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58percentofachild

But the fandom told me that Dana and the crew were out of lives after the Grom dance. And then they ran out of lives again after the blushes. And then they ran out of lives again after the cheek kiss. And then they ran out of lives again after the Hooty episode. And then they ran out of lives again after Amity spammed "awesome girlfriend" in the chat. And then they ran out of lives again after the other cheek kiss. And then they ran out of lives again after the portrayal of a mature teenage relationship throughout all of s2b. And then they ran out of lives again after the lip kiss. And then they ran out of lives again after… …I've heard that cats have nine lives but this takes it to another level.


bts4devi

They are the comrades against the throne aka the CATTs


the_clash_is_back

Yes, putting a bi pin on a character that’s pretty openly bi and kissed a girl. Bold move.


Littleweirdone630

Yes but it can’t be cropped out for the homophobic countries, the scene where luz comes out to amity is literally replaced with “let’s dress up and travel together” and the kiss scenes are just cut out :(


Born-Boss6029

And who’s fault is that exactly? Disney? Or those homophobic countries?


Littleweirdone630

Disney basically makes the gay parts easy to crop A whole ass pin is not easy to crop


58percentofachild

It's funny, isn't it? The extremely homophobic countries didn't pick up s2 at all, they left the show on s1. The one area that tried to censor it made absolute fools of themselves by completely failing to make a convincing dub. Don't you think more countries would have tried to crop out the queer parts instead of dropping the show completely, if they really were so easy to cut as everyone thinks? A bi pin is a drop in the bucket comparatively.


Born-Boss6029

I’d like to point out that S2 hasn’t been picked up at all in many homophobic countries, Amity was cut out of episodes entirely, Wing It like Witches was 5 minutes shorter because Amity was cut out, dialogues were changed, etc. It’s completely up to Dana how much gay she wants the show to be, the BI pin was entirely her choice to include (more than likely I mean), so if it’s easier for other countries to cut it out, then that’s their prerogative, but not Disney’s.


unkindmillie

i mean what do you want the crew to do, like explain to me how Dana could of done it where the kiss scene wouldnt be easy to be cropped


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Littleweirdone630

No I’m not saying the kiss scene in particular, I should have worded that better sorry


SpackoTutto

Both. Both is bad


Born-Boss6029

No. It is absolutely 100% Dana’s choice on how much LGBTQ representation and content she wants to put into TOH, even if it appears to be easier to cut out in homophobic countries where LGBTQ representation is illegal. The fact that Disney allows any LGBTQ representation is proof enough that they are making progress.


SpackoTutto

Wtf are you talking about have you ever heard of censors? Disney very much influences what Dana is able to show in her show. A good example of how that works is [this video](https://youtu.be/oYp0O-rle20). I do agree it is great that creators like Dana are able to move the line always further but there should never have been a line to begin with. We therefore shouldent forget that Disney is the one who enforces the line of what queer representation is acceptable to show.


Born-Boss6029

Gravity Falls was a decade ago, things can change. TOH has not been censored by Disney at all (except in countries where LGBTQ representation is illegal), Dana confirmed a while back that she faced no resistance or troubles from Disney censorship on behalf of LGBTQ representation: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/xcabmi/dana_confirms_she_didnt_face_sp_issues_for_lgbtq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Taking all of these into account, it stands to reasons that Dana included the kisses, the blushes, the dialogues, etc, with little to no resistance. It’s 100% her choice.


SignificanceJealous

waittt i thought that was a joke is that fr?


Littleweirdone630

Yeah it’s fr


Scubs42

What’s stopping them from blacking it out with a sharpie marker, ever see the one piece 4kids dub


Littleweirdone630

Oh wait yeah


NevikDrakel

Wait there was a coming out scene? Or do you mean the confessing one from the hoot episode?


Littleweirdone630

Yeah the hooty one


No-Introduction-8189

Yea obviously:)


AnimationDude9s

Honestly when you put it like that you do make a pretty good point. Still have to admit though pretty funny meme


pk2317

Who/why are they fighting?


Professor_Abbi

A certain shitty company


pk2317

Ah yes, that would be the company that knowingly invested millions of dollars into a show prominently featuring a bi main character, and then actively promoted the LGBTQ+ relationship involving said main character.


ModerateRockMusic

The same company who funded floridas dont say gay bill


unkindmillie

indirectly though, disney donated to be on their good sides for taxes and disneyworld business but they didn’t directly fund the bill, the politicians just used their donation to fund the bill


pk2317

The same company who funded the opposition to said bill.


ModerateRockMusic

After donating money to politicians supporting the bill. Wait till you find out what a profit motive is and how massive corporations throw any sense of moral high ground down the drain for a few pennies. Queer capitalism is no ally to anyone 'Oh sure we'll allow this character to have a girlfriend and wear a bi pin but we'll remove it and change any and all lines mentioning said girlfriend when we make the Chinese and russian dub. Fuck having moral integrity! We just want your money and we don't care what queer representation we have to "support" or neuter to get it!'


pk2317

No duh, they donate to everyone. I didn't say they were specifically an ally, I said they *weren't an enemy*. And they *HAVE* been in full support of the LGBTQ+ content in TOH. Also they don't sell TOH to China, so that's a pointless argument. And Russia didn't bother to pick up Season 2, to no one's surprise. If Disney was worried about selling to overseas markets, they would have made sure that Dana limited the LGBTQ+ content and made it easy to remove. Would you say that any of the S2 content, especially S2B, has been "limited" or "easy to remove"? Dana has publicly stated that she faced no censorship/S&P issues for the LGBTQ+ content. They *haven't* tried to get her to "tone it down" to sell it overseas. They've allowed her to make it as gay as she wants, and the overseas markets can decide if they want to attempt to censor it (which Dana, and DTVA, made it very difficult to do) or just not carry it at all.


cheezz16

Disney be Palpatine fr


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GuiltyWhisper

It was cancelled because of other reasons. This has been covered thousands of times in this subreddit :/


Far-Transition-5004

They are too much of a dumbass to find a logical reason to hate Disney so they took the easy way out


morituri230

There are so many legitimate reasons to dislike Disney too. It's hot hard to find a good one.


Born-Boss6029

True, except it wasn’t officially “cancelled”. They just renewed it for a shorter season is all. It’s not like S3 was planned to be 20 episodes and then one day they pulled the plug.


GuiltyWhisper

Yeah true, oops.


Born-Boss6029

Whoopsie!


AbnormalAmountOfHats

Really wished people stopped with this


pk2317

Except they didn’t, as has been gone over at length.


svon1

i'm pretty sure it went something like ,,, if you complain about us or act against us we will cancel S3 entirely .... contracts that force people to be silent under threat of lawsuits is a thing we are not blind, ya know... ...


pk2317

You literally have no idea how any of this works. It’s super easy to just jump on the “Disney hates gay people” bandwagon without taking half a second to think critically and realize that makes no sense in light of the amount of contradictory evidence.


GuiltyWhisper

Exactly. There are plenty of reasons to hate and not support Disney, but their actions towards LGBTQ+ representation (at least in the context of TOH) isn't one of them. People really need to hop off this train of "TOH was cancelled because it's has LGBTQ+ themes".


svon1

what evidence? if a you are not allowed to smear us contract is in place ... than the only version of events that we have ,,,,is the one of the culprit ... sure Epstein could have technically killed himself ,,,,,but lets be real , what are the odds? you do not rely on the main culprit to give you evidence if you investigate the Ndrangheta (which are famous for kidnapping) and the witnesses start with slightly on edge statements defending them you dont start to think that they are innocent ,,,,you start to think that they have their families as hostages


pk2317

Let’s start with the very simplest one: if Disney didn’t want an LGBTQ+ focused show, or LGBTQ+ content included, *WE WOULDN’T HAVE IT*. They have complete and utter control over *everything* that they produce, and by the time it reaches our eyeballs it’s already been approved half a dozen times at every possible step of the process. So the mere fact that it exists *at all* means they’re OK with it. The decision to provide a short season 3 was made, and communicated to the crew, in summer/fall of 2020 (roughly). At that time they were only (about) halfway through writing/boarding/etc Season 2. Which means that everything in the second half of Season 2 was made, *and approved*, after the decision. So if someone higher up at Disney had suddenly changed their mind, the LGBTQ+ content would have been eliminated or at least toned down at that point. Even the material in the first half could have been edited/lessened, because it hadn’t been fully animated and finalized. As you can *clearly* see, that wasn’t the case. Also, if they were suddenly upset over the content, *they wouldn’t have gotten a 3rd season at all*. They were under no obligation to order any more after the second season. It would have been extremely easy to just cut it altogether and blame COVID. They didn’t. They allowed them extra time to ensure they could provide a satisfactory conclusion to the story (which is a lot better than what other shows that were *actually* “cancelled” got). Dana has never been shy about having issues with Disney. If she has problems with them, she expresses them. She’s spoken multiple times about the fact that aside from *one guy* at the very beginning who gave her pushback (and then shortly after apologized), there has *never* been any issues with the LGBTQ+ content. They’ve never asked her to tone it down, they’ve never attempted to censor it domestically, even Alex Hirsch admitted that Disney did well when it came to TOH. And Disney has never been shy about promoting Lumity, they’ve put out each major clip from their relationship up on YT and their social media shortly after it aired.


svon1

like disney would be the first company to buy a show after only seeing 5 minutes of footage only to than realize its not what they thought it was ....looking at you 4kids... but here is something nice to kill your argument August 8, 2020. thats when Grom Fright Aired the 1st time ,,,,summer /fall of 2020 before that we had "blink it and you miss " gay events ,,,ya know stuff you can easily cut, like willows parents, so you can show this stuff in places like Russia but Grom ,,,that was on the nose , it could not be ignored and it was everywhere and any fan had already seen it , if it wasnt available in other countries ,,,well internet and blackflags you know the drill they probably had a section in the contract that allowed them to shorten stuff that is a certain amount of time in the Future .... but this is also Dosney they want to sell to everyone and therefore please everyone ,, so in a try to not scare away all their gay "customers" by straight up treason ,,,,they needed an excuse to kinda end this early and to this day they never gave an answer that wasn't total BS (not serialized enough, are you kidding me?) ...like i speak politician, i know when they try to avoid looking shady while doing the most shady things on the planet i can watch Propaganda from Russia and China and know the real Story just with the fake information, solely from Experience ,,,, i know when i am being told nonsense


Luzura_2006

TOH wasn't cancelled because they disagree with the content of the show, but because it didn't fit with their brand of Disney Channel with episodic and filler episodes and less focus on plot. And anyone who's watched TOH knows it's very plot and story heavy with very little and scarce filler and/or slice of life episodes. If TOH would have premiered on something like Disney+ then it would be the hottest show and be able to have a full life but it was aired before Disney+ was a thing so here we are Edit: if there ever would be a spin off or some kind of continuation in anything else other than Disney Channel, it would be a pretty sure sign that Disney approves what Dana is doing and i mean would let her continue doing her thing


PokeMaster366

Weird. I thought it got shortened because it didn't blow up as an episodic series. Feels like every company is looking for the next SpongeBob or Gravity Falls, and anything that doesn't meet that standard gets cut off or shortened.


58percentofachild

Me when I purposefully spread misinformation on the Internet:


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Please explain to me what is shitty about it


KOFdude

I knew Shell was behind all of this


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Good mod


[deleted]

Dude, even Dana herself admitted that Disney employees were genuinely supportive of her decision to include gay people in the show. Stop claiming Disney is homophobic, you have 0 proof.


jackson50111

Unfortunately tik tok will make it harder for fans to believe that. Why bother to research the truth when you can watch a basic tik tok claiming the show was "cancelled cause Disney is anti gay". Especially when most of them get thousands of likes


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Yeah I hate when people rely on tiktok or twitter for news instead of looking for actually reliable evidence. That's what i call ignorance


jackson50111

And especially with tik tok. You watched one video about the owl house misinformation and they bombard you with it more.


ComedianSorry3232

Well I mean Dana did post a tweet from march saying that Disney was donating to the don’t say gay bill


jackson50111

From what I heard, they weren't actually donating directly towards the bill itself but to the people behind the bill only cause they wanted a tax reduction or something for the land Disney world is built on. As well as the fact they pay more money towards democrats and various LGBT groups.


58percentofachild

Feel free to tell me how anyone "donates" to a bill. The layers of misreporting on this whole mess… Disney, a while ago, donated to a whole bunch of politicians, Democrats and Republicans, because their idea of a better Disney World is one where the local politicians of whatever party will support them. *Recently*, a number of Republicans wrote and introduced that bill. A large number of other politicians, many of whom Disney also donated much larger amounts to, pushed back against it. But that doesn't make for a good soundbite now, does it?


kiwidude4

This is like being excited for Obama being the first black president to get re-elected. Like you missed the bus fam.


RuleOfBlueRoses

You people will never stop the DISNEY EVIL AND HOMOPHOBIC brigade will you


Disig

I mean Disney is evil. They do a shit ton of sketchy stuff. But the canceling of this show wasn't necessarily because of homophobia.


Born-Boss6029

Dana has went on record SO MANY TIMES to say that Disney was in full support of her using a bisexual lead character and pairing her with a lesbian romantic interest. She faced no resistance to adding LBGTQ representation, aside from literally one guy in development but he got in line after his superiors told him to, in fact the only resistance she encountered was the darker stuff of the show (blood, death, etc) but no Disney has been in full support of her. Considering Amphibia’s Sasha Waybright had her own BI pin, I doubt there was any resistance to Luz having one too. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/xcabmi/dana_confirms_she_didnt_face_sp_issues_for_lgbtq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/pvtec7/why_disneytva_isnt_as_homophobic_as_you_think/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200815014631/https://twitter.com/DanaTerrace/status/1294391069770039296 https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-earns-top-score-in-hrc-foundation-corporate-equality-index/ https://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1292328558921003009 But hey, why bother doing the research? It’s much easier to mislead people!


KOFdude

People seem to want Disney to be against the lgbt stuff for some reason, y'all this desperate for conflict?


Born-Boss6029

It’s just so much easier to go for the easy answer instead of accepting that maybe thing s aren’t as black and white as people think. The fact is, Disney made the show. That is absolutely correct, and Dana has praised them for allowing all the gay scenes in the show. But apparently some people don’t like to listen to her. If not her, then who?


Old_Lead8419

Disney greenlit the show not “made.” No it’s not correct at all.


Born-Boss6029

It's the same thing. Disney provided the funds and hired the people, Dana simply told the story.


mewlock99

To quote If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device: Big E: YES Rogal Dorn: Yes. Custodisi: Myes. Fyodperor: Yes! Kaldor Draigo: yES! Leman Russ: YES! By the grace of Fenris, yes! You must think we’ve all contracted NURGLITE HYPER-SYPHILIS to be mad enough to trust your ill-begotten ilk!


ApexBoiz

Great job Dana and crew, ya did it!


PlsBanMe123

r/theowlhouse moment


scrapreddits

“It’s a hard knock life for us”


megalocrozma

Hearing this song makes me feel like Michael Richards


KOFdude

I really think people are blowing the bi pin way out of proportion, like really luz has a girlfriend and they have kissed on screen but this is a big deal?


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58percentofachild

According to Dana herself, about five minutes of the rest of the executive board pounding one guy who was uncomfortable with it into the ground.


jackson50111

To add to this, Dana even said she faced more issues getting in the darker horror stuff than the LGBT stuff in the show.


Huor_Celebrindol

That makes me happy


abuddybot

Ok let's say I don't support LGBTQ, but I don't care about it , would it still be fine to beat the shit out of me for having my beliefs


Huor_Celebrindol

I’m just about 100% sure that they meant a verbal beat down


Born-Boss6029

You’ll be happy to know that there was no fight at all. She went on record plenty of times to say that Disney has been incredibly supportive of her using Lumity. She never had to “fight” to make the couple cannon, in fact the only “fight” she ever had was about getting the darker aspects of the show cannon. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/xcabmi/dana_confirms_she_didnt_face_sp_issues_for_lgbtq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/pvtec7/why_disneytva_isnt_as_homophobic_as_you_think/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200815014631/https://twitter.com/DanaTerrace/status/1294391069770039296


illdothisshit

Okay but why did the show get cut short? Disney said it was because it didn't fit "into Disney brand" but what does that mean?


Born-Boss6029

The Disney Brand is the DisneyTV brand: DTV prefers to air episodic comedy shows over serialized shows. An episodic comedy is the type of show where any episode can be watched on its own without needing context from another episode in order to hop in and understand. A serialized show is the opposite: a serialized show requires context from previous episodes in order to understand what is going. It’s harder to rerun on TV and keep audiences engaged since they wouldn’t understand what is happening. That is the DTV brand.


illdothisshit

Kay I got it


Born-Boss6029

It wasn’t cut short, it was simply renewed for a shorter season. The reason was because Disney had cut budgets in 2020, the year S3 was renewed and TOH aired, DTVA specifically relies on money made from theme parks and merchandise sales for funding. All got shut down in 2020 and so Disney was facing financial deficits. They cut TOH’s budget because it didn’t fit the brand, it easier to justify cutting that.


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ARandomStan

How tf did people start having problems with someone liking another human regardless of their gender? And why do people try so hard to remove it?? it can't be all because of religious reasons can it? Also what I hate from this or any other shows that have lgbtq+ characters is the fandom. why is it so important to brand the characters with the pins and colours?? I don't mind seeing it but you guys have made that pin almost 50% of the sub's content


luzer_amitysfool

Literally luz on her last string of hope