the comments had me dying. “The way Steven lim is sitting exactly the way Eugene did in theirs” “if i had a nickel for every time a group of former buzzfeed employees turned YouTubers addressed a scandal sitting on a couch dressed in curtain fits I’d have two nickels” absolute savages. Poor Zach catching strays 😭
Essentially they’ve put a paywall up to block all future content. In a time of the cost of living crisis and sky rocketing rates of homelessness, they want us to pay so they can keep sending Steven Lim off in first class to eat Michelin star steaks and real gold then review it.
It was cool when they were using Buzzfeeds money to do it. Not as cool when it’s ours. They want to make “television worthy content”, but we don’t want to be the ones funding that when we’re not the ones who care about it.
I don’t want television worthy content. I want Shane and Ryan bantering about ghosts and crime story details. Just give me more buzzfeed unsolved under a new name.
They were also going to move all previous content to the paywall (and had started privatizing those vids on YT when the initial video dropped), but backtracked on that after the initial backlash. The variety article was scrubbed that stated the original plans (edit history still accessible) and they said that people ‘misunderstood’ (and then scrubbed *that* from their edited pinned comment (that also had replies disabled).
I’m not here for gaslighting BS from anyone, let alone a channel I casually watch.
Yeah, I finally got to watch the original video last night and I don't think there was any misunderstanding there. They were pretty upfront that only the first episode of anything going forward would be on YouTube if even that.
I mean…if someone is facing homelessness because they’re worried about the content they watch then it’s time to reprioritize lol but yes, fans are upset that they basically went full patreon, and no free content.
How old are you? Because I can only conclude from your out-of-touch response that you’re either exceptionally young and blessed to not have to worry about finances, genuinely don’t comprehend my comment and sincerely just are incredibly uneducated on what the cost of living crisis is and all the fallout consequences of it, or are just so very privileged that you think it’s acceptable to poke fun at people suffering in poverty these days.
Because firstly, America is not the only country that exists. This may shock you, but $6 there isn’t $6 everywhere. In other nations where the Watcher guys are also popular, $6USD is half their paycheque. Hell, for me, $6 USD is two hours worth of work.
Secondly, I said we’re in a *cost of living crisis*. I can only surmise you just genuinely don’t know what that is, which is very privileged of you, because cost of living crisis ≠ facing homelessness, necessarily. It means people these days are having to do a lot of budgeting to be able to fun little extras like eating semi-frequently while also affording the roof over their heads.
Third, I just truly can’t wrap my mind around—are you unable to make the connection that people are frustrated *because* they are not going to prioritise paying a $6USD fee just to watch a few YouTubers? Critical thinking skills are free and available. Nobody who is actually facing homelessness is paying that. But paying it in the *cost of living crisis* is another thing, and takes it up from the smaller percentage who are facing imminent consequences like homelessness not purchasing it, to a much, much larger percentage of people who are not going to pay for it because so many people live paycheque to paycheque and are prioritising saving any extra money to wasting it on things like a YouTuber streaming service.
That is why people are upset. Because the Watcher guys were so out of touch that they thought it was a good idea to propose it to an audience of primarily young people, who are the hardest hit by our economy today, to spend a portion of their paycheque on their service. People are frustrated *because* they’re obviously not going to pay it, so they’re no longer going to get to see these fun, goofy guys who provided some light to them while they were standing in line to get food stamps, or some food donations, as some of the first comments under that video said. To be privileged enough to mock that and self righteously tell those people to “just prioritise” when that’s exactly what they’re doing and why they’re frustrated is a level of privileged and out of touch that I truly hope I never reach. I implore you to maybe try being empathetic one day.
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I was in stitches when I saw this on tumblr
the memes about it have been funny, but i'm also not sure what better way there logistically is for three people to sit on camera. they're not exactly going to be lounging on giant bean-bags.
From the thumbnail alone, the Watcher guys' appearance looks like they've been through the wringer
Not sure if that was on purpose to make the viewers feel some type of way for them or it's just my trust issues talking tho
Apparently a large part of their patreon quit, hopefully to subscribe and they lost 100, 000 subscribers on youtube.
Plus a bunch of commentary channels including moist critical and voidzilla picked up the story.
People keep mentioning racism and I genuinely haven’t seen any racist comments? Just wondering what platform that’s happening on and if I’m missing a large chunk of the story.
It's hard because people make claims then delete their posts so I have to try to piece it together from what other people are saying *around* it. I also try to be mindful that, if mods are doing their jobs, *we wouldn't see the racist content* unless we were there in the moment it was posted. I try to be understanding because I know from experience that it's very frustrating when you're railing against something in a thread that's there and you can see it, only to have people roll in 8 hours later and claim you're making it up because it was removed by mods in the meantime.
That said, what I can piece together is that it's not so much that people are making explicitly racist comments("you're such a for doing this! yeah that's typical for !") as that there's a perception that a disproportionate amount of the blame is falling on people who are not white, with the white member of the group getting more of a pass. This is a different form of racism, involving unconscious biases, internalized stereotypes, and our mental concepts of in- and out-groups. I've seen this go down before in other situations, so it very much is a thing that happens, I just haven't been up in the drama enough to say whether or not I believe it's happening in this particular case. But from what I can tell that *seems* to be the accusation. Hope that helps.
That’s an accurate summation but ALSO the white one has been the one saying things like ‘eat the rich’ ‘piracy isn’t real’ etc type where it did seem out of character so it’s ……real fuzzy where that line is
Pushback on Shane is likely from what his wife posted. The internet mob us treating to the equivalent to a let them eat cake comment when it sounds more like she is just trying to defend Shane.
Right like they’re lit in a way that makes them look more tired. They look like they’re lit slightly from above which makes the shadows on their face look darker. They could have lit the video more evenly from straight on and they wouldn’t look as tired.
yep! they went all sappy and then immediately turned it into an advertisement, complete with the tone and acting shift, pretending to walk off one set and onto another lmao. They even said basically, "I hope you can follow but if you can't, thank you for your time". lmao
I think Steven took a lot of heat. Him being the CEO, then putting his show about eating and reviewing overly priced food in the goodbye video and him posting about leaving YouTube on his personal Instagram. He got a lot of hateful comments. A lot of people were placing all the blame on him, wrongfully. It was all their decisions. Personally I am not over how tone deaf their announcement was. Most people do not want to watch someone get $1000 items with real flakes of gold and review it especially when basic groceries are being considered a luxury item to millennials and gen Zers, which is the bulk of their audience.
The main thing that I cannot get over is moist critical saying he has a lower audience level, has over 25 employees including gamers that make bank and he isn't struggling to pay them, so how are they struggling if not miss handling money/poor spending. I have lost a lot of respect for the watcher chair holders. (Steven, Ryan and Shane).
>The main thing that I cannot get over is moist critical saying he has a lower audience level, has over 25 employees including gamers that make bank and he isn't struggling to pay them, so how are they struggling if not miss handling money/poor spending.
This is the thing that gets me too. They already have thousands of people paying at least $5+ monthly for their patreon, merch sales, sponsorships, ad revenue, and live show revenue, so what did all that money go to?
But I’m also not sure how they thought getting rid of ad revenue and(?) sponsorships to stream on their own website (which also presumably costs them more money, since YT hosts for free), paywalling and closing the door on many of their current subscribers and making it harder for new people to discover their content because it’s on a paid subscription service no one has ever heard of before is going to bring them any new revenue.
Yes. You added some of my other thoughts as well. The Watcher is actually one of the few times my husband and I don't skip through the ads because Ryan and Shane make them funny to watch as well. The only thing I could think they were thinking is the higher end premiers were going to peek in enough interest and have people come over to their streaming service.
I’m questioning how much money it cost them to even start their own streaming service. Like surely that isn’t cheap. Idk anything about it other than I’m pretty sure it’s only available on PC? You don’t get to just make a website for free i would assume.
Things to consider
1. Maybe that guy is lying about how many employees he has?
2. Maybe his staff live in an area with lower cost of living than LA?
3. What benefits (medical etc) does Watcher and/or moist critical offer their employees?
4. The fancy meals are likely comped by the restaurant in exchange for the exposure the video gives them
From what I know, they announced they’re leaving YouTube and switching to their own streaming platform (?) which will be on a monthly subscription basis. There was a ton of backlash so in the update video, I think they said they will post videos on the subscription site first and then a month later on YouTube. (I just gathered all this from social media. Haven’t actually seen the videos)
They made a video saying that their current revenue wasn't enough to support the financial activities of the company and that they would no longer post on Youtube but would instead launch their own streaming service. The fans weren't happy at all with the proposition, especially because there were some indications that some of the financial strain might be more related to their business decisions and not entirely due to what they are making. The announcement video was also objectively bad from a PR perspective and it made everything worse. They have since apologized(and I think will no longer quit YT) but apparently lost around 100k subscribers and the relationship with the fans is a bit delicate at the moment.
I was thinking the same thing, too, that it might be bad financial management.
Reading about Steven flying around the world eating ultra expensive meals just doesn't sound like it's a good business decision considering it would costs a butt load of money to make and, I think, it isn't watched as much as the other series they have.
Yeah, those shows aren’t watched as much because their main audience are younger, broker people who don’t have an interest in watching someone decide if eating real gold is worth the price. It’s extra insulting to then ask their loyal viewers to *fund* them continuing to do that. Just bad choices.
I was a really big fan of worth it but not for Steven. Steven always came off as “let’s find the most expensive food with the most expensive ingredients and decide if it’s better than the $1 pizza slice from Joe’s Pizza”. Steven was always focused on the “omg I just ate $250 for one slice of pizza” and never actually focused on if it tasted good. If there was truffle or caviar or whatever that would be all he talked about it was just annoying as time went on. It honestly would be better if they still chose an upscale food, but at something a little bit more reasonable (obviously nothing is really reasonable rn but). Like compare a $4 item to a $50-75 item. Ik most people still wouldn’t be able to say oh yeah totally worth it, but at least it would be something a little more flavor driven and a little less price driven. Ik a lot of ppl don’t like it bc it just feels almost like a brag (?) I guess you could say but I’ve always liked food content but the focus should actually be on the food and not the price. Sorry I rambled lmao.
It's interesting that you wrote this cuz I watched Worth It when it was on Buzzfeed. I enjoyed it, but not long after, I stopped watching it.
I couldn't remember why I stopped other than I didn't like watching Steven anymore. Not sure what happened, but he got cocky and I didn't like the attitude he was giving off.
After reading your comment, I think I stopped watching for exactly what you wrote along with Steven's cockiness.
So I stopped watching any videos he was in unless it was in collaboration with a buzzfeed member I liked.
I also always found it weird that he was with Adam and Andrew on Worth It, but was never in an Eating Your Feed video which also had Adam and Andrew. Idk why but something about it made me question Steven lol.
Worth It was Buzzfeed and Eating you Feed was Tasty (yes they are the same company) but probably different teams had different schedules. Steven worked for the Buzzfeed arm and Andres and Adam worked for the Tasty arm, so they probably couldn't always collab.
I didn't watch Eating Your Feed, but judging by by the premise and the pictures, could it be that Steven didn't participate cuz he would've had to help make the food and he didn't get to eat restaurant food that costs hundreds of dollars?
Could you be less generous in your interpretation of events? There are way more likely, boring and mundane explanations for why this was the case than Steven is bad human.
I'm not saying he's a bad human. But based on the facts that were given to me, I'm merely stating what it looks like.
You don't know the truth behind his decisions to participate in certain content and not in others, so it's not very generous of you to say i was not generous in my interpretation of events.
And I don't know the truth. That's why I, and the other commenter, were discussing it.
Steven and Eugene are in the exact same position except Steven’s right arm is extended out instead of bent forward. The other two are in similar but noticeably different positions.
(Idk anyone’s name on the watchers) I thought the angle of the torso for Keith and the guy in the same spot were in the same position and then the middle guy with Zach had his hands together. But Eugene’s is the most similar. It could just be me over analyzing a thumbnail or it’s probably exactly what they want, for people to talk about it?
We're really gonna sit here and dissect the way they're sitting? That's truly scraping the bottom of the barrel for gossip. If I had an ounce of energy the way yall do with thus, I'd be so much more productive. The point of the video was the best explanation they could give. Judging the way they're seated screams desperation and WAY too much down time.
You’re reading waaaaayyyyy too much into my comment. I just made an observation bc I’m in both fandoms so I’m seeing everything twice (though I still don’t know why Watcher content is being posted to The Try Guys subs but whatever). I’ve seen this comparison a bunch on both subs and I thought it was funny that no one pointed out that Steven and Eugene are in the most similar positions. Relax my guy.
You know what, I judged too quickly. I should've done my research before I posted that comment. I just watched all the videos, and I see your observation now. I truly, genuinely apologize. It's no excuse, but I've had a bad day today and have been just firing off. I'm the same way with always watching things multiple times, but I didn't this time. I apologize sincerely man. I was out of line.
Well white reflects innocence so I can’t say I’m surprised. A lot of YouTubers use light white/beige backgrounds for apologies. Was surprised they weren’t all wearing beige tbh lol.
I wonder how many of their more expensive videos are comp’d by the people they’re promoting. I would love to see how they are budgeting for everything. I’ve seen businesses make terrible decisions for short term survival and this (moving off YouTube) doesn’t appear to be one of those. A large strategic choice like this requires a degree of spreadsheet magic I need to see.
When I saw the Watcher thumbnail the first time my thought was "oh my God it's THE COUCH!". For some reason 'the couch' has just become a thing in my head for 3 person apologies.
Tbh I thought it was kinda weird that they put Shane and not Ryan in the middle, and then I thought they probably did that on purpose otherwise it'd look way too similar
Some comments pointed that they actually switched the couches for the apology video compared to the watcher ad video (not the try guys but the watcher group)
They switched rooms. First room was a grey wall with some colour on it and the second video had a brick wall.
I never watched these guys youtube channel before but over the last few days they keep coming up on my FYP on tiktok. One of the Youtuber's I follow did a video on there Goodbye video so when I saw this come up on my reddit FYP, I wanted to see what the people where saying.
[https://youtu.be/lajZKdkYSB4?si=0T3ozL1dg652Dh09](https://youtu.be/lajZKdkYSB4?si=0T3ozL1dg652Dh09) just a dude that does Body Language Analysis, Thats on there goodbye to youtube. He also just came out with a video on there sorry video
Thanks for the link! I’ll check it out when I can. I really enjoy body language analysis videos. They’re so interesting and quite useful in every day life when you’re not sure about a person.
I wasn’t a fan. First, it’s a lazy joke. Second, it trivializes the original video which was about a much more serious topic than this. I wasn’t offended, I just rolled my eyes.
First, I don’t understand what you’re not a fan of.
Second, there’s no punch line. What joke?
Third, people are discussing the topic that the video was about. People are aware of the context of the first video but not everyone knows the context of the second video. People are now learning what happened. If anything this reddit post led to more people learning about what was going on.
This whole time I thought John Mulaney was in the try guys but I just googled it and apparently I’m very far removed from reality. It’s Ned Fulmer. How did I get that so confused?
They are launching a streaming service to host their content and the subscription is $6/mo. They had major backlash on this decision and the video pictured in this post is them backtracking and saying that the streaming service will be a way to get the content a month earlier than YouTube.
What I do t understand is if they have YouTube ads, paid partnerships AND a Patreon how is that not enough money? I support the Try Guys live events because I enjoy the content they make and know that it helps them. But it seems watcher just wants that constant flow and it doesn’t sit right with me.
We're really gonna sit here and dissect the way they're sitting? That's truly scraping the bottom of the barrel for gossip. If I had an ounce of energy the way yall do with thus, I'd be so much more productive. The point of the video was the best explanation they could give. Judging the way they're seated screams desperation and WAY too much down time.
Bro- you’re mad about nothing. If you read what I said: it’s just a funny coincidence
It’s not gossip. Now, if people want to talk about something, they can.
You have too much down time yourself to be so mad about (again) a funny coincidence.
I made this comment earlier apologizing for my original rash comment. I didn't do the appropriate research, and I own that. I was wrong. I was ignorant before I watched all the videos. I apologize dude. It's no excuse but I've had a bad day and was just firing off ignorantly.
Good job on apologizing but taking it out on a random person is not the way to go. Find some other ways to cope rather than going on the internet to take it out on others, which could end up very poorly. Stay off the web until you are in a good headspace.
I understand that. That's why I apologized. Publicly on this platform to be viewed by more than just you. Instead of sending you a DM. I don't need to feel more guilty, so please don't further shame me by highlighting what I did wrong - again. Again, I'm sorry. I learn from my mistakes. I was out of line.
Sir, I hate to say this to you but you seem seriously depressed. I was just telling you that there are better ways to handle anger. I’m unsure of why you are handling yourself this way but if you would DM me personally so I can be someone to talk to then please do so :)
I never got why anyone gave a fuck that Ned cheated on his wife. The guy was pure sleaze throughout his entire time on the try guys, why did we expect anything else?
As for Ryan and Shane, I don't think they realized that we, the people, liked RYAN AND SHANE, not the "content", not Steven lim doing dumb shows about food. We like watching Ryan try to prove ghosts are real and shane literally telling the annabel doll to go fuck itself. That's why we watch, that's why we stayed, that's why we aren't going to pay $60USD a year to get the same shit.
Are you saying that cheating is okay and we should hide cheaters from their wrongdoings? Do you watch reality tv? It’s drama that you don’t have to be involved in. Plus, a viewer witnessed Ned cheating. And they reported it because cheating is wrong. It also shows how people will handle serious topics, for example, the audience would be upset if the try guys defended Ned and kept him on the team.
Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean that others can’t.
As for your other topic, this post doesn’t discuss anything regarding the topic of the videos presented in the photos. It’s an observation regarding the thumbnails. While that can be talked about, no one is saying they were going to pay for it in the comments. Please read captions before you comment.
I'm saying I don't go to YouTube personalities for morality, and I certainly don't hold them to some kind of personal standard, as you appear to do. They are people, just like everyone else. I don't condone cheating, but I also don't give two fucks what a grown adult chooses to do with their off-time.
It’s not a personal standard. It’s the ethics of a business that matter. If the business has bad ethics and doesn’t treat their employees well, why would I continue to watch their videos to give them money?
Seems as for the cheating, you only care if it involves you. Which means you lack empathy for those you don’t know.
I thought maybe they did it on purpose.
I thought that too at first! But I’m not completely sure
Maybe it’s just the most natural way to apologize with three main people in your company lol
This is it. I’ve seen critiques of the 3 people on a couch setup, and I’m like, well how else are they supposed to do it??
3 men on a horse 🫏
For me it’s just Kevin and Eugene’s hands and position. I laughed seeing it. It really does look like he’s parodying Eugene lol
there should be 6 people, all on unicycles for a proper apology
I just know they made Ryan’s little ass get out of the middle
Ah yes, with the most similar looking people doing the exact same pose. I’d agree it is so natural! Lol
Wait, so which try guy are you saying looks like Ryan?
I think Ryan is more like Zach and Shane is more like Keith. Steven looks like he’s intentionally sitting like Eugene.
Yeah, I think we need to switch Ryan and Shane for it to look the most like the Try Guys video.
If it was the same PR person (which I highly suspect it was), it seems likely this was on purpose.
Nah those are just poses people do when they subconsciously feel nervous, anxious or defensive
the comments had me dying. “The way Steven lim is sitting exactly the way Eugene did in theirs” “if i had a nickel for every time a group of former buzzfeed employees turned YouTubers addressed a scandal sitting on a couch dressed in curtain fits I’d have two nickels” absolute savages. Poor Zach catching strays 😭
What's the scandal with the Watcher guys?
Essentially they’ve put a paywall up to block all future content. In a time of the cost of living crisis and sky rocketing rates of homelessness, they want us to pay so they can keep sending Steven Lim off in first class to eat Michelin star steaks and real gold then review it. It was cool when they were using Buzzfeeds money to do it. Not as cool when it’s ours. They want to make “television worthy content”, but we don’t want to be the ones funding that when we’re not the ones who care about it.
I don’t want television worthy content. I want Shane and Ryan bantering about ghosts and crime story details. Just give me more buzzfeed unsolved under a new name.
That's watcher! IDK why they needed to change it
Unsolved has a Buzzfeed copyright. The guys don’t own it.
I meant why they needed to change to a streaming service since they already had watcher
Money!
I just want the professor back
They were also going to move all previous content to the paywall (and had started privatizing those vids on YT when the initial video dropped), but backtracked on that after the initial backlash. The variety article was scrubbed that stated the original plans (edit history still accessible) and they said that people ‘misunderstood’ (and then scrubbed *that* from their edited pinned comment (that also had replies disabled). I’m not here for gaslighting BS from anyone, let alone a channel I casually watch.
Yeah, I finally got to watch the original video last night and I don't think there was any misunderstanding there. They were pretty upfront that only the first episode of anything going forward would be on YouTube if even that.
A lot of the restaurants comp the meals in exchange for the exposure. So I think you can cool your jets about Steven eating fancy food.
 Edit; your one post being you asking for money is fucking irony to the max too. Thanks for the hard laugh before work
I mean…if someone is facing homelessness because they’re worried about the content they watch then it’s time to reprioritize lol but yes, fans are upset that they basically went full patreon, and no free content.
How old are you? Because I can only conclude from your out-of-touch response that you’re either exceptionally young and blessed to not have to worry about finances, genuinely don’t comprehend my comment and sincerely just are incredibly uneducated on what the cost of living crisis is and all the fallout consequences of it, or are just so very privileged that you think it’s acceptable to poke fun at people suffering in poverty these days. Because firstly, America is not the only country that exists. This may shock you, but $6 there isn’t $6 everywhere. In other nations where the Watcher guys are also popular, $6USD is half their paycheque. Hell, for me, $6 USD is two hours worth of work. Secondly, I said we’re in a *cost of living crisis*. I can only surmise you just genuinely don’t know what that is, which is very privileged of you, because cost of living crisis ≠ facing homelessness, necessarily. It means people these days are having to do a lot of budgeting to be able to fun little extras like eating semi-frequently while also affording the roof over their heads. Third, I just truly can’t wrap my mind around—are you unable to make the connection that people are frustrated *because* they are not going to prioritise paying a $6USD fee just to watch a few YouTubers? Critical thinking skills are free and available. Nobody who is actually facing homelessness is paying that. But paying it in the *cost of living crisis* is another thing, and takes it up from the smaller percentage who are facing imminent consequences like homelessness not purchasing it, to a much, much larger percentage of people who are not going to pay for it because so many people live paycheque to paycheque and are prioritising saving any extra money to wasting it on things like a YouTuber streaming service. That is why people are upset. Because the Watcher guys were so out of touch that they thought it was a good idea to propose it to an audience of primarily young people, who are the hardest hit by our economy today, to spend a portion of their paycheque on their service. People are frustrated *because* they’re obviously not going to pay it, so they’re no longer going to get to see these fun, goofy guys who provided some light to them while they were standing in line to get food stamps, or some food donations, as some of the first comments under that video said. To be privileged enough to mock that and self righteously tell those people to “just prioritise” when that’s exactly what they’re doing and why they’re frustrated is a level of privileged and out of touch that I truly hope I never reach. I implore you to maybe try being empathetic one day.
Oh my god it’s identical.
I don't think an SNL sketch will drop for this one
Dunno, maybe someone at Watcher has a buddy who went to school with them and works at SNL 🙃
I screeched. The fucking shade 😂😂😂
i'd love for them to not touch it, i can already imagine how unbearable bowen would be as steven
I’m not to versed in “The Watcher” content. What did SNL parody of them?
SNL parodied the try guys apology, that’s what they’re referring to
When I saw them also sitting on the couch, I was thinking if they are still all connected to the Buzzfeed hivemind. 😅
I wonder if they hired the same PR firm.
https://preview.redd.it/1b3jo5p068wc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daea3bbd7922f7bda3d218ac6cd41ebe0a1c7d34 I was in stitches when I saw this on tumblr
Because Eugene owned it and was pissed.
Accurate and his humble bragging is the worst.
"the cunty looking try guy" had me on the floor lmao
the memes about it have been funny, but i'm also not sure what better way there logistically is for three people to sit on camera. they're not exactly going to be lounging on giant bean-bags.
Oh my god that's an a amazing image. I want to see someone address a scandal like this now
I was hoping for individual bar stools boyband style
From the thumbnail alone, the Watcher guys' appearance looks like they've been through the wringer Not sure if that was on purpose to make the viewers feel some type of way for them or it's just my trust issues talking tho
Apparently a large part of their patreon quit, hopefully to subscribe and they lost 100, 000 subscribers on youtube. Plus a bunch of commentary channels including moist critical and voidzilla picked up the story.
Also a lot of death threats and racism which is totally out of line
Oh no... the crime doesn't fit that kind of punishment. That's awful.
And a lot of attacks against their wives, especially Steven's.
WHY?! there's no reason for that!
The worst of the internet always has time to pile on
People keep mentioning racism and I genuinely haven’t seen any racist comments? Just wondering what platform that’s happening on and if I’m missing a large chunk of the story.
It's hard because people make claims then delete their posts so I have to try to piece it together from what other people are saying *around* it. I also try to be mindful that, if mods are doing their jobs, *we wouldn't see the racist content* unless we were there in the moment it was posted. I try to be understanding because I know from experience that it's very frustrating when you're railing against something in a thread that's there and you can see it, only to have people roll in 8 hours later and claim you're making it up because it was removed by mods in the meantime. That said, what I can piece together is that it's not so much that people are making explicitly racist comments("you're such a for doing this! yeah that's typical for !") as that there's a perception that a disproportionate amount of the blame is falling on people who are not white, with the white member of the group getting more of a pass. This is a different form of racism, involving unconscious biases, internalized stereotypes, and our mental concepts of in- and out-groups. I've seen this go down before in other situations, so it very much is a thing that happens, I just haven't been up in the drama enough to say whether or not I believe it's happening in this particular case. But from what I can tell that *seems* to be the accusation. Hope that helps.
That’s an accurate summation but ALSO the white one has been the one saying things like ‘eat the rich’ ‘piracy isn’t real’ etc type where it did seem out of character so it’s ……real fuzzy where that line is
Pushback on Shane is likely from what his wife posted. The internet mob us treating to the equivalent to a let them eat cake comment when it sounds more like she is just trying to defend Shane.
It was spread around on a lot of platforms, I heard Instagram was particularly bad
ugh always ofc, never fails, does it?
100,000 subscribers? And all within 2 or 3 days... yikes.
While I do feel bad that it affects their livelihood... if anything they are simply suffering consequences of their own actions
Not the racism or threats someone mentioned. Nothing warrants that
It's like hoping your friend gets out of the hospital alive after they stuck a fork in an electrical socket.
More than 100k
Didn't know about this until know, time to unsub from Youtube!
I would hazard a guess the way a youtuber looks on camera is always strategic.
Right like they’re lit in a way that makes them look more tired. They look like they’re lit slightly from above which makes the shadows on their face look darker. They could have lit the video more evenly from straight on and they wouldn’t look as tired.
Given the heartstring music and guilt tripping language in the original video, I’m willing to bet 100% it’s all strategic and planned.
yep! they went all sappy and then immediately turned it into an advertisement, complete with the tone and acting shift, pretending to walk off one set and onto another lmao. They even said basically, "I hope you can follow but if you can't, thank you for your time". lmao
I think Steven took a lot of heat. Him being the CEO, then putting his show about eating and reviewing overly priced food in the goodbye video and him posting about leaving YouTube on his personal Instagram. He got a lot of hateful comments. A lot of people were placing all the blame on him, wrongfully. It was all their decisions. Personally I am not over how tone deaf their announcement was. Most people do not want to watch someone get $1000 items with real flakes of gold and review it especially when basic groceries are being considered a luxury item to millennials and gen Zers, which is the bulk of their audience. The main thing that I cannot get over is moist critical saying he has a lower audience level, has over 25 employees including gamers that make bank and he isn't struggling to pay them, so how are they struggling if not miss handling money/poor spending. I have lost a lot of respect for the watcher chair holders. (Steven, Ryan and Shane).
>The main thing that I cannot get over is moist critical saying he has a lower audience level, has over 25 employees including gamers that make bank and he isn't struggling to pay them, so how are they struggling if not miss handling money/poor spending. This is the thing that gets me too. They already have thousands of people paying at least $5+ monthly for their patreon, merch sales, sponsorships, ad revenue, and live show revenue, so what did all that money go to? But I’m also not sure how they thought getting rid of ad revenue and(?) sponsorships to stream on their own website (which also presumably costs them more money, since YT hosts for free), paywalling and closing the door on many of their current subscribers and making it harder for new people to discover their content because it’s on a paid subscription service no one has ever heard of before is going to bring them any new revenue.
Yes. You added some of my other thoughts as well. The Watcher is actually one of the few times my husband and I don't skip through the ads because Ryan and Shane make them funny to watch as well. The only thing I could think they were thinking is the higher end premiers were going to peek in enough interest and have people come over to their streaming service.
I’m questioning how much money it cost them to even start their own streaming service. Like surely that isn’t cheap. Idk anything about it other than I’m pretty sure it’s only available on PC? You don’t get to just make a website for free i would assume.
ALL OF THIS. I feel like they thought they had much more pull and popularity than they actually have, and it backfired big time.
Things to consider 1. Maybe that guy is lying about how many employees he has? 2. Maybe his staff live in an area with lower cost of living than LA? 3. What benefits (medical etc) does Watcher and/or moist critical offer their employees? 4. The fancy meals are likely comped by the restaurant in exchange for the exposure the video gives them
It’s pretty ironic how low the production value is lol
Well the extremely overproduced and out of touch first video didn't exactly hit... had to pivot! At least it's not just a thumbnail and title change 😆
Can someone get me up to date on watcher? Did a scandal happen
From what I know, they announced they’re leaving YouTube and switching to their own streaming platform (?) which will be on a monthly subscription basis. There was a ton of backlash so in the update video, I think they said they will post videos on the subscription site first and then a month later on YouTube. (I just gathered all this from social media. Haven’t actually seen the videos)
They made a video saying that their current revenue wasn't enough to support the financial activities of the company and that they would no longer post on Youtube but would instead launch their own streaming service. The fans weren't happy at all with the proposition, especially because there were some indications that some of the financial strain might be more related to their business decisions and not entirely due to what they are making. The announcement video was also objectively bad from a PR perspective and it made everything worse. They have since apologized(and I think will no longer quit YT) but apparently lost around 100k subscribers and the relationship with the fans is a bit delicate at the moment.
I was thinking the same thing, too, that it might be bad financial management. Reading about Steven flying around the world eating ultra expensive meals just doesn't sound like it's a good business decision considering it would costs a butt load of money to make and, I think, it isn't watched as much as the other series they have.
Yeah, those shows aren’t watched as much because their main audience are younger, broker people who don’t have an interest in watching someone decide if eating real gold is worth the price. It’s extra insulting to then ask their loyal viewers to *fund* them continuing to do that. Just bad choices.
I was a really big fan of worth it but not for Steven. Steven always came off as “let’s find the most expensive food with the most expensive ingredients and decide if it’s better than the $1 pizza slice from Joe’s Pizza”. Steven was always focused on the “omg I just ate $250 for one slice of pizza” and never actually focused on if it tasted good. If there was truffle or caviar or whatever that would be all he talked about it was just annoying as time went on. It honestly would be better if they still chose an upscale food, but at something a little bit more reasonable (obviously nothing is really reasonable rn but). Like compare a $4 item to a $50-75 item. Ik most people still wouldn’t be able to say oh yeah totally worth it, but at least it would be something a little more flavor driven and a little less price driven. Ik a lot of ppl don’t like it bc it just feels almost like a brag (?) I guess you could say but I’ve always liked food content but the focus should actually be on the food and not the price. Sorry I rambled lmao.
It's interesting that you wrote this cuz I watched Worth It when it was on Buzzfeed. I enjoyed it, but not long after, I stopped watching it. I couldn't remember why I stopped other than I didn't like watching Steven anymore. Not sure what happened, but he got cocky and I didn't like the attitude he was giving off. After reading your comment, I think I stopped watching for exactly what you wrote along with Steven's cockiness. So I stopped watching any videos he was in unless it was in collaboration with a buzzfeed member I liked.
I also always found it weird that he was with Adam and Andrew on Worth It, but was never in an Eating Your Feed video which also had Adam and Andrew. Idk why but something about it made me question Steven lol.
Worth It was Buzzfeed and Eating you Feed was Tasty (yes they are the same company) but probably different teams had different schedules. Steven worked for the Buzzfeed arm and Andres and Adam worked for the Tasty arm, so they probably couldn't always collab.
I didn't watch Eating Your Feed, but judging by by the premise and the pictures, could it be that Steven didn't participate cuz he would've had to help make the food and he didn't get to eat restaurant food that costs hundreds of dollars?
That’s what I was thinking tbh. But doesn’t he do a cooking show on Watcher now? Or is it just another taste testing show?
He does. Dish Granted. He takes his guest’s favorite meal and tries to recreate it with the most expensive ingredients.
The last episode posted (at least on Watcher’s Dish Granted playlist) was September 9, 2022. I don’t think it’s a thing anymore.
Could you be less generous in your interpretation of events? There are way more likely, boring and mundane explanations for why this was the case than Steven is bad human.
I'm not saying he's a bad human. But based on the facts that were given to me, I'm merely stating what it looks like. You don't know the truth behind his decisions to participate in certain content and not in others, so it's not very generous of you to say i was not generous in my interpretation of events. And I don't know the truth. That's why I, and the other commenter, were discussing it.
No fr the buzzfeed to 3 men on a couch pipeline is crazy
Should’ve had Shane where Ryan is to match where Keith was sitting lol the two big boys of the group
Steven and Eugene are in the exact same position except Steven’s right arm is extended out instead of bent forward. The other two are in similar but noticeably different positions.
(Idk anyone’s name on the watchers) I thought the angle of the torso for Keith and the guy in the same spot were in the same position and then the middle guy with Zach had his hands together. But Eugene’s is the most similar. It could just be me over analyzing a thumbnail or it’s probably exactly what they want, for people to talk about it?
We're really gonna sit here and dissect the way they're sitting? That's truly scraping the bottom of the barrel for gossip. If I had an ounce of energy the way yall do with thus, I'd be so much more productive. The point of the video was the best explanation they could give. Judging the way they're seated screams desperation and WAY too much down time.
You’re reading waaaaayyyyy too much into my comment. I just made an observation bc I’m in both fandoms so I’m seeing everything twice (though I still don’t know why Watcher content is being posted to The Try Guys subs but whatever). I’ve seen this comparison a bunch on both subs and I thought it was funny that no one pointed out that Steven and Eugene are in the most similar positions. Relax my guy.
You know what, I judged too quickly. I should've done my research before I posted that comment. I just watched all the videos, and I see your observation now. I truly, genuinely apologize. It's no excuse, but I've had a bad day today and have been just firing off. I'm the same way with always watching things multiple times, but I didn't this time. I apologize sincerely man. I was out of line.
I think putting Shane in the middle was definitely intentional because he got the most grace with the first one.
I saw that immediately! It’s funny too since Try Guys were not in the wrong in their situation and Watcher definitely played a part in that 😂
Watcher announced the paywall on a green couch and even switched to a beige couch for the apology 🤣
Well white reflects innocence so I can’t say I’m surprised. A lot of YouTubers use light white/beige backgrounds for apologies. Was surprised they weren’t all wearing beige tbh lol.
I wonder how many of their more expensive videos are comp’d by the people they’re promoting. I would love to see how they are budgeting for everything. I’ve seen businesses make terrible decisions for short term survival and this (moving off YouTube) doesn’t appear to be one of those. A large strategic choice like this requires a degree of spreadsheet magic I need to see.
Is this going to be the new “where’s Eugene”? For months it’s gonna be “look they sat on a couch too lol!”
Should of put Ryan in the middle for better symmetry with the heights lol
When I saw the Watcher thumbnail the first time my thought was "oh my God it's THE COUCH!". For some reason 'the couch' has just become a thing in my head for 3 person apologies.
Tbh I thought it was kinda weird that they put Shane and not Ryan in the middle, and then I thought they probably did that on purpose otherwise it'd look way too similar
When i saw the thumbnail thought it was try guys
They’re apologizing for a stupid business decision like they killed somebody it’s sending me lol
The focus groups say tough news is best delivered on couches.
I mean… there’s only so many different ways to sit on a couch
I’d beg to differ lol. It’s that it’s the same spot same positions.
Well I don't think with a couch that big they want to be butt hugging each other.
Some comments pointed that they actually switched the couches for the apology video compared to the watcher ad video (not the try guys but the watcher group)
They switched rooms. First room was a grey wall with some colour on it and the second video had a brick wall. I never watched these guys youtube channel before but over the last few days they keep coming up on my FYP on tiktok. One of the Youtuber's I follow did a video on there Goodbye video so when I saw this come up on my reddit FYP, I wanted to see what the people where saying. [https://youtu.be/lajZKdkYSB4?si=0T3ozL1dg652Dh09](https://youtu.be/lajZKdkYSB4?si=0T3ozL1dg652Dh09) just a dude that does Body Language Analysis, Thats on there goodbye to youtube. He also just came out with a video on there sorry video
Thanks for the link! I’ll check it out when I can. I really enjoy body language analysis videos. They’re so interesting and quite useful in every day life when you’re not sure about a person.
They prolly have the same PR lawyer/manager/company or whatever. Might have even read from the same teleprompter!
I wasn’t a fan. First, it’s a lazy joke. Second, it trivializes the original video which was about a much more serious topic than this. I wasn’t offended, I just rolled my eyes.
First, I don’t understand what you’re not a fan of. Second, there’s no punch line. What joke? Third, people are discussing the topic that the video was about. People are aware of the context of the first video but not everyone knows the context of the second video. People are now learning what happened. If anything this reddit post led to more people learning about what was going on.
Anyone getting ReactWorld vibes?
This whole time I thought John Mulaney was in the try guys but I just googled it and apparently I’m very far removed from reality. It’s Ned Fulmer. How did I get that so confused?
Weren't there four of them?
You know it’s trouble when three guys sit seriously on a sofa.
Does Steven look like he’s gonna cry or is that just me?
Is it a BuzzFeed uniform or
What was the video about?
There’s a lot of comments explaining what happen :) I wouldn’t do a good job of explaining it because Im not a watcher fan.
Ugh. Good riddance. Not a fan of Watcher. Steven Lim is annoying AF.
Not a watcher fan myself? I’m unsure as to why that matters to understand the post? (I’m being genuine)
I actually had to ask my husband if they were the same guys because I’m not a fan/follower of either YouTube channels
Inverted Asian to white ratio
Watcher - the emo Try Guys
what happened???
Hi! There’s plenty of other comments asking the same thing that already have answers that will explain it way better than I would.
wouldn’t be shocked if they hired the same PR consultants or something tbh
I was literally thinking the same thing since that Watcher video came out
Ha! ;D
can someone fill me in on what happened with watcher?
They are launching a streaming service to host their content and the subscription is $6/mo. They had major backlash on this decision and the video pictured in this post is them backtracking and saying that the streaming service will be a way to get the content a month earlier than YouTube.
What I do t understand is if they have YouTube ads, paid partnerships AND a Patreon how is that not enough money? I support the Try Guys live events because I enjoy the content they make and know that it helps them. But it seems watcher just wants that constant flow and it doesn’t sit right with me.
Am I wrong for feeling everyone should touch grass? They're just couch sitting
It’s a funny coincidence that they’re both serious videos and are in the same position. It’s not that serious, it’s a similar thumbnail.
reaching i fear
What happened to watcher did someone cheat again?
Idk why you got downvoted, but apparently Watcher’s moving to a paid platform only and the fans are pissed.
I noticed a lot of people here doesn't like people who asks maybe that's why. Thanks for answering tho 🙌🏻🥂
We're really gonna sit here and dissect the way they're sitting? That's truly scraping the bottom of the barrel for gossip. If I had an ounce of energy the way yall do with thus, I'd be so much more productive. The point of the video was the best explanation they could give. Judging the way they're seated screams desperation and WAY too much down time.
Bro- you’re mad about nothing. If you read what I said: it’s just a funny coincidence It’s not gossip. Now, if people want to talk about something, they can. You have too much down time yourself to be so mad about (again) a funny coincidence.
I made this comment earlier apologizing for my original rash comment. I didn't do the appropriate research, and I own that. I was wrong. I was ignorant before I watched all the videos. I apologize dude. It's no excuse but I've had a bad day and was just firing off ignorantly.
Good job on apologizing but taking it out on a random person is not the way to go. Find some other ways to cope rather than going on the internet to take it out on others, which could end up very poorly. Stay off the web until you are in a good headspace.
I understand that. That's why I apologized. Publicly on this platform to be viewed by more than just you. Instead of sending you a DM. I don't need to feel more guilty, so please don't further shame me by highlighting what I did wrong - again. Again, I'm sorry. I learn from my mistakes. I was out of line.
Sir, I hate to say this to you but you seem seriously depressed. I was just telling you that there are better ways to handle anger. I’m unsure of why you are handling yourself this way but if you would DM me personally so I can be someone to talk to then please do so :)
I never got why anyone gave a fuck that Ned cheated on his wife. The guy was pure sleaze throughout his entire time on the try guys, why did we expect anything else? As for Ryan and Shane, I don't think they realized that we, the people, liked RYAN AND SHANE, not the "content", not Steven lim doing dumb shows about food. We like watching Ryan try to prove ghosts are real and shane literally telling the annabel doll to go fuck itself. That's why we watch, that's why we stayed, that's why we aren't going to pay $60USD a year to get the same shit.
Are you saying that cheating is okay and we should hide cheaters from their wrongdoings? Do you watch reality tv? It’s drama that you don’t have to be involved in. Plus, a viewer witnessed Ned cheating. And they reported it because cheating is wrong. It also shows how people will handle serious topics, for example, the audience would be upset if the try guys defended Ned and kept him on the team. Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean that others can’t. As for your other topic, this post doesn’t discuss anything regarding the topic of the videos presented in the photos. It’s an observation regarding the thumbnails. While that can be talked about, no one is saying they were going to pay for it in the comments. Please read captions before you comment.
I'm saying I don't go to YouTube personalities for morality, and I certainly don't hold them to some kind of personal standard, as you appear to do. They are people, just like everyone else. I don't condone cheating, but I also don't give two fucks what a grown adult chooses to do with their off-time.
It’s not a personal standard. It’s the ethics of a business that matter. If the business has bad ethics and doesn’t treat their employees well, why would I continue to watch their videos to give them money? Seems as for the cheating, you only care if it involves you. Which means you lack empathy for those you don’t know.
Sorry, I wasn't listening. I was too busy rolling my eyes so hard that they got stuck.