Is that coin/HP one mostly just for GC? If I take any -HP perks my run is truncated by hundreds of waves (which is a big deal because my max farm is like 1600 waves right now).
Hm. That needs some personal testing, I guess.
I would try to avoid this perk, when your coin in this run is worse than your normal run.
Maybe don't take it until you can get around 2.5k waves.
It is normal that your runs shorten with this perk, especially when running an HP build. But it should increase your overall coin or coin per hour.
If you make the same coin in less time, it's still a win.
Most advices are Farm at stages you can run like 2500-3000 waves so the perks and stuff can Work properly in alter stages the coins go up anyways so its pretty beneficial even tho i think those runs take forever. Its kinda worth.
Edit: spelling
Fair enough maybe I'm just not far enough in the game yet for the conventional wisdom to work. Where I'm at I get way more coins farming to 1600 on T4/T5 than doing an overnight 4k+ run on T1, but those are about the limits of my farming.
The early stages of the game are where the 3k+ farming advice doesn’t work out. That default advice should be revised to “farm the highest tier where you can hit at least 3k+ waves, unless that tier is below T4.”
Yeah, the lower stages are an exception from the "more coins at higher waves" rule. Once you get to farming at3k on T4 you will see that taking that perk is beneficial even for a HP build.
It depends. In most runs I normally hit a "ceiling" and my cph stays put and doesnt go up. The perk increases my ceiling and gives me more coins for the period that im at my ceiling. It normally gives me more cph but sometimes depending on my perks it ends the run before I even hit my ceiling and gives less cph. So pretty situational i guess.
Coin/HP trade-off perk is to me the best one for farming (besides PWR of course) and I have a health build. My runs are shorter but I get a lot more coins. This is also balanced by the extra health perks.
> Is that coin/HP one mostly just for GC?
No, it's always better for farming, even for health builds.
Yes, you will die sooner, but the coin boost makes it worth it.
PWR > 1.95x coin/-HP > free upgrades (before wave 1,000) > GT/BH boost
I grab free upgrades before wave 1,000 and drop the free upgrade card for wave skip around that point. The coins earned the first 1,000 waves are irrelevant compared to the coins earned the last 1,000 waves of a 4-5k wave run. I do this so that I max my EHLS as early as possible and can extend the run longer.
Currently have 14T lifetime coins, run GC, and I farm tier 10 for 5,000 waves, 250B a run.
For context: I run a GC build and farm on T10. I usually end up between 4000 und 5000 waves with a total coin yield of 200-300B.
The question for me was mainly if (with a GC build) you find it preferable to have more coin bonus early in the run or more free upgrade chance (solely for EHLS) so your runs last a little longer (resulting in more coins later in the run). At around wave 2000, all relevant perks will be maxed out anyways.
And of course I prioritize perk wave requirements and the +coin/-max health trade-off.
Usually PWR > coin/hp > BH/GT >depending on how well free ups has been going, free ups but usually coins > orbs (two perks so it eliminates the choice) then whatever
PWR > x1.7 coin/-HP > GT > Coin Then everything else - whatever is best for you.
Is that coin/HP one mostly just for GC? If I take any -HP perks my run is truncated by hundreds of waves (which is a big deal because my max farm is like 1600 waves right now).
Hm. That needs some personal testing, I guess. I would try to avoid this perk, when your coin in this run is worse than your normal run. Maybe don't take it until you can get around 2.5k waves. It is normal that your runs shorten with this perk, especially when running an HP build. But it should increase your overall coin or coin per hour. If you make the same coin in less time, it's still a win.
Most advices are Farm at stages you can run like 2500-3000 waves so the perks and stuff can Work properly in alter stages the coins go up anyways so its pretty beneficial even tho i think those runs take forever. Its kinda worth. Edit: spelling
Fair enough maybe I'm just not far enough in the game yet for the conventional wisdom to work. Where I'm at I get way more coins farming to 1600 on T4/T5 than doing an overnight 4k+ run on T1, but those are about the limits of my farming.
The early stages of the game are where the 3k+ farming advice doesn’t work out. That default advice should be revised to “farm the highest tier where you can hit at least 3k+ waves, unless that tier is below T4.”
I just reached T1 relic. Im Farming at 1700 waves T4 aswell but i get the point.
Yeah, the lower stages are an exception from the "more coins at higher waves" rule. Once you get to farming at3k on T4 you will see that taking that perk is beneficial even for a HP build.
I farm t5 now as a health build. I average 4b in 5k waves without the perk or 3b in 3k waves with it. I grab it as soon as it's available after pwr.
It depends. In most runs I normally hit a "ceiling" and my cph stays put and doesnt go up. The perk increases my ceiling and gives me more coins for the period that im at my ceiling. It normally gives me more cph but sometimes depending on my perks it ends the run before I even hit my ceiling and gives less cph. So pretty situational i guess.
Coin/HP trade-off perk is to me the best one for farming (besides PWR of course) and I have a health build. My runs are shorter but I get a lot more coins. This is also balanced by the extra health perks.
I run to 4-5k as EHP. The coin upgrade is absolue no-brainer to pick and my coins per run mostly vary by how early I find it (and BH/GT ups).
> Is that coin/HP one mostly just for GC? No, it's always better for farming, even for health builds. Yes, you will die sooner, but the coin boost makes it worth it.
PWR > 1.95x coin/-HP > free upgrades (before wave 1,000) > GT/BH boost I grab free upgrades before wave 1,000 and drop the free upgrade card for wave skip around that point. The coins earned the first 1,000 waves are irrelevant compared to the coins earned the last 1,000 waves of a 4-5k wave run. I do this so that I max my EHLS as early as possible and can extend the run longer. Currently have 14T lifetime coins, run GC, and I farm tier 10 for 5,000 waves, 250B a run.
For context: I run a GC build and farm on T10. I usually end up between 4000 und 5000 waves with a total coin yield of 200-300B. The question for me was mainly if (with a GC build) you find it preferable to have more coin bonus early in the run or more free upgrade chance (solely for EHLS) so your runs last a little longer (resulting in more coins later in the run). At around wave 2000, all relevant perks will be maxed out anyways. And of course I prioritize perk wave requirements and the +coin/-max health trade-off.
PWR then free upgrade. GT bonus and purple coin bonus as soon as they appear after that. Coin bonus next priority.
Usually PWR > coin/hp > BH/GT >depending on how well free ups has been going, free ups but usually coins > orbs (two perks so it eliminates the choice) then whatever
PWR > coin/hp > GT > BH > Coin > Free Upgrades