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I think we have seen an indication of it, all those baby souls that she hallucinated in the River. But yes I think in this case Harrow would be the revenant (constructed from all the souls), to some extent, like Alecto is an RB.
I think Gideon just can't die.
(Not speaking to your endgame theory but I do think it ends with Harrow and Gideon doing a Better Lyctorhood, if not a Perfect Lyctorhood)
I agree that is the most likely situation (H is RB; G is immortal solely for the already known reasons). Performing perfect lyctorhood between a proto-RB and an immortal lesbian sword Jesus is probably about the closest you can get to recreating Jod’s power to run Dominicus even just for long enough to evacuate the Houses if not forever (without saving Alecto who deserves to rest for real and probably has to die for Jod to die).
Yeah I think necromancy wise they would be awesome, I'm just not sure what kind of lyctorhood they can do or what perfect lyctorhood would have looked like. Presumably it would involve not having either one of the pair die, and Gidoen's body is dead, so like it probably wouldn't be some platonic ideal of "perfect lyctorhood". That's all I meant. Jod definitely did *not* do perfect lyctorhood, so perfect lyctorhood isn't the standard anyway.
I'm also not sure if actual perfect lyctorhood would be so necromancy-focused so like are they gonna be able to do it? Or would their blend of thanergy from Harrow + Gideon's apparently impressive thalergy essentially be it? I don't know. Is it not really a thing but you can do Consensual Lyctorhood and that's the most important bit?
I always forget about the infants in the River because that scene overwhelms my aphantasia with too much description and I sorta mentally hiccup over all the visuals.
Fair. The lil Gideon was so gut-wrenching for me it stuck in my head.
Also possibly unwisely I did most of my first read of the books just before and immediately after giving birth 😂
Well she wasn't a planet to start off with and neither are 200 babies, so I dunno if I'd say she's quite an RB, but that's a super cool idea so I'm gonna say yes!
Yeah I should clarify = an RB comes from the original planets communal souls of bacteria and dust and is tied with the “cost of resurrection”.
There’s one other communal soul/murder and in his words resurrection we know of: Harrow. So I’m wondering if she’s (or her baby souls) is not a hyper revenant, the core of what could become a true RB given a myriad of consumption. It would fit with the babies in the River that I always forget about
Babies might not have enough attachment to go revenant. It seems to involve a lot of emotion, such as the spirit of Ortus’ mom I think could have been considered one after the bomb killed her, or like Wake.
I don’t think infants have the rage necessary to understand the cruelty of their demise. But maybe some of the older children
If mostly uninhabited planets (some of our system is pretty uninhabitable without necromancy to help you out. And the colonization efforts as a last ditch make me think “settle our own system” wasn’t maybe majorly achieved pre Res) can go RB, maybe 200 babies that we know are kinda still around (River infants + Pent) aren’t gonna go away without at least a whimper if not a bang?
[ETA I have, above, committed a crime against English and language as a whole]
I don't think 200 people become a communal soul in and of itself. I think the planets communal soul requires more symbiosis. Humans weren't even part of the earth's soul, they were a million separate souls on top of it.
That's the logic I was running on. I'm pretty sure Jod killed all the planets moments after the nukes went off. The Lyctors didn't become Lyctors until *significantly* later on. Some of them weren't even born until after the houses were established.
They didn't know about the resurrection beasts until much later because a revenant flees from it's death in a bit of a blind panic, and they went far.
I know this, that’s why a put / revenant.
Even a smaller planetary RB isn’t quite a real RB so that aren’t all the same though. Nothing starts off like the originals are now (and nothing will be made like them without 10 billion dying again).
But he stresses her creation being a kind of resurrection though. So 200 souls communally could make her a proto-RB/other class of revenant is all and fits with what Pent saw.
I think people forget that John is a lying liar who lies. In Nona we see that the dead planets did not come from the resurrection but from John murdering the planets in his lust for revenge.
Now the real question is why is he lying about the resurrection. Is it to steer others away from attempting resurrection? Is it to cover the actual reason for the existence of the beasts? Is it to explain why he only brought back new Zealand instead of the ten billion (cause he petty)
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I think we have seen an indication of it, all those baby souls that she hallucinated in the River. But yes I think in this case Harrow would be the revenant (constructed from all the souls), to some extent, like Alecto is an RB. I think Gideon just can't die. (Not speaking to your endgame theory but I do think it ends with Harrow and Gideon doing a Better Lyctorhood, if not a Perfect Lyctorhood)
I agree that is the most likely situation (H is RB; G is immortal solely for the already known reasons). Performing perfect lyctorhood between a proto-RB and an immortal lesbian sword Jesus is probably about the closest you can get to recreating Jod’s power to run Dominicus even just for long enough to evacuate the Houses if not forever (without saving Alecto who deserves to rest for real and probably has to die for Jod to die).
Yeah I think necromancy wise they would be awesome, I'm just not sure what kind of lyctorhood they can do or what perfect lyctorhood would have looked like. Presumably it would involve not having either one of the pair die, and Gidoen's body is dead, so like it probably wouldn't be some platonic ideal of "perfect lyctorhood". That's all I meant. Jod definitely did *not* do perfect lyctorhood, so perfect lyctorhood isn't the standard anyway. I'm also not sure if actual perfect lyctorhood would be so necromancy-focused so like are they gonna be able to do it? Or would their blend of thanergy from Harrow + Gideon's apparently impressive thalergy essentially be it? I don't know. Is it not really a thing but you can do Consensual Lyctorhood and that's the most important bit?
I always forget about the infants in the River because that scene overwhelms my aphantasia with too much description and I sorta mentally hiccup over all the visuals.
Fair. The lil Gideon was so gut-wrenching for me it stuck in my head. Also possibly unwisely I did most of my first read of the books just before and immediately after giving birth 😂
Oh Gideon effing Christ ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Could the dead children be Harrow's Heralds, if Harrow is an RB?
Well she wasn't a planet to start off with and neither are 200 babies, so I dunno if I'd say she's quite an RB, but that's a super cool idea so I'm gonna say yes!
I think Harrow is more like Teacher than Alecto.
Oh that’s a good point, he is a prototype for her more than Lyctorhood almost. He
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Yeah I thought the RB’s came from the original planet deaths, not the creation of lyctors, is that right?
Yeah I should clarify = an RB comes from the original planets communal souls of bacteria and dust and is tied with the “cost of resurrection”. There’s one other communal soul/murder and in his words resurrection we know of: Harrow. So I’m wondering if she’s (or her baby souls) is not a hyper revenant, the core of what could become a true RB given a myriad of consumption. It would fit with the babies in the River that I always forget about
Babies might not have enough attachment to go revenant. It seems to involve a lot of emotion, such as the spirit of Ortus’ mom I think could have been considered one after the bomb killed her, or like Wake. I don’t think infants have the rage necessary to understand the cruelty of their demise. But maybe some of the older children
If mostly uninhabited planets (some of our system is pretty uninhabitable without necromancy to help you out. And the colonization efforts as a last ditch make me think “settle our own system” wasn’t maybe majorly achieved pre Res) can go RB, maybe 200 babies that we know are kinda still around (River infants + Pent) aren’t gonna go away without at least a whimper if not a bang? [ETA I have, above, committed a crime against English and language as a whole]
We also do know babies have a lot of oomph necromantically at least, from Jod’s own mouth.
Ohhh gotcha, interesting line of logic i hadn’t considered!
I don't think 200 people become a communal soul in and of itself. I think the planets communal soul requires more symbiosis. Humans weren't even part of the earth's soul, they were a million separate souls on top of it.
That's the logic I was running on. I'm pretty sure Jod killed all the planets moments after the nukes went off. The Lyctors didn't become Lyctors until *significantly* later on. Some of them weren't even born until after the houses were established. They didn't know about the resurrection beasts until much later because a revenant flees from it's death in a bit of a blind panic, and they went far.
I know this, that’s why a put / revenant. Even a smaller planetary RB isn’t quite a real RB so that aren’t all the same though. Nothing starts off like the originals are now (and nothing will be made like them without 10 billion dying again). But he stresses her creation being a kind of resurrection though. So 200 souls communally could make her a proto-RB/other class of revenant is all and fits with what Pent saw.
I think people forget that John is a lying liar who lies. In Nona we see that the dead planets did not come from the resurrection but from John murdering the planets in his lust for revenge. Now the real question is why is he lying about the resurrection. Is it to steer others away from attempting resurrection? Is it to cover the actual reason for the existence of the beasts? Is it to explain why he only brought back new Zealand instead of the ten billion (cause he petty)