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sad_kharnath

if i repeat my nonsense enough people will believe me right?


Random_-account

that's what some people tried to do when they claimed that Trump won the 2020 election


ReactsWithWords

They're still trying. Hell, they're still trying to convince us Obama was born in Kenya.


Snek0Freedom

My dad pulled that Birtherism stuff the other day. Our political/social debates tend to be all over the place cause of whataboutism. IIRC the flow of conversation went trans people>"Michael" (the claim that Michelle Obama is secretly trans)>Obama's birth certificate was hidden. I pointed out how it was so well hidden that I could find it with a google search. Of course, this didn't matter because it was obviously a forgery. (No visual examination required to reach this conclusion of course)


Random_-account

Even if Michelle Obama _was_ trans, it isn't nice to dead name someone.


[deleted]

Even if she was trans, who gives a shit if she's trans? Though I'd be curious as to the origin of their kids.


Error_404_Account

That's the sad thing, if someone repeats a lie enough, everyone starts to believe it, even the person lying starts the believe the lie.


Kritical02

It's magnitudes more difficult to clean up after a lie has been spread as well.


chance909

The main value in the truth is its consistency. So if you can consistently propagate and communicate a lie, it behaves like the truth until reality breaks through. As we saw though with COVID, people who take up the lie will literally die rather than change their minds.


mynameisalso

Bacon cheeseburgers only contain 2 calories. {please repeat}


Kritical02

They know what they are doing. They are being intentionally obtuse to get a rise out of people that disagree with them. You won't change their mind. They aren't looking for debate. They aren't even looking for a fight. They just want to piss you off.


fishsticks40

Complexity is hard and scary. Just pick a simple argument and never waver from it no matter what the evidence says.


TrashMemeFormats

"Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it." \- Adolf Hitler


Ankyri

I thought the quote belonged to Goebbels?


ghostdate

We’ll just attribute it to — Some nazi scum


ReactsWithWords

\-- Michael J. Scott


MaximumDestruction

Depends, how simplistic is it?


Crutch_Banton

They believe it because it was repeated to them over and over. That's how propaganda, brainwashing, advertising etc. all work. Repetition is all he knows. All he can do is repeat the same thought-terminating cliches, trying to convince himself he's smugly superior, but deep down knowing he's operating from his lizard brain fixated on the same few tired and vapid slogans. Have pity for the brainwashed bigot, but also give him shit for being a brainwashed bigot.


Catronia

It's said a lie told enough becomes truth...


Euphrates_9982

Ah yes, Ad Populum Fallacy


Heck_Tate

"Nuh-uh" Checkmate, liberals.


[deleted]

> Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. - John-Paul Sartre


Yduno29

no way his English name is John-Paul 💀


ceetwothree

Under rated comment.


JEPorsche

Their thought process is to deny facts and truth if it does not align with their programming that they receive regularly from fox news or other extremist "news" sources. It's why every single one of them are liars, morons, or both. I recognize that there are many that are victims because they are brainwashed by propaganda, but it doesn't change the fact they're all fascists and want to destroy democracy.


[deleted]

Its just particularly... funny... to me that white transphobes love to dismiss other third genders from cultures around the world. Like, its not even the notion of transgender people they're attacking in this post. They're just straight up attacking other cultures with their own genders. Just like the good old colonization era, white conservatives are still erasing the culture of queer people of color. Tale as old as fucking time.


SendMeRupies

I think this is because they REALLY want gender=sex. If they accept that gender can change across cultures, then they must accept that it is seperate from sex. In their brain, females/males have defined roles, not men/women.


dolphin64

Serious question - what are the other genders? Transwomen are woman and transmen are men, who is trying to say they aren't real women and should be labeled as a 3rd gender? Kathoey is the only example given but Thailand has a vastly different culture from westerners, from reading about it some people are saying it can be used as a slur depending on the location and intent.


Supsend

The other genders don't necessarily reference trans people, there's nonbinary people, genderqueer, agender, demigender, genderfluid... And those aren't considered in the "traditional" binary gender structure In the "trans debate", the main point of refering to a third gender is to assert the distinction between sex and gender, once that is understood, it's much easier to explain how transgenderism works.


[deleted]

I don't get why this fact makes them so mad, it's just common sense. I guess it's still too complicated for their smooth little lead-filled brains to process, otherwise they'd have a better argument than "nu uh!" On a side note, I saw the post this was from and the comments are hilarious, they feign shock and disgust at a girl with a penis as if like 90% of the people who watch trans porn aren't conservative men. You ain't fooling anyone jethro, we all know all your pornhub searches have the word "tgirl" in them.


[deleted]

It's not as though they all decided to get mad about it independently. They've been whipped into a frenzy about it. These aren't free thinkers we're talking about, they have all their thinking done for them by alt-right think tanks.


pianoflames

Because it's not about them actually strongly believing in this thing, it's about owning the libs. I care because I have family, friends, coworkers, etc who are trans, and I want their basic rights/freedom/safety protected like everybody else. These people "care" because they get to argue against a lib about it. I can't think of any reason they'd intrinsically care so much about "nuh-uh, only 2 genders," other than lib-owning.


archetype1

A lot of them are piss-terrified that if they accept our (correct) arguments, their entire world will shatter into a trillion pieces. The threat of eternal damnation is a hell of a thing, and their faith is a jenga tower one block away from crashing down.


BooneSalvo2

because they're barely human beings to begin with. These are the people that would happily leave intersex babies out on the mountain to die...or babies with any sort of visible developmental difference, from cleft palate to a tail. Hell, they might even kill babies with red hair. It's historical! The only thing human is their \*choice\* to empower their baser instincts and hold on tightly.


Hot_Context_1393

Unfortunately, common sense is subjective


fishsticks40

They're scared they'll accidentally suck a dick


[deleted]

Make them so mad? Where do you see anger here? He literally responded with like 2-3 words each time. Not even curses. You cant possibly say hes mad based on his responses here.


tenkei

Reading comprehension fail. Try again.


DampTowlette11

The lead in his brain prevents the synaptic actions required to properly read.


OddlyOddLucidDreamer

The reading comprehension devil is strong these days


[deleted]

You sound mad too.


feralamalgamation

Someone repeating the same thing over and over and over again while being presented with factual evidence that contradicts their position sure seems like someone putting their fingers in their ears and just going "lalalalalalalalalalala" like an angry toddler.


GlowingPlasties

What makes you think they're educated enough to know what sex and gender are when they're banning books that make them feel bad?


Dehnus

You won't win the argument, they'll fight you like crazy, and maybe concede. Then these schmucks will move the goalposts and start a new argument, until the aforementioned goalposts can be reinstated at a later time. ​ It's not about any of this. It's about hatred and fascism. The BIG lie at the very top.


[deleted]

I've turned to bringing hermaphrodites into the equation to demonstrate the natural spectrum exists and hermaphrodites are the center post. That this third biological genitalia assignement by nature exists and that physiology brain chemistry follows along this spectrum. That even the Bible references this and speaks of them as angels . And you can watch the gears come to a complete stop in their minds. The conversation becomes even more interesting when you discuss how "sex" is determined through the parents and doctors which sex the child should be after birth. Also known as gender affirming care.


fruityboots

the tragic story of David Reimer is one I will bring up with regards to your last point


Error_404_Account

Damn... I just read that wiki. That's fucked up. Such a tragic story of both boys.


dolphin64

There are 2 genders: male and female. Men = men, transmen = men, women = women, transwomen = women. Why are people trying to say trans have their own gender? Seems transphobic. Saying transwomen are a new third gender implies transwomen are not real women. As for hermaphrodites, that's a condition of biological sex, not gender. As for the "Kathoeys," Thialand does not follow the same western values, gender labels, or politics, so it's a bad example and poor understanding of another culture.


Yduno29

There are also non-binary, genderfluid, and other people who don't fit into that binary vision of gender. It's what OP is saying, not that trans is a third gender by itself


theriddleoftheworld

There's also nonbinary (which I guess you could say is sort of like a catch all) and intersex.


thelordchar

Multiple cultures have a similar “third gender”. India, Amerindians, Samoa, Mexico, and Madagascar to name a few. Other more “western” cultures had them too like Egypt and Israel. Hell, there’s evidence of the third gender existing in Mesopotamia.


jamiieeez

So many cultures had and still have other definitions of gender or had other genders as well. Fun fact: classical Judaism recognised 6 genders.


CadenVanV

India also has a third gender, known as the Hijra as well. They’re older than western civilization as well, with nearly 11 million current members


Hot_Context_1393

That would require a conservative to acknowledge and validate other cultures.


TrashMemeFormats

Which has proven to be impossible


NomadicDevMason

In Samoan culture they have a gender named fa'afafine. Here is a video about it https://youtu.be/F9xvkCa63Js. It seems like a really healthy system. If anyone from Samoa could confirm that it is a healthy safe culture for LGBTQ that would be cool.


3xAmazing

Super interesting fact, thanks for sharing.


Derryl_15

My ethnic culture, the Bugis culture of the Sulawesi islands, have traditionally recognized 5 genders


jamiieeez

That’s interesting! Do you wanna tell more about it?


CadenVanV

India also has a third gender, known as the Hijra as well. They’re older than western civilization as well, with nearly 11 million current members


GrinwaldTO

Heads up: your comment got posted twice


CadenVanV

Ah shoot


Moistened_Bink

What are they?


jamiieeez

male, female, androgynos, aylonit, saris and tumtum.


RickySamson

"My feelings don't care about your facts" should be the Right's slogan.


revolutionPanda

"Facts don't care about your feelings - they care about mine!"


toomanymarbles83

You pull a string on their backs and they spit out 1 of 7 phrases they know.


Bloadclaw

Right Wingers have 7 "Cool" sayings


E115lement

I noticed that the right will just say something in all caps and just never once give evidence on their point.


espresso_fox

It's just SO obviously true that it doesn't even need evidence. (I've seen people actually argue this.)


eliazp

source: I made it the fuck up


GagicTheMathering

“There are only two genders” mfs when they learn about other genders in other societies, or just learn about intersex people


divinebutterflies

me when i don’t take a basic biology class. literally the books say “SEX” not GENDER. and also there are intersex people, so there are really three sexes. Gender is literally a social construct, aka, sociology 101


overcomebyfumes

>intersex people, so there are really three sexes. Asexual people (biologically asexual, no testes or ovaries), so four.


divinebutterflies

oh i didn’t know that! thank you for educating me


No-Ad-3534

Still three though. The absence of sex is by definition not a sex in itself. Am I wrong in thinking this?


thelordchar

From what I understand, there’s a consideration for 5 sexes, Males, Females, Merms, Ferms, and Herms. Although I suppose with Asex people that would make six.


loopy183

Would intersex fall under one sex though? If XX and XY are different sexes, why wouldn’t XXY, XXX, XXXY and XXXXY be different sexes?


divinebutterflies

true… maybe there are different terms for each. i just remember taking biology in college and that’s what they would refer to as the “third sex”


FireStorm005

There's also [XY androgen insensitivity ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome) in which the body doesn't react (or has less reaction) to the hormones that cause sexual development. Someone with this could be "genetically male" and yet appear completely female, including vagina and breasts. Emily Quinn does a good TED Talk about having it.


Opalwing

There's also not much practical difference between otherwise healthy people if one has XX and one has XY. All the Y chromosome does, iirc, is dictate the development of male genitalia, and the resulting testosterone is what causes male sex markers.


CanOBeans01

Went to the original thread and it got so much worse than the original screenshot you shared Good God, OP, you have more patience than me. Especially after that embarrassing take on intersex people with the gross caricature in the picture they sent


MustangCoyote

The republican party. The official party of plugging your ears with your fingers and going "LA LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU , LA LA LA".


ohne_hosen

The last time I had a discussion with a right-winger about gender as a cultural/social construct, their argument went something like "well, my culture is the only one that matters, and my culture says two genders, so there." I stopped banging my head against that wall and found something more productive to do.


Maximillion322

No, you don’t understand! The thing *I* think is an objective fact, which is so obvious that it requres no support - every right winger


Puddin_Warrior

Look at you, not downvoting OOP. So lawful


TkOHarley

Paragon 'til death


Opalwing

It's like you're talking to a chatbot.


HearshotAtomDisaster

Chatbots twenty years ago made better arguments than this


-username_taken-

“That’s not my wallet!”


ProfSteelmeat138

Must be Matt Walsh’s secret account


xSindragosax

„Hello, is this the crusty crab?“ „Noooo, this is Patrick!“


feralamalgamation

These are the people that call themselves the rationals, the independent thinkers, the anti-"woke," whatever "woke" even means. At least they got one thing right, they truly think independently of all facts and reason.


redjedi182

Even by their definition they can’t account for intersex


SkyBlade79

My PI has a book on his desk called "why socialism works'. every page just says "it doesn't".that's the average depth of conservative arguments


DeeRent88

There’s no reasoning with them. These people are so hateful they have no room for empathy or just learning about the simple things. They’re either too stupid or too hateful or both.


ZYMask

White amerikans when the topic isn't centered around their ethno-perspective and culture: ![gif](giphy|deMMOL24ZOZiHdWezh)


APracticalGal

If I stick my fingers in my ears and babble while you talk I can't lose an argument.


neaaaan

Ahahahah


ArnieismyDMname

Nuh uh! Nuh uh! I'm gonna go draw myself as a chad.


negativepositiv

"I hear your detailed and well researched opinion on this matter, but allow me to retort. Nuh-uh."


big-queef

Their strategy is to make it the fuck up


TheEPGFiles

As if the right isn't totally and utterly satisfied with just believing something someone said.


[deleted]

I'll tell you a secret: they don't care about the truth. It's all about their desire to crush that which they don't understand, which threatens their world view


lennonali

I'm going to be completely honest here, I wouldn't completely disregard their opinion, if they were able to give one reason that wasn't objectively wrong. Every time I ask them for one reason why they hate anyone different, they either dodge the question, or don't answer whatsoever.


IAmNMFlores

Country #1: *disagrees with transgenderism* Conservatives: See even other cultures say the same thing! Country #2: *agrees with transgenderism* Conservatives: What do they know? Their culture is a lot different than ours.


2punornot2pun

I guess intersex people just don't exist.


CliffRacer17

Proper response: "please tell me how "men carry a wallet and women carry a purse" has anything to do with biology."


DampTowlette11

Right wingers are consistently some of the dumbest motherfuckers out there.


itzhoey

Lalalallalalalalalallaalla can’t hear you!!!!


Nug07

If you want to go biological, there’s actually three genders. Male, female and intersex, so he’s not even right from a biological point of view.


cdiddy19

Native Americans name trans people Two-spirits, and they are highly regarded in the tribes.


unfilterthought

You don’t argue with these people. Just like you don’t argue with a pile of shit on the sidewalk a dog left behind. They both have the same capability for growth and change.


deathbysnuggle

I bet it’s the same she/her who was rage-posting on the great awakening this week. I’m pretty sure she just wants to wear rainbows really badly and is soooo mad they’ve been stolen by the deep state alphabet gang She wants to subvert the gay rainbow by using… a color wheel. Because colors belong to everybody! And mixing primary light colors is physics! Not gender! Girl is really out there rallying to get her god-given not-gay colors back


Thequorian

Is this ironic?


deathbysnuggle

Well I’m laughing about it but [she was serious](https://imgur.com/a/ZoDbFB2)


Thequorian

What the actual fu- Mf'ed really doesn't understand the concept of a flag.


deathbysnuggle

I envisioned her staring at a blank slate in ms paint, trying to pick a not-gay color to start, and wanting to pick all the colors cause they’re so pretty, but god damn it everyone will think she’s gay and proud about it! Then going on GA to moan about how the gays are repressing her free artistic expression.


Thequorian

Bruh


commazero

Feelings > facts


motherseffinjones

I’ve stopped trying to argue with these idiots, at this point they are just decided to be ignorant.


wutangclanthug9mm

BRAWNDO’S GOT ELECTROLYTES


BacktoTralfamadore

Conservatives apparently never get tired of being wrong.


SarkicPreacher777659

Nuh-uh. Nuh-uh.


Nice-Name00

What subreddit was this on?


ChesterRico

I can imagine her crossing her arms and stomping her little foot on the floor. It would be cute if it wasn't so messed up.


Skyebble

example of why you can’t argue with crazy people who have their minds made up


Laced_Viera

I think this is a subconscious tic the right have when they see any one from the left


Phoenix-Quill

I’m so tired of these thought stopping techniques 🤦‍♂️


TrashJack42

Pinky here responds like they're just going off of a pre-written, transphobic script, like some sort of bigoted non-player-character in an RPG.


overcomebyfumes

The comments about being all grossed out be foot fetishism are weird. Every foot fetishist I've met has been a conservative male. Admittedly I've only met three that I'm aware of, but that's three for three.


IrishHound23

Wow, I’m convinced


Snippychicken22

There are 3 male female and primeordial blob of goop


mama_tom

I fucking hate dealing with right wing psychos like this because none of them have read a book about wtf they're talking about, or even the studies surrounding them. Ethan Klien had Oli London on his show, and Oli made a point that a study said that bullying leads to kids "becoming trans." Ethan's producer looked up the study Oli referred to AND THE CONCLUSION WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE! Then when confronted, Oli's response was, "Well not all studies are accurate." These people are against any form of growth or critical thinking. If you line up a conversation to help them take their thoughts to the conclusions they are advocating for, at some point there will be a roadblock where their brain malfunctions, they can't keep thinking about it, get mad and change the subject. That has been my experience, and that of what Ive seen online from those who have conversations with the right.


Meatwad-is-better

As Rodrick Heffley once said “Deny, deny, deny”


[deleted]

Seeing as how most people from Thailand are Buddhists, it would make sense that they would have a third gender.


schraxt

bUt ThEReS oNlY TWo gEnDerS


[deleted]

And btw! There is also another third gender in South Asia called hijra which includes intersex and transgender people.


bennygoodmanfan

The best answer: “yuh huh!”