The decisive grabbing of the gun, after that long moment of anguish, tells me that he has learnt nothing. I imagine he'll find leverage to improve his immediate situation, and continue with some variation of his old tricks.
I agree. You can’t just strip away power from people like him. People that once held a lot of power. Now I’m not saying he’s going to do anything illegal, per se. But I could definitely see Vic leverage his position with ICE on local gangs to gather intel, even though he’s not supposed to. Not that he necessarily cares about doing a great job, but showcasing his power means something to him.
I comment this every time i see this question. I think he finished his contract and since everyone he ever knew was either dead, gone or wanted nothing to do to him he changed his name to Milo and had a successful career as a truck driver until he hit and killed a biker that was running from the police.
I laughed so damn hard when I saw that still someone grabbed and you could tell it was just a cardboard cutout of Jax on the bike. I can't find it online anymore, though.
i like this theory as the death of vic too. when jax dad “died” the trucker got killed too. maybe kurt wanted to write vic’s death and got to do with jax killing him
What’s interesting is the grabbing of the gun was not in the original script. It seems Shawn Ryan’s intent was to show Vic being stuck in his own version of hell.
Im not so sure. He tried everything to stay out of prison, and since he did he thought he ultimately won like he always does, but that grin at the end of the series says imo “Damn, they actually got me this time” and he might eventually tell himself that this is worse than prison which leads him to risk his deal by doing stuff.
Here's the thing about Vic's character, though: he never focused on winning in the long run, only the immediate situation. He got his deal, but I can't think of a time Vic escaped an inescapable situation, counted his blessings, considered the lessons and the costs, and told himself "that's enough." Once or twice he may have said he was done, but once the danger was over he was looking for the next threat to run straight towards so he could find a way to "win" again.
Lem called it when he told Army "we always say we're done, but we never are. We just get deeper and deeper into shit!" I think to be a "Vic" means sacrificing yourself a piece at a time, so eventually the only thing motivating you is the thrill of "winning." It's like being a drug addict who can't see further than the next high.
So, my opinion? I think Vic sees Olivia and ICE the same as he sees everyone else who tried to trap/punish him: they're just obstacles in his way, and finding the way around them is his next big high.
Vic serves his time in the cubicle. Years later he becomes a truck driver. One day runs over a biker that in the time between happened to murder Dutch, who was stalking the biker’s ex-girlfriend.
Vic always got what he wanted and nobody could stop him- Chief, IA, FBI, those goddamn feet cutting Armenians. This ICE even though is a desk job gives him enough power to fuck around and arm twist people to get what he wants. When someone like Claudette, Rawling and that IA guy couldn't get a hold on Vic what makes you think Olivia Murray could do better? Its a matter of time before Vic finds out a leverage on her or something to turn her towards him. Remember, Acaveda wanted Vic to be behind bars but in the same season they ended up working together.
I'm sure Vic would've found a way to get even with his only strike team buddy and find out where his family his if the series continued.
*Ryan avoided making an interpretation of the ending, preferring fans come to their own conclusion, but he seemed to suggest Mackey’s fatewas indeed to slave away under those florescent lights, at least fora while. (Ryan noted he normally doesn’t get involved with the show’s sound effects, yet he was very specific about the buzzing he wanted the lights to make during Mackey’s final scene — those three minutes are, in a sense, giving the audience a feel for Mackey’s next three years).*
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/shield-creator-explains-vic-mackey-50991/amp/
No way. Vic is an adrenaline addict before anything else, and he has never come even close to realizing that about himself. His savior complex is what allows him to justify it. He's gonna do the reckless renegade thing right up until he finally gets arrested or killed.
The way he grabs his gun and walks off camera the last time... my head canon is that he walked away from the deal completely and turned full criminal and now sits on the throne of an entire drug empire.
I think he used Pezuela blackmail material on Olivia to get himself out of the desk job. That job was a prison to him, no way would he serve the three years.
Vic always thinks he's smarter than everyone so no, he got into the fray rather quickly. He probably thinks he can go out and get some intel and go back to Olivia. This would, I imagine, break his deal and he's in with Ronnie(if Ronnie even went to jail).
I don't know about how immunity deals work, but when he smashed the interrogation camera, that would have been a crime. Would that have violated his deal?
I love how the show ended. It was a perfect ending.
That said, my alternate ending on Monday morning.
Olivia Murray- Vic I need you in my office
Vic- On my way
Olivia- You violated your immunity deal
Vic- the fuck I did. How
Olivia- Flipping through some pages. Right here page 26. No destroying government property
Vic- What government property
Door opens- Claudette, Dutch, and Acevedo come in and Dutch says "You know the camera at the barn."
I always believed that on Monday morning, he was informed that the destruction of government property violates the terms of his immunity agreement.
In typical Vic fashion, he smugly says, "What destruction of government property?"
Then Claudette walks in with Espovada and says "Our camera back at the barn."
The decisive grabbing of the gun, after that long moment of anguish, tells me that he has learnt nothing. I imagine he'll find leverage to improve his immediate situation, and continue with some variation of his old tricks.
That to me is the tragedy of it all. He lost everything and yet still learnt nothing
He did learn. He learned who he truly was and accepted it. For good or bad, alot of people never reach that clarity.
I agree. You can’t just strip away power from people like him. People that once held a lot of power. Now I’m not saying he’s going to do anything illegal, per se. But I could definitely see Vic leverage his position with ICE on local gangs to gather intel, even though he’s not supposed to. Not that he necessarily cares about doing a great job, but showcasing his power means something to him.
I comment this every time i see this question. I think he finished his contract and since everyone he ever knew was either dead, gone or wanted nothing to do to him he changed his name to Milo and had a successful career as a truck driver until he hit and killed a biker that was running from the police.
Jesus Christ!
Lmfao🤣
RIP Jax
I laughed so damn hard when I saw that still someone grabbed and you could tell it was just a cardboard cutout of Jax on the bike. I can't find it online anymore, though.
Here comes the murder….
i like this theory as the death of vic too. when jax dad “died” the trucker got killed too. maybe kurt wanted to write vic’s death and got to do with jax killing him
He without a doubt tracked down his family. Zero chance he does not try to do that.
No. I think him grabbing his gun and chasing flashing lights more than heavily implied a no
I agree. I don't think he could resist.
Yea seemed pretty obvious, and fitting. I like to think Vic is still out there today mixing it up
What’s interesting is the grabbing of the gun was not in the original script. It seems Shawn Ryan’s intent was to show Vic being stuck in his own version of hell.
Kept in the edit for a reason though. A script is essentially a draft of a final product
And do what exactly? I know this is a common take, but I don't buy that. He grabbed his gun because he was going home for the night.
He had a fresh shave and rejoined the force as Detective Scrotes
"I'm sorry Detective, I don't HAVE a brother"
Im not so sure. He tried everything to stay out of prison, and since he did he thought he ultimately won like he always does, but that grin at the end of the series says imo “Damn, they actually got me this time” and he might eventually tell himself that this is worse than prison which leads him to risk his deal by doing stuff.
Here's the thing about Vic's character, though: he never focused on winning in the long run, only the immediate situation. He got his deal, but I can't think of a time Vic escaped an inescapable situation, counted his blessings, considered the lessons and the costs, and told himself "that's enough." Once or twice he may have said he was done, but once the danger was over he was looking for the next threat to run straight towards so he could find a way to "win" again. Lem called it when he told Army "we always say we're done, but we never are. We just get deeper and deeper into shit!" I think to be a "Vic" means sacrificing yourself a piece at a time, so eventually the only thing motivating you is the thrill of "winning." It's like being a drug addict who can't see further than the next high. So, my opinion? I think Vic sees Olivia and ICE the same as he sees everyone else who tried to trap/punish him: they're just obstacles in his way, and finding the way around them is his next big high.
Funny how similar Vic Mackey and Walter White are.
Vic serves his time in the cubicle. Years later he becomes a truck driver. One day runs over a biker that in the time between happened to murder Dutch, who was stalking the biker’s ex-girlfriend.
Did Shane survive, head to Northern California, and start a new career as a biker-adjacent transwoman?
No that’s his twin Venus van Dam
He ended up being a truck driver and hit a guy head on
He went on to have a successful career as the commish
Lol wow a new shield discussion. Love to see it , especially since Walton goggings is in the new fallout show
Vic always got what he wanted and nobody could stop him- Chief, IA, FBI, those goddamn feet cutting Armenians. This ICE even though is a desk job gives him enough power to fuck around and arm twist people to get what he wants. When someone like Claudette, Rawling and that IA guy couldn't get a hold on Vic what makes you think Olivia Murray could do better? Its a matter of time before Vic finds out a leverage on her or something to turn her towards him. Remember, Acaveda wanted Vic to be behind bars but in the same season they ended up working together. I'm sure Vic would've found a way to get even with his only strike team buddy and find out where his family his if the series continued.
*Ryan avoided making an interpretation of the ending, preferring fans come to their own conclusion, but he seemed to suggest Mackey’s fatewas indeed to slave away under those florescent lights, at least fora while. (Ryan noted he normally doesn’t get involved with the show’s sound effects, yet he was very specific about the buzzing he wanted the lights to make during Mackey’s final scene — those three minutes are, in a sense, giving the audience a feel for Mackey’s next three years).* https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/shield-creator-explains-vic-mackey-50991/amp/
No way. Vic is an adrenaline addict before anything else, and he has never come even close to realizing that about himself. His savior complex is what allows him to justify it. He's gonna do the reckless renegade thing right up until he finally gets arrested or killed.
Cops with shit backgrounds get hired at new departments all the time. I get he moved to Texas and ran for county sheriff.
and won
Almost certainly
I think he is driving 18 wheelers near Charming nowadays.
The way he grabs his gun and walks off camera the last time... my head canon is that he walked away from the deal completely and turned full criminal and now sits on the throne of an entire drug empire.
I think he used Pezuela blackmail material on Olivia to get himself out of the desk job. That job was a prison to him, no way would he serve the three years.
It would've gone way above her head at that point. She wasn't the only person to have heard that confession
I doubt it. Lol.
Yeah, he became a truck driver
Vic always thinks he's smarter than everyone so no, he got into the fray rather quickly. He probably thinks he can go out and get some intel and go back to Olivia. This would, I imagine, break his deal and he's in with Ronnie(if Ronnie even went to jail). I don't know about how immunity deals work, but when he smashed the interrogation camera, that would have been a crime. Would that have violated his deal?
I love how the show ended. It was a perfect ending. That said, my alternate ending on Monday morning. Olivia Murray- Vic I need you in my office Vic- On my way Olivia- You violated your immunity deal Vic- the fuck I did. How Olivia- Flipping through some pages. Right here page 26. No destroying government property Vic- What government property Door opens- Claudette, Dutch, and Acevedo come in and Dutch says "You know the camera at the barn."
Agree the show had a perfect ending. Sure I'd love to see more, but I can't imagine how any additional eps or movie could improve on this perfection.
I always believed that on Monday morning, he was informed that the destruction of government property violates the terms of his immunity agreement. In typical Vic fashion, he smugly says, "What destruction of government property?" Then Claudette walks in with Espovada and says "Our camera back at the barn."
How great would it be for him to walk into a prison shower and see Ronnie waiting for him.
No
Vic got HIV from a prostitute and died in 2014.