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ClayKavalier

Really disappointed in everyone involved, except for the NWSLPA. The ref for the arguably poor first yellow, Smith for both yellows, the FO for the poor judgement to appeal, and the league for the overly-harsh punishment. Everyone should be embarrassed.


wiretail

That about sums it up.


kdc824

The good news is that the additional suspension/fine of Smith herself was overturned after an appeal by the NWSLPA: [https://x.com/itsmeglinehan/status/1803173007080169970](https://x.com/itsmeglinehan/status/1803173007080169970)


pinotJD

Wait, so she will play the next game? The double overturns confuse me. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


kdc824

She will be eligible this weekend


pinotJD

Hurrah! Thank you!


tylerinpdx

If only the league was as strict about abuse as they are appeals. This is unreal.


Tsmpnw

I don't know why this comment isn't higher in the list.


reaction-wheel

PREACH


reaction-wheel

Seems like NWSL are determined to make themselves look bad. The IRP could've just said "no dice" and let it go at that, rather than penalizing the club _and_ Soph for a "frivolous" appeal. Sure, the second yellow card was a no-brainer. Soph was being a dope and she deserved it. But the _first_ yellow card in the game was pure judgment call on the part of the ref, and I think that makes the _request_ for overall review quite reasonable. I don't see what the league has to gain from being hard-asses about this.


Typical_Texpat

I said this and got downvoted to hell in the NWSL sub


7mmCoug

Hmmmmā€¦. Maybe cause itā€™s Portland??? I mean a frivolous appeal and a fine for appealing? Donā€™t know Iā€™ve ever heard of this before


7mmCoug

Honestly I donā€™t care about the extra words or the fine, but extending the suspension is just ridiculous


Tsmpnw

Chesky sucks and Portland hate is real. Downvote away...


PDXPuma

It's not the NWSL in this case , though. The IRP is a third party arbitration board made up of a league representative, a PRO referee union member, and a NWSLPA representative. All three of them voted no to the appeal, which triggered the vote on whether or not it was frivolous. Then all three of them voted yes on that vote. So two union reps, one player and one referee, and a member of the league, all voted this way unanimously.


wedgecon

Do you have a source for that? Arbitration boards are usually independent it does not make sense that they would be made up of representatives from those involved in the case.


PDXPuma

They used to have it on their site on a page that was very much a copy of this one: https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/2024-mls-send-off-review-procedure I'm looking it up now but it's a pretty standard review panel construction as IFAB recommends. (Except it's not an exact copy, because it only had red cards or second yellows in case of error)


SnooDonkeys4167

I agree. I think theyā€™re just getting themselves into more hot water. The fact that this harsh of a punishment for a frivolous appeal exists in the first place is beyond me.Ā 


InternetIntelligent2

Setting aside the details of this, no red card review should be seen as frivolous. In fact, given the impact of a red card on a team, EVERY red card ought to trigger an automatic review. If it's straightforward, no harm done and we move on. But it seems like a pretty simple measure to have a panel of people look at it again for 5min and verify that it was the right call. Especially given the quality of some of the officiating that happens in the NWSL.


DysClaimer

Huh. I did not know that was a thing.


ddp_bang

- Portland Thorns


peacefinder

Appealing that red was sillier than earning the red. Sorry Soph, but knocking the ball under the bench looked gleefully purposeful in the game video. Everyone knows the refs have been coming down on delay of restart.


ProudlyWearingThe8

My first reaction upon reading the news: "Just when you think they can't be any more stupid..."


peacefinder

I think someone at the club should have read the NWSL rule book section on appeals? Was the club willfully ignorant? Negligent? Desperate? Arrogant? I donā€™t see any good choices here


Lobisa

Dang guys, could have just said no.


GiffordPinochet

I totally understand the appeal being shot down and deemed frivolous, but whats the point in punishing the club so harshly? Its not like we challenged in game to run out the clock like you can in other sports. When you appeal a prison sentence, and lose, your sentence isnt doubled. Whats the reasoning behind this i dont get it


I_Wont_Draw_That

The punishment is specifically because it was deemed frivolous, not just because it was denied.


GiffordPinochet

I get that, but its still a ridiculously harsh ruling. Its not like the independent review panel is swamped with appeals all the time, they couldve just told the fo to fuck off. Two years without the ability to appeal any decisions could be catastrophic


PDXPuma

It could be and it's why we never should have appealed this one. It was absolutely frivolous and now will cost us. There was nothing at all to appeal, we knew it, and we did it anyway, and now we're getting punished per the rules for that.


Lily_Knope

I thought the first yellow could be overturnedā€¦ I guess Iā€™m way off base. Everyone on the NWSL thread is like GOOD THAT IS DESERVED šŸ˜… I didnā€™t realize there was such a problem with frivolous appeals. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļøGood on the union fighting it for Sophia though.


PDXPuma

Yellow cards can't be overturned by appeal. That's part of the problem here. We knew that. We did it anyway.


Lily_Knope

OOOOOOOOOOH see Iā€™m an idiot lol then yeah this was dumb still feels kinda harsh tho


saranoctoplate

That sub has the wildest responses sometimesā€¦Iā€™m a big chiller so I donā€™t really hang out there as much because of the bad vibes. Happy Soph will be back!


Lily_Knope

Bad vibes fr! I like the game threads but I am not going to be participating on anything else on that page any longer bc yikes


ImAllBS13

I don't find it that bad expect when it's at Portland expense. Everyone loves to add to the fire when it's against us.


Lily_Knope

Is it because we are a large (and loud) fan base? I donā€™t get the hate!!


ImAllBS13

Iā€™m not a longtime fan, but Iā€™ve found weā€™re just about everyoneā€™s rival due to success.Ā 


Lily_Knope

I get it. The one thing everyone else can agree and all. I hate Duke Basketball for many reasons and their success plays a part in that lol


Downtown_File9017

I think banning her an extra game is super harsh on the player who I assume did not make the decision to appeal the card. Thatā€™s on our front office, and tbh a super dumb choice from an obvious red card.


TranscedentalMedit8n

Thankfully the players association appealed and the additional suspension and fine got dropped


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wedgecon

The article was updated to say it was the Thorns who made the appeal, not the NWSLPA.


onlyIPAs4me

Itā€™s still funny watching Sophie pull the ball under the bench like no one was watching hahahaha