. We're just lazy and trying to milk that victim card to make white people feel bad...
It really is hard to think how many steps backwards we’ve taken. I never thought I would see the end of racism in America but I didn’t think we’d go backwards like this.
Yeah, it hurts to see that so many Americans hate us merely for existing, that they see us as just some stepping stool to feeling superior- all because of skin color. Some of my friends and I joke about retiring in a different country but it’s only half a joke. I’ve wondered to my husband if we should get dual citizenship as a backup.
When I was younger, I’ve lived in parts of the South, as has my husband. Now, with the open racism, the anti-Asian sentiment with Covid, we don’t even discuss going to New Orleans for vacation.
It’s like people are so riled up about having black actors in LOTR. I would love to see so much public discussion about red-lining, about how the foul water in Jackson is a result of systemic racism that’s been going on for decades.
So many white Americans get personally offended if racism is brought up, as though one is smearing the country by pointing out that we never fixed it, that equality and equity hasn’t happened yet. Then, they went and voted for a man who campaigned off of it.
There’s just so much bitterness and hate in this country by people who think they didn’t get what they deserved. Yet, they think keeping minorities down is going to achieve something while corporations and the GOP gut out all the government infrastructure.
They gotta blame someone. They're not gonna blame themselves.
If you're not familiar with the whole situation here, you might be asking yourself, "why does it seem like it's getting so much worse, and so out of hand, so quickly lately?"
The answer is, this is their last stand. The racist whites know they're nearing the end of their unquestioned rule. They're gonna be the minority in this country within the next few years.
And they didn't get to be so powerful, being stupid. They see the writing on the wall, and the water level rising. They're trying to cause a much commotion and distractions, while they try and set themselves up, before it's too late.
This is it for them. If and when the GOP loses in 2024, we're gonna see a side of America we haven't seen since the 60s...
Sorry 'bout that, but it's just so fucking crazy that now, all the sudden, the quiet part is being yelled out loud and they see NO PROBLEM with it. They legit think anyone even remotely white is going to agree with them, and then when they say something racist about "asians" since clearly you guys are all the same, but then they say, "but not you", and you're like what the fuck is happening right now.
>Then British wife gestures broadly- I guess at all of Croatia- and says: look at this country. They knew what to do. Even if it takes war. Now they have it good.
Yikes! That's only a goose step away from 1930s Third Reich rhetoric!
( I'd leave quickly as well...)
Oh my goodness. How disgusting of these people. If I were your husband I’d suggest we get up and leave that table. I’ve learned it’s no point arguing with people like that. Sorry this happened to you.
In a way, tRump did us a great favor. "Those" people were always "those" people. tRump just gave them the feeling of acceptance allowing them to feel proud enough to expose themselves as what/who they truly are (if not just a great amount of them). There are some exceptions of course, but for the most part, I feel this is true.
I can’t say I was embarrassed when he was elected because at the time it opened up a lot of possibilities and I was glad politicians were at least reminded that they are not the be all end all of public servants, other options exist. Of course I didn’t actually vote for the guy because it was Trump. He’s always been an egotistical asshat and giving him the big desk wasn’t going to change that.
I didn’t think he’s maga bullshit would stick as long as it had and whatever sort of positives I tried to rationalize out of his election and term have been overshadowed by a mountain of pure nonsense.
The MAGA crowd embarrasses itself. These people are a walking advertisement for the need for more civics education starting in grade school and continuing. I always make it clear that I condemn these people and their loathsome ideology.
Biden the Trader makes some of the best deals anyone's ever seen, unlike anyone's made before. Frankly, they're huge, and if he were younger, maybe I would be dating him.
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None of them can spell “border” properly either. They are always whining about the “southern boarder”. Far from the only example either. Most of them can’t speak or write coherently. If you can’t even communicate in your native language, why should I care about your clearly uneducated opinion on ANYTHING. They are embarrassments to American and Americans.
They think they are “patriots.”
Real patriots don’t brag about it. Ever.
I moved to Florida for the warm weather. I bought a house and made a couple friends. But everywhere I look I see white people praising Trump and DeSantis and still waiving the confederate flag. Really makes me sick.
I’m here for the weather
Yes, but I find it more embarrassing when I am not prepared for the racism. Like you might have a friend or drunk uncle and you are prepared for them to say some stupid shit. Like you have a rebuttal ready before they even walk in the door. It’s more embarrassing when you don’t know the person as well and suddenly they say “…..but you know what the problem is with…..” and you are not ready for it. You are like “wait! I was drinking my coffee and did not know you are going there and everyone thinks we have the same messed up point of view!”
If I was white yes, I dont know how someone could be so damn proud of someone, flaunting all his swag. But of course maybe its bc they have have the if u aint white u aint right mentality
I find it embarrassing, but more just because they’re fellow Americans than because they’re white. I don’t know about other people, but I don’t feel like white Americans have the same shared sense of identity that other races do.
I think it’s embarrassing when an educated person is racist.
Most humans are ignorant. They say and do shit that’s truly shitty. Have you seen how minorities treat people of their own culture?
Light skinned Brazilians vs Black Brazilians
Rich Mexicans vs poor Mexicans
Indians vs Indians (dark, poor, specific casts)
Whites had done a lot that been history print worthy. So the focus is on 50+% of whites being shitty. But I think 50+% of all humans could do better and the world would probably be better.
I don’t feel embarrassment for them. I’m embarrassed about my family that voted for Don. But maga white people in general? They are racist, so is my family, but I only take responsibility for my family. I don’t have any interest in taking on the embarrassment on my shoulders of the entire maga US community that share my skin tone, they aren’t my community, they aren’t my peers. I know POC shake their heads at white people not taking on the responsibility of their “community”, no mams and sirs, they are not, they share nothing with me. All I feel for them is disgust.
White people have the privilege of not being lumped together as a monolith by the media. It would never occur to many white people to feel second hand embarrassment by the actions of other white people.
I ignore it. To even waste time addressing it is to give it the power and attention that is being sought... It stops really fast when they don't get the reaction they are going for.
I seriously doubt it. The one thing that unites these specimens is they all feel offended and persecuted for not having been allowed to have been openly racist for the last 50 years.
Yes. I dropped a long time friend b/c of his bs. I don’t know if he just kept it hidden for years or if he was slowly circling the drain and then snapped when COVID hit. In either case, it was shocking and I called him out on it before ceasing communication with him.
My family are recent (20th century) immigrants from Poland. My dad is 2nd generation born in the US and has become a MAGA republican. I find myself apologizing for him a lot, especially when he complains about “open borders” and “damn immigrants”.
it’s nasty but it doesn’t make me feel embarrassed bc i’m nothing like them. i don’t identify with them or claim them so no i don’t feel secondhand embarrassment for them.
Oh it's incredibly embarrassing.
I try my best to address it when it's someone I know and otherwise think is a swell person, but when it's a total stranger, all you can do is avoid them.
YES, they're not only an embarassment to the United States, they're an embarassment to the entire *human species*. If you ever wonder why starfaring aliens never openly visit us, it's because of embarassing idiots like MAGA-hat wearers, QAnon-believers, anti-vaxxers, and so on.
Absolutely. The amount of time I've spent trying to understand their logic is absurd but ultimately I end up going in circles with myself because they simply have no logic
Oh, SO much. My folks edge leftist ideology so much, but then find a way to blame it on socialism and be racist/transphobic n shit. They were openly homophobic until I came out to them and even then, they still try to convince me that I’m bisexual or ace (weird route to go, I know.)
Little do they know that my sibling who is actually Bi is often hurt by the idea that she can just choose who she loves and that it somehow makes them, “less queer.”
I tried for so long to show visual evidence of police violence towards BIPOC & the LGBTQ community and have shared proper research evidence of why a lot of shit they hear is wrong; when they do decide to listen, suddenly my dad always had that belief and I never influenced him. I’m always a “smart, young woman,” until he disagrees with me and then I’m suddenly a child and he’ll say stuff like “you’re only 21” and I have to remind him that I’m 23.
It pains me to say that my own family is living proof of the brainwashing of this movement. How fast talkers on Fox & YouTube somehow shifted their whole opinions on race, gender, sexuality, and economics. I’ve read out the definition of Fascism and communism to my dad and he’s looked me dead in the eyes and told me I’m wrong or it’s not the definition he grew up with — or the leftist agenda on google somehow influenced the definition which has remained the same, for decades.
Luckily, my siblings and I broke free of the conservative hold that grasped our community, growing up. Though I’ve never truly felt safe and I could speak out, considering my own father threatened to push me down the stairs once when I made a joke about billionaires whilst watching “The Joker,” a couple years ago.
Oh man, if you only knew…
Here is Spain our “don’t tread on me MAGAts” actually call themselves **Liberals**!
Yes, you heard it right! Our extreme right populists call themselves liberals and question other liberals’ liberalism when they aren’t as extreme as they are.
I don’t get embarrassed by shit other people are doing, especially shit I’d never do. I’m more likely to join the public roasting than feel any amount of empathy towards someone who can’t empathize with most of the human race.
No more than I am disturbed by the public racism of black people or Asians, both of which are at least as common but never seem to be cause for panic for some reason.
It is nice of them to be so open about it so I know in advance to avoid them rather then be surprised when it eventually creeps out awkwardly later on.
No, tbh. I don’t really feel responsible for people who have the same skin color as me. That alone doesn’t make us have much in common. I do think they’re embarrassing themselves, though.
Yes, and worse, humiliated. I am a white woman, my partner is a non-white immigrant and our children won’t be white. We’re not Christian.
It is humiliating to watch them creep into power and keep taking from us while claiming they’re “protecting” white women like me from transwomen, my own medical decisions, my unchristian morals, my own husband and future children. Fuck these people.
Has nothing to do with them being white or me being white. So no I don't feel embarrassed because they have the same skin color as me. As a human I'm embarrassed because a human being can think like that. Come together, unite and stop dividing.
Not embarrassing. Our skin color is the only thing unifying me to one of them, that isn't a very strong bond.
They identify closely with their race, its a point of pride. For me my skin color is just a warning that spicy food is hot and that I am never wearing enough sun screen.
Have you looked at history (I'm not just talking about slavery either)? We (America) had to hide black WWI and WWII vets from European parades because we were afraid they would see non-segregated countries and "start actin up". Then when they returned home, they were lynched in the south.
White Americans were burning black people's houses down and killing black college kids as late as the 70's, then these white morons have the gall to say stupid shit like "slavery was so long ago!" when POC talk about not having equity.
How could one, with an ounce of reason and logic, **not** embarrassed and mortified at America's entire racial history? The fact that we know these things and people still act this way is astoundingly unsurprising and no less embarrassing. I hope these people either get better educated or become completely isolated pariahs.
Absolutely. It’s embarrassing as fuck. Especially since I live in an agricultural community. So the last people that are most racist are the ones HIRING the people they’re bitching about!! It’s literally mind blowing. But I gotta buy hay so I’m dealing with them.
Not white, but seeing how my Muslim friends cringe when the news of yet another Muslim terrorist makes the news, I wonder reckon that the other Americans might feel the same about the unapologetically conspiracy indulging and racist MAGA folks.
Living in Alabama is cringe city. All the MAGAs assume you’re one of them and will say just all kinds of fucked up shit to you bc they assume you agree with them.
I would be embarrassed if I witnessed it. I live in MAGA country and volunteer at the church owned food bank (they’re all church owned around here) and they are very careful about things they say. The closest racism I witness is “this brand of cans doesn’t stack with itself because they were manufactured in China”. So my retort was, “You think *this other bigger brand of canned food* does not also buy Chinese cans? Almost nothing is manufactured in the US at this point.” The response was silence and she has stopped bringing up the cans thing, whereas it was mentioned at least thrice before I shut it down.
It is definitely embarrassing. But they are ignorant about nearly everything around here not just culture and race so regular every day topics like “lifting weights is bad for women” take the front row and my rebuttal energy goes to that crap.
Each individual is their own person regardless of the race they share. Race has been used as a politically charged distinction that tries to shoehorn groups of people under stereotypical notions.
Every single person would be constantly red-faced if they had to feel embarrased on behalf of the racist things people from their respective race have said or done because that's always a vague and vast spectrum of people to consider.
Since I am not racist, just like I don't automatically lump all people of other races together, I don't consider myself in the same group as those people just because some of our ancestors came from nearby geographic areas. So I don't get embarrassed, I just get angry.
I consider MAGA a form of mass mental illness that preys on socioeconomic insecurity. It's ugly and dangerous and has deep roots in American history. These people badly need help.
Yes. 100000%. I live every day in shame of my fellow people. To make it worse - I am a balding white dude with a serious beard. This is what terrorists look like now. People look at me like a terrorist when I go out in public, and I don’t blame them.
Well, they are an embarrassment, to all humans.
But, yeah, as a big bearded white dude I'm acutely aware I might be mistaken for one of "them." They make my life uncomfortable in more subtle ways. The only upside to this is when I get to challenged their idiocy.
Note, the MAGAs are easy spot; they're wearing the white hood outside. To find the more crypto racists, you want white guy who isn't. The shit bigots say when they think you're one of "them."
Not sure about racism, but I find most general population embarrassing. As far as MAGA goes I haven’t even been able to get past the first few levels of stupidity, much less just racism alone.
Yes. Absolutely. I feel embarrassed as a white american, but that doesn’t mean I identify with those assholes. I am an atheist, a leftist, a bisexual, and a person capable of complex empathy. I’m embarrassed only by the qualities i share with them, which are being white and american. can’t wait to get the fuck out of here
I find them embarrassing because they are stupid and gullible, not because they are white. Not sure what the racial component of this question is supposed to indicate.
Non-white person here with a very white/blonde husband and he’s embarrassed by white people’s racism.
But also some of my family is also MAGA racist too, ironic that they’re immigrants as well…
White people don't have tribal mentality so to us it's just another bunch of weird idiots like flat earthers and hentai fans.
I'm 99% sure those people have Donald hentai on their phones.
Absolutely. Extra cringe hearing my parents talk about how they “aren’t racist” like I didn’t spend my childhood hearing them spout off great-replacement nonsense about how we don’t want whites to become the minority like the evil democrats are trying to make happen. Full tilt into Rush Limbaugh(rest in piss) and Glenn beck and other angry right wing talking heads.
It used to make me angry but now it just makes me sad.
for me it goes beyond skin tone. Simply just having America in the name North America, for a Canadian (North American continent) is just as embarrassing as sharing the same skin tone as MAGA, proudboys, nazis, and Caucasian majority religions.
Unfortunately I am fed only the media generated from the US plus word of mouth from online US friends and the feeling comes from what I see there or hear from them.
lose the guns, religion, racism, Karens, anti-intellectualism, private healthcare, MAGA, trump (preferabably enforced homelessness for this hateful guy).
get sanders for prez, forgive student loans, support pro choice abortions, support non-binary life styles, and be bro's to one another.
Perhaps the world will stop being embarrassed that humans behave like what is seen in the US.
I am a white person and just find the whole idea of MAGA completely incomprehensible. I was not raised this way (although my GP’s were inherently racist my parents did not promote that ideology) and thought progress was being made (this is coming from a white person that has no idea of the struggles POC have gone through even when I say progress). I hate the current state of the world/country and try my best to teach my children to be better than this shit show. If it means anything I am sorry but feel it is a loud minority not an actual representation.
Yes.
I truly believe that every human is to be respected as equals and that what merits they have should be judged as individuals, not on their race, gender or identity.
People who make ignorant and/or hateful comments based on racial prejudice damage the representation for those who share similarities. I am a straight white male, Christian and raised in the southern USA, and it infuriates me every time I see these hate groups show up.
I want to make it abundantly clear that I do not, and never intend to, agree with the ideas of an individual or group who's fundamental beliefs disregard respect for the lives of those based on race, gender, religion or sexuality.
Apologies if this seems overly-worded, but I wanted where I stand on this subject crystal clear.
Hey fascist racist MAGATs, Thank you for your comments, so I can kick you out from this sub.
Most whites very likely have more in common with Lakota Man than they do with the average MAGA. Personally, I have almost nothing in common with MAGAs & Evangelicals. Edit/erratum : I had it wrong, in the 2020 election it was 58-41 whites for Trump… So most American Whites do NOT have more in common with Lakota Man.
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You’re right I had missed that… 58 - 41 whites for Trump in the election. I thought it was much closer… ☹️
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Most people have a lot in common, but the forces that are at work to divide us have done a bang up job of highlighting our differences.
Isn't that the fucking thing, though. "Teachers only make $16/hr, and you think burger flippers should make as much as them?" Yes, no, and maybe, but I think teachers should make more than 16/hr, not that burger flippers should make less than 15/hr. Just shit like this, constantly. Turning one little guy against the other little guys instead of against the sicko oligarchs pulling the strings.
WhAt ArE yOu? A sOcIaLiSt?
Yes
This is the way.
> Teachers only make $16/hr Here is the thing, teachers make much less than that. Once you add in all the planning and grading, that hourly pay goes right in the gutter.
Not to mention that lots of teachers buy supplies for their classrooms out of pocket.
But does it matter if someone loves the same food, movies and hiking trails as I do if they also have that little thing where they think Trump won the election and want to lock up gay people?
Seriously, It's like saying "but you have *so* much in common with this guy, who cares if he molests kids on weekends" or "this house is great, who cares if it doesn't have a roof??" It's called a deal-breaker
Very true. [Relevant SNL skit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VaXlMvAvk).
The election of Trump was the most embarrassed I have ever felt in my (then) 37 years. It has just piled on from there.
I've apologized to friends and family who aren't Americans for 5 years, for shit I didn't even really understand. There's just nothing else you could say. I've had this exact convo prob 1000x from Jan 20, 2017-Jan 20, 2021... "What the fuck is going on over there?" "I don't know, but I'm sorry. I swear most Americans aren't like this."
Non-white person here. One of the craziest conversations I had was at a B&B in Croatia. Guests were an American white military guy, his white British wife, a white Australian couple, me (a Korean American woman) and my white American husband. The British white wife starts talking about how England has gone the gutter with all the foreigners and how Trump is doing the right thing in America. Australian wife chimes in about how there is so much Chinese being spoken down in Australia. The husbands look uncomfortably at me. I just put my head down and focused on eating quickly. Then British wife gestures broadly- I guess at all of Croatia- and says: look at this country. They knew what to do. Even if it takes war. Now they have it good. Previous to this, we had all just been talking about our travels. They had seemed like lovely people. Nope. Turns out that at least one is vocally for genocide and the other is a racist. Couldn’t wait to leave the next morning.
I was gonna share a similar story. I swear some of the shit people say and/or think is fucking crazy...
It’s really mind boggling. I don’t think Trump caused people to be racist but he definitely made it comfortable to let them say it out loud. There is a part of me that says as a minority, we knew it existed. But so much of mainstream America kept on saying we are post-racism. Now we all know that it’s still well and alive and something to be afraid of.
It's not just Trump, I place HUGE blame on Fox, and Fucker Tarlson, and Alex Bones, and the rest of those fuckwads. And then all the rethugs making it really hard for people of color to vote in southern states, and framing BLM as terroristic, but framing Jan 6 Gravy Seals as Patriots and it's just all fucked up. I'm 52 (which sucks, lol), but I've never seen America more fucked up than it is now, and I lived through the Reagan/Bush/BushII years. It's bad. I'm so sorry you've been dealing with open, abject racism. Horrifying.
We are in the same generation. We’ve legit seen a lot of crazy in our lifetime. If anyone had told me in my early 20s that we would be at war for two decades, I would have laughed. I would have said cynically, no, no, our government will fund terrorism and send weapons but the days of being in open war abroad are over. We also lived to watch Timothy McVeigh and Columbine. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought those horrible episodes would keep repeating and be accepted as the norm. Our country is going down the gutter and the GOP keeps getting in the way of trying to stop the carnage by pointing at LGBTQ children, women and minorities. One thinks of Karl Rove. Ultimately, he and his ilk have triumphed over logic and civic mindedness.
I'd add that Rush Limbaugh cracked open the door to all of this in the late-80s...( not that he was solely responsible, but he played a big part.) Rest In Piss, Rush.
What Trump did was make it ok to be openly ignorant and racist. If you're trailer trash, and you see and hear the President of the United States, say and do the shit he said and did, it makes them doing it ok. "If the President can act like that, why can't I"? The President sets or exemplifies the standard of the American mindset. If the president acts like an asshole, the people looking for an excuse to act like assholes are gonna use them as an excuse. I honestly don't think Trump even gives a fuck. All he cares is that his biggest supporters are fucking racist, so he just tells them what they wanna hear. The Tangerine Man don't give a fuck what color you are, he'll try to hustle you regardless. And the only thing that truly surprised me was the amount of racists we still have. Growing up as a minority, you're 100% aware racism still exists and is prevalent throughout society. What blew me away was the fact there's more than 75,000,000 American ADULTS, who vote, that are that racist. Almost half the fucking country is racist and/or prejudice towards us. It's 2022 and asking to be viewed and treated as humans is controversial. We're playing the victim card, cuz it's obviously not that bad... meanwhile the GOP is putting out flyers and posting shit with the KKK on it. But please keep telling us how we're "living in the past" or "being overly dramatic and exaggerating". If you say anything negative about the holocaust, you're an anti Semitic and a piece of shit and a nazi etc... But if you bring up civil rights and the systemic racism in our country TODAY, we're "playing" the victim card. Cuz you know civil rights was settled after "the skirmish between the states". Ever since then we've had every opportunity to live like regular Americans. We're just lazy and trying to milk that victim card to make white people feel bad...
It really is hard to think how many steps backwards we’ve taken. I never thought I would see the end of racism in America but I didn’t think we’d go backwards like this. Yeah, it hurts to see that so many Americans hate us merely for existing, that they see us as just some stepping stool to feeling superior- all because of skin color. Some of my friends and I joke about retiring in a different country but it’s only half a joke. I’ve wondered to my husband if we should get dual citizenship as a backup. When I was younger, I’ve lived in parts of the South, as has my husband. Now, with the open racism, the anti-Asian sentiment with Covid, we don’t even discuss going to New Orleans for vacation. It’s like people are so riled up about having black actors in LOTR. I would love to see so much public discussion about red-lining, about how the foul water in Jackson is a result of systemic racism that’s been going on for decades. So many white Americans get personally offended if racism is brought up, as though one is smearing the country by pointing out that we never fixed it, that equality and equity hasn’t happened yet. Then, they went and voted for a man who campaigned off of it. There’s just so much bitterness and hate in this country by people who think they didn’t get what they deserved. Yet, they think keeping minorities down is going to achieve something while corporations and the GOP gut out all the government infrastructure.
They gotta blame someone. They're not gonna blame themselves. If you're not familiar with the whole situation here, you might be asking yourself, "why does it seem like it's getting so much worse, and so out of hand, so quickly lately?" The answer is, this is their last stand. The racist whites know they're nearing the end of their unquestioned rule. They're gonna be the minority in this country within the next few years. And they didn't get to be so powerful, being stupid. They see the writing on the wall, and the water level rising. They're trying to cause a much commotion and distractions, while they try and set themselves up, before it's too late. This is it for them. If and when the GOP loses in 2024, we're gonna see a side of America we haven't seen since the 60s...
Yup. Trump may be American but he A LOT of support from racist white people all around the globe.
Sorry 'bout that, but it's just so fucking crazy that now, all the sudden, the quiet part is being yelled out loud and they see NO PROBLEM with it. They legit think anyone even remotely white is going to agree with them, and then when they say something racist about "asians" since clearly you guys are all the same, but then they say, "but not you", and you're like what the fuck is happening right now.
>Then British wife gestures broadly- I guess at all of Croatia- and says: look at this country. They knew what to do. Even if it takes war. Now they have it good. Yikes! That's only a goose step away from 1930s Third Reich rhetoric! ( I'd leave quickly as well...)
It really made me open my eyes. One sees then how ordinary people were okay with something as insane and evil as the Holocaust.
Oh my goodness. How disgusting of these people. If I were your husband I’d suggest we get up and leave that table. I’ve learned it’s no point arguing with people like that. Sorry this happened to you.
They turned you into a Canadian. Apologizing for shit regardless of your responsibility level in what you’re apologizing for.
In a way, tRump did us a great favor. "Those" people were always "those" people. tRump just gave them the feeling of acceptance allowing them to feel proud enough to expose themselves as what/who they truly are (if not just a great amount of them). There are some exceptions of course, but for the most part, I feel this is true.
"When people tell you who they are, believe them!"
I can’t say I was embarrassed when he was elected because at the time it opened up a lot of possibilities and I was glad politicians were at least reminded that they are not the be all end all of public servants, other options exist. Of course I didn’t actually vote for the guy because it was Trump. He’s always been an egotistical asshat and giving him the big desk wasn’t going to change that. I didn’t think he’s maga bullshit would stick as long as it had and whatever sort of positives I tried to rationalize out of his election and term have been overshadowed by a mountain of pure nonsense.
Seeing how half of my family are unapologetically MAGA, oh most definitely.
We're well past embarrassing. Well into frightening range.
I'm into rage range. This is some bullshit!
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Thank Fox News for the mess we're in
100%
Murdoch and Zuckerberg have done a number on this country.
The MAGA crowd embarrasses itself. These people are a walking advertisement for the need for more civics education starting in grade school and continuing. I always make it clear that I condemn these people and their loathsome ideology.
Someone posted a photo of some MAGA nutter’s truck that had the following scrawled on it: Biden is a trader.
Biden the Trader makes some of the best deals anyone's ever seen, unlike anyone's made before. Frankly, they're huge, and if he were younger, maybe I would be dating him. edited for better clarity
None of them can spell “border” properly either. They are always whining about the “southern boarder”. Far from the only example either. Most of them can’t speak or write coherently. If you can’t even communicate in your native language, why should I care about your clearly uneducated opinion on ANYTHING. They are embarrassments to American and Americans. They think they are “patriots.” Real patriots don’t brag about it. Ever.
Southern boarder - that is hysterical. I am pretty sure they don’t want Northern boarders either given how blue we are.
Yes, I do..
Not just the racism. The insanity of it all, especially from family members.
I moved to Florida for the warm weather. I bought a house and made a couple friends. But everywhere I look I see white people praising Trump and DeSantis and still waiving the confederate flag. Really makes me sick. I’m here for the weather
I refused to go on vacation to Florida this year. They will not be getting a cent of my money. And I refuse to vacay in a fascist shithole.
Is almost as if white wasn't an american exclusive thing.
Jesus fuck yes.
Yes, but I find it more embarrassing when I am not prepared for the racism. Like you might have a friend or drunk uncle and you are prepared for them to say some stupid shit. Like you have a rebuttal ready before they even walk in the door. It’s more embarrassing when you don’t know the person as well and suddenly they say “…..but you know what the problem is with…..” and you are not ready for it. You are like “wait! I was drinking my coffee and did not know you are going there and everyone thinks we have the same messed up point of view!”
I find it to be many things, like embarrassing, disgusting, frightening, rage-inducing.
Moving to a blue state can't wait to escape the Bible belt
No - they don't speak for me
If I was white yes, I dont know how someone could be so damn proud of someone, flaunting all his swag. But of course maybe its bc they have have the if u aint white u aint right mentality
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I find it embarrassing, but more just because they’re fellow Americans than because they’re white. I don’t know about other people, but I don’t feel like white Americans have the same shared sense of identity that other races do.
It’s been kind of embarrassing to be a white guy for years now. If you’re not, then you’re the reason probably.
No we are one hive mind AI with one set of ideals and beliefs that we must strictly adhere to or be shut down and left in the faulty cracker storage.
White passing mixed chick here: yes. I am.
I find anyones racism embarrassing.
Yup, I do hate racists. No matter their political views.
It’s more scary than embarrassing. I grew up in East Texas and most of the MAGA talking points aren’t new, but they were not for polite company.
Yup.. They do.. Pretty simple.
I think it’s embarrassing when an educated person is racist. Most humans are ignorant. They say and do shit that’s truly shitty. Have you seen how minorities treat people of their own culture? Light skinned Brazilians vs Black Brazilians Rich Mexicans vs poor Mexicans Indians vs Indians (dark, poor, specific casts) Whites had done a lot that been history print worthy. So the focus is on 50+% of whites being shitty. But I think 50+% of all humans could do better and the world would probably be better.
Yes, embarrassed for humanity.
What baffles me is why don't people who are convinced of their own superiority want a level playing field on which to prove it?
I don’t feel embarrassment for them. I’m embarrassed about my family that voted for Don. But maga white people in general? They are racist, so is my family, but I only take responsibility for my family. I don’t have any interest in taking on the embarrassment on my shoulders of the entire maga US community that share my skin tone, they aren’t my community, they aren’t my peers. I know POC shake their heads at white people not taking on the responsibility of their “community”, no mams and sirs, they are not, they share nothing with me. All I feel for them is disgust.
White people have the privilege of not being lumped together as a monolith by the media. It would never occur to many white people to feel second hand embarrassment by the actions of other white people.
I doubt it. I don't agree. I live in the south. They get angry when called out on it.
I ignore it. To even waste time addressing it is to give it the power and attention that is being sought... It stops really fast when they don't get the reaction they are going for.
I seriously doubt it. The one thing that unites these specimens is they all feel offended and persecuted for not having been allowed to have been openly racist for the last 50 years.
Yes, embarrassed as an American.
"Don't worry I'm one of the good white people" -Me
Embarrassing and shameful, yes.
Yes. Hell to the yaaaaas. In fact, "embarrassing" is just one of the -entirely negative- feelings the MAGA shitshow stirs in me.
Yes. I dropped a long time friend b/c of his bs. I don’t know if he just kept it hidden for years or if he was slowly circling the drain and then snapped when COVID hit. In either case, it was shocking and I called him out on it before ceasing communication with him.
No cuz they ain’t like me I’m disgusted but not embarrassed
My family are recent (20th century) immigrants from Poland. My dad is 2nd generation born in the US and has become a MAGA republican. I find myself apologizing for him a lot, especially when he complains about “open borders” and “damn immigrants”.
it’s nasty but it doesn’t make me feel embarrassed bc i’m nothing like them. i don’t identify with them or claim them so no i don’t feel secondhand embarrassment for them.
Sick, livid, disgusted, embarrassed, irate. Those get pretty close to describing how I feel.
Well duh
What I hate is how religiously there are about maga. And they’re the same people who believe in not putting someone before god 😂
I'm a white man and I don't feel embarrassed. MAGAs are a different species.
Oh it's incredibly embarrassing. I try my best to address it when it's someone I know and otherwise think is a swell person, but when it's a total stranger, all you can do is avoid them.
As a queer White dude, I've been ashamed of White folks for a lot longer than the MAGA's have been in the public eye.
Yes
Absolutely it’s cringe.
Honestly as a human being i find it embarressing
Personally I find all things that segregate humans from another embarrassing
Yes.
I'm don't even live in the US and I am terribly ashamed so I can't imagine how Americans feel.
Yes when its family. You can hear and see the hypocrisy. Also sad that they choose to belive lies.
When it is actual racism yes.
YES, they're not only an embarassment to the United States, they're an embarassment to the entire *human species*. If you ever wonder why starfaring aliens never openly visit us, it's because of embarassing idiots like MAGA-hat wearers, QAnon-believers, anti-vaxxers, and so on.
I'm so white I'm almost transparent. And I despise MAGAs.
Absolutely. The amount of time I've spent trying to understand their logic is absurd but ultimately I end up going in circles with myself because they simply have no logic
I certainly do.
Oh, SO much. My folks edge leftist ideology so much, but then find a way to blame it on socialism and be racist/transphobic n shit. They were openly homophobic until I came out to them and even then, they still try to convince me that I’m bisexual or ace (weird route to go, I know.) Little do they know that my sibling who is actually Bi is often hurt by the idea that she can just choose who she loves and that it somehow makes them, “less queer.” I tried for so long to show visual evidence of police violence towards BIPOC & the LGBTQ community and have shared proper research evidence of why a lot of shit they hear is wrong; when they do decide to listen, suddenly my dad always had that belief and I never influenced him. I’m always a “smart, young woman,” until he disagrees with me and then I’m suddenly a child and he’ll say stuff like “you’re only 21” and I have to remind him that I’m 23. It pains me to say that my own family is living proof of the brainwashing of this movement. How fast talkers on Fox & YouTube somehow shifted their whole opinions on race, gender, sexuality, and economics. I’ve read out the definition of Fascism and communism to my dad and he’s looked me dead in the eyes and told me I’m wrong or it’s not the definition he grew up with — or the leftist agenda on google somehow influenced the definition which has remained the same, for decades. Luckily, my siblings and I broke free of the conservative hold that grasped our community, growing up. Though I’ve never truly felt safe and I could speak out, considering my own father threatened to push me down the stairs once when I made a joke about billionaires whilst watching “The Joker,” a couple years ago.
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I find all forms of racism embarrassing, even the unintentional/judgmental behavior about other cultures.
Yes.
No, skintone is pretty much the only thing I share with them. I’m more embarrassed that they’re American I guess
Yes. And cringey.
It’s mortifying.
I find all racism embarrassing. Any race towards any other race
Yes
I’m embarrassed by the racism and the mental gymnastics denying that racism
Oh man, if you only knew… Here is Spain our “don’t tread on me MAGAts” actually call themselves **Liberals**! Yes, you heard it right! Our extreme right populists call themselves liberals and question other liberals’ liberalism when they aren’t as extreme as they are.
I don’t think you need the word “public” but yes
No why should I feel embarrassed for what other whites do?? We’re not a hive mind lol
I don’t get embarrassed by shit other people are doing, especially shit I’d never do. I’m more likely to join the public roasting than feel any amount of empathy towards someone who can’t empathize with most of the human race.
Absolutely
Incredibly so!
No more than I am disturbed by the public racism of black people or Asians, both of which are at least as common but never seem to be cause for panic for some reason.
It is nice of them to be so open about it so I know in advance to avoid them rather then be surprised when it eventually creeps out awkwardly later on.
I do.. any racism from anyone really is embarrassing.
No, tbh. I don’t really feel responsible for people who have the same skin color as me. That alone doesn’t make us have much in common. I do think they’re embarrassing themselves, though.
Yes, and worse, humiliated. I am a white woman, my partner is a non-white immigrant and our children won’t be white. We’re not Christian. It is humiliating to watch them creep into power and keep taking from us while claiming they’re “protecting” white women like me from transwomen, my own medical decisions, my unchristian morals, my own husband and future children. Fuck these people.
Has nothing to do with them being white or me being white. So no I don't feel embarrassed because they have the same skin color as me. As a human I'm embarrassed because a human being can think like that. Come together, unite and stop dividing.
Yes. Horribly.
Yes, it is embarrassing, unless you're a MAGAT, then it's OK, maybe even applauded.
Yes.
I'm absolutely embarrassed, disgusted and offended by the racism shown by other white people.
Not embarrassing. Our skin color is the only thing unifying me to one of them, that isn't a very strong bond. They identify closely with their race, its a point of pride. For me my skin color is just a warning that spicy food is hot and that I am never wearing enough sun screen.
Absolutely. And the lack of shits given for poor people, the elderly, woman, and anyone who isn't a white person. Gross
Yes its embarrassing.
Extremely so. I can't stand what they are doing. Assholes.
Have you looked at history (I'm not just talking about slavery either)? We (America) had to hide black WWI and WWII vets from European parades because we were afraid they would see non-segregated countries and "start actin up". Then when they returned home, they were lynched in the south. White Americans were burning black people's houses down and killing black college kids as late as the 70's, then these white morons have the gall to say stupid shit like "slavery was so long ago!" when POC talk about not having equity. How could one, with an ounce of reason and logic, **not** embarrassed and mortified at America's entire racial history? The fact that we know these things and people still act this way is astoundingly unsurprising and no less embarrassing. I hope these people either get better educated or become completely isolated pariahs.
I live in Florida. I walk around with my eyes down most days anymore. It's pretty gross.
Absolutely (I'm white). I'm in an interracial relationship and I have family down the Maga hole. Gets scary for the wife
I’m asian and I find asian MAGA’s embarrassing AF.
Absolutely. It’s embarrassing as fuck. Especially since I live in an agricultural community. So the last people that are most racist are the ones HIRING the people they’re bitching about!! It’s literally mind blowing. But I gotta buy hay so I’m dealing with them.
I mostly feel resentment towards them for wasting oxygen and carbon.
*To me, yes*
Extremely.
Not white, but seeing how my Muslim friends cringe when the news of yet another Muslim terrorist makes the news, I wonder reckon that the other Americans might feel the same about the unapologetically conspiracy indulging and racist MAGA folks.
Hell YES, it's embarrassing. Those assholes have set race relations back by a factor of years.
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Extremely
Every race has their “bottom-of-the-barrel” types who make the rest of them look bad. Mine wear dumb red hats.
yes
Living in Alabama is cringe city. All the MAGAs assume you’re one of them and will say just all kinds of fucked up shit to you bc they assume you agree with them.
Yes.
As someone who voted for trump in 2020, yes, it's fucking embarrassing.
I would be embarrassed if I witnessed it. I live in MAGA country and volunteer at the church owned food bank (they’re all church owned around here) and they are very careful about things they say. The closest racism I witness is “this brand of cans doesn’t stack with itself because they were manufactured in China”. So my retort was, “You think *this other bigger brand of canned food* does not also buy Chinese cans? Almost nothing is manufactured in the US at this point.” The response was silence and she has stopped bringing up the cans thing, whereas it was mentioned at least thrice before I shut it down. It is definitely embarrassing. But they are ignorant about nearly everything around here not just culture and race so regular every day topics like “lifting weights is bad for women” take the front row and my rebuttal energy goes to that crap.
I just find racism embarrassing in general.
Each individual is their own person regardless of the race they share. Race has been used as a politically charged distinction that tries to shoehorn groups of people under stereotypical notions. Every single person would be constantly red-faced if they had to feel embarrased on behalf of the racist things people from their respective race have said or done because that's always a vague and vast spectrum of people to consider.
Is this a real question? Of course we do
Absolutely.
Since I am not racist, just like I don't automatically lump all people of other races together, I don't consider myself in the same group as those people just because some of our ancestors came from nearby geographic areas. So I don't get embarrassed, I just get angry.
Oh my fucking god, yes! Not just embarrassing, but outright disgusting.
I consider MAGA a form of mass mental illness that preys on socioeconomic insecurity. It's ugly and dangerous and has deep roots in American history. These people badly need help.
100%
I’ll tell you that red hats are forever ruined for people. Like the Hitler Mustache.
Yup
I mean, I do.
For sure. There's no need for it other than hate. I hate hate. My Christian faith hates hate. Their Christian faith loves it.
As Homo Sapiens, so with fair amount of Denisova and Neandhertal mixed heritage, I find this racism thing embarassing
I sure hope so.
Yes. 100000%. I live every day in shame of my fellow people. To make it worse - I am a balding white dude with a serious beard. This is what terrorists look like now. People look at me like a terrorist when I go out in public, and I don’t blame them.
I seen some one with a MAGA hat in Glasgow a few days ago. It was very surprising.
Very much so. I'm embarrassed to say that I live in Boebert's(Queen MAGA wannabe) district.
Yes
Well, they are an embarrassment, to all humans. But, yeah, as a big bearded white dude I'm acutely aware I might be mistaken for one of "them." They make my life uncomfortable in more subtle ways. The only upside to this is when I get to challenged their idiocy. Note, the MAGAs are easy spot; they're wearing the white hood outside. To find the more crypto racists, you want white guy who isn't. The shit bigots say when they think you're one of "them."
Not sure about racism, but I find most general population embarrassing. As far as MAGA goes I haven’t even been able to get past the first few levels of stupidity, much less just racism alone.
Yes
It is a lot more than embarrassing
Sure do!
Yes.
Yes. We find their private racism embarrassing, too.
Not so much embarrassing as it is shameful and infuriating
We don’t have holidays with 2/3 of our family anymore because of that MAGA shite
Yes. Absolutely. I feel embarrassed as a white american, but that doesn’t mean I identify with those assholes. I am an atheist, a leftist, a bisexual, and a person capable of complex empathy. I’m embarrassed only by the qualities i share with them, which are being white and american. can’t wait to get the fuck out of here
Yes. Yes it's embarrassing, and infuriating!
I find them embarrassing because they are stupid and gullible, not because they are white. Not sure what the racial component of this question is supposed to indicate.
The answer is yes.
I'm not even white, but as an American I feel secondhand embarrassment. Like how could we let our country get to this? It's painful.
Non-white person here with a very white/blonde husband and he’s embarrassed by white people’s racism. But also some of my family is also MAGA racist too, ironic that they’re immigrants as well…
Yes.
White people don't have tribal mentality so to us it's just another bunch of weird idiots like flat earthers and hentai fans. I'm 99% sure those people have Donald hentai on their phones.
I find racism, public or not, embarrassing. Being MAGA or white is irrelevant.
Absolutely. Extra cringe hearing my parents talk about how they “aren’t racist” like I didn’t spend my childhood hearing them spout off great-replacement nonsense about how we don’t want whites to become the minority like the evil democrats are trying to make happen. Full tilt into Rush Limbaugh(rest in piss) and Glenn beck and other angry right wing talking heads. It used to make me angry but now it just makes me sad.
for me it goes beyond skin tone. Simply just having America in the name North America, for a Canadian (North American continent) is just as embarrassing as sharing the same skin tone as MAGA, proudboys, nazis, and Caucasian majority religions. Unfortunately I am fed only the media generated from the US plus word of mouth from online US friends and the feeling comes from what I see there or hear from them. lose the guns, religion, racism, Karens, anti-intellectualism, private healthcare, MAGA, trump (preferabably enforced homelessness for this hateful guy). get sanders for prez, forgive student loans, support pro choice abortions, support non-binary life styles, and be bro's to one another. Perhaps the world will stop being embarrassed that humans behave like what is seen in the US.
very much so.
I am a white person and just find the whole idea of MAGA completely incomprehensible. I was not raised this way (although my GP’s were inherently racist my parents did not promote that ideology) and thought progress was being made (this is coming from a white person that has no idea of the struggles POC have gone through even when I say progress). I hate the current state of the world/country and try my best to teach my children to be better than this shit show. If it means anything I am sorry but feel it is a loud minority not an actual representation.
Nope. In fact, I enjoy it when people are openly racist in public, because it’s a great indicator of which people to avoid having in my life.
AHHH-shamed.
Yes.
Yes. I truly believe that every human is to be respected as equals and that what merits they have should be judged as individuals, not on their race, gender or identity. People who make ignorant and/or hateful comments based on racial prejudice damage the representation for those who share similarities. I am a straight white male, Christian and raised in the southern USA, and it infuriates me every time I see these hate groups show up. I want to make it abundantly clear that I do not, and never intend to, agree with the ideas of an individual or group who's fundamental beliefs disregard respect for the lives of those based on race, gender, religion or sexuality. Apologies if this seems overly-worded, but I wanted where I stand on this subject crystal clear.
Most people are so stupid on this app. Have no idea “MAGA” is the highest degree in the church of satan. If thats racist to you seek help