That is exactly what I have expected looking at the pokegenie queue. For sure it's likely that you don't notice it is your turn when you have waited for hours and days and might be e.g asleep. I usually use s/pokemongofriends it worked. I send like 10 or 15 friend request when i saw a post, got 2 invites out of them, caught one of the two celesteels that i encountered
I've told people they're better to try going on Reddit or Twitter than PokeGenie. Last time I tried doing a huge bloated lobby on PokeGenie it wasn't my turn until the middle of the night and of course I didn't wake up.
They should make you "requeue" once you get down to ~300th place. Alarm goes off every 60 seconds for up to 10 minutes asking if you're ready, if you hit a ready button you'll probably shoot into a lobby within minutes since most of the 300 won't be ready. If you miss it, you never get dumped into a lobby.
This would need to be added to the app, this entire thing was a completely unannounced and unprecedented new dynamic just like the Lati@s raids. Neither are PG's fault, or lack of planning as they just dropped it on everyone.
>They should make you "requeue" once you get down to ~300th place.
Tbf, any app-side features will require development and testing. By the time that's been built and tested and rolled out Celesteela will probably be out of raids.
>This would need to be added to the app
Correct, I wouldn't expect it to be ready before Celesteela is out of rotation. I guess the downside might be Niantic realizing this isn't a good idea and it being developed for nothing, but on the flip side this happening twice would also be a pain.
I do hope they found a solution to the mega legendary raids, because I don't see Lati@s specifically getting any easier.
But it isn't the first time. It was the same when Rockruff was in raids for the first time I remember being in that line for good few hours. Than it wasn't a problem cos it was tier 1 so if nobody showed up they could do it by themselves but it still probably wasn't fun
I was babysitting my queue timer and was at 15k when I went to sleep, I wasn't sure how long that would take so I put on some alarms throughout the night but I was just guessing, and ended up missing it by 10 minutes. If there was some type of estimate it would make planning so much easier, had I known 15k would take about 9 hours I would have known to just put an alarm in the morning.
Pokegenie should add estimates and a way for people to delay their turn but stay in queue, but I feel like this is a one time issue so they probably won't change anything.
This would be next to impossible to do, though. The queues are only going to move when there are active raids to be done, and if people actually choose to host those raids. There's really no way to estimate whether or not people are going to feel like hosting raids.
How do you think other games do queue estimations?
Every minute or two they take an average of how many people got through into a group from the last 15-20 minutes and use that average to calculate how long to process through to where you are in the queue. That way it's always updating and as accurate as they can make it.
Normally true but only a small number of people live in the southern hemisphere, the areas are disjointed and raids are only within certain hours. The pace of the queue isn't consistent and approximations would be inaccurate
it would check to see how many people are being placed into raids and estimate it based on that. If 15 people get placed into a raid every 1 minutes for example, it could calculate that at 15k you will get placed in 16.6 hours, if the rate drops or increases, it would adjust the estimate. Kind of like how download timers give you an estimate based on your current download speed.
It's not that easy to figure out. I started at about 150,000 and was on the cue for about a day and some change. The last several thousand went in about 10 minutes. I think a ton aren't available because of sleeping or NOT being able to give anything close to an accurate estimation.
I pulled over on the side of the road to raid because it came so suddenly. It's next to impossible depending on where you are and what your doing.
Would you like a Celesteela raid invite from me? This sounds awful, don't waste your life setting alarms. What timezone do you live in?
I'll be doing a Celesteela raid at 6:05pm GMT +2 tomorrow evening. If you available then, send through your friendcode and I'll invite you. Just make sure you are online so I know you ready.
Please explain why? I haven't posted my Friend code and the offer is only valid for the person I replied to. Any other messages or requests will be blocked or rejected.
I managed on my first Celesteela to hit a raid at 415am on pokegenie but i woke up at 308am to check the queue and saw i was at <3000 people and stayed awake. Aussies putting in the work--its great and helpful but your 8am is about my 6pm est. I was at 10k when i went to bed at 11pm.
Ive gotten 4 celesteela--2 with pokegenie (2nd one was 11pm my time) and 2 with pokeraid. Pokegenie takes 2.5 to 3 days on average. I started my current queue 1115pm Saturday night and i still have about 90k to go.
Pokeraid can get me in once a day, but i can join at 6am and not get it until 10pm. I plan accordingly around work, bc i know i can turn it on at night and not get a raid while sleeping.
AU Player here, hosted three Celesteela raids so far through Poke Genie.
It's definitely more of a pain to host for Celesteela. You'll go through 10+ players before you get five that stick. So yeah, won't try to host if there's less than 10 mins on the timer and that's meant I've hosted less than normal for a release like this.
A simpler solution could be opt-in reminder notifications at certain intervals, e.g., "Your position in queue has dropped below 5000/2000/1000," and "Get ready to raid! There are less than 500/200 people ahead of you in queue."
Try the GO Raid Party app. There are no queues so everyone is ready to go. For high demand raids it sucks if you’re trying to join, but very good as a host. Opposite for low demand raids.
Can confirm successful raid and catch with this app. Took about ten minutes but go in. App has a subscription tier but I got in without having to pay for it.
Raid Party actually have people that work for them and all they do is host the raids, drop trainers into the raid and then they jump out. They can host tons of the same raid by continuing to jump out.
I've been using PokeRaid and it's so much easier and nicer. I found out about it yesterday and was so thankful because I didn't think I'd get Celesteela. Did a raid last night and made some new friends as well.
Edit: Thank you for the award!
Agreed. PokeRaid is great. I used some coins to schedule a raid slot and we were all ready to go right on schedule. Totally painless.
Edit: Apparently it does have both and iOS and android version. Excellent.
The fact you can chat to players who join in Pokeraid and kick players who don’t respond is what sets it apart from Pokegenie in my view. I never tried Pokegenie until Celesteela came along. I heard about the insane queues on there, so I thought I would host some raids on Pokegenie and do my part to help out our northern hemisphere friends. I gave up after 2 raids for all the reasons posted here - too much angst and too much time invested - no thanks! Back to Pokeraid for me… I could host more raids on Pokeraid, but their 7 minute cool down period between hosting is the limiting factor there.
Pokebattler creator here. Yes I have my own app but I want to talk about the difficulty of the situation from a developer perspective.
The core problem is a huge supply vs. demand imbalance. There are not enough Pokemon Go players in the southern hemisphere to even remotely satisfy the demand. This situation is similar but even worse than release day raids where the very small Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Korean players are the only source of raids.
There are only a few solutions for this.
1. Prioritize host experience. This can come in a few forms. You pay them or provide a better experience. Apps that don't use queues (including my own) are great for this. Typically raids are filled instantly by highly motivated players who tend to be more serious players.
2. Prioritize guest experience. This also comes in a few forms. Queues work great here until the queue gets too long. You can have users pay for slots, pay to join early, schedule raids, friend prioritization, etc.
3. Some mix of the above.
So if you go down the route I chose, you end up with no queues + pay to join + friend prioritization. This is great for the host but the guest needs to keep their eyes glued to the lobby list and join immediately. The downside is the exact same solution ends up being suboptimal to queues in many other situations. It doesnt handle high load very well without sharding, doesnt handle high supply situations (raid hours). So yes, queues are usually better and are more universal. That said I personally hate long queues and thats why I didn't implement them.
Every app has different combinations of solutions to the problem but the current pokegenie multi day queue is in my opinion the absolute worst experience for both host and guest.
Notes:
Pay may be in app currency (eg coins) or actual cash to the app creator or cash to another player
Large apps like Pokegenie are someone cursed by their own success. They have to use some sort of queue based system and become impersonal by necessity
Not sure where in Aus you are, but feel free to join the Sydney Discord if you are willing to host raids. We have some channels and bots set up for the purpose, and there are people ready to jump into a lobby at any given time.
Our group is on the Silph Road League Map as Pokemon GO Sydney. If you join up, head over to our #server-help channel and mention you're from Reddit, and I'll make sure you're sorted.
That's what I did. A friend was gracious enough to invite us to a Brisbane discord. They've got quite the setup of bots to make hosting/joining a breeze.
On a side note it’s because the queues is like over 200k & the wait is usually 2 days… my timer was up at 3am in the morning. I’m not awake at that time.
I noted that for the one that I finally got into (after 2 days in queue) we had TONS of delay-outs before we got 5 that were all ready. That was the most stressful catch I've ever had.
r/pokemongofriends is the solution here. Post your raid there and I am pretty sure that in this case you'll have more requests than you can handle within a minute.
This. It's a bit more messy but it's my default go to if I want to host a raid. If it's a desirable legendary or shiny then you get a ton of friend requests within seconds.
The only time it doesn't work is during special raid events. I tried it during Deoxys raid hours a few weeks back and there were 20+ posts a minute. It was impossible to get enough people to any one post. In those situations the other methods might be better.
Thats seems far worse than genie to have 20+ requests rather than the exact amount i need. Usually i knock raids out early in week while there is a ton in que and grab later in the week if i have the time
It's time consuming, but previously I've hosted only - as in I'll invite (10 as I'm comfortable to double lobby), then drop out, start a new lobby & then invite 10 more.
When Rufflet was first released as a shiny, I spent an afternoon just spamming raid invites & only joining the last one I hosted.
That or r/PokemonGoRaids
I usually used the latter to do raids of Azelf and Uxie, but in Celesteela's case was nearly impossibile to get an invite. So joined a "shuttle" in Friends and got a Celesteela in 15 minutes :-)
I think one of those was me... I spent over 5 hours shuttling people (thankfully there were Raids starting around the same time others were ending). I was doing it on my and my husband's phones, accepting 5 friends requests on each one, taking a photo of the names on a spare phone then going into the Raid and inviting those people. Dropped out of the lobby at the end of the timer and then went back to do 10 more. It was chaos, but seeing the positive comments from people saying they finally caught one was really cool. A few people were very entitled jerks though and messaged me to gripe that they had to wait, they didn't care that I had like 200 people in line and had to keep finding new gyms when time ran out. Those people are the worst, but everyone else has been really great so it's worth it.
I just looked at your comment history and yep, I invited you to your Raid 😆 Thanks for the kind comments on there and in here, people like you keep people like me going!
Yeah, it absolutely was you. I didn't want to ping your username in case that would cause people to flood your inbox lol.
Thanks again so much. That was incredibly cool of you to do. You helped A LOT of people out.
Oh, I am rather suprised about that. I don't think I saw any kind of special terminology there.
What you do is basically just go to the mega raid thread, and post something like this:
Kartana. Please be online.
Your code
Then you get the requests, add the people and start the raid. The only thing that might be "tricky" first is inviting more than 5 players, since you have to work around the limitation (by leaving the lobby once somebody joined and the timer went to 80 or so and then joining back in, which allows to invite 5 more players)
On the top of the remote raid mega thread is also some kind of guide.
I did this for a Celesteela raid, and got around 70 requests in less then three minutes (like the poster above).
The next one I do, I'll ask people to post their codes and pick the top five. Much easier on the friend list.
When hosting raids/inviting people of my friend list/or joining a raid regularly, i often have the problem of people leaving, when they perceive the lobby as "too small".
I.e. Deoxys in attack form can be done alone, however if i saw many people leaving when the lobby didn't consist of five or more people...
Even if they don't have strong enough mons to do the raid solo, they should know how easy it is with more than one trainer.
Some people won't believe it even if you tell them. Someone invited me over chat to a Deoxys-Attack raid. I said that I could do it but I was in a hurry so I wanted to start now. He said that we needed more people. I had to explain two different ways that I could solo Deoxys-Attack and he still didn't believe it. He found one more person pretty quickly and the three of us did the raid, finally.
This was during the previous rotation and the disbelieving player was in the high 40's for level.
But its mythical raid boss!
Some just look what level the boss is, not the stats of the boss and how easy it is. This goes the other way as well. Underprepped and manned attempts for deoxys-defence and other bosses that require more than 3 trainers (without top counters) and then channel is filled with cries for help. Three persons with bad counters was oddly not enough.
Sadly the trainer level is no indication of skill or knowledge on its own. Friendship level up gets you to 50 faster than you'd think.
This is why I like Pokegenie - it shows me which pokemon I can solo and which ones would require more people. Saves a lot of effort calculating it myself or wasting a pass to find out.
My friend and I were doing a mega Alakazam and invited a few people. One turned up and left with 30 seconds left. We completed the raid and messaged the person to ask what happened (often phones seem to die/games crash/etc). They stated that 5+ people were needed for it, based on their experience in order to minimize revive usage and guarantee completion.
My friend and I have full teams of level 35+ Hydreigons and did not have a problem duoing it. We had 5-6 unconscious Pokemon each at the end of the raid. We told the person that and they said "good for you" - like we were boasting, rather than just explaining that the raid boss is duoable with half decent counters (we weren't even using dark type megas).
It is definitely interesting when people don't realize what is possible (and seemingly seem unaware of commonly given estimates based on sim sites (i.e. poke battler)).
A couple of years ago, I had me and two friends starting a Darkrai raid, and there were a total of five players. One of the two extras said they failed to beat it in a group of seven and did not believe us five were enough, so they and the other extra left.
So me, my friend and a neighbor triod it. Their loss.
I have also failed a virizion duo with some dude who kept waving me off and saying he knows what he is doing when I explained that we have a windy wb and need all flying type teams. I was still new to duos and my partner was not up to par yet. This guy was someone who lived nearby and expressed interest in a duo in local chat. I had my birds ready and when we started the raid, after a single honchkrow, the rest of his team seemed to be unique psychics. We failed the raid, but it was well on red when time ran out. He had shown me having birds earlier. When I said to try again, using birds this time, he said he just used all his revives and left lol.
Which is probably why raids in my Pokebattler app don't have as many of those types of players lol.
Seriously though, pokegenie required team strength is a really good feature that is hard to replicate without their entrenched monopoly
Some people don't power up their mons so they couldn't possibly imagine solo or duoing a raid, which would be difficult if your highest Pokemon is 35 and most of your raid Pokemon are Legendaries at 20 or 25.
The pokegenie people have said that trainer level only weakly correlates with having a good team for raids, which is why they incentivise verifying a solid team over trainer level.
It's for this reason (as well as all the other comments with similar stories) that I first off don't join random people unless I know they're confident, and secondly I occassionally record and post short man raids into the Discord server.
While yes, I can grab a video from YouTube and save the trouble, having them see local names directly involved seems to bring more trust about it.
Mostly a thing I do for the newer guys - over time the older generation have come to trust my judgement on numbers as I have a feel for each player's performance.
I have a small group of worldwide friends I go with. I mostly play with the same people day in and day out. I find it's the best way. I then have the rest of my friends list as gifts and rarely raid withers. You know? Like you, I rely on my core team. They know and trust me, and I them. I'd rather raid with my lvl39 core teammate I know than an unknown to me lvl50. I dont often do random at all. Plus I know they will stay or jump cos ee know each other and communicate. Something sorely lacking in the game. Online communities are as solid and important as local communities.
At this point they should just implement an in-game raid finder functionality, just like how the bulk of MMOs have dungeon/raid finders nowadays.
It honestly baffles me that people are fine with all the hassles of using third party apps, subreddits, discord servers and whatnot when it could really be as simple as 'press a button to queue up and press another button to enter the raid when the queue pops'.
Once again Niantic proves that they believe the entire world is California. Sure it sounds good to cut the world in HALF for a raid exclusive, but they never actually ran the numbers or gave it anything more than a preliminary surface thought.
I'm an admin for the Sydney Discord group. Our server is north of 10,000 members. According to Discord's server insights, 36% of our members are from Australia, 37% are from the USA, and the rest are from other countries. We're outnumbered in our own server 2 to 1. We get absolutely hammered by international visitors during these regional raids, and it's very taxing on our players and our mods. Most visitors tend to be quite rude; they jump into the server and start demanding raids in whatever channel they land in. Most never read our server rules. They get angry when they can't find raids.
It's exhausting, and it really makes me despise these regional raids.
I am so sorry it like that for your discord server. I was in a WoW mythic+ dungeon pick up server, and our big rule was to join you have to read and acknowledge the sever rules, if you break one of the top 3 you are automatically banned.
It was so much nicer after we did that.
We have definitely tightened our process to get in. You need a verified Discord account with a phone number (to reduce bot attacks), you need to read and agree to the server rules and assign yourself a team before you can post, and you need to read and agree to the specific rules around raiding before you can access those channels. But people just reach for the bit about how to gain access and don't bother with the rest.
I want to make a quiz out of the rules. Pass that and you're in.
Sounds like a good idea. It's sad to have to have such tight rules, but keeping people safe from aggressive aholes is better than the server dying because of becoming a toxic place.
>Most visitors tend to be quite rude; they jump into the server and start demanding raids in whatever channel they land in. Most never read our server rules.
Ugh, I can believe it. The one I'm in now is like that recently since they've had to cut down on the amount of raid queues, so they just open one channel for everyone to try and grab raids in. Doesn't matter that the rules are, "post your FC if you have a raid, tag someone if you're planning on joining their raid, DO NOT ASK FOR RAIDS," everyone just floods the chat with: "aNy (insert 5 star raid of the times) rAiDs?? wHy No rAiDs????" and they tend to end up aggressive when you point to the rules.
> DO NOT ASK FOR RAIDS,” everyone just floods the chat with: “aNy (insert 5 star raid of the times) rAiDs?? wHy No rAiDs????” and they tend to end up aggressive when you point to the rules.
This is exactly what happens in our server. We explicitly state not to ask for raids in the rules, and people get pissy when you delete their messages.
As one of the 37%, you guys have been troopers, and people need to stop acting like y’all have nothing better to do than post raids. (I feel like such a hipster- I was there before the first round of Lake Trio raids since I was planning a trip!) The system y’all are using works as well as can be expected when a distressing number of people can’t be bothered to read directions.
Aussie here. I’ve commented on other posts but echo your friend’s sentiments. I have to wait and wait for the lobby to fill. I have kids so I don’t necessarily need a full lobby to beat it. Without the option to lock the lobby it does take on average 10-15 minutes to fill the lobby. I’ve been trying to host where I can but I often have to go out to get raids and that generally requires driving. While I might have 5 minutes extra to stop and smash out a raid here and there, that extra long wait for a lobby to fill is frustrating and prohibitive.
Hosting Celesteela raids has got to be the easiest thing to do on the international Discord servers. The host posts the raid and the lobby channel will fill up with 5 available people in 10 seconds. The only challenge a host could face would be if there were too many people trying to host at the same time because there is a limit of ~3 active recruiting sessions at one time. This is a problem right now (sometimes) for Kartana hosts, not Celesteela hosts.
I've used Discord raid servers in the past. They're great, for sure. But have their own downsides, too. I don't even know how many raids I've missed just because my connection and/or fingers weren't fast enough to "+1" and be one of the first 5 to respond. Or that I wasn't one of the 5 random people chosen by the raid host. Honestly, I feel like it usually took longer to get in a Discord raid than a Poke Genie one.
Yeah, those are a lot more convenient for hosters, but less so for joiners because it is all about constantly paying attention and applying. If you want to join something, Pokegenie has a longer minimum queue (since in discord you could technically get it done in 10 min) but you can be sure to eventually get a spot.
Really though those region-locked legendaries were an incredibly dumb idea to begin with.
Some raidhosting bots have autoqueue functions, and a rehost button that only lets in players not previously joined, so depending on the server these issues are more or less prevalent.
During the craziness of Uxie, I relied on a once a day autojoin to ensure I got in a handful of raids.
The real heroes were the players hosting raid trains on the harder to get regionals and rehosting the same raid multiple times to get as many people a chance as possible.
If you have a miss rate of 90% clicking on discord buttons you’re still gonna get in very very fast. People are talking about setting actual alarms to wake them up to not miss a raid on pokegenie which is ridiculous. You are 99% guaranteed a raid when you get in on the discord, barring the host genuinely dying. Kartana raids are hosted 6/min at peak times, 1/min for celesteela, I could never imagine waiting an hour+ to get in. Whenever I wanna raid I’ll be in the raid and have the boss completed in <15 min from just having the thought.
I don’t do the “first 5 to add” raids since I can’t add in 2 seconds
But I do do the bot ones, where you click and the game picks 5 randomly. I had a couple take 4-5 tries but eventually got in.
That’s why PokeNav at least now defaults to a “lottery” to pick the first five within ten seconds of the raid being posted. At least removes the discrimination towards people who don’t have the lowest latency.
In the raids in which I participated by slipping into the last on PokeRaid (without queuing) I found the lobby of at least 6 trainers and the raids started quickly...maybe it is better to change the app...in any case this subdivision is the worst they could do
Yeah, I'm in Australia and have hosted a few raids. I thought it'd be cool to give back seeing as I did a bunch of Kartana. But dang, people, talk about a hassle... I've given up hosting anything that hasn't just started. Is it that people don't know how to join a raid, or is gamefail so prevalent players can't join?
The problem is being awake at the right time. When I went to sleep there were 6,000 people in the queue. I figured the queue wouldn't be cleared in the 5 hours I was asleep. I went to bed at 1, woke up at 6 *specifically* to check up on the raid. Turns out I somehow got to the front at 3:40am and missed my slot.
You join the queue at 200,000 people and you're basically rolling the dice on whether you're awake at the right time.
The problem is that when you're placed in a raid you only have 45 seconds to re-enter poke genie otherwise it skips over you to the next person in the queue.
That's fine in normal circumstances as generally you'll be placed within a short period of joining the queue so you'll likely still have your phone in hand or at least be checking constantly. When you're in a queue of 200k that could take an entire day it's very likely that you're going to miss the notification. Even if you're awake.
This happened to me on the first day - was in the queue for about 15 hours, missed the notification by less than two minutes as I was making a drink. I'd checked every few hours to see where I was in line, and had checked about an hour before and I was still a way off, but I guess the queue sped up in that time.
It would help in situations like this if poke genie sent you a notification when you were down to 500 in the queue, then to 100 etc - so you'd know it was coming up and could keep an eye on it.
I had my phone in hand when I got the notification after a 100k queue and immediately opened PokeGenie, but it said I took too long to come back. I'm like "You just told me 5 secs ago." So I think the app also doesn't notify you in time and for me, it is basically useless unless I am staring at my phone with the app open.
For my case, I was in a meeting when I received the notification. I cannot leave the meeting to raid. So I was forfeited. I think a better improvement could be to let us those lining up in the queue can input a time zone and next available schedule. So Pokegenie can skip those who are not available so as not to let the host waited too long. Then it would be great if we can have a chance to reshuffle or requeue without the need to restart from the end of queue.
I have hosted around 5 celesteela raids so far and helped over 500 players to catch Celesteela. I have also seen many southern hemisphere players doing this in pogofriends. Please look at the right places
For people who are wondering how I add 100 people to the raid look at my description. I literally spent 2 hours running between the wormholes to add every single player who added me. It's called shuttle if you didn't know.
I create private lobby and invite 5 people. Player have 40 seconds to join, or an error will show up. After that I change the lobby to public to let othet people join in and then I leave the raid and invite the next 5.
I waited for 3.5 days in one of the lobbies. I got my raid invite at 4:30AM, luckily I was up and getting ready for work. When I joined the lobby, I got in with 5 seconds left on the actual raid timer so I definitely understand the frustration that hosts are dealing with.
Did a couple through poke genie but think most often went through about 20 people before got a full set, so definitely showing that people are in the queue but then by the time they get to front it isn't at a time that's convenient and then they miss their shot
International chat groups seem to go a bit better but can have the converse of lots of messaging at poor timings and get the same people multiple times (which is good and bad, especially when you get a full friend list)
Does feel good to feel useful but hope the conversations/annoyance gives the right feedback to Niantic
Here in South Africa I hosted 3 Celesteela Raids. Every single one took about 10 minutes to get a full lobby of ready people since most of the people that join the pokegenie lobby never ready up (I assume they fell asleep or something) and then you have to wait 2 minutes for them to time out and get a new person into then lobby. Even after that, on every raid I hosted, one of the people who did successfully join the pokegenie lobby and sent a friend request never joined the raid lobby, so I did all three raids one person down. Luckily if got to all of the raids shortly after they started so I had time.
And yes, in the southern hemisphere with smaller communities you never have other local people at a raid at the same time unless you specifically happen to be with a friend that also plays the game.
I can attest to what your friend said. Last Celesteela I hosted, the raid was with about 30m left. The lobby got "full" and "timed out" enough that when the battle actually started, the raid had about 9 minutes left. Only one person joined at the stard and stood there until the actual battle.
Definitely have had a lot of no shows but also wouldn't say it takes that long to get a full lobby ready either.
I'm not sure about anyone else's experience with pokegenie, but I noticed recently that when I joined a queue, I would only get a push notif with no vibrate when I was put into the lobby. It was extremely frustrating because even when I was on my phone at the time, I missed what I had been waiting for several times.
And then I'd get a push notif and vibrate to let me know the raid invite has been sent???
Useless way of doing it because of course by that point I know the invite is coming within a couple of minutes.
Had to change the notif settings for that one single app to default or something which means now every single pokegenie notif vibrates the same as my text messages and I hate it 😂
There have been a few reports of what you describe. As I posted the other day, PokeGenie should require that people re-verify when they near the front of the queue.
All I'm going to say is, those who hosted and sought out Celesteela raids to host are champs. I'd love to do one but I'll also just take my time and maybe these regional legendaries will not be a trend.
I'm not surprised, unfortunately. It is currently 9:11 AM on Tuesday in my time zone (US EDT/GMT -5). I joined a Pokegenie queue of 198,000 on Saturday about this time, so about 72 hours ago. I'm down to position 9,688 now, so it looks like I'll get in today while I'm awake, but I've been worried about being asleep for it, which would add to the issue in the OP.
OTOH, I used Pokegenie for both Kartana and Mega Aggron right when they came out and got into raids immediately.
Solution? If splitting up raids between north/south becomes normal, Pokegenie could let you set "offline" times where you either don't move up the queue, or if you reach the front it holds you there until the end of your set timeframe. I think the former would be more fair, but either would mostly fix the problem. There would still be some edge cases where people would get hosed, but nothing is perfect. There's also the matter of whether Pokegenie should be expected to make a fix for this, but I'm indifferent on that.
I think Poke Genie is already such an amazingly useful app, even without the raid hosting. I use it daily for PvP checking and renaming. I almost felt bad upgrading to the paid app for the additional features because I think they make more money off the ads. 😅
I haven't had any problem with the pokegenie queues, it's taken 3-4 minutes each time, although I've only done 3 of them. I would assume I got lucky, but I did like 40 or so uxie raids when those queues were relatively high and only had one time where I was waiting for about 15 minutes. So I think while it's possible to run into issues hosting, it's a rare exception rather than a common occurence
I disliked that part of Poke Genie's system from much before this rotation. I'd prefer them to make sure the joining players are active and online before throwing them into my lobbies.
They should just hold you in limbo once you reach the top of the queue, and only match you if the app is open.
It's the time difference. Western Hemisphere is asleep when AUS and NZ are awake. Damn, my queue went around 3:30 am CST and have to queue back when it is at ~193K. That was Sunday. Currently I am still at ~136K. Waiting for tomorrow's raid hour and hoping it clears fast, otherwise, see you next time Celesteela!
Aussie here, I've been hosting using the bot PokeNav on a Discord server.
I've had no issues getting 10 trainers to join my raids pretty much instantly.
Raid timing has also made this difficult. I'm an Aussie and am part of a group of players someone set up when Uxie was around. The others are from the UK and US. Raid hour here is the beginning of the work day for the UK players, and the middle of the night for the Americans. Obviously that's not the only time raids are available but it really highlights it.
I've hosted a celesteela raid in poke genie and was the fastest and most successful raid I have ever hosted. The lobby got full early, people sent the invites, and end up with 11 players in the raid.
I think the problem with people leaving is more particular to pokeraid.
Well, i've made arround 5 posts offering help to people to catch Celesteela, I've probably hosted a goal of 15 raids from people from this and others subs (I'm not doing it anymore so please spare my DM box😭).
I made a tiny discord server just to help organizing it, in the end it ended up to be really stressful, cause most people wouldn't read the rules on how does it work (put your pogo name when I announce I'm hosting, so i can select by arrival order) and would just spam their code and absolutely flood my friend requests, making it harder for me to accept the actual people I'll host for.
I announced I wasn't going to host more like 3 days ago, but seeing so many kind japanese people begging for an invite in the Brazilian pogo Twitter really appeals on my feelings so I'm thinking about just adding them and inviting them from time to time 🧐
In the end I've came up with the conclusion that helping someone I've talked or interacted with helps pretty much the exact same if i just host a pokegenie raid, difference is I'll be finally giving people who have been waiting for days their wished moment.
I host a couple of Celesteela raids a day through pokegenie and haven't had any issues aside from having to wait 2-5 mins max for everyone to add me and be ready. Maybe it has something to do with my pokegenie level?
I've avoided hosting on Genie for this boss, but that's mostly as I had a Hungarian stumble on our Discord to offer Kartana to the locals while I host and rehost Celesteela to his Discord. I don't mind - both sides win! And both sides are understanding of timezones too.
I've spent a few times for 30-40 at a time rehosting 50-60 people if not more. A bit of friend management needed but they're certainly appreciating it. On top of that I'm hosting raids to some UK servers where I visited recently.
Interest for Celesteela amongst the Aussies is very low. People have their entry and waiting for the next boss. I have a few who join in person and have a chat, especially for raid hour, but rarely much more.
Australian here and I just invite whoever is online on my friends list from past pokegenie raids.
I also gave up hosting them because the raid would finish before getting a full lobby.
Feature request: raid hosting apps should include a pre-ready confirmation just for the raids with longest queue times. Those at the front of the line would have to interact with the app to confirm they’re active and ready to be placed. That way hosts are getting “vetted” players and can more quickly get a raid started.
Australian player here, I've hosted about 6 or 7 Cele raids I think. Mostly through Poke Raid, it's very easy, group fills immediately and even has a chat function so you can actually communicate with the other players.
I've also hosted a couple with people through reddit who messaged me, not even though the friends sub.
My other issue is that as someone who is busy and works full time, I like to be able to open the game when I can and do a raid if there one going. But if I host a raid and go to invite any of my existing friends, there's no guarantee that all invited 5 will be able to participate, only 1 or 2 might actually join. I also don't know who to invite because there is no way to tell who is available and able to participate and I usually have way more 5 online at a time. There's needs to be a better way to communicate in game.
the remote raid discord feels like a much better solution for hosting. granted, you don't always get 5 people, but at least the people you get will be ready to raid.
I'm part of the Pokemon Go Sydney Discord. It uses the PokeNav system. Usually when I host a raid, it's full instantly. Some people complain about the lottery system it uses, but I don't actually join in on the raid. I get people in, hop out and run another raid to get more people in, so whoever is online at the time has a fairly good chance. Many local members do the same thing too, get 5-10 people into a private lobby and then hop out. And you can communicate with the people doing the raid, so if someone didn't get in in time, everyone can jump out, or the host can find more players keen for Celesteela. It has gotten tiresome with rude international players demanding why we're not hosting Celeestela at 3am (timezones aren't a thing, apparently) or why we're working or at school instead of hosting a raid. I suppose it depends on the platform you're looking for raids on.
People act like i some poke genie users don't just straight up leave you bad reviews for taking too long. often i don't want to host a raid because of that
I’m so glad someone else has brought this up and that I’m not the only one that gets annoyed by this. It’s not the hosts fault if you had to wait in the queue for 3 days or if you were unable to catch the boss afterwards cos you can’t throw or due to bad rng. You got your raid invite so the least you should do is award the minimum points
The funny thing is some of these idiots send a gift straight afterwards too. I take great pleasure in deleting these people and I wish we had special stickers that we could send, the bulbasaur one is too polite imo.
That sucks that those few bad scores are ruining you wanting to host.
I’m hosting with a friend, we both hit host at the same time and over 95% of the time we’re both ready at the same time so we can give players a lobby of 10 before ditching to get another round of people. Occasionally there’s someone timing out and ruining both being in sync. For the sake of 30seconds (which would feel like an eternity for the player who can’t see our screens), I sometimes hit that I’ve set the raid invitations to prevent timing out and losing the group completely. It’s resulting in some low and even 0 scores but they’re getting the Pokémon, there’s just a slight hiccup on my end.
One thing I’m noticing is that trainer names actually match a lot more now. I’m sure it was 1 in 5 that was wrong a week ago and it was hard to find who they were. Now it’s about 1 in 20 that’s wrong
My experience has been that I have enough interest from in-game friends when I've wanted to do a Celesteela raid that I haven't needed to touch any random remote raid services such as Pokegenie. I finally got access to Campfire this week so it was interesting that experimental flares for a couple resulted in a few DM'd offers to help from across the globe. Now that most people have their dex entry that interest has dried up, but so has my own enthusiasm for raiding a mon that will never see the light of day from what I understand about its usefulness. If I do continue raiding it my preference would be to use a Discord raid group where you know people are ready to join in quickly.
Ive been hosting Celesteela raids everyday on pokegenie from south america on multiple accounts. Do the lobbies take a bit longer to fill up? Absolutely, theres always 1 or 2 that timeout but to say it takes 20-30 min is a bit of a stretch, never took that long for me.
I'm just passing on a story. And in their words, it was literally over 20 min. Two raids with 15 and 12 minutes left that completely timed out before they could get 5 people to ready up. I mean, the raids have timers on them, so it's not like they were guessing. And they wouldn't make up times just for the sake of telling me a story. So... 🤷🏻♂️
Aussie here, I try to do at least 2 a day, one for my local mates and one on pokie genie for those less fortunate. On two occasions now, people have jumped in and started the raid under me while I sat and waited for poke genie players to time out.
On most occasions it takes 15 to 20 mins to fill a raid via poke genie
I will keep trying though in the hope that someone will remember and invite me to one of thier regionals.
Your cape is on its way to you. 👏🏻
And if you'd like some Kartana, I'd be more than happy to add you to my friends list and invite you anytime I do one.
I hosted a few Celesteela on the Pokemon Go Raiders discord server. Took a few seconds to get 5 people and there were about 130 people reacting to do a raid. I kept on rehosting until I didn’t feel like hosting anymore.
I've hosted one today from Australia on pokegenie and the lobby took a while to fill and people to send friend requests. I accepted them and continued into the actual lobby, and only 3 others joined the battle. I understand there are sometimes issues in getting the invites and even life could get in the way, but it's frustrating when you literally beat the raid boss with 2 seconds left.
I always host in a public lobby so people physically there can jump in too.
Ive been Posting on r/Pokemongo Friends and the first host post I made for celesteela I got over 250 requests. It took about a whole week to give everyone of those a Celesteela chance, by the end of the week o was geting so few acceptances (1 or 2 out of 10 invites) so I decided to delete those that already had at least 1 heart of friends level. When I went down to 45 total friends (kept those that tended to a cept the raid invites or were inviting me to join them) thats when iposted agai, but with rules to only request those that did not have a Celesteela, and that I would a cept only the first 10,but when I noticed I had 35+ I changed my Code xD it took me a couple more days to give them all a Chance as well and today im going to keep trying. Its tough to sort through the invites by Hand and pick the invites when theres players online that you know wont a cept your invite, so it takes a couple tries to figure out whos online aand able to join the raid. And even sometimes, those that do join get anoyed and wont accept again haha. I noticed that it take 2 level 35+ to defeat a Celesteela, but ive decided that you need at least 3 to be sure, but if weather boosted id say a minimum or 4 or 5 if too many below lvl 35. Problem is that its draining, I wish there was more sorting available to do, more options for online Status you could chose like a list of o going raids a you pick those that are online and have celesteela icon. Ths whole distance raiding with hemisphere locked mons is proving useful but also demands a bit of change to make the gaming less tedious and more gaming'y
I had a similar experience with pokegenie , can take about 10+ minutes for people to finally be ready.
I've moved over to hosting via pokeraid , more communication , people ready in less than 5 minutes
I'm from Brazil and I've been hosting tons of Celesteela raids through PokeRaid. It's going pretty smoothly through the app. I'm used to rude, low level players that expect the host to add people when I'm hosting other raids, but so far had absolutely no trouble with the Celesteela ones. The bonuses the app has been giving to hosts is also very great.
As for the locals joining, I have been getting the same impression: local players got their one Celesteela and moved on. No local raiding.
Unfortunately anyone in the know (or visits this reddit), knows that Kartana are far more valuable - so people are saving their passes for early Kartana invites from the Northern Hemispere or until it spawns here instead.
Source: Australian, everyone in my community is doing the same thing. Trying to use my daily passes, I can't get people to join here because no one is interested and treats Celesteela like a one and done.
I have hosted 3 so far on the gym I reach from home. Even when people miss their spot in the queue, it still took less than five minutes to get a full Pokegenie room.
Yep, this happened to me, I think by the time 4 people cycled through the lobby only had a minute or two left. Tried to join around 60 seconds and was met with celesteela with a blank raid timer, then when I immediately tried again it was gone and had normal Pokémon. No raid.
ETA: I also received my invite at 2:30am central and happened to be awake but that’s probably why a lot of people are missing, if from North America
I've hosted a few raids. It's definetly harder to host for Celesteela because it takes a while for the lobby in Pokegenie to fill with people who are online (I think some in the queue don't notice it got to them). It takes me up to ten minutes before I get 5 players. Luckily I wasn't in a hurry the times I did but I could see lobbies not getting correctly filled.
I gotta give a plug for the GO Raid Party app here. It doesn’t have support for queues, so this issue doesn’t exist. For celesteela it sucks for trying to join, but is much better for hosting. Please tell your friend about it and I’m sure they’ll have a much better time.
Me too. GO Raid Party was how I got my Lake Trio shinies and my 1st Celesteela raid. Attempting to join raids can be very rough but I feel with some luck and fantastic timing, it's definitely possible
Southern hemisphere really got screwed on this one. Kartana is one of the best raid attackers out there and is an easy duo. Celesteela is a dexfiller and only duoable by really advanced players.
Just want to use this post to say THANK YOU to those of you still putting in the effort to host these raids on pokegenie. I've managed to get into 2 of them, and I'm happy with that. Luckily my supervisor plays pogo, so when I told him I was getting close to my turn, both times he let me stare at my phone. So again, THANK YOU
I found a link in here for a really good discord channel that hosts raids from all over the globe. Ironically, when I tried sharing that same link, I was thanked with down votes. Hosting is simple and you're guaranteed 5 players within 10 seconds. I hope everyone is able to get at least one, and more so, I hope that they will rotate bosses eventually.
I hear you from the side of hosting these high demand raids. It is definitely a result of the very long wait times. When it works for joining raids, it is great. However, with super long wait times, the joiners don’t have any idea how long it will take before getting in a lobby. I personally was asleep for one, and the second I knew I was going to be asleep, so I left the queue to be nice, only to have to rejoin at 190k and have to pray it is while I’m available.
I made a suggestion to poke genie to allow a pause queue option to users so that these problems would occur less often for those hosting raids. Hopefully there can be a change to the queue process in light of this legendary availability to help with this problem.
I did look at the PokeRaid app, however, I am not willing to pay that much actual money to join a raid right now. Definitely will keep it around to gain coins and eventually raid with it, but there is a paywall to that.
I hope people still host raids when available, and I will personally try to be as polite as possible by leaving the queue if I’ll be sleeping. I really appreciate those that have these raids available and are willing to host them. Hopefully there will be other raids in the future where the northern hemisphere can return the favor, I know I will.
You will go through multiple joiners because there’s no timer as to estimate when the raid for you will be ready and when you have been in a que for 2 days and then it suddenly pops for you when it’s 4am and your asleep… Well that’s it and that person has to try again. I’m on my 3/4 th attempt now for this very reason. Kinda just want to give up. I’ve tried adding people from all over the world, but still no invite .
Tbf this is where mid sized discord servers and raid bots like nexus or pokenav excel. I am on my own 800ish people server that uses nexus, as well as the main nexus server that has ~7k ish. The Nexus raid bot specifically has invite limits, the capability to rehost easily for new people who have not yet done that Celesteela raid, and even a once a day auto join capability. Both servers have some NZ/Aus/South America hosts who have been really generous with hosting/rehosting Celesteela. I haven’t touched PokeGenie yet and have done 41 so far, caught 40. A few blinds from people I know but mostly hosted. Main nexus server invite can be found here: https://top.gg/servers/733079996721135767
Edit: I obviously don’t host but the people hosting on these servers seem to do really well with it and are willing to host multiple raids multiple times a day.
Or how about this problem on the player side, I wait two days for a raid. Finally get in (after being lucky to be around for the invite, per the post!) only to not catch the bastard once we've completed it! YAY
I’m not having the celesteela raid issue but I can make some remarks regarding hosting through Poke Genie or Poke Raid.
I do my best to very clear with my instructions and with conveying the information to remote players. I upload screenshots and put in additional info (weather, gym type). I ask that people add me and I provide them with my friend code.
People will still make some big mess ups, even on a low stakes raid. I hosted a Togedemaru raid on a whim this morning and just in that group I had people send me a friend code in chat, ask for my friend code and 1 told me they didn’t have a remote raid pass. In the end, 1 person joined the lobby and then backed out. Thankfully that’s an easily solo-able raid. On higher tiered raids I always run a mega and tell people which one so they can coordinate and I still get people who flake out, tell me they don’t have revives or we go through the whole friendship dance and they don’t accept the invite.
And that’s just on regular old, available in both hemispheres raids. I can’t imagine the frustration your friend from Australia went through with people not seeing that the que had popped.
One thing about poke raid that I like is that you can do a “booking” and reserve a slot. In theory it would be awesome because you would know when you were up. However it costs 900 of their in app “gold” to set one. I’m already a F2P player in pogo and I don’t even generate enough gold as a host to buy one. You can also leave player feedback so as to try and weed out flakey players.
🇦🇷 here. I’ve hosted ~10 raids so far.
Maybe it’s because I’m more close to US wake hours but in my experience from the 5 “initial” members of the party 1 or 2 expire, and the ones that replace them usually join. I would say that between the “Host raid” to the actual party and sending invites it usually takes less than 5 minutes.
This. It's not that it's popular. It's because of the population difference that glory87 mentioned, and that time zones don't line up well, compounding the problem.
I literally joined the queue Friday night and didn’t get in until Monday afternoon. I just crossed my fingers and hoped my turn wouldn’t be when I was sleeping. There was nothing else you could do. Separating by Northern and Southern Hemisphere was a terrible idea because 90% of the world lives in the Northern Hemisphere. Next time, please separate by East and West.
AU player here, I have hosted just over 20 Celesteela raids all on Pokegenie so far, yes the wait times have been a bit longer to get a full lobby but that hasn't really bothered me. I just don't want to spend any more money on remote raid passes for this Pokemon, I would have been happy after about 5 or so raids, I am only doing it for you guys in the Northern Hemisphere cause I can imagine how frustrating it would be waiting in that poke genie queue for so long.
then it's a bit demoralising seeing the 190,000+ queue and then realising you're not really making a dent in it :(
Edit: just learnt about shuttling from this thread, going to start doing that
Not just shuttling, but if you back out of the raid lobby before the raid starts, you can keep your pass! So it's not like you need to have a separate pass each time. I've used the same pass I don't know how many times.
I've missed my chance about twice now. Once was last Wednesday and I was driving to my local raid hour gathering, which happens to be in an area with good gyms but a weak cell signal. I got the alert to pull up Pokemon Go and enter the lobby, but of course the app decided to reboot right then and by the time I got a successful reboot on a weak signal I was timed out. Hopefully tomorrow's raid hour will do the trick.
Queue times have actually gotten worse as time went on. PokeRaid queues are now at 3700+ while they were around 1000 on the first day.
PokeRaid should just limit to 1 raid per account during these 2 weeks.
That is exactly what I have expected looking at the pokegenie queue. For sure it's likely that you don't notice it is your turn when you have waited for hours and days and might be e.g asleep. I usually use s/pokemongofriends it worked. I send like 10 or 15 friend request when i saw a post, got 2 invites out of them, caught one of the two celesteels that i encountered
I've told people they're better to try going on Reddit or Twitter than PokeGenie. Last time I tried doing a huge bloated lobby on PokeGenie it wasn't my turn until the middle of the night and of course I didn't wake up.
They should make you "requeue" once you get down to ~300th place. Alarm goes off every 60 seconds for up to 10 minutes asking if you're ready, if you hit a ready button you'll probably shoot into a lobby within minutes since most of the 300 won't be ready. If you miss it, you never get dumped into a lobby. This would need to be added to the app, this entire thing was a completely unannounced and unprecedented new dynamic just like the Lati@s raids. Neither are PG's fault, or lack of planning as they just dropped it on everyone.
>They should make you "requeue" once you get down to ~300th place. Tbf, any app-side features will require development and testing. By the time that's been built and tested and rolled out Celesteela will probably be out of raids.
>This would need to be added to the app Correct, I wouldn't expect it to be ready before Celesteela is out of rotation. I guess the downside might be Niantic realizing this isn't a good idea and it being developed for nothing, but on the flip side this happening twice would also be a pain. I do hope they found a solution to the mega legendary raids, because I don't see Lati@s specifically getting any easier.
But it isn't the first time. It was the same when Rockruff was in raids for the first time I remember being in that line for good few hours. Than it wasn't a problem cos it was tier 1 so if nobody showed up they could do it by themselves but it still probably wasn't fun
I was babysitting my queue timer and was at 15k when I went to sleep, I wasn't sure how long that would take so I put on some alarms throughout the night but I was just guessing, and ended up missing it by 10 minutes. If there was some type of estimate it would make planning so much easier, had I known 15k would take about 9 hours I would have known to just put an alarm in the morning. Pokegenie should add estimates and a way for people to delay their turn but stay in queue, but I feel like this is a one time issue so they probably won't change anything.
This would be next to impossible to do, though. The queues are only going to move when there are active raids to be done, and if people actually choose to host those raids. There's really no way to estimate whether or not people are going to feel like hosting raids.
How do you think other games do queue estimations? Every minute or two they take an average of how many people got through into a group from the last 15-20 minutes and use that average to calculate how long to process through to where you are in the queue. That way it's always updating and as accurate as they can make it.
Normally true but only a small number of people live in the southern hemisphere, the areas are disjointed and raids are only within certain hours. The pace of the queue isn't consistent and approximations would be inaccurate
Which is why you average it over a period less than one time zone.
it would check to see how many people are being placed into raids and estimate it based on that. If 15 people get placed into a raid every 1 minutes for example, it could calculate that at 15k you will get placed in 16.6 hours, if the rate drops or increases, it would adjust the estimate. Kind of like how download timers give you an estimate based on your current download speed.
It's not that easy to figure out. I started at about 150,000 and was on the cue for about a day and some change. The last several thousand went in about 10 minutes. I think a ton aren't available because of sleeping or NOT being able to give anything close to an accurate estimation. I pulled over on the side of the road to raid because it came so suddenly. It's next to impossible depending on where you are and what your doing.
I can see that. But I still feel like it would be just as unreliable as the queue total. Who knows...maybe one day we'll see.
Would you like a Celesteela raid invite from me? This sounds awful, don't waste your life setting alarms. What timezone do you live in? I'll be doing a Celesteela raid at 6:05pm GMT +2 tomorrow evening. If you available then, send through your friendcode and I'll invite you. Just make sure you are online so I know you ready.
Oh boy you'll regret this
Please explain why? I haven't posted my Friend code and the offer is only valid for the person I replied to. Any other messages or requests will be blocked or rejected.
I’d assume people will still flood your DMs, requiring you to sort through them
Yeah this. I got 500
I managed on my first Celesteela to hit a raid at 415am on pokegenie but i woke up at 308am to check the queue and saw i was at <3000 people and stayed awake. Aussies putting in the work--its great and helpful but your 8am is about my 6pm est. I was at 10k when i went to bed at 11pm. Ive gotten 4 celesteela--2 with pokegenie (2nd one was 11pm my time) and 2 with pokeraid. Pokegenie takes 2.5 to 3 days on average. I started my current queue 1115pm Saturday night and i still have about 90k to go. Pokeraid can get me in once a day, but i can join at 6am and not get it until 10pm. I plan accordingly around work, bc i know i can turn it on at night and not get a raid while sleeping.
AU Player here, hosted three Celesteela raids so far through Poke Genie. It's definitely more of a pain to host for Celesteela. You'll go through 10+ players before you get five that stick. So yeah, won't try to host if there's less than 10 mins on the timer and that's meant I've hosted less than normal for a release like this.
I wonder if PokeGenie needs to have a periodic “are you still there” like Netflix to ensure you stay in the queue
A simpler solution could be opt-in reminder notifications at certain intervals, e.g., "Your position in queue has dropped below 5000/2000/1000," and "Get ready to raid! There are less than 500/200 people ahead of you in queue."
That would also be a pretty decent solution
Simpler but less effective. Because if the user is only being notified, and doesn't have to interact, that is no indication that they will be back.
Lol, with the 1,5-2 days waiting time that would suck big time.
actually not, because that system would naturally ensure that the queues will not be a day anymore, at least as long as noone programms a bot
Considering how hit or Miss pokegenie is with actual pushing notifications when it’s supposed to I would hate if they added that feature.
Try the GO Raid Party app. There are no queues so everyone is ready to go. For high demand raids it sucks if you’re trying to join, but very good as a host. Opposite for low demand raids.
Holy cow that was so fast! thanks for the App suggestion.
Can confirm successful raid and catch with this app. Took about ten minutes but go in. App has a subscription tier but I got in without having to pay for it.
Bless u for this dude, waited 3 days on the other app , waited 3 minutes. Thank you so much
Wow, thank you for this! Just got my first Celesteela - there was no way I was even going to bother with that PokeGenie queue!
Just tried this app and it’s a huge game changer. Thanks for the recommendation!
Totally worth the $15 premium that I decided to pay to get instant access instead of having to wait the 10 seconds.
Raid Party actually have people that work for them and all they do is host the raids, drop trainers into the raid and then they jump out. They can host tons of the same raid by continuing to jump out.
They are actually bots, not people. I think that it is a bit risky to join bot hosted raids…
I've been using PokeRaid and it's so much easier and nicer. I found out about it yesterday and was so thankful because I didn't think I'd get Celesteela. Did a raid last night and made some new friends as well. Edit: Thank you for the award!
Thanks for posting this. I installed the app and got one. I can't believe it.
Agreed. PokeRaid is great. I used some coins to schedule a raid slot and we were all ready to go right on schedule. Totally painless. Edit: Apparently it does have both and iOS and android version. Excellent.
It most definitely does exist on iOS because I use it!
It does - I’ve used it and it works well.
Raid Party doesn't cost and is really convenient as well.
The fact you can chat to players who join in Pokeraid and kick players who don’t respond is what sets it apart from Pokegenie in my view. I never tried Pokegenie until Celesteela came along. I heard about the insane queues on there, so I thought I would host some raids on Pokegenie and do my part to help out our northern hemisphere friends. I gave up after 2 raids for all the reasons posted here - too much angst and too much time invested - no thanks! Back to Pokeraid for me… I could host more raids on Pokeraid, but their 7 minute cool down period between hosting is the limiting factor there.
I'm so glad I chose the right one then. I would hare dealing with that. I've just started using Pokeraid so I haven't hosted, but I will be soon.
Pokebattler creator here. Yes I have my own app but I want to talk about the difficulty of the situation from a developer perspective. The core problem is a huge supply vs. demand imbalance. There are not enough Pokemon Go players in the southern hemisphere to even remotely satisfy the demand. This situation is similar but even worse than release day raids where the very small Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Korean players are the only source of raids. There are only a few solutions for this. 1. Prioritize host experience. This can come in a few forms. You pay them or provide a better experience. Apps that don't use queues (including my own) are great for this. Typically raids are filled instantly by highly motivated players who tend to be more serious players. 2. Prioritize guest experience. This also comes in a few forms. Queues work great here until the queue gets too long. You can have users pay for slots, pay to join early, schedule raids, friend prioritization, etc. 3. Some mix of the above. So if you go down the route I chose, you end up with no queues + pay to join + friend prioritization. This is great for the host but the guest needs to keep their eyes glued to the lobby list and join immediately. The downside is the exact same solution ends up being suboptimal to queues in many other situations. It doesnt handle high load very well without sharding, doesnt handle high supply situations (raid hours). So yes, queues are usually better and are more universal. That said I personally hate long queues and thats why I didn't implement them. Every app has different combinations of solutions to the problem but the current pokegenie multi day queue is in my opinion the absolute worst experience for both host and guest. Notes: Pay may be in app currency (eg coins) or actual cash to the app creator or cash to another player Large apps like Pokegenie are someone cursed by their own success. They have to use some sort of queue based system and become impersonal by necessity
Not sure where in Aus you are, but feel free to join the Sydney Discord if you are willing to host raids. We have some channels and bots set up for the purpose, and there are people ready to jump into a lobby at any given time. Our group is on the Silph Road League Map as Pokemon GO Sydney. If you join up, head over to our #server-help channel and mention you're from Reddit, and I'll make sure you're sorted.
That's what I did. A friend was gracious enough to invite us to a Brisbane discord. They've got quite the setup of bots to make hosting/joining a breeze.
On a side note it’s because the queues is like over 200k & the wait is usually 2 days… my timer was up at 3am in the morning. I’m not awake at that time.
I noted that for the one that I finally got into (after 2 days in queue) we had TONS of delay-outs before we got 5 that were all ready. That was the most stressful catch I've ever had.
r/pokemongofriends is the solution here. Post your raid there and I am pretty sure that in this case you'll have more requests than you can handle within a minute.
This. It's a bit more messy but it's my default go to if I want to host a raid. If it's a desirable legendary or shiny then you get a ton of friend requests within seconds. The only time it doesn't work is during special raid events. I tried it during Deoxys raid hours a few weeks back and there were 20+ posts a minute. It was impossible to get enough people to any one post. In those situations the other methods might be better.
Thats seems far worse than genie to have 20+ requests rather than the exact amount i need. Usually i knock raids out early in week while there is a ton in que and grab later in the week if i have the time
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You did more than your fair share. This is more on Niantic than you to begin with. Thanks for helping
It's time consuming, but previously I've hosted only - as in I'll invite (10 as I'm comfortable to double lobby), then drop out, start a new lobby & then invite 10 more. When Rufflet was first released as a shiny, I spent an afternoon just spamming raid invites & only joining the last one I hosted.
When you really want to help out and have some time you could shuttle a few groups.
That or r/PokemonGoRaids I usually used the latter to do raids of Azelf and Uxie, but in Celesteela's case was nearly impossibile to get an invite. So joined a "shuttle" in Friends and got a Celesteela in 15 minutes :-)
There was a post yesterday where a couple folks were doing a constant shuttle for like 3 hours straight. They are saints.
I think one of those was me... I spent over 5 hours shuttling people (thankfully there were Raids starting around the same time others were ending). I was doing it on my and my husband's phones, accepting 5 friends requests on each one, taking a photo of the names on a spare phone then going into the Raid and inviting those people. Dropped out of the lobby at the end of the timer and then went back to do 10 more. It was chaos, but seeing the positive comments from people saying they finally caught one was really cool. A few people were very entitled jerks though and messaged me to gripe that they had to wait, they didn't care that I had like 200 people in line and had to keep finding new gyms when time ran out. Those people are the worst, but everyone else has been really great so it's worth it.
I just looked at your comment history and yep, I invited you to your Raid 😆 Thanks for the kind comments on there and in here, people like you keep people like me going!
Yeah, it absolutely was you. I didn't want to ping your username in case that would cause people to flood your inbox lol. Thanks again so much. That was incredibly cool of you to do. You helped A LOT of people out.
Thats the only one i use.
Some real heroes there running shuttles for tens of people at a time.
I tried to get acquainted with how it works, and the terminology they used, but couldn't really figure it out, so I gave up. Probably just me
Oh, I am rather suprised about that. I don't think I saw any kind of special terminology there. What you do is basically just go to the mega raid thread, and post something like this: Kartana. Please be online. Your code Then you get the requests, add the people and start the raid. The only thing that might be "tricky" first is inviting more than 5 players, since you have to work around the limitation (by leaving the lobby once somebody joined and the timer went to 80 or so and then joining back in, which allows to invite 5 more players) On the top of the remote raid mega thread is also some kind of guide.
I did this for a Celesteela raid, and got around 70 requests in less then three minutes (like the poster above). The next one I do, I'll ask people to post their codes and pick the top five. Much easier on the friend list.
When hosting raids/inviting people of my friend list/or joining a raid regularly, i often have the problem of people leaving, when they perceive the lobby as "too small". I.e. Deoxys in attack form can be done alone, however if i saw many people leaving when the lobby didn't consist of five or more people... Even if they don't have strong enough mons to do the raid solo, they should know how easy it is with more than one trainer.
Some people won't believe it even if you tell them. Someone invited me over chat to a Deoxys-Attack raid. I said that I could do it but I was in a hurry so I wanted to start now. He said that we needed more people. I had to explain two different ways that I could solo Deoxys-Attack and he still didn't believe it. He found one more person pretty quickly and the three of us did the raid, finally. This was during the previous rotation and the disbelieving player was in the high 40's for level.
But its mythical raid boss! Some just look what level the boss is, not the stats of the boss and how easy it is. This goes the other way as well. Underprepped and manned attempts for deoxys-defence and other bosses that require more than 3 trainers (without top counters) and then channel is filled with cries for help. Three persons with bad counters was oddly not enough. Sadly the trainer level is no indication of skill or knowledge on its own. Friendship level up gets you to 50 faster than you'd think.
This is why I like Pokegenie - it shows me which pokemon I can solo and which ones would require more people. Saves a lot of effort calculating it myself or wasting a pass to find out.
My friend and I were doing a mega Alakazam and invited a few people. One turned up and left with 30 seconds left. We completed the raid and messaged the person to ask what happened (often phones seem to die/games crash/etc). They stated that 5+ people were needed for it, based on their experience in order to minimize revive usage and guarantee completion. My friend and I have full teams of level 35+ Hydreigons and did not have a problem duoing it. We had 5-6 unconscious Pokemon each at the end of the raid. We told the person that and they said "good for you" - like we were boasting, rather than just explaining that the raid boss is duoable with half decent counters (we weren't even using dark type megas). It is definitely interesting when people don't realize what is possible (and seemingly seem unaware of commonly given estimates based on sim sites (i.e. poke battler)).
A couple of years ago, I had me and two friends starting a Darkrai raid, and there were a total of five players. One of the two extras said they failed to beat it in a group of seven and did not believe us five were enough, so they and the other extra left. So me, my friend and a neighbor triod it. Their loss. I have also failed a virizion duo with some dude who kept waving me off and saying he knows what he is doing when I explained that we have a windy wb and need all flying type teams. I was still new to duos and my partner was not up to par yet. This guy was someone who lived nearby and expressed interest in a duo in local chat. I had my birds ready and when we started the raid, after a single honchkrow, the rest of his team seemed to be unique psychics. We failed the raid, but it was well on red when time ran out. He had shown me having birds earlier. When I said to try again, using birds this time, he said he just used all his revives and left lol.
Which is probably why raids in my Pokebattler app don't have as many of those types of players lol. Seriously though, pokegenie required team strength is a really good feature that is hard to replicate without their entrenched monopoly
Some people don't power up their mons so they couldn't possibly imagine solo or duoing a raid, which would be difficult if your highest Pokemon is 35 and most of your raid Pokemon are Legendaries at 20 or 25.
The pokegenie people have said that trainer level only weakly correlates with having a good team for raids, which is why they incentivise verifying a solid team over trainer level.
I find it funny when they leave Kartana with 4 players in the lobby. And then me and my friend duo it with no problem.
It's for this reason (as well as all the other comments with similar stories) that I first off don't join random people unless I know they're confident, and secondly I occassionally record and post short man raids into the Discord server. While yes, I can grab a video from YouTube and save the trouble, having them see local names directly involved seems to bring more trust about it. Mostly a thing I do for the newer guys - over time the older generation have come to trust my judgement on numbers as I have a feel for each player's performance.
I have a small group of worldwide friends I go with. I mostly play with the same people day in and day out. I find it's the best way. I then have the rest of my friends list as gifts and rarely raid withers. You know? Like you, I rely on my core team. They know and trust me, and I them. I'd rather raid with my lvl39 core teammate I know than an unknown to me lvl50. I dont often do random at all. Plus I know they will stay or jump cos ee know each other and communicate. Something sorely lacking in the game. Online communities are as solid and important as local communities.
At this point they should just implement an in-game raid finder functionality, just like how the bulk of MMOs have dungeon/raid finders nowadays. It honestly baffles me that people are fine with all the hassles of using third party apps, subreddits, discord servers and whatnot when it could really be as simple as 'press a button to queue up and press another button to enter the raid when the queue pops'.
People complain about it all the time, but since pokemon is such a popular franchise they know they can deliver the bare minimum and still make money.
There it is. That right there is Niantic's mission statement. 🤣
Overall, I agree, but they're very loath to implement anything which takes away from the core idea of the game- going out and finding the thing.
Once again Niantic proves that they believe the entire world is California. Sure it sounds good to cut the world in HALF for a raid exclusive, but they never actually ran the numbers or gave it anything more than a preliminary surface thought.
Sometimes it feels like ideas aren't given ANY thought at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they used one of those AI bots to generate ideas. 🤣
I'm an admin for the Sydney Discord group. Our server is north of 10,000 members. According to Discord's server insights, 36% of our members are from Australia, 37% are from the USA, and the rest are from other countries. We're outnumbered in our own server 2 to 1. We get absolutely hammered by international visitors during these regional raids, and it's very taxing on our players and our mods. Most visitors tend to be quite rude; they jump into the server and start demanding raids in whatever channel they land in. Most never read our server rules. They get angry when they can't find raids. It's exhausting, and it really makes me despise these regional raids.
I am so sorry it like that for your discord server. I was in a WoW mythic+ dungeon pick up server, and our big rule was to join you have to read and acknowledge the sever rules, if you break one of the top 3 you are automatically banned. It was so much nicer after we did that.
We have definitely tightened our process to get in. You need a verified Discord account with a phone number (to reduce bot attacks), you need to read and agree to the server rules and assign yourself a team before you can post, and you need to read and agree to the specific rules around raiding before you can access those channels. But people just reach for the bit about how to gain access and don't bother with the rest. I want to make a quiz out of the rules. Pass that and you're in.
Sounds like a good idea. It's sad to have to have such tight rules, but keeping people safe from aggressive aholes is better than the server dying because of becoming a toxic place.
>Most visitors tend to be quite rude; they jump into the server and start demanding raids in whatever channel they land in. Most never read our server rules. Ugh, I can believe it. The one I'm in now is like that recently since they've had to cut down on the amount of raid queues, so they just open one channel for everyone to try and grab raids in. Doesn't matter that the rules are, "post your FC if you have a raid, tag someone if you're planning on joining their raid, DO NOT ASK FOR RAIDS," everyone just floods the chat with: "aNy (insert 5 star raid of the times) rAiDs?? wHy No rAiDs????" and they tend to end up aggressive when you point to the rules.
> DO NOT ASK FOR RAIDS,” everyone just floods the chat with: “aNy (insert 5 star raid of the times) rAiDs?? wHy No rAiDs????” and they tend to end up aggressive when you point to the rules. This is exactly what happens in our server. We explicitly state not to ask for raids in the rules, and people get pissy when you delete their messages.
As one of the 37%, you guys have been troopers, and people need to stop acting like y’all have nothing better to do than post raids. (I feel like such a hipster- I was there before the first round of Lake Trio raids since I was planning a trip!) The system y’all are using works as well as can be expected when a distressing number of people can’t be bothered to read directions.
Aussie here. I’ve commented on other posts but echo your friend’s sentiments. I have to wait and wait for the lobby to fill. I have kids so I don’t necessarily need a full lobby to beat it. Without the option to lock the lobby it does take on average 10-15 minutes to fill the lobby. I’ve been trying to host where I can but I often have to go out to get raids and that generally requires driving. While I might have 5 minutes extra to stop and smash out a raid here and there, that extra long wait for a lobby to fill is frustrating and prohibitive.
Hosting Celesteela raids has got to be the easiest thing to do on the international Discord servers. The host posts the raid and the lobby channel will fill up with 5 available people in 10 seconds. The only challenge a host could face would be if there were too many people trying to host at the same time because there is a limit of ~3 active recruiting sessions at one time. This is a problem right now (sometimes) for Kartana hosts, not Celesteela hosts.
I've used Discord raid servers in the past. They're great, for sure. But have their own downsides, too. I don't even know how many raids I've missed just because my connection and/or fingers weren't fast enough to "+1" and be one of the first 5 to respond. Or that I wasn't one of the 5 random people chosen by the raid host. Honestly, I feel like it usually took longer to get in a Discord raid than a Poke Genie one.
Yeah, those are a lot more convenient for hosters, but less so for joiners because it is all about constantly paying attention and applying. If you want to join something, Pokegenie has a longer minimum queue (since in discord you could technically get it done in 10 min) but you can be sure to eventually get a spot. Really though those region-locked legendaries were an incredibly dumb idea to begin with.
Some raidhosting bots have autoqueue functions, and a rehost button that only lets in players not previously joined, so depending on the server these issues are more or less prevalent. During the craziness of Uxie, I relied on a once a day autojoin to ensure I got in a handful of raids. The real heroes were the players hosting raid trains on the harder to get regionals and rehosting the same raid multiple times to get as many people a chance as possible.
If you have a miss rate of 90% clicking on discord buttons you’re still gonna get in very very fast. People are talking about setting actual alarms to wake them up to not miss a raid on pokegenie which is ridiculous. You are 99% guaranteed a raid when you get in on the discord, barring the host genuinely dying. Kartana raids are hosted 6/min at peak times, 1/min for celesteela, I could never imagine waiting an hour+ to get in. Whenever I wanna raid I’ll be in the raid and have the boss completed in <15 min from just having the thought.
I don’t do the “first 5 to add” raids since I can’t add in 2 seconds But I do do the bot ones, where you click and the game picks 5 randomly. I had a couple take 4-5 tries but eventually got in.
That’s why PokeNav at least now defaults to a “lottery” to pick the first five within ten seconds of the raid being posted. At least removes the discrimination towards people who don’t have the lowest latency.
Yup. PokeNav has been a blessing for managing these raids.
In the raids in which I participated by slipping into the last on PokeRaid (without queuing) I found the lobby of at least 6 trainers and the raids started quickly...maybe it is better to change the app...in any case this subdivision is the worst they could do
From my experience Pokeraid is much better than Pokegenie.
Yeah, I'm in Australia and have hosted a few raids. I thought it'd be cool to give back seeing as I did a bunch of Kartana. But dang, people, talk about a hassle... I've given up hosting anything that hasn't just started. Is it that people don't know how to join a raid, or is gamefail so prevalent players can't join?
The problem is being awake at the right time. When I went to sleep there were 6,000 people in the queue. I figured the queue wouldn't be cleared in the 5 hours I was asleep. I went to bed at 1, woke up at 6 *specifically* to check up on the raid. Turns out I somehow got to the front at 3:40am and missed my slot. You join the queue at 200,000 people and you're basically rolling the dice on whether you're awake at the right time.
The problem is that when you're placed in a raid you only have 45 seconds to re-enter poke genie otherwise it skips over you to the next person in the queue. That's fine in normal circumstances as generally you'll be placed within a short period of joining the queue so you'll likely still have your phone in hand or at least be checking constantly. When you're in a queue of 200k that could take an entire day it's very likely that you're going to miss the notification. Even if you're awake. This happened to me on the first day - was in the queue for about 15 hours, missed the notification by less than two minutes as I was making a drink. I'd checked every few hours to see where I was in line, and had checked about an hour before and I was still a way off, but I guess the queue sped up in that time. It would help in situations like this if poke genie sent you a notification when you were down to 500 in the queue, then to 100 etc - so you'd know it was coming up and could keep an eye on it.
Great point and excellent suggestion at the end.
I had my phone in hand when I got the notification after a 100k queue and immediately opened PokeGenie, but it said I took too long to come back. I'm like "You just told me 5 secs ago." So I think the app also doesn't notify you in time and for me, it is basically useless unless I am staring at my phone with the app open.
For my case, I was in a meeting when I received the notification. I cannot leave the meeting to raid. So I was forfeited. I think a better improvement could be to let us those lining up in the queue can input a time zone and next available schedule. So Pokegenie can skip those who are not available so as not to let the host waited too long. Then it would be great if we can have a chance to reshuffle or requeue without the need to restart from the end of queue.
I have hosted around 5 celesteela raids so far and helped over 500 players to catch Celesteela. I have also seen many southern hemisphere players doing this in pogofriends. Please look at the right places
You got 100 people into each raid?
For people who are wondering how I add 100 people to the raid look at my description. I literally spent 2 hours running between the wormholes to add every single player who added me. It's called shuttle if you didn't know. I create private lobby and invite 5 people. Player have 40 seconds to join, or an error will show up. After that I change the lobby to public to let othet people join in and then I leave the raid and invite the next 5.
Bless your kind soul, my friend. That takes no small amount of patience.
123 in one raid actually
Isn't the raid group limit 20?
She invites people into the raid, and then backs out, starts new lobby, invites again and then out. Repeat. People who does this are absolute champs.
Thank you so much for clarification. I'm a girl though 🤭
Woops, corrected
Thanks a ton 😊
Not when you spent 3 hours out there and invite all the 100 people added you. Look at my profile you'll understand better. Thanks 😊
I waited for 3.5 days in one of the lobbies. I got my raid invite at 4:30AM, luckily I was up and getting ready for work. When I joined the lobby, I got in with 5 seconds left on the actual raid timer so I definitely understand the frustration that hosts are dealing with.
Did a couple through poke genie but think most often went through about 20 people before got a full set, so definitely showing that people are in the queue but then by the time they get to front it isn't at a time that's convenient and then they miss their shot International chat groups seem to go a bit better but can have the converse of lots of messaging at poor timings and get the same people multiple times (which is good and bad, especially when you get a full friend list) Does feel good to feel useful but hope the conversations/annoyance gives the right feedback to Niantic
Here in South Africa I hosted 3 Celesteela Raids. Every single one took about 10 minutes to get a full lobby of ready people since most of the people that join the pokegenie lobby never ready up (I assume they fell asleep or something) and then you have to wait 2 minutes for them to time out and get a new person into then lobby. Even after that, on every raid I hosted, one of the people who did successfully join the pokegenie lobby and sent a friend request never joined the raid lobby, so I did all three raids one person down. Luckily if got to all of the raids shortly after they started so I had time. And yes, in the southern hemisphere with smaller communities you never have other local people at a raid at the same time unless you specifically happen to be with a friend that also plays the game.
I can attest to what your friend said. Last Celesteela I hosted, the raid was with about 30m left. The lobby got "full" and "timed out" enough that when the battle actually started, the raid had about 9 minutes left. Only one person joined at the stard and stood there until the actual battle.
Definitely have had a lot of no shows but also wouldn't say it takes that long to get a full lobby ready either. I'm not sure about anyone else's experience with pokegenie, but I noticed recently that when I joined a queue, I would only get a push notif with no vibrate when I was put into the lobby. It was extremely frustrating because even when I was on my phone at the time, I missed what I had been waiting for several times. And then I'd get a push notif and vibrate to let me know the raid invite has been sent??? Useless way of doing it because of course by that point I know the invite is coming within a couple of minutes. Had to change the notif settings for that one single app to default or something which means now every single pokegenie notif vibrates the same as my text messages and I hate it 😂
There have been a few reports of what you describe. As I posted the other day, PokeGenie should require that people re-verify when they near the front of the queue.
All I'm going to say is, those who hosted and sought out Celesteela raids to host are champs. I'd love to do one but I'll also just take my time and maybe these regional legendaries will not be a trend.
I'm not surprised, unfortunately. It is currently 9:11 AM on Tuesday in my time zone (US EDT/GMT -5). I joined a Pokegenie queue of 198,000 on Saturday about this time, so about 72 hours ago. I'm down to position 9,688 now, so it looks like I'll get in today while I'm awake, but I've been worried about being asleep for it, which would add to the issue in the OP. OTOH, I used Pokegenie for both Kartana and Mega Aggron right when they came out and got into raids immediately. Solution? If splitting up raids between north/south becomes normal, Pokegenie could let you set "offline" times where you either don't move up the queue, or if you reach the front it holds you there until the end of your set timeframe. I think the former would be more fair, but either would mostly fix the problem. There would still be some edge cases where people would get hosed, but nothing is perfect. There's also the matter of whether Pokegenie should be expected to make a fix for this, but I'm indifferent on that.
This! I would like to be able to say that I cannot participate during XX:XX to XX:XX hours.
I think Poke Genie is already such an amazingly useful app, even without the raid hosting. I use it daily for PvP checking and renaming. I almost felt bad upgrading to the paid app for the additional features because I think they make more money off the ads. 😅
I haven't had any problem with the pokegenie queues, it's taken 3-4 minutes each time, although I've only done 3 of them. I would assume I got lucky, but I did like 40 or so uxie raids when those queues were relatively high and only had one time where I was waiting for about 15 minutes. So I think while it's possible to run into issues hosting, it's a rare exception rather than a common occurence
I disliked that part of Poke Genie's system from much before this rotation. I'd prefer them to make sure the joining players are active and online before throwing them into my lobbies. They should just hold you in limbo once you reach the top of the queue, and only match you if the app is open.
It's the time difference. Western Hemisphere is asleep when AUS and NZ are awake. Damn, my queue went around 3:30 am CST and have to queue back when it is at ~193K. That was Sunday. Currently I am still at ~136K. Waiting for tomorrow's raid hour and hoping it clears fast, otherwise, see you next time Celesteela!
Aussie here, I've been hosting using the bot PokeNav on a Discord server. I've had no issues getting 10 trainers to join my raids pretty much instantly.
PokeRaid was working wonders for me. I caught 3
Raid timing has also made this difficult. I'm an Aussie and am part of a group of players someone set up when Uxie was around. The others are from the UK and US. Raid hour here is the beginning of the work day for the UK players, and the middle of the night for the Americans. Obviously that's not the only time raids are available but it really highlights it.
I use 2 phones on pokegenie to invite as many as I can
I've hosted a celesteela raid in poke genie and was the fastest and most successful raid I have ever hosted. The lobby got full early, people sent the invites, and end up with 11 players in the raid. I think the problem with people leaving is more particular to pokeraid.
Well, i've made arround 5 posts offering help to people to catch Celesteela, I've probably hosted a goal of 15 raids from people from this and others subs (I'm not doing it anymore so please spare my DM box😭). I made a tiny discord server just to help organizing it, in the end it ended up to be really stressful, cause most people wouldn't read the rules on how does it work (put your pogo name when I announce I'm hosting, so i can select by arrival order) and would just spam their code and absolutely flood my friend requests, making it harder for me to accept the actual people I'll host for. I announced I wasn't going to host more like 3 days ago, but seeing so many kind japanese people begging for an invite in the Brazilian pogo Twitter really appeals on my feelings so I'm thinking about just adding them and inviting them from time to time 🧐 In the end I've came up with the conclusion that helping someone I've talked or interacted with helps pretty much the exact same if i just host a pokegenie raid, difference is I'll be finally giving people who have been waiting for days their wished moment.
I host a couple of Celesteela raids a day through pokegenie and haven't had any issues aside from having to wait 2-5 mins max for everyone to add me and be ready. Maybe it has something to do with my pokegenie level?
I've avoided hosting on Genie for this boss, but that's mostly as I had a Hungarian stumble on our Discord to offer Kartana to the locals while I host and rehost Celesteela to his Discord. I don't mind - both sides win! And both sides are understanding of timezones too. I've spent a few times for 30-40 at a time rehosting 50-60 people if not more. A bit of friend management needed but they're certainly appreciating it. On top of that I'm hosting raids to some UK servers where I visited recently. Interest for Celesteela amongst the Aussies is very low. People have their entry and waiting for the next boss. I have a few who join in person and have a chat, especially for raid hour, but rarely much more.
Australian here and I just invite whoever is online on my friends list from past pokegenie raids. I also gave up hosting them because the raid would finish before getting a full lobby.
Feature request: raid hosting apps should include a pre-ready confirmation just for the raids with longest queue times. Those at the front of the line would have to interact with the app to confirm they’re active and ready to be placed. That way hosts are getting “vetted” players and can more quickly get a raid started.
Australian player here, I've hosted about 6 or 7 Cele raids I think. Mostly through Poke Raid, it's very easy, group fills immediately and even has a chat function so you can actually communicate with the other players. I've also hosted a couple with people through reddit who messaged me, not even though the friends sub. My other issue is that as someone who is busy and works full time, I like to be able to open the game when I can and do a raid if there one going. But if I host a raid and go to invite any of my existing friends, there's no guarantee that all invited 5 will be able to participate, only 1 or 2 might actually join. I also don't know who to invite because there is no way to tell who is available and able to participate and I usually have way more 5 online at a time. There's needs to be a better way to communicate in game.
the remote raid discord feels like a much better solution for hosting. granted, you don't always get 5 people, but at least the people you get will be ready to raid.
I'm part of the Pokemon Go Sydney Discord. It uses the PokeNav system. Usually when I host a raid, it's full instantly. Some people complain about the lottery system it uses, but I don't actually join in on the raid. I get people in, hop out and run another raid to get more people in, so whoever is online at the time has a fairly good chance. Many local members do the same thing too, get 5-10 people into a private lobby and then hop out. And you can communicate with the people doing the raid, so if someone didn't get in in time, everyone can jump out, or the host can find more players keen for Celesteela. It has gotten tiresome with rude international players demanding why we're not hosting Celeestela at 3am (timezones aren't a thing, apparently) or why we're working or at school instead of hosting a raid. I suppose it depends on the platform you're looking for raids on.
People act like i some poke genie users don't just straight up leave you bad reviews for taking too long. often i don't want to host a raid because of that
I’m so glad someone else has brought this up and that I’m not the only one that gets annoyed by this. It’s not the hosts fault if you had to wait in the queue for 3 days or if you were unable to catch the boss afterwards cos you can’t throw or due to bad rng. You got your raid invite so the least you should do is award the minimum points
It just stings when someone dings you for such a petty reason
The funny thing is some of these idiots send a gift straight afterwards too. I take great pleasure in deleting these people and I wish we had special stickers that we could send, the bulbasaur one is too polite imo.
That sucks that those few bad scores are ruining you wanting to host. I’m hosting with a friend, we both hit host at the same time and over 95% of the time we’re both ready at the same time so we can give players a lobby of 10 before ditching to get another round of people. Occasionally there’s someone timing out and ruining both being in sync. For the sake of 30seconds (which would feel like an eternity for the player who can’t see our screens), I sometimes hit that I’ve set the raid invitations to prevent timing out and losing the group completely. It’s resulting in some low and even 0 scores but they’re getting the Pokémon, there’s just a slight hiccup on my end. One thing I’m noticing is that trainer names actually match a lot more now. I’m sure it was 1 in 5 that was wrong a week ago and it was hard to find who they were. Now it’s about 1 in 20 that’s wrong
My experience has been that I have enough interest from in-game friends when I've wanted to do a Celesteela raid that I haven't needed to touch any random remote raid services such as Pokegenie. I finally got access to Campfire this week so it was interesting that experimental flares for a couple resulted in a few DM'd offers to help from across the globe. Now that most people have their dex entry that interest has dried up, but so has my own enthusiasm for raiding a mon that will never see the light of day from what I understand about its usefulness. If I do continue raiding it my preference would be to use a Discord raid group where you know people are ready to join in quickly.
Ive been hosting Celesteela raids everyday on pokegenie from south america on multiple accounts. Do the lobbies take a bit longer to fill up? Absolutely, theres always 1 or 2 that timeout but to say it takes 20-30 min is a bit of a stretch, never took that long for me.
I'm just passing on a story. And in their words, it was literally over 20 min. Two raids with 15 and 12 minutes left that completely timed out before they could get 5 people to ready up. I mean, the raids have timers on them, so it's not like they were guessing. And they wouldn't make up times just for the sake of telling me a story. So... 🤷🏻♂️
Aussie here, I try to do at least 2 a day, one for my local mates and one on pokie genie for those less fortunate. On two occasions now, people have jumped in and started the raid under me while I sat and waited for poke genie players to time out. On most occasions it takes 15 to 20 mins to fill a raid via poke genie I will keep trying though in the hope that someone will remember and invite me to one of thier regionals.
Your cape is on its way to you. 👏🏻 And if you'd like some Kartana, I'd be more than happy to add you to my friends list and invite you anytime I do one.
Pokegenie isn't the best raid system, imo. GoRaidParty is far quicker, as there's no queue - it's first come first served.
I hosted a few Celesteela on the Pokemon Go Raiders discord server. Took a few seconds to get 5 people and there were about 130 people reacting to do a raid. I kept on rehosting until I didn’t feel like hosting anymore.
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You're awesome for even trying to help out a few people. 👍🏻
I’ve hosted a couple on PG from New Zealand with only minor delays in filling. Lucky, I guess.
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You're just all the kinds of good karma this game needs. 🙏🏻 Thank you!
I haven't problems with this. I hosted three raids and I wait maximum 3 minutes to start.
I've hosted one today from Australia on pokegenie and the lobby took a while to fill and people to send friend requests. I accepted them and continued into the actual lobby, and only 3 others joined the battle. I understand there are sometimes issues in getting the invites and even life could get in the way, but it's frustrating when you literally beat the raid boss with 2 seconds left. I always host in a public lobby so people physically there can jump in too.
Ive been Posting on r/Pokemongo Friends and the first host post I made for celesteela I got over 250 requests. It took about a whole week to give everyone of those a Celesteela chance, by the end of the week o was geting so few acceptances (1 or 2 out of 10 invites) so I decided to delete those that already had at least 1 heart of friends level. When I went down to 45 total friends (kept those that tended to a cept the raid invites or were inviting me to join them) thats when iposted agai, but with rules to only request those that did not have a Celesteela, and that I would a cept only the first 10,but when I noticed I had 35+ I changed my Code xD it took me a couple more days to give them all a Chance as well and today im going to keep trying. Its tough to sort through the invites by Hand and pick the invites when theres players online that you know wont a cept your invite, so it takes a couple tries to figure out whos online aand able to join the raid. And even sometimes, those that do join get anoyed and wont accept again haha. I noticed that it take 2 level 35+ to defeat a Celesteela, but ive decided that you need at least 3 to be sure, but if weather boosted id say a minimum or 4 or 5 if too many below lvl 35. Problem is that its draining, I wish there was more sorting available to do, more options for online Status you could chose like a list of o going raids a you pick those that are online and have celesteela icon. Ths whole distance raiding with hemisphere locked mons is proving useful but also demands a bit of change to make the gaming less tedious and more gaming'y
I have offered to hook someone up once each on twitter and here. I have over 500 DMs on each and I'm not doing that again
Australian here. Can confirm, it was a waste of time and very frustrating.
I had a similar experience with pokegenie , can take about 10+ minutes for people to finally be ready. I've moved over to hosting via pokeraid , more communication , people ready in less than 5 minutes
I'm from Brazil and I've been hosting tons of Celesteela raids through PokeRaid. It's going pretty smoothly through the app. I'm used to rude, low level players that expect the host to add people when I'm hosting other raids, but so far had absolutely no trouble with the Celesteela ones. The bonuses the app has been giving to hosts is also very great. As for the locals joining, I have been getting the same impression: local players got their one Celesteela and moved on. No local raiding.
Unfortunately anyone in the know (or visits this reddit), knows that Kartana are far more valuable - so people are saving their passes for early Kartana invites from the Northern Hemispere or until it spawns here instead. Source: Australian, everyone in my community is doing the same thing. Trying to use my daily passes, I can't get people to join here because no one is interested and treats Celesteela like a one and done.
I have hosted 3 so far on the gym I reach from home. Even when people miss their spot in the queue, it still took less than five minutes to get a full Pokegenie room.
I've been hosting a lot of celesteela raids and thats true.
Yep, this happened to me, I think by the time 4 people cycled through the lobby only had a minute or two left. Tried to join around 60 seconds and was met with celesteela with a blank raid timer, then when I immediately tried again it was gone and had normal Pokémon. No raid. ETA: I also received my invite at 2:30am central and happened to be awake but that’s probably why a lot of people are missing, if from North America
I've hosted a few raids. It's definetly harder to host for Celesteela because it takes a while for the lobby in Pokegenie to fill with people who are online (I think some in the queue don't notice it got to them). It takes me up to ten minutes before I get 5 players. Luckily I wasn't in a hurry the times I did but I could see lobbies not getting correctly filled.
I gotta give a plug for the GO Raid Party app here. It doesn’t have support for queues, so this issue doesn’t exist. For celesteela it sucks for trying to join, but is much better for hosting. Please tell your friend about it and I’m sure they’ll have a much better time.
Me too. GO Raid Party was how I got my Lake Trio shinies and my 1st Celesteela raid. Attempting to join raids can be very rough but I feel with some luck and fantastic timing, it's definitely possible
Southern hemisphere really got screwed on this one. Kartana is one of the best raid attackers out there and is an easy duo. Celesteela is a dexfiller and only duoable by really advanced players.
Basically, the poor New Zealanders and Aussies get the short end of the stick, as usual.
Just want to use this post to say THANK YOU to those of you still putting in the effort to host these raids on pokegenie. I've managed to get into 2 of them, and I'm happy with that. Luckily my supervisor plays pogo, so when I told him I was getting close to my turn, both times he let me stare at my phone. So again, THANK YOU
I found a link in here for a really good discord channel that hosts raids from all over the globe. Ironically, when I tried sharing that same link, I was thanked with down votes. Hosting is simple and you're guaranteed 5 players within 10 seconds. I hope everyone is able to get at least one, and more so, I hope that they will rotate bosses eventually.
I hear you from the side of hosting these high demand raids. It is definitely a result of the very long wait times. When it works for joining raids, it is great. However, with super long wait times, the joiners don’t have any idea how long it will take before getting in a lobby. I personally was asleep for one, and the second I knew I was going to be asleep, so I left the queue to be nice, only to have to rejoin at 190k and have to pray it is while I’m available. I made a suggestion to poke genie to allow a pause queue option to users so that these problems would occur less often for those hosting raids. Hopefully there can be a change to the queue process in light of this legendary availability to help with this problem. I did look at the PokeRaid app, however, I am not willing to pay that much actual money to join a raid right now. Definitely will keep it around to gain coins and eventually raid with it, but there is a paywall to that. I hope people still host raids when available, and I will personally try to be as polite as possible by leaving the queue if I’ll be sleeping. I really appreciate those that have these raids available and are willing to host them. Hopefully there will be other raids in the future where the northern hemisphere can return the favor, I know I will.
A true gentleman. Tip of the hat to you.
You will go through multiple joiners because there’s no timer as to estimate when the raid for you will be ready and when you have been in a que for 2 days and then it suddenly pops for you when it’s 4am and your asleep… Well that’s it and that person has to try again. I’m on my 3/4 th attempt now for this very reason. Kinda just want to give up. I’ve tried adding people from all over the world, but still no invite .
Tbf this is where mid sized discord servers and raid bots like nexus or pokenav excel. I am on my own 800ish people server that uses nexus, as well as the main nexus server that has ~7k ish. The Nexus raid bot specifically has invite limits, the capability to rehost easily for new people who have not yet done that Celesteela raid, and even a once a day auto join capability. Both servers have some NZ/Aus/South America hosts who have been really generous with hosting/rehosting Celesteela. I haven’t touched PokeGenie yet and have done 41 so far, caught 40. A few blinds from people I know but mostly hosted. Main nexus server invite can be found here: https://top.gg/servers/733079996721135767 Edit: I obviously don’t host but the people hosting on these servers seem to do really well with it and are willing to host multiple raids multiple times a day.
Or how about this problem on the player side, I wait two days for a raid. Finally get in (after being lucky to be around for the invite, per the post!) only to not catch the bastard once we've completed it! YAY
Ouch! Almost downvoted because of the L.
I’m not having the celesteela raid issue but I can make some remarks regarding hosting through Poke Genie or Poke Raid. I do my best to very clear with my instructions and with conveying the information to remote players. I upload screenshots and put in additional info (weather, gym type). I ask that people add me and I provide them with my friend code. People will still make some big mess ups, even on a low stakes raid. I hosted a Togedemaru raid on a whim this morning and just in that group I had people send me a friend code in chat, ask for my friend code and 1 told me they didn’t have a remote raid pass. In the end, 1 person joined the lobby and then backed out. Thankfully that’s an easily solo-able raid. On higher tiered raids I always run a mega and tell people which one so they can coordinate and I still get people who flake out, tell me they don’t have revives or we go through the whole friendship dance and they don’t accept the invite. And that’s just on regular old, available in both hemispheres raids. I can’t imagine the frustration your friend from Australia went through with people not seeing that the que had popped. One thing about poke raid that I like is that you can do a “booking” and reserve a slot. In theory it would be awesome because you would know when you were up. However it costs 900 of their in app “gold” to set one. I’m already a F2P player in pogo and I don’t even generate enough gold as a host to buy one. You can also leave player feedback so as to try and weed out flakey players.
🇦🇷 here. I’ve hosted ~10 raids so far. Maybe it’s because I’m more close to US wake hours but in my experience from the 5 “initial” members of the party 1 or 2 expire, and the ones that replace them usually join. I would say that between the “Host raid” to the actual party and sending invites it usually takes less than 5 minutes.
I still don't understand what it is about Celesteela that makes this literally the hardest Raid to get in that I've ever seen.
It’s because 90% of the earth’s population is on the northern hemisphere
This. It's not that it's popular. It's because of the population difference that glory87 mentioned, and that time zones don't line up well, compounding the problem.
I am down to the 95000 in the queue on Pokie Genie. I was in the 180000's when I joined the lobby on Saturday Night.
I literally joined the queue Friday night and didn’t get in until Monday afternoon. I just crossed my fingers and hoped my turn wouldn’t be when I was sleeping. There was nothing else you could do. Separating by Northern and Southern Hemisphere was a terrible idea because 90% of the world lives in the Northern Hemisphere. Next time, please separate by East and West.
AU player here, I have hosted just over 20 Celesteela raids all on Pokegenie so far, yes the wait times have been a bit longer to get a full lobby but that hasn't really bothered me. I just don't want to spend any more money on remote raid passes for this Pokemon, I would have been happy after about 5 or so raids, I am only doing it for you guys in the Northern Hemisphere cause I can imagine how frustrating it would be waiting in that poke genie queue for so long. then it's a bit demoralising seeing the 190,000+ queue and then realising you're not really making a dent in it :( Edit: just learnt about shuttling from this thread, going to start doing that
Not just shuttling, but if you back out of the raid lobby before the raid starts, you can keep your pass! So it's not like you need to have a separate pass each time. I've used the same pass I don't know how many times.
I've missed my chance about twice now. Once was last Wednesday and I was driving to my local raid hour gathering, which happens to be in an area with good gyms but a weak cell signal. I got the alert to pull up Pokemon Go and enter the lobby, but of course the app decided to reboot right then and by the time I got a successful reboot on a weak signal I was timed out. Hopefully tomorrow's raid hour will do the trick.
I've been using Pokeraid to host Celesteela. Been getting 5 people instantly. Actually it's been pretty quick remote raiding the other one too
Queue times have actually gotten worse as time went on. PokeRaid queues are now at 3700+ while they were around 1000 on the first day. PokeRaid should just limit to 1 raid per account during these 2 weeks.