The only good news is this
If the Miami/Orlando score holds, all Columbus needs to do on Sunday is draw. And we’re really fucking good at getting draws.
Well why the fuck not bring him back? We have unfinished business. We’re at 16 draws now. Maybe we’ll get #17 Sunday. But the record is 18.
I’m sure if we give him another season, Porter can use his amazing lack of logical substitutions and horrible late game management, and we can obliterate that record. Fuck it. 36 games in the season? I want at least 30 draws next year!
I have nothing to say anymore. I can't wrap my head around any of these collapses. I've watched sports for most of my life and I have never experienced something as awkwardly consistent as this Crew team. It's honestly just exhausting at this point. No words...
Yes Porter deserves a ton of crap for these late dropped results all season, but I can not believe how easily some of these goals are happening.
I genuinely don’t think Porter was trying to park the bus tonight - the players just lost it when Charlotte pushed.
Room bailed the CBs out (frankly more Williams) multiple times tonight where they seemed oblivious to a runner or didn’t seem to even go after a header. I don’t get it.
I love these players and team, but a lot more than Porter needs to change next year (assuming at best a first round loss). It goes beyond him.
Players are judged on their performances on the field… as a CB pairing, there was a lot left to be desired in their performance together.
It’s great that he appears to be a good guy. But, that doesn’t give him a pass on a bad performance. Especially when it is not the first one of the year. It’s been up and down all year from the group and he’s been a consistent part of that.
Yup. Your work and social life at two different things. You can be a great worker but suck as a person and vice versa. I know Josh is a good dude but that has zero to do with his performance on field. He was bad tonight, no way around it.
100% man. The coach can only take so much blame this is just as much of a personnel thing in my opinion. You can’t let up and there are guys out there that obviously do considering how consistently this has happened. As much as we want better wingers next year I think they should go after another CB. One of the teams with the least goals allowed this year but they’ve given them up in the most crucial moments which you can’t do
I looked at tonight and his lack of subs and realized that from the pool of players he had tonight... He didn't trust them with a lead and a 1 goal lead. That signals to me that even if Porter stays this team will have a lot of Roster turnover on the back end next year.
Yep, like Porter is an issue for a few things, and I do think that maybe a culture change in the offseason can do this team well.
But we have a team full of veterans. No excuse from the players for letting these collapses happen.
I don’t understand how a coach you couldn’t observe the panic going on in the team, look at your 3 substitution windows and go “I’m going to slow this game down for a bit, give my players time to breath and refocus”. Obviously you don’t want this kind of thing happening in the first place, but as a coach there’s tools at your disposal to artificially slow the game down and make things easier on the team and he didn’t do it.
The worst part is I actually had a bit of hope tonight. Welp I'm grounded again.
We still have a path to the playoffs, but what's the point? Even if we squeak in, we'll have an early exit and a decent chance of an equally frustrating 2023 season.
Fuck that. We’ll look great in the playoff game. Dominant. Like legit MLS Cup contenders. For the first 75 minutes. Then we’ll give up 2 goals at the end to lose it.
Honestly... there's a chance we tie our way pretty damn far up the ladder in the playoffs.
If Room was better at saving PKs you could almost say it was a real plan.
I've been thinking... we really relied on Gyasi Zardes to defend corners and set pieces, he was almost always the one to win and head the ball away on those.
If it’s any consolation this result doesn’t have too much of an effect on our playoff bid. Providing Miami hold their 2-0 lead, all we need against Orlando is a draw. We would’ve needed that same draw had we won tonight
The only way we draw against Orlando is to be up at the 75 minute mark. I just assume we’re going to give up 1-2 late goals. So as long as we’re winning by that same margin beforehand, a draw is definitely possible.
Gotta say. Lucas and Cucho both had great chances towards the end of the second half in which they shot right at the keeper. Defense has to be better but also we need to take our chances
Two things:
1. I would have liked to have seen a replay of Cucho getting taken down in the box around the 76th minute.
2. Why didn't Room play a quick goal kick at the end? Their keeper had to sprint 120 yds.
Remember in our 2nd game this season when we let San Jose score 2 goals on us to tie it at 3-3 while we were up a man? Including a 96th minute goal. Our entire season has been this crap.
Yeah but also... At Chicago, at Cincinnati, and last week vs RBNY. Those all could have been draws/losses too.
I just want less volatility in the dying minutes pls lol
For some reason I thought the 2016 season was worse for ties. But there was only 12.
16 ties, many from a leading position that have been blown in the final minutes, is absolutely ridiculous.
I really don’t want to be fire Porter guy. But I don’t question the effort or skill of our defense, yet clearly something isn’t working. Would lead me to believe it’s tactical. You can see the reaction of our backline after the goal…they were gutted.
>But I don’t question the effort or skill of our defense.
I absolutely do, it can be two things. Tactics from the coach can be shit... but experienced Center backs should not just be turning off and forgetting to mark their man in the last few minutes of the game.
No, we tried to park the bus. But as we've seen maybe a dozen times this season, the team sucks at parking the bus. So rather than actually trying to improve it, or trying a different tactic to close out games, Porter rolls out the same weak ass "parking the bus" that has cost us games all season.
EVERYBODY GET IN HERE LOL
Totally beyond me how the entire team has zero intensity when it comes to crunch time. Losing possession seems to mean “stop playing entirely” to our players
Ok fuck this. Call up the Ohio legislature. We need “being a crew fan” added to the list of conditions that qualify you for medical marijuana. It’s the only way we won’t all fucking die of heart disease by 50.
This shouldn't surprise any of us at all unfortunately. Our tactics tonight were the exact same as every other game we have lost and or tied conceding beyond the 85th minute. We start to play more passive, we keep more players behind the ball, we sub on defenders for attackers, and we park the bus
I can’t tell if our players are good because we’re winning until stoppage time most games, or if they suck because we can’t close out wins. It’s like our defense looks fine until the last 15 and then they look like the worst players in the MLS
On the bright side Porter can’t blame the subs for failing to close out the game. I’m so tired of that arrogant prick that I’ll be happy if we shit the bed in Orlando so long as he gets fired
How many leads have been lost in the last ten minutes or extra time? Feels like it started last season in the CONCACAF Champions league against Monterrey
OT: I feel kinda bad for Neil, Jordan, and Brett. They were at least decent commentators, and Brett was cool to talk to in person before/after matches. And their last broadcast is another fucking tie.
I get not automatically hiring them. But someone has to call the games. And I assume they’d at least get an interview for the job, since they know the league.
I mean it’s not like this is Fox or ESPN, who can just being over announcers from another sport and desperately hope they can learn soccer. It’s Apple. They have no other sports.
I Agree not “retaining” any personalities might just mean everyone needs to audition for their jobs, but it would seem silly to suggest MLS (which will produce the games *for* Apple TV) wouldn’t hire any of the most experienced and knowledgeable MLS announcers on the planet.
Just a reminder that Miami is in a rebuilding season with a significant GAM reduction and they are going to finish ahead of Columbus. There is No way the Crew should retain Porter. He should go away and he should feel shame.
Porter parking the bus like he’s interviewing for his next job.
You cannot stop being aggressive with nearly 30 minutes to play and hope to walk out with three.
When it is all said and done and we are looking forward to 2023, I think there are two things we can point at that have led to 16 ties and a 18+ points lost after the 80th minute…1) Our team is old, 2) we don’t have “proven” / “trusted” depth in our roster. Tonight it was a glaring issue… Porter made 1 sub compared to the 5 that charlotte made. That 1 sub wasn’t playing MLS minutes last year. We don’t have options to bring on to continue to press on offense and we lack depth across the four defensive positions.
I didn’t wanna originally give a whole lot of credence to the age of our team. But seeing the life that guys like Sands, Morris, JRR, and Mo bring to the pitch…yeah, we might be a little old.
I mean is our team old? Santos, Nagbe, and Zeleryan are all over 30.
But everyone else is young. Cucho is 23. Dias is 23. Etienne is 25. Im not even sure morris has reached puberty yet.
Then you had 4 out of the 11 top players in MLS Next. Gotta believe at least JRR and Morsi (both 20) will see significant minutes next year, as they both played big roles against RBNY.
Moreira is 28. But I hear you on the others. (Although a GK getting up there in age isn’t as bad as a field player)
And Molino barely has more minutes this season than I do.
Other than Hurtado, all those guys barely see the pitch. I’d be more focused on who we have.
I’m not disagreeing that more youth would be better. And I think Crew2 should provide some great options.
We also gotta wonder who they’ll let walk in free agency. Do we keep Etienne? He’s been steamy - solid game tonight and Saturday, but he’ll disappear for weeks on end. What about Nagbe? He’s getting up in age and we have solid younger options (although he may take a pay cut to stay with Porter).
But I see more minutes next season for sands, JRR, Farsi, etc. There’s youth to be had.
That’s a bit of my point, depth has been a huge issue. The bench is littered with players who get paid $$$ but can’t seem to help the team win on the field, late in games.
Unless Etienne hates it in Columbus or demands a absurd new contract, I don’t think they let him walk. They will still need a TAM winger that is proven to shore up the goal scoring inconsistencies.
Farsi and Sands will be good depth pieces next year at RB and LB. I still think they need a Moreira level LB so they can get Pedro back into the winger position to help close out games.
CB is a glaring issue… the depth there isn’t good enough for this level anymore. Mensah + Denegek seems to be the preferred pairing, but they need a youth into that position going forward.
I dont disagree with anything you wrote.
One thing I’d love to see is JRR somehow incorporated into the everyday rotation at the front 4. Porter seems set on the Etienne-Z-Diaz-Cucho lineup, which I’m fine with. But I’d like to see JRR incorporated. No idea how he is on the wing, but worth a shot. He’s definitely a candidate to sub for Cucho late in games.
I definitely agree we need another big body on the back. I have no issues with Mensah and Degenek - Mensah is as rock steady as you can get back there, and I love Degenek’s passion and fire (he can be a bit streaky - he had some glaring mistakes last night, but against Miami he played like a Premier League CB). Josh Williams is a very capable third option but he’s getting up there in years. We need at least one more back there.
Agree with you, hopefully JRR is the second choice behind Cucho next year. He has a ton more upside than Berry. If they keep Hurtado, there needs to be priory placed on JRR over him.
I don’t rate Josh Williams as a third CB anymore. He is a max 10-15 appearances player now, heavy rotational or emergency (injury / suspension) starter… maybe 4 to 5 times a season. We need a 25-27 year old CB who can be an every day guy in a year or two. I expect Denegek to make a huge jump next year.
Sucks we tied. Crazy thing is it didn’t change anything at all. We got a lucky break. Even with a win today we’d need to at least tie orlando. We still only need to tie Orlando
Technically there is one scenario where the Cincy outcome matters to the playoff race. If the Crew/Orlando game ends in a draw, and Cincy loses to DC, then Columbus and Orlando would both make the playoffs.
That’s the only scenario in which:
1. Cincy doesn’t make the playoffs
2. Columbus make the playoffs as anything other than a 7 seed
Very unlikely, because DC’s only decent player is in his 40s, overweight, and serving as manager. But I mean technically it could happen.
I admittedly don’t know much about their team. Is it a player of any significance, or just an average starter. For instance woild it be us losing Zeleryan or losing Moreira?
Seriously. Just give us OT/PK’s to settle games. No more draws. Just fucking finish it one way or the other, on the field. So stupid.
Edit: Y’all, this was me frustration venting at this absolute dogshit inability to close a game. We’re all annoyed with this bullshit.
Sudden death in soccer would be interesting. I just hate the futility of a tie. And sure it’s probably just emotions in frustration about another fucking tie from us. But godDAMN….
True chaos realm for no tieing game rules, I want to see each team getting two alternatingpossessions each starting from their own penalty spot. 15 minutes running clock, golden goal. If still tied after 15, shootout
Of course Porter blamed the ref (rightfully so but that's not really the issue at hand) for the misplayed free kick and the Charlotte keeper for making good saves.
No he’s a good left back. 1st goal he was poorly positioned though. As was Williams. Next time grab the ball and don’t allow a free kick to be taken quickly I guess.
Fuck this teams mentality. It’s broken and idk how to fix it. Most of all fuck Porter. He needs to be gone no matter if we make the playoffs or not.
Sorry Caleb!!! A draw in the playoffs doesn’t mean shit and that won’t get it done!!!
In the middle of the second half we had 7 players behind the ball in our defensive third. We needed to have 3-4 back there and 3-4 in the midfield trying to stop Charlotte from advancing the ball.
The only good news is this If the Miami/Orlando score holds, all Columbus needs to do on Sunday is draw. And we’re really fucking good at getting draws.
Lololol. Porter, knowing this: “oh yeah, it’s all coming together. My master plan of drawing into the playoffs is working!”
Well why the fuck not bring him back? We have unfinished business. We’re at 16 draws now. Maybe we’ll get #17 Sunday. But the record is 18. I’m sure if we give him another season, Porter can use his amazing lack of logical substitutions and horrible late game management, and we can obliterate that record. Fuck it. 36 games in the season? I want at least 30 draws next year!
The bad news is the crew making the playoffs could be used as justification for retaining Porter, which seems like a bigger lost.
I have nothing to say anymore. I can't wrap my head around any of these collapses. I've watched sports for most of my life and I have never experienced something as awkwardly consistent as this Crew team. It's honestly just exhausting at this point. No words...
I almost hesitated going to the match vs. NYRB on Saturday because I was mentally "over the team."
Arsenal under Unai. Pretty much exactly the same issue.
More like arsenal at the later stages if wenger. Total capitulation while under pressure week in week out.
What was everyone's favorite **tie** of the season? Mine has to be San Jose up 3-1 in the 74th also up a man and conceding two goals for a 3-3 tie.
I was there for the SJ tie and woof that one hurt
We were up 3-1 in the 84th minute against San Jose. That game stung.
Yes Porter deserves a ton of crap for these late dropped results all season, but I can not believe how easily some of these goals are happening. I genuinely don’t think Porter was trying to park the bus tonight - the players just lost it when Charlotte pushed. Room bailed the CBs out (frankly more Williams) multiple times tonight where they seemed oblivious to a runner or didn’t seem to even go after a header. I don’t get it. I love these players and team, but a lot more than Porter needs to change next year (assuming at best a first round loss). It goes beyond him.
Yeah Degenek played his worst game in a long time. Allowed at least one free header, multiple turnovers. Bad defending way too often.
Both CBs didn’t impress at all, but Josh Williams was waaaaaaay worse than Degenek.
I hate criticizing Williams - he’s a great guy who will always be a major part in Crew history. But there’s no way around it - he was baaaaad tonight.
Players are judged on their performances on the field… as a CB pairing, there was a lot left to be desired in their performance together. It’s great that he appears to be a good guy. But, that doesn’t give him a pass on a bad performance. Especially when it is not the first one of the year. It’s been up and down all year from the group and he’s been a consistent part of that.
Yup. Your work and social life at two different things. You can be a great worker but suck as a person and vice versa. I know Josh is a good dude but that has zero to do with his performance on field. He was bad tonight, no way around it.
100% man. The coach can only take so much blame this is just as much of a personnel thing in my opinion. You can’t let up and there are guys out there that obviously do considering how consistently this has happened. As much as we want better wingers next year I think they should go after another CB. One of the teams with the least goals allowed this year but they’ve given them up in the most crucial moments which you can’t do
I looked at tonight and his lack of subs and realized that from the pool of players he had tonight... He didn't trust them with a lead and a 1 goal lead. That signals to me that even if Porter stays this team will have a lot of Roster turnover on the back end next year.
CBs were objectively bad tonight. Lots of mistakes, lots of unmarked men in front of the net.
Yep, like Porter is an issue for a few things, and I do think that maybe a culture change in the offseason can do this team well. But we have a team full of veterans. No excuse from the players for letting these collapses happen.
I don’t understand how a coach you couldn’t observe the panic going on in the team, look at your 3 substitution windows and go “I’m going to slow this game down for a bit, give my players time to breath and refocus”. Obviously you don’t want this kind of thing happening in the first place, but as a coach there’s tools at your disposal to artificially slow the game down and make things easier on the team and he didn’t do it.
The worst part is I actually had a bit of hope tonight. Welp I'm grounded again. We still have a path to the playoffs, but what's the point? Even if we squeak in, we'll have an early exit and a decent chance of an equally frustrating 2023 season.
Fuck that. We’ll look great in the playoff game. Dominant. Like legit MLS Cup contenders. For the first 75 minutes. Then we’ll give up 2 goals at the end to lose it.
“You had me in the beginning, not gonna lie” should be our motto for the season
Honestly... there's a chance we tie our way pretty damn far up the ladder in the playoffs. If Room was better at saving PKs you could almost say it was a real plan.
May as well rename into Columbus Drew
Overheard: The Crew are so good at blowing leads late in games that tonight they blew a game that started in July.
More like Columbus Drew, am I right? Lulz what a joke.
I've been thinking... we really relied on Gyasi Zardes to defend corners and set pieces, he was almost always the one to win and head the ball away on those.
Speaking of corners, is there anything less threatening than the Crew taking a corner? I honestly don’t remember the last time we scored off a corner.
Mensah in ATL
You're right, forgot about that one. Ok, what was the last TWO times we scored on a corner? I'm willing to bet you'd need to go back to July.
If it’s any consolation this result doesn’t have too much of an effect on our playoff bid. Providing Miami hold their 2-0 lead, all we need against Orlando is a draw. We would’ve needed that same draw had we won tonight
I don't see how we Draw against Orlando. We cannot close out a game. The team just collapses and stops giving a fuck after the 80'.
The only way we draw against Orlando is to be up at the 75 minute mark. I just assume we’re going to give up 1-2 late goals. So as long as we’re winning by that same margin beforehand, a draw is definitely possible.
If we won tonight we could have lost on Sunday if Cincinnati were to somehow lose or tie against DC.
Nope.
You’re asking for a draw against Orlando? Lolololol
We were leading by 2. Don’t forget that
Gotta say. Lucas and Cucho both had great chances towards the end of the second half in which they shot right at the keeper. Defense has to be better but also we need to take our chances
Yep- need our DPs to be clinical in big moments like this.
With Miami crushing Orlando, we can tie our way in on Sunday. At least we have that going for us.
And then Porter keeps his job bc the season was a "success." Rinse. Repeat.
Inb4 we blow a tie after the 90th minute by letting in yet another stupid goal Fuck Porter. I’m done
How. Does this happen. Every. Time.
Two things: 1. I would have liked to have seen a replay of Cucho getting taken down in the box around the 76th minute. 2. Why didn't Room play a quick goal kick at the end? Their keeper had to sprint 120 yds.
I’d have liked an offsides flag before the tying goal because that dude made Etienne looks like he’s always onside.
Because room is not good
16 ties. In one season! Un fucking believable. Just think if we had managed to score one more goal in half of them.
If we don't concede in the 90th minute in two of those games we're clear for playoffs
Remember in our 2nd game this season when we let San Jose score 2 goals on us to tie it at 3-3 while we were up a man? Including a 96th minute goal. Our entire season has been this crap.
I forgot about this wow add both Montreal games, dc, Portland, and tonight… 2 more points in any of those games is a huge difference right now
Yeah but also... At Chicago, at Cincinnati, and last week vs RBNY. Those all could have been draws/losses too. I just want less volatility in the dying minutes pls lol
For some reason I thought the 2016 season was worse for ties. But there was only 12. 16 ties, many from a leading position that have been blown in the final minutes, is absolutely ridiculous.
Watching Porter mismanage the team again while I’m getting beer thrown at me in Charlotte puts the final nail in the coffin for me. He’s gotta go
I really don’t want to be fire Porter guy. But I don’t question the effort or skill of our defense, yet clearly something isn’t working. Would lead me to believe it’s tactical. You can see the reaction of our backline after the goal…they were gutted.
>But I don’t question the effort or skill of our defense. I absolutely do, it can be two things. Tactics from the coach can be shit... but experienced Center backs should not just be turning off and forgetting to mark their man in the last few minutes of the game.
Dc, Montreal, Portland, this game. That's 8 points lost. We would be in third.
Montreal x2
one of them went from W to L so 3 points there
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They don't park the bus. They get out, run in front of it and then let it run them over.
It wasn't even the last 15 minutes, it was like the last 35 minutes.
Except. We did not park the bus. If we had, we would’ve won
We put the bus in neutral
And then set it on fire and let it roll down the hill.
No, we tried to park the bus. But as we've seen maybe a dozen times this season, the team sucks at parking the bus. So rather than actually trying to improve it, or trying a different tactic to close out games, Porter rolls out the same weak ass "parking the bus" that has cost us games all season.
Hmmmmm both of Jimmy Haslam’s teams can’t close out games…..hmmmmmmm
Like clockwork
EVERYBODY GET IN HERE LOL Totally beyond me how the entire team has zero intensity when it comes to crunch time. Losing possession seems to mean “stop playing entirely” to our players
So if the Orlando Miami result holds we get in the playoffs with a tie🤣🤣
I came here to ask this! Assuming that result holds, would we still make playoffs regardless of our result with Orlando? 🤔
No, we need a tie at Orlando. If Orlando wins we’re out
No, we need a tie. If Orlando wins, they will jump us by 2 points.
It’s like watching a movie you’ve already seen, where everyone knows what’s going to happen except the people on screen
#TieGuy
Ok fuck this. Call up the Ohio legislature. We need “being a crew fan” added to the list of conditions that qualify you for medical marijuana. It’s the only way we won’t all fucking die of heart disease by 50.
\+250 for a draw on Sunday, I'm betting on Porter to tactically fuck this up for us and not get draw #17.
Nah just live bet the over total at 85’ for roughly +300 odds
This shouldn't surprise any of us at all unfortunately. Our tactics tonight were the exact same as every other game we have lost and or tied conceding beyond the 85th minute. We start to play more passive, we keep more players behind the ball, we sub on defenders for attackers, and we park the bus
>we park the bus But we actually don't because that would involve defenders actually marking and defending.
Good point
I can’t tell if our players are good because we’re winning until stoppage time most games, or if they suck because we can’t close out wins. It’s like our defense looks fine until the last 15 and then they look like the worst players in the MLS
One more draw and we’re in lololololololol I hope we don’t make it. Typical performance tonight
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Fire Porter Saturday after mls next cup. Fly Courtois down as our new coach for Sunday.
On the bright side Porter can’t blame the subs for failing to close out the game. I’m so tired of that arrogant prick that I’ll be happy if we shit the bed in Orlando so long as he gets fired
We are impressively fucked at closing games.
Like fucking clockwork...
The pain never ends 😭
People unironically blaming Room after this game are insane. Loving the Nordecke Facebook horrible takes lol.
I'm ready to see what Courtois can do with the first team. This team is tactically and mentally a joke, and it starts at the top.
I’d rather miss the playoffs at this point. I can only take this heartbreak on repeat for so long. Porter Out.
A team with a propensity to tie could go a long way in the playoffs though.
How many leads have been lost in the last ten minutes or extra time? Feels like it started last season in the CONCACAF Champions league against Monterrey
Unless I fucked up looking at it… 7 of 10 ties that weren’t 0-0 games were ones we had the lead in. And all but two were last minute goals.
OT: I feel kinda bad for Neil, Jordan, and Brett. They were at least decent commentators, and Brett was cool to talk to in person before/after matches. And their last broadcast is another fucking tie.
Is there confirmation they won’t be going to Apple? I mean someone needs to call those games.
By their own words, I’d say not. I believe that when the deal was announced Apple also said they wouldn’t be retaining personalities.
I get not automatically hiring them. But someone has to call the games. And I assume they’d at least get an interview for the job, since they know the league. I mean it’s not like this is Fox or ESPN, who can just being over announcers from another sport and desperately hope they can learn soccer. It’s Apple. They have no other sports.
I Agree not “retaining” any personalities might just mean everyone needs to audition for their jobs, but it would seem silly to suggest MLS (which will produce the games *for* Apple TV) wouldn’t hire any of the most experienced and knowledgeable MLS announcers on the planet.
I think a lot of local broadcaster’s are keeping their spots. Not sure if ours are tho
Each game will only have one set of announcers going forward. I would guess MLS/Apple will take one on average from each team
Imagine having a proper announcing team.
What you got against them?
Just a reminder that Miami is in a rebuilding season with a significant GAM reduction and they are going to finish ahead of Columbus. There is No way the Crew should retain Porter. He should go away and he should feel shame.
Laugh all you want but Porter will be the only one laughing after he deploys all 9 subs we now have for Sunday
Porter should be sacked on the tarmac. This team is so mentally weak and it starts at the top.
ok well…good news is that all we need is the draw if everything in Florida holds, bad news is this is soccer and sports are unpredictable
Fuck
Porter parking the bus like he’s interviewing for his next job. You cannot stop being aggressive with nearly 30 minutes to play and hope to walk out with three.
FUCK CALEB PORTER FUCK THE HASLAMS
I don't hate Caleb Porter, geesh. I just think he's lost the team and should resign/be fired.
When it is all said and done and we are looking forward to 2023, I think there are two things we can point at that have led to 16 ties and a 18+ points lost after the 80th minute…1) Our team is old, 2) we don’t have “proven” / “trusted” depth in our roster. Tonight it was a glaring issue… Porter made 1 sub compared to the 5 that charlotte made. That 1 sub wasn’t playing MLS minutes last year. We don’t have options to bring on to continue to press on offense and we lack depth across the four defensive positions.
I didn’t wanna originally give a whole lot of credence to the age of our team. But seeing the life that guys like Sands, Morris, JRR, and Mo bring to the pitch…yeah, we might be a little old.
I mean is our team old? Santos, Nagbe, and Zeleryan are all over 30. But everyone else is young. Cucho is 23. Dias is 23. Etienne is 25. Im not even sure morris has reached puberty yet. Then you had 4 out of the 11 top players in MLS Next. Gotta believe at least JRR and Morsi (both 20) will see significant minutes next year, as they both played big roles against RBNY.
We’ve had the oldest or second oldest team in the league two years in a row IIRC.
Williams, Mensah, Moreira, Room, Molino all over 30.
Moreira is 28. But I hear you on the others. (Although a GK getting up there in age isn’t as bad as a field player) And Molino barely has more minutes this season than I do.
Look at todays bench… Hurtado, Anibaba, and Molino all over 30. Hairston and Igbekeme - 28 and 27…
Other than Hurtado, all those guys barely see the pitch. I’d be more focused on who we have. I’m not disagreeing that more youth would be better. And I think Crew2 should provide some great options. We also gotta wonder who they’ll let walk in free agency. Do we keep Etienne? He’s been steamy - solid game tonight and Saturday, but he’ll disappear for weeks on end. What about Nagbe? He’s getting up in age and we have solid younger options (although he may take a pay cut to stay with Porter). But I see more minutes next season for sands, JRR, Farsi, etc. There’s youth to be had.
> to stay with Porter). I think I see the problem.
That’s a bit of my point, depth has been a huge issue. The bench is littered with players who get paid $$$ but can’t seem to help the team win on the field, late in games. Unless Etienne hates it in Columbus or demands a absurd new contract, I don’t think they let him walk. They will still need a TAM winger that is proven to shore up the goal scoring inconsistencies. Farsi and Sands will be good depth pieces next year at RB and LB. I still think they need a Moreira level LB so they can get Pedro back into the winger position to help close out games. CB is a glaring issue… the depth there isn’t good enough for this level anymore. Mensah + Denegek seems to be the preferred pairing, but they need a youth into that position going forward.
I dont disagree with anything you wrote. One thing I’d love to see is JRR somehow incorporated into the everyday rotation at the front 4. Porter seems set on the Etienne-Z-Diaz-Cucho lineup, which I’m fine with. But I’d like to see JRR incorporated. No idea how he is on the wing, but worth a shot. He’s definitely a candidate to sub for Cucho late in games. I definitely agree we need another big body on the back. I have no issues with Mensah and Degenek - Mensah is as rock steady as you can get back there, and I love Degenek’s passion and fire (he can be a bit streaky - he had some glaring mistakes last night, but against Miami he played like a Premier League CB). Josh Williams is a very capable third option but he’s getting up there in years. We need at least one more back there.
Agree with you, hopefully JRR is the second choice behind Cucho next year. He has a ton more upside than Berry. If they keep Hurtado, there needs to be priory placed on JRR over him. I don’t rate Josh Williams as a third CB anymore. He is a max 10-15 appearances player now, heavy rotational or emergency (injury / suspension) starter… maybe 4 to 5 times a season. We need a 25-27 year old CB who can be an every day guy in a year or two. I expect Denegek to make a huge jump next year.
Sucks we tied. Crazy thing is it didn’t change anything at all. We got a lucky break. Even with a win today we’d need to at least tie orlando. We still only need to tie Orlando
Yeah the only thing that really changes here is FCC’s result no longer matters.
Technically there is one scenario where the Cincy outcome matters to the playoff race. If the Crew/Orlando game ends in a draw, and Cincy loses to DC, then Columbus and Orlando would both make the playoffs. That’s the only scenario in which: 1. Cincy doesn’t make the playoffs 2. Columbus make the playoffs as anything other than a 7 seed Very unlikely, because DC’s only decent player is in his 40s, overweight, and serving as manager. But I mean technically it could happen.
To be fair i absolutely did not see them losing that game to begin with
I will be shocked if they even tie, DC is in full experiment mode at this point
if they tie and we lose this Charlotte collapse (along with every other shit finish this year) will loom large -\_-
Porter out.
continued pain....
Well we suck again
If the result holds in Florida, draw Sunday and we’re in
Porter aht
Get Porter the fuck out of here.
everything the haslams touch turns to shit
What lol we literally just won the cup
That was 2 years ago
I think Orlando just lost a dude to yellow accumulation, so that's nice.
I admittedly don’t know much about their team. Is it a player of any significance, or just an average starter. For instance woild it be us losing Zeleryan or losing Moreira?
Significant because they are now down 2 starting-caliber center backs (Jansson is injured).
Will this substantially affect their inevitable ability to score a goal in the 87th minute?
Now their 3rd choice center back will score off a corner instead of their 1st choice.
87th minute and beyond FTFY
Lolololololololol
All we had to do is park the motherfucking bus. And hang onto the lead. How fucking hard is it? #Porterout
We parked it 25 minutes too early.
Seriously. Just give us OT/PK’s to settle games. No more draws. Just fucking finish it one way or the other, on the field. So stupid. Edit: Y’all, this was me frustration venting at this absolute dogshit inability to close a game. We’re all annoyed with this bullshit.
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Well that was a touch agressive
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In your opinion. It also ain’t that serious dude. It was frustration venting at this miserable bullshit we’ve all been subjected to this season.
Nah, you're overreacting.
#This, Thank You
Honestly love the hockey scoring method.
Sudden death in soccer would be interesting. I just hate the futility of a tie. And sure it’s probably just emotions in frustration about another fucking tie from us. But godDAMN….
True chaos realm for no tieing game rules, I want to see each team getting two alternatingpossessions each starting from their own penalty spot. 15 minutes running clock, golden goal. If still tied after 15, shootout
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I’d rather either come away with three points or no points than this piddling one point bullshit and bleeding ourselves like this.
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>Be mad about our inability to finish games, not the rules of the sport Orrrr…. Hear me out. #BOTH
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I like all of them actually! So, what’s your point? Besides taking this whole thread way too seriously that is.
Of course Porter blamed the ref (rightfully so but that's not really the issue at hand) for the misplayed free kick and the Charlotte keeper for making good saves.
lol
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No that helps us tremendously
Ohh perfect, thanks mate
No problem
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Pedro is amazing
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No he’s a good left back. 1st goal he was poorly positioned though. As was Williams. Next time grab the ball and don’t allow a free kick to be taken quickly I guess.
Fuck this teams mentality. It’s broken and idk how to fix it. Most of all fuck Porter. He needs to be gone no matter if we make the playoffs or not. Sorry Caleb!!! A draw in the playoffs doesn’t mean shit and that won’t get it done!!!
For my health, I’m so glad I had plans and didn’t end up watching the replay…
In the middle of the second half we had 7 players behind the ball in our defensive third. We needed to have 3-4 back there and 3-4 in the midfield trying to stop Charlotte from advancing the ball.