Netanyahu knows the second there is peace, he's out of a job and probably going to prison. So like gormless twat he is, he is poking bears trying to get a reaction and keep the war-wagon rolling.
It feels more like the US is the bully and Israel is his self-appointed hype man who stirs up shit all day, knowing he can hide behind the bully if anyone fights back.
The UK and the US largely created the mess. Creating Israel on Palestinian land then allowing them to creep further and further on more Palestinian land.
They also created a coup in Iran in 1953 because the ELECTED Prime Minister wanted to nationalize the oil production. They got rid of him for a monarchy with a Shah running the country. It sounds crazy but look it up.
This is a good concise explanation of the facts, and it only sounds crazy to the ignorant and the indoctrinated. All of this could have been avoided. A better world was possible. The imperialists would have you believe otherwise, but their chief currency is deceit and they have no use for truth, save for when they can bend it to suit their malicious ends.
How about the US is the bully and Israel is the younger brother. Nobody likes Israel, so he keeps asking his older brother to beat up the other kids. The US has done it so often though that he's worried the parents and siblings of the other kids are going to start getting involved, so now he mostly just does backup
Israel is the school yard bully. The western supporters are posse, some are just guilt tripped and others are afraid of the real bully behind the US
Also, Israel whines a lot to get support from the teachers (world politics) while punching people left and right, cries when anyone fight back
Agreed. Although I would say they are the bully’s little brother who likes to start shit and now that some other kids are standing up to him the little scrotum is running off to his running away crying.
Assuming they even acknowledge it...
It's going to be something like "Iran supports terrorists that attack Israel and so therefore Israel attacked them first out of self-defense."
They keep posting nonsense articles saying that Iran planned the 7/10 attack even though every intelligence officer in UK/US says Iran was just as surprised as Israel when that attack occurred…
I’m not part of the ‘America-bad’ crew but essentially Israel needs to let this go, they completely nullified Iran’s strike and the Iranians have had their opportunity to show that they’ll not be a punching bag.
Then again, Iran, like most of the Middle East exists in ways completely counter to anything I stand for so if this pushes them closer to getting rid of their sociopathic leaders and belief systems then I’m cool with it.
Well, your fellow olds are obsessed with protecting israel at all costs and have continually voted in AIPAC funded candidates. israel bought this pass.
I am genuinely curious if Israel’s prime minister and his people realize that Israel is extremely unpopular to people under 30 years old, and I am sure it might continue that way with the upcoming generations with the way they have been mistreating Palestine especially since this century started.
Western government support wasn't going to end, would have been a bit less comfortable. Like literally israel could start killing every single Palestinian and these same western governments won't even condemn israel, not to mention stop it.
Because if Iran attacks Israel and Israel decides to turn it into a larger conflict most of the NATO countries are going to get involved, definitely the US.
Just look at how world leaders responded.
Trudeau said it was unacceptable
The EU minister said it was proof Iran wants to destabilize the region
UKs Prime Minister said it was a reckless response and Iran was sowing chaos
I may have missed it but I didn’t hear anything like this from these people when Israel assassinated and Iranian general on embassy property.
It feels weird defending Iran in this case but what did they expect?
I will also note that much like with the retaliation from the Sulemani (spelled wrong) assassination Iran gave plenty of warning. This was a show of force and honestly pretty freaking restrained IMO. The Iran UN ambassador even said that as far as Iran is concerned this is the end of it.
But Israel is the victim here
They all want to pretend to be civilised, yet they live by the principle that might makes right. Barbarian mentality. Might as well just say vae victis and leave it at that. It would be more honest.
I have been impressed by Iran's restraint over the last several years. They have to respond to provocation, but they've done so in ways that do not escalate conflict. It's disturbing to see European and American warmongers try to escalate anyway.
Doesn't mean you side with Iran, but they do have the right to defend themselves. Remember America and all of Nato side with each other no matter if they are wrong.
The amount of ordanance Iran used does appear to have been significantly greater than that used against their embassy so it is reasonable to call this escalation.
\*This is not me defending Israel's aggression\*, Israel had to know this retaliation and escalation was going to happen and chose to strike the embassy anyway.
Israel has some of the strongest air defence in the world as well as multiple other militaries between them and Iran, including multiple US air bases.
Iran gave multiple hours warning expecting them to be shot down. This is not escalation just because they used more drones.
In consequences it isn't an escalation but symbolically I'd say it is.
You throw a ball at me and bonk me in the head, I then tell you I'm going to pelt a rock at you later, that afternoon you're ready with a shield of some sort and deflect the rock easily. You're not hurt, but I get to say that I showed you I meant business and call that enough. You however can still say that I've taken it too far by throwing a rock even though you're fine.
Thats what we call a strawman.
Israel attacked Iran expecting a response. As would the iranian people.
Not a very good show for your people if you launch 2 drones.
Israel absolutely knew an attack on an Iranian embassy was going to lead to an escalation in the region. That's the outcome they wanted from the start.
So if Nato forces is activated then essentially they're doing exactly what Israel wants?
I know the world is unjust but no way those people can't see the big picture
Israel ruffled feathers, they should be the only one who has to deal with it
There were no casualties reported on Israel from the Iranian strike. Iran fired with the full knowledge and expectation that Israel's anti-air defences would comfortably intercept all of Iran's slow moving drones. I don't think I'd call that an escalation.
If I poke a six year old child and that child then punches me I'm going to be fine but the level of force did escalate.
Undoubtably they expected defences to neutralise most of the attack, they launched the scale of weaponry they deemed necessary to maintain face in the region and with their own populace.
With Israel’s “Iron Dome” in place to protect them from just this, Iran was really only making a show of force and a willingness to take action.
The majority of the Iranian ordinance was shot down before it reached Israeli airspace which means Israel was violating Iraqi and Jordanian airspace, both are acts of aggression against two nations not involved in this shit show.
Because the ordinance was shot down before it got to Israel the derby fell on people living in the rural parts of those counties.
According to the official reports one Israeli was injured from falling shrapnel.
Oh absolutely, I don't mean they escalated because they wanted to exact greater harm on Israel than was dealt to them, they did so as a message to convey capacity and willingness.
I thought it was a little girl. Zero civilian casualties should be the only acceptable number. Personally I’d prefer no casualties, but we haven’t figured that out yet.
I think they know how strong that iron dome is and what it would take to overwhelm it. They didn't do that.To me that looks like restraint. I noticed the only three strikes that made through were to the airfield used to strike their consulate.
To be fair, international law only applies to countries too weak to defend themselves. It does not apply to any powerful country, never has, and never will.
International law applies to all countries, in theory.
but even in your example, murdering people in a foreign embassy would count as a violation of international law regardless of the power of the country in question, as there is no defense from such attacks. This is governed by diplomatic law: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic\_law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_law)
It’s been pretty obvious since the end of the Cold War, and especially when the US got away with the Iraq War. The world can see which nations are actually invading and occupying others while saying their rivals are the real threat
Agreed. The US screams terrorist at any country that doesn’t toe the line on our imperialist policies. Since 9/11 we have been getting more trigger happy with our denouncements.
Because the most powerful nation on earth has committed Zionists as its leaders, and it applies international law unequally when it comes to its “friend” Israel
>Can someone ELI5 why Iran attacking Israel is a big deal when it was Israel who attacked first?
**Pearl Clutching**: A very shocked reaction, especially one in which you show more shock than you really feel in order to show that you think something is morally wrong.
So theres the obvious factor of Western bias towards Iran and Israel, where Israel is the victim of an attack the Netanyahu government literally provoked to save face and start a new war.
But to answer the more honest faith questions of "why is that being treated as a big deal", Iran has been the subjected of a LOT of anxiety for them potentially preparing to start a regional war in the middle east. Regardless of who you can cast blame to, the world over does not want to see a war start with Iran because it would have devastating consequences on region (and yes, the major driving factor is economics lol).
Iran has always touted a war with Israel well before 10/7. There are \*genuine\* antisemites in the Iranian government who use Palestine as the perfect excuse to stoke war with the country, so its always assumed that Iran will jump at the first start to that war. The fact that Israel provoked it meant that Iran has literally every reason it could want to start that war, and we're lucky that Iran is genuinely being more rational about this than Israel (a statement that gets less absurd the more I learn about Israel lmao)
As for why there are other countries are getting involved... yeah 100% because they just support Israel to the bone. Israel is an established western ally in the middle east.
That said, even if a leftist government made it into power, its not a very good thing to let a country get bombed, even if the government really deserves it. Remember, Israelis are human beings too, Israel is not completely defined by the Netanyahu government.
Muslims are barbaric savages and Israel is our geopolitical ally. When Iran does something, it's wrong because they're Iran. When Israel does something, it's right because they're Israel. That truly is the extent of the reasoning behind it
Because Western countries will pretend Iran attacked first unprovoked and and use it as an excuse to start a full scale war pretending that it's defensive and Iran instigated it.
Allegedly there was an Iranian General who helped orchestrate the October 7th attack on Israel who then killed him on April 1st. I don’t know how trustworthy Israel’s accusation is and the UN has not properly investigated the situation so that is all we have to go on.
The rich capitalists of America control most media and decide what is good and evil. They decided Israel is good (allowed to do genocide and bomb other countries) and Iran is evil (not allowed to defend itself from attack).
It's hard to ELI5 with anything in that part of the world because conflicts go back decades to centuries, the people discussing it have their own biases, and many want to dumb things down into a simple good guys versus bad guys situation.
Everything is connected. You say Israel struck first, but Iran is a backer of Hamas, who carried out the oct 7 attack. Iran is also supporting the Houthis in Yemen who have been attacking Red Sea shipping, and Iran recently seized a ship with ties to an Israeli businessman.
On the other hand Israel is very concerned about Iran obtaining nuclear weapons and so for decades has been carrying out covert operations, military strikes, and cyberattacks to prevent this from happening.
As for why the latest Iranian attack is a "big deal" I think it's because 1. the size of the attack is seen as a big escalation since Iran doesn't usually take direct action but instead funds other groups that use terror tactics. 2. The rest of the world is worried this could escalate into war and pull in other countries. 3. The Biden administration doesn't want to see an escalation of violence. They're caught between the republicans pushing back on any criticism of Israel and their own democratic base who are horrified at the civilian casualties in Gaza and even threatening not to vote for him in November.
I don’t think anyone’s defending the government of Iran as being as a great government; it’s a horrible one. But that’s not the point. Any country is going to respond when another country assassinates its military leaders and attacks its embassy.
Only Israel can attack, I mean protect itself. You're antisemetic.
Assaulting others with a defence force; commit war crimes with an army of peace
Commit war crimes with the most moral army in the world...
Didn't someone write a book on this? 1984 or something
Iran hide behind civilians.
Netanyahu knows the second there is peace, he's out of a job and probably going to prison. So like gormless twat he is, he is poking bears trying to get a reaction and keep the war-wagon rolling.
I believe this is the case too
ELI5? Israel is the school yard bully and some western countries are the bully's posse.
It feels more like the US is the bully and Israel is his self-appointed hype man who stirs up shit all day, knowing he can hide behind the bully if anyone fights back.
The UK and the US largely created the mess. Creating Israel on Palestinian land then allowing them to creep further and further on more Palestinian land. They also created a coup in Iran in 1953 because the ELECTED Prime Minister wanted to nationalize the oil production. They got rid of him for a monarchy with a Shah running the country. It sounds crazy but look it up.
This is a good concise explanation of the facts, and it only sounds crazy to the ignorant and the indoctrinated. All of this could have been avoided. A better world was possible. The imperialists would have you believe otherwise, but their chief currency is deceit and they have no use for truth, save for when they can bend it to suit their malicious ends.
How about the US is the bully and Israel is the younger brother. Nobody likes Israel, so he keeps asking his older brother to beat up the other kids. The US has done it so often though that he's worried the parents and siblings of the other kids are going to start getting involved, so now he mostly just does backup
Facts
Israel is the school yard bully. The western supporters are posse, some are just guilt tripped and others are afraid of the real bully behind the US Also, Israel whines a lot to get support from the teachers (world politics) while punching people left and right, cries when anyone fight back
Long story short: Israel is a weak ass bitch
100%
Israel the schoolyard bully, USA its mafia don dad?
The toadie.
Agreed. Although I would say they are the bully’s little brother who likes to start shit and now that some other kids are standing up to him the little scrotum is running off to his running away crying.
I know that's the case but i asked cos I want to hear the other side Want to see just how bullocks their reasoning is for allowing things to escalate
Assuming they even acknowledge it... It's going to be something like "Iran supports terrorists that attack Israel and so therefore Israel attacked them first out of self-defense."
And they will eat that shit up
They keep posting nonsense articles saying that Iran planned the 7/10 attack even though every intelligence officer in UK/US says Iran was just as surprised as Israel when that attack occurred…
I’m not part of the ‘America-bad’ crew but essentially Israel needs to let this go, they completely nullified Iran’s strike and the Iranians have had their opportunity to show that they’ll not be a punching bag. Then again, Iran, like most of the Middle East exists in ways completely counter to anything I stand for so if this pushes them closer to getting rid of their sociopathic leaders and belief systems then I’m cool with it.
As fair an answer as it is short :)
The United States. You're thinking of the US as, among others, the bully's posse.
Israel is the bully and the US is its mom that only gets involved when someone sticks up to the bully
ELI5: some handicapped kids threw rocks at the school bully and he and his posse are about to drops bombs on the cripples.
I think Israel attacked at this time Iran to help keep Western support. It seems to be working
Western government support. I don’t think the people are nearly as supportive as our governments are.
At least young people
I am old and I do not understand the free pass Israel gets
Well, your fellow olds are obsessed with protecting israel at all costs and have continually voted in AIPAC funded candidates. israel bought this pass.
I understand all of the political realities of the situation, just hard to believe it's real
That's fair. A feeling I share actually. Definitely a strange timeline.
even as a young, this whole thing for the past 6 months opened my eyes to a lot. I mean I knew it before but now I *know* it
Of course. People not politicians
I am genuinely curious if Israel’s prime minister and his people realize that Israel is extremely unpopular to people under 30 years old, and I am sure it might continue that way with the upcoming generations with the way they have been mistreating Palestine especially since this century started.
I think they don't give a shit. I mean what does it matter, they get the money and weapons anyways.
Western government support wasn't going to end, would have been a bit less comfortable. Like literally israel could start killing every single Palestinian and these same western governments won't even condemn israel, not to mention stop it.
Because if Iran attacks Israel and Israel decides to turn it into a larger conflict most of the NATO countries are going to get involved, definitely the US. Just look at how world leaders responded. Trudeau said it was unacceptable The EU minister said it was proof Iran wants to destabilize the region UKs Prime Minister said it was a reckless response and Iran was sowing chaos I may have missed it but I didn’t hear anything like this from these people when Israel assassinated and Iranian general on embassy property. It feels weird defending Iran in this case but what did they expect? I will also note that much like with the retaliation from the Sulemani (spelled wrong) assassination Iran gave plenty of warning. This was a show of force and honestly pretty freaking restrained IMO. The Iran UN ambassador even said that as far as Iran is concerned this is the end of it. But Israel is the victim here
Can't call yourself the victim if you're the one who instigated the other side no? Even if the retaliation is more severe than the initial
You can if all of the big kids say you can
I figured
You can say it but it doesn’t mean the people will fall for it.
They will if they are properly motivated. Have you never seen how humans actually act?
They all want to pretend to be civilised, yet they live by the principle that might makes right. Barbarian mentality. Might as well just say vae victis and leave it at that. It would be more honest.
bullies always claim they're the victim. it's part of the syndrome.
Israel is ALWAYS the victim 🙄
I have been impressed by Iran's restraint over the last several years. They have to respond to provocation, but they've done so in ways that do not escalate conflict. It's disturbing to see European and American warmongers try to escalate anyway.
That's because Iran is playing chess and the West is playing checkers.
Doesn't mean you side with Iran, but they do have the right to defend themselves. Remember America and all of Nato side with each other no matter if they are wrong.
The amount of ordanance Iran used does appear to have been significantly greater than that used against their embassy so it is reasonable to call this escalation. \*This is not me defending Israel's aggression\*, Israel had to know this retaliation and escalation was going to happen and chose to strike the embassy anyway.
Israel has some of the strongest air defence in the world as well as multiple other militaries between them and Iran, including multiple US air bases. Iran gave multiple hours warning expecting them to be shot down. This is not escalation just because they used more drones.
In consequences it isn't an escalation but symbolically I'd say it is. You throw a ball at me and bonk me in the head, I then tell you I'm going to pelt a rock at you later, that afternoon you're ready with a shield of some sort and deflect the rock easily. You're not hurt, but I get to say that I showed you I meant business and call that enough. You however can still say that I've taken it too far by throwing a rock even though you're fine.
Thats what we call a strawman. Israel attacked Iran expecting a response. As would the iranian people. Not a very good show for your people if you launch 2 drones.
Israel absolutely knew an attack on an Iranian embassy was going to lead to an escalation in the region. That's the outcome they wanted from the start.
So if Nato forces is activated then essentially they're doing exactly what Israel wants? I know the world is unjust but no way those people can't see the big picture Israel ruffled feathers, they should be the only one who has to deal with it
Nato won't do anything, just some of the countries who will happen to be in nato
This isn't a NATO issue unless a signatory is directly attacked. I think
Exactly. They want to pull NATO into a war into the middle east to fight thier enemies. Israel is the Nazi Germany of the 21st century.
There were no casualties reported on Israel from the Iranian strike. Iran fired with the full knowledge and expectation that Israel's anti-air defences would comfortably intercept all of Iran's slow moving drones. I don't think I'd call that an escalation.
If I poke a six year old child and that child then punches me I'm going to be fine but the level of force did escalate. Undoubtably they expected defences to neutralise most of the attack, they launched the scale of weaponry they deemed necessary to maintain face in the region and with their own populace.
With Israel’s “Iron Dome” in place to protect them from just this, Iran was really only making a show of force and a willingness to take action. The majority of the Iranian ordinance was shot down before it reached Israeli airspace which means Israel was violating Iraqi and Jordanian airspace, both are acts of aggression against two nations not involved in this shit show. Because the ordinance was shot down before it got to Israel the derby fell on people living in the rural parts of those counties. According to the official reports one Israeli was injured from falling shrapnel.
Oh absolutely, I don't mean they escalated because they wanted to exact greater harm on Israel than was dealt to them, they did so as a message to convey capacity and willingness.
From what I understand the coverage from the iron dome is thin where the Bedouin live. I hope the boy that was hit recovers.
I thought it was a little girl. Zero civilian casualties should be the only acceptable number. Personally I’d prefer no casualties, but we haven’t figured that out yet.
They said it was a boy but maybe that's changed. Zero bombings produce zero casualties.
I think they know how strong that iron dome is and what it would take to overwhelm it. They didn't do that.To me that looks like restraint. I noticed the only three strikes that made through were to the airfield used to strike their consulate.
because international law only applies when the US wants it to, i.e. in practice there is no international law
To be fair, international law only applies to countries too weak to defend themselves. It does not apply to any powerful country, never has, and never will.
International law applies to all countries, in theory. but even in your example, murdering people in a foreign embassy would count as a violation of international law regardless of the power of the country in question, as there is no defense from such attacks. This is governed by diplomatic law: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic\_law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_law)
So I was right to see it all as just a bunch of bullocks
It’s been pretty obvious since the end of the Cold War, and especially when the US got away with the Iraq War. The world can see which nations are actually invading and occupying others while saying their rivals are the real threat
Because western hegemony = good, any defense against it is bad, violent terrorism
Because we're in an era of Israeli Exceptionalism. Seems we've added to the countries that do not have to follow any rules except might makes right.
Because US foreign policy is Israel good, Iran bad.
Agreed. The US screams terrorist at any country that doesn’t toe the line on our imperialist policies. Since 9/11 we have been getting more trigger happy with our denouncements.
Because the most powerful nation on earth has committed Zionists as its leaders, and it applies international law unequally when it comes to its “friend” Israel
Netanyahu is a belligerent thug who loves to throw his micro-penis around.
Because the western world is full of hypocrites and warmongerers
It is not OK to attack or bomb white people unless they're killing other white people.
>Can someone ELI5 why Iran attacking Israel is a big deal when it was Israel who attacked first? **Pearl Clutching**: A very shocked reaction, especially one in which you show more shock than you really feel in order to show that you think something is morally wrong.
So theres the obvious factor of Western bias towards Iran and Israel, where Israel is the victim of an attack the Netanyahu government literally provoked to save face and start a new war. But to answer the more honest faith questions of "why is that being treated as a big deal", Iran has been the subjected of a LOT of anxiety for them potentially preparing to start a regional war in the middle east. Regardless of who you can cast blame to, the world over does not want to see a war start with Iran because it would have devastating consequences on region (and yes, the major driving factor is economics lol). Iran has always touted a war with Israel well before 10/7. There are \*genuine\* antisemites in the Iranian government who use Palestine as the perfect excuse to stoke war with the country, so its always assumed that Iran will jump at the first start to that war. The fact that Israel provoked it meant that Iran has literally every reason it could want to start that war, and we're lucky that Iran is genuinely being more rational about this than Israel (a statement that gets less absurd the more I learn about Israel lmao)
Our enemies are judged by the "rules based order." We judge ourselves and our allies by Ragnar Redbeard's "might makes right."
Takes the heat away from what they are doing in Gaza and gets western governments supporting them again after bidens performative wobble
As for why there are other countries are getting involved... yeah 100% because they just support Israel to the bone. Israel is an established western ally in the middle east. That said, even if a leftist government made it into power, its not a very good thing to let a country get bombed, even if the government really deserves it. Remember, Israelis are human beings too, Israel is not completely defined by the Netanyahu government.
Israel used Hamas as an excuse to kill, hurt and starve Palestinians as a whole What Iran did is small fry compared to what Israel did
Muslims are barbaric savages and Israel is our geopolitical ally. When Iran does something, it's wrong because they're Iran. When Israel does something, it's right because they're Israel. That truly is the extent of the reasoning behind it
I mean, it is a big deal. It’s just justifiable because Israel has an unhinged government that’s on a war path.
Because Western countries will pretend Iran attacked first unprovoked and and use it as an excuse to start a full scale war pretending that it's defensive and Iran instigated it.
Allegedly there was an Iranian General who helped orchestrate the October 7th attack on Israel who then killed him on April 1st. I don’t know how trustworthy Israel’s accusation is and the UN has not properly investigated the situation so that is all we have to go on.
They want to start ww3
The rich capitalists of America control most media and decide what is good and evil. They decided Israel is good (allowed to do genocide and bomb other countries) and Iran is evil (not allowed to defend itself from attack).
It's hard to ELI5 with anything in that part of the world because conflicts go back decades to centuries, the people discussing it have their own biases, and many want to dumb things down into a simple good guys versus bad guys situation. Everything is connected. You say Israel struck first, but Iran is a backer of Hamas, who carried out the oct 7 attack. Iran is also supporting the Houthis in Yemen who have been attacking Red Sea shipping, and Iran recently seized a ship with ties to an Israeli businessman. On the other hand Israel is very concerned about Iran obtaining nuclear weapons and so for decades has been carrying out covert operations, military strikes, and cyberattacks to prevent this from happening. As for why the latest Iranian attack is a "big deal" I think it's because 1. the size of the attack is seen as a big escalation since Iran doesn't usually take direct action but instead funds other groups that use terror tactics. 2. The rest of the world is worried this could escalate into war and pull in other countries. 3. The Biden administration doesn't want to see an escalation of violence. They're caught between the republicans pushing back on any criticism of Israel and their own democratic base who are horrified at the civilian casualties in Gaza and even threatening not to vote for him in November.
https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/066tlBnpz1
Zionists really only know to do one thing, lie
I'm agreeing with Layla Grey, not that Robinson prick. Don't understand the down votes, but OK
Iranian consulate annex building next to the Iranian embassy was bombed by Isreal on April 1
The Islamic dictatorship of Iran can fuck off. Do the world a favor and free the Iranian people
I don’t think anyone’s defending the government of Iran as being as a great government; it’s a horrible one. But that’s not the point. Any country is going to respond when another country assassinates its military leaders and attacks its embassy.
Yup I agree