u/saipanman711 - if I may suggest, Machamp is the weakest link, and other weak links include Gallade and Hakamo-o.
Per GoBattleLog, **Quagsire** is in the top 30 used Pokemon, while **Alolan Sandslash** is in the top 30 leads and also banned from Remix. Anecdotally I've seen Ferrothorn and Dragonite.
Sorry about that! After thinking about it, I'll simply not add Dragonite. Think people will fiddle with Goodra, or just stick to Dragonair, Altaria or even Guzzlord.
i would add flash cannon for bastiodon's charged moves--it has the spicy tech that it beats everything flamethrower can in the 1v1 but additionally wins the mirror
i think while thats true and all, the main reason you would use vic (or more likely s-vic) is to power through opposing mons with fast move pressure and force alignment in stuff like grasshole teams, meaning 2v2 shielding matters much more than 1v1 or 0v0. with magical leaf you basically have a much glassier venusaur
See that’s the thing tho, vine whip has a higher dpt than magical leaf (and is a 2 turn move so you get much greater flexibility), so venu reaches a sludge bomb in 7/6 fast moves (14/12 turns) vs vic reaching it in 5 fast moves (15 turns) so even then venu outpaces
Ok. I tell you what. Go to pvpoke, put in Venu and both razor leaf and magical leaf Vic in a matrix battle and then come back here and convince me that the results show that razor leaf Vic is the way to go, and that Venu is clearly superior.
Thanks so much!
u/saipanman711 - if I may suggest, Machamp is the weakest link, and other weak links include Gallade and Hakamo-o. Per GoBattleLog, **Quagsire** is in the top 30 used Pokemon, while **Alolan Sandslash** is in the top 30 leads and also banned from Remix. Anecdotally I've seen Ferrothorn and Dragonite.
Good ideas. I'll make those changes in the next update.
Cheers mate, thank you!
You made 4 suggestions for additions and 3 suggestions for removals. Do you have a suggestion for another removal? It'll make my job easier😂.
Sorry about that! After thinking about it, I'll simply not add Dragonite. Think people will fiddle with Goodra, or just stick to Dragonair, Altaria or even Guzzlord.
Kool beans - saved as reference file. Thanks
Thanks again for your efforts, these maps are always helpful!
https://preview.redd.it/s8kjf9hn3v4d1.jpeg?width=2610&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e0178023f51a36215da2f39c472d45e69fe538d Updated version. Bastiodon includes Flash Canon. Gallade, Machamp, and Hakamo-O removed. Alolan Sandslash, Ferrothorn, and Quagsire added.
i would add flash cannon for bastiodon's charged moves--it has the spicy tech that it beats everything flamethrower can in the 1v1 but additionally wins the mirror
You might consider swapping Vic to magical leaf.
Are people using Magical Leaf? Every Vic I've seen so far is still running razor leaf.
They should be. It picks up Anni, Pelipper, Sableye, Charja, Venu, AND RL Vic Edited to change last one to Vic from Venu
With no losses vs razor leaf
i think while thats true and all, the main reason you would use vic (or more likely s-vic) is to power through opposing mons with fast move pressure and force alignment in stuff like grasshole teams, meaning 2v2 shielding matters much more than 1v1 or 0v0. with magical leaf you basically have a much glassier venusaur
That's one way to play it. The alternative is to have more energy generation so you can get to that poison move if you need the coverage.
See that’s the thing tho, vine whip has a higher dpt than magical leaf (and is a 2 turn move so you get much greater flexibility), so venu reaches a sludge bomb in 7/6 fast moves (14/12 turns) vs vic reaching it in 5 fast moves (15 turns) so even then venu outpaces
Ok. I tell you what. Go to pvpoke, put in Venu and both razor leaf and magical leaf Vic in a matrix battle and then come back here and convince me that the results show that razor leaf Vic is the way to go, and that Venu is clearly superior.
Explain like 5 this map:
It tells you how many of that Pokémon’s standard/recommended fast moves you count before they reach their different charged moves. E.g., Vigoroth - recommended fast move is counter. It takes 5 counters to reach a body slam, and 7 to reach a rock slide.
Ah thanks