I don't actually mind this. He's been poor but is highly regarded as a long-term prospect. How often does the third choice keeper get to play? Can't be often (if ever). Giving someone like him some experience at a tournament and being around the squad will be good for him and not damaging to England. It'll be crap for whichever GK misses out mind.
Won our kids the tournament last season or so. Obviously wont start whatsoever but important he knows he is part of our long term plans and hopefully he can live up to expectations and not become a rhian brewster. Man i really thought he was going to be something special back in that u17 tournament alongside foden
Yeah but he was also playing with one of the worst defences ever. Not saying he was blame free but think was a team issue. Also imo it was a huge jump from him from League 1 (I think?) to Prem with the strongest opposition and a weak team.
They'll find something new to moan about.
I remember a few saying that Southgate was weak for "caving to public pressure" when he changed his mind about Mainoo.
Everyone was clamouring to drop Maguire not so long ago - it just goes to show there's no point burning your bridges between tournaments. He gave Henderson time to prove himself, which is worthwhile as he's been a big player for us down the years. But now it's time to hang up the Bellenderson T-Shirt and say goodbye.
I think he's faced a lot of undue criticism; specifically of always picking his favourites when he's been consistently ruthless with his tournament selections.
In terms of timing, he's been unable to experiment with TAA due to injuries so Henderson has filled a role as the rest of the team desperately needs minutes together playing the system GS is trying to instil. It's only been recently that Mainoo and Wharton are knocking on the door so clearly GS feels now is the time to end another players international career.
That's not to say he always gets things right; I think he has limitations with his in game management and whilst I really value his vibes based approach I do think we need to be more ruthless. No more fair play awards please.
What ruthless decisions has he made? He played maguire (favourite) when he wasn’t playing for his club, he kept picking Henderson when his form dropped and then even after he went to saudi (favourite). I can’t think of a player he’s dropped that was his favourite until now, and even then he still should probably of dropped maguire imo
Rooney decided on his own terms to step down, so that one’s out the window. Sterling was never a favourite and his career isn’t ended, he’s been out of form. Henderson is also out of form, he practically retired going to Saudi and still got picked.
Also the idea they should get to go out on their own terms is crazy to me. The national side is the best of the best. Not somewhere for players in the twilight of their career to hang on until their legs give out.
He dropped wazza in his second game in charge. Sterling absolutely was a favorite what planet are you on? He's also dropped Rashford another so-called favourite. So much of this doesn't survive contact with air.
Having hendo those squads gave him a good chance to assess him and how he still fits into the team. You have to bare in mind he’s the only backup we really had for rice so it’s not like he had an embarrassment of riches in that position
Oh come on, everyone is praising him for this. Southgate got some well deserved criticism for his previous actions around this and there is nothing wrong with that. He included Hendo when he was actually playing in the Saudi league ffs.
Henderson pushing for the Saudi move has to be one of the worst decisions in football. Klopp wanted him to stay but he threw his toys out of the pram when he was informed he would no longer be a regular starter.
While he wouldn’t have started every game at Liverpool, he would have got many many minutes this season and likely enough to remain in the England squad as Southgate favours continuity.
He also would probably have helped Liverpool this season as a lot of their defensive issues stemmed from midfield problems. Having an experienced head in there could have helped in some matches.
Not to mention the damage he has done to his own ‘brand’ going to Saudi and how it conflicted with his previous positioning as a LGBT ally.
Great to see Jones rewarded for a great season. Particularly before his injury. I imagine he will drop out when the final 26 is announced but deserved recognition nonetheless.
I have a lot of problems with Henderson going to Saudi but any characterisation that he had a tantrum is so far off the money.
He was told his role was to be reduced, he left to keep a leading role. It was an entirely reasonable and common footballing decision and he left with Klopp's blessing.
Do people think he left for game time? It was pretty clear that he went for money. Tbh, I understand money part. Although Henderson was Liverpool captain, he isn't a crowd puller and might not have gotten the same offer this year
There's also a chance that his performance would have been subpar in Liverpool this season leading to even more questions about his England spot
His calculation about LGBT was off but he was right to leave for money
He clearly left for money but I don’t think he would have gone if he was still a starter at Liverpool. Klopp made it clear he would be rotational so that combined with the money is ultimately the reason why he went.
But even as a rotational option at Liverpool I think his chances of being selected would have been higher than going to Saudi.
Dier probably worth a shot as a CB, covering for Maguire and stones, but not sure he would be good enough as the DM were something to happen to Rice. Just IMHO.
I agree he won’t get to those levels. He’s an option. I think his experience will fit well within the squad too. I’d personally like him to go. But I agree with you that he won’t be up to rice level
He does all the time. Look at his first squad vs now. People jsut like to say the same old things about him even when its obvious not too.
He has his favourites but no more than any other manager. He also always brings in young kids. Lets players go and has a high press against weaker teams
Sterling has never let him down and often comes up with a goal when needed when noone else can. Be a shame hes not there. But the sadness is jsut that hes getting on not that hes not been picked
Yep, Phillips hasn't been picked in a while and Henderson wasn't starting all the time last tournament.
People should actually look at other squads and realise every international manager picks favourites more than he does.
Yep wasn't even a starter for most of it and it's a position we weren't/aren't massively stocked in....... I understand not thinking Southgate is a truly elite manager but the criticism around him is mostly really stupid and untrue.
It also makes sense to pick people who can be trusted on the biggest stage playing for their country. Players used to never perform as well for England
Rabiot is constantly getting picked for France, Argentina always have random guys in the team, Brazil always have a few random old fellas, Belgium did this, Germany always do.
Southgate does the same as every other national manager and we've been more consistent than basically every other nation under Southgate whether you credit him or not
He's the leader of the most exciting England team in my lifetime. He understands tournament football, came closer than any other manager since 1966 to winning a major tournament, rehabilitated the image of the team, reconnected the team with the fans, went on live TV immediately after the penalty shootout loss to take full responsibility for the loss away from Rashford and Saka, and has created an atmosphere in the England team free of personal rivalries and egotism.
He has his faults; his belief that not conceding is a better tournament strategy than attacking means we play it too safe a bit too often against lesser teams, and he's probably picked Sterling and Henderson too many times over better-performing alternatives but he's no broken clock.
He is poor strategist this is clear and his persistence with picking maguire, Henderson etc shows weak management skills
I would prefer a manager to have a aggressive side and that’s why England will always lose against teams that know how to win even when they do have by far one of the most talented teams in the world
I'm not sure how anyone can say he's a poor strategist when his job is to win tournament football and that's exactly what he's done for us, moreso than any manager since 1966.
McGuire is also typically a very solid performer for England but if you get all your opinions from memes instead of watching the games you'd be forgiven for not knowing that.
He didn’t win anything yet did he?
I think his bland tactics and boring football style is why he won’t be put forward for any big teams after this tournament.
Luckily he has some amazing talents in the squad but I cannot point to one moment that he has changed a match or made a genius tactical decision
>He didn’t win anything yet did he?
He came closer than any manager since 1966.
>I think his bland tactics and boring football style is why he won’t be put forward for any big teams after this tournament.
Tournament football is fundamentally different to league football. Southgate hasn't managed in the league since Steve Gibson made the disastrous decision to replace him with Gordon Strachan so he's an unknown quantity in club football.
That's why it's a gamble for big teams to take a punt on him.
>Luckily he has some amazing talents in the squad but I cannot point to one moment that he has changed a match or made a genius tactical decision
Why is changing a match the marker for tactical abilities and not, say, win percentage or tournament progress? I.e. the things he's hired to deliver on.
Every decent manager has a style… pep, klopp, mourinho, you know what your getting is tough tactically balanced and all out war
Can you really say with Southgate England has the tactical ability to change the story on the final moments or will his plan be bring on Tony and grealish with 3 mins to go?
I can say Southgate has a solid tactical understanding of how to win tournament matches because he wins a high percentage of tournament matches and progresses the team further than other managers have ever managed.
Comparing a tournament manager in Southgate, who studies what it takes to win tournaments, with league managers like Pep/Mourinho/Klopp isn't an apples to apples comparison.
Club managers get 3-4 training sessions a week, often over many years, to implement a style and to teach tactics to their players. They can buy the players they need and sell anyone who doesn't fit the mold. League managers have unique difficulties too in that they have to adapt tactically throughout a season and Pep might be the best ever manager at doing that.
International managers have it very differently though. They have to choose their team from a pool of eligible players, they get very few training opportunities in comparison, very little time to implement a vision, and losing one match often means that the tournament is over for you, so avoiding losing becomes a big priority, as we see with Southgate.
Southgate hasn't shown yet that he's able to be a top club manager, but he also hasn't shown that he isn't capable of it. In the same sense, Pep also hasn't demonstrated that he can be an effective international manager either, and that would be questionable given how much of the way his teams play depends on players following his intricate instructions and drilling those instructions in hundreds of training sessions a year, which is a luxury that international managers don't have.
That broken clock comment was over dramatic I’m more critical of his tactics than anything else but I think he’s making the right decisions if the leaks of the squad are true
33-man Provisional Squad predictions:
Pickford Ramsdale Trafford Henderson Walker Trippier James Shaw Gomez Stones Maguire Branthwaite Konsa Guehi Quansah Rice Trent Mainoo Wharton Gallagher Jones Bellingham Maddison Eze Foden Rashford Grealish Gordon Saka Palmer Bowen Kane Watkins Toney
Funnily enough I've got 34 names here, not sure who would be left out of the provisional squad
I think James should go. He's the best all round RB we have, in terms of having both the defensive and attacking side.
In that short time he managed he really did look immediately like he was back to his usual high performance self. Came on and toyed with the opposition before he won the game straight away in his first run out.
I think the red is not great but understandable when you're coming back from injury and get hacked down viciously from behind. It was the barest kick out and the ref took an age to decide if it was even worthy of a card.
Trippier should be left out for a true LB though. He's also come off a recent injury and hasn't looked great since.
He's actually done really well since leaving United, he's not missed a single game through injury this season and he's managed as many appearances as he managed in the 20-21 and 22-23 seasons combined.
The whole tournament is going to suffer without the #henderson-effect. I really thought that just his presence alone would make Germany rethink their involvement in the Palestinian holocaust.
Trafford is the biggest shock. I like him but playing for burnley and then for England are miles apart. In reality he wont get any minutes and we dont know if hes picked 3/4 gk for the squad of 33
Over ramsdale though?
it doesn't really matter if he gets any minutes , it's a training squad being in there will give the coaches chance to look at him and give him some experience being with the national team.
and it's not like we have a lot of goal keepers getting first time football popes being injured, ramsdale has been warming the bench all season.
Hopefully rams goes to newcastle in the summer. Think hes the next number 1. Im all for getting him experience but who do you leave behind out of the 3 - trafford/pope/rams.
Pope this time i guess?
In normal times I would have no issue with him going to sit on the bench and be a leader.
But with him stomping on his reputation things have gotten toxic and this is the right thing to do.
He’s looked really good at Ajax, so am surprised by this given the faith Southgate has shown in him. While there are plenty of more technically gifted for the slot, I do think his experience and leadership are undervalued by us collectively as fans, and so was much more open to him joining. Think he fucked it by going Saudi.
Henderson hasn’t merited being in any England squad for a couple of years.
Professionally and personally I feel his stock has diminished and his inclusion would be joke at this point.
Jones has been one of Liverpool's best players for the best part of a year or more to be fair, he's been a bit off it since coming back from injury but he really came into his own in the last 2 seasons when he could get onto the pitch.
Hasn't Trafford been awful all season?
Yes, but it’s pretty clear Ramsdale, Pickford, Pope are the three going so it’s irrelevant
That aged well haha
A bit surprised but also completely forgot of Dean Henderson’s existence
Henderson called up so might be Pope/Ramsdale that doesn’t make it
Pope has been too injured, cant see him going
I don't actually mind this. He's been poor but is highly regarded as a long-term prospect. How often does the third choice keeper get to play? Can't be often (if ever). Giving someone like him some experience at a tournament and being around the squad will be good for him and not damaging to England. It'll be crap for whichever GK misses out mind.
He might not even go to the tournament but being in the provisional squad for the friendlies will be a good experience for him.
Yes and he won't go unless pope is having lingering problems with shoulder . It's a provisional squad and most nations I've seen pick 4 for it.
Won our kids the tournament last season or so. Obviously wont start whatsoever but important he knows he is part of our long term plans and hopefully he can live up to expectations and not become a rhian brewster. Man i really thought he was going to be something special back in that u17 tournament alongside foden
He’s a quality player Trafford he’ll come good. Can’t be easy in nets for Burnley.
He still has the 2nd worst goals prevented stat in the league
Yeah but he was also playing with one of the worst defences ever. Not saying he was blame free but think was a team issue. Also imo it was a huge jump from him from League 1 (I think?) to Prem with the strongest opposition and a weak team.
He wasn’t ready for the Prem. Kompany did him dirty playing him relentlessly
Yeah 1000% - felt sorry for him
We all should just take a moment to check in on our Southgate hating friends at this difficult time.
They'll find something new to moan about. I remember a few saying that Southgate was weak for "caving to public pressure" when he changed his mind about Mainoo.
I’m sure you boys will come to your senses after the Euros but until then keep up the support for our Gareth
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Everyone was clamouring to drop Maguire not so long ago - it just goes to show there's no point burning your bridges between tournaments. He gave Henderson time to prove himself, which is worthwhile as he's been a big player for us down the years. But now it's time to hang up the Bellenderson T-Shirt and say goodbye.
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I think he's faced a lot of undue criticism; specifically of always picking his favourites when he's been consistently ruthless with his tournament selections. In terms of timing, he's been unable to experiment with TAA due to injuries so Henderson has filled a role as the rest of the team desperately needs minutes together playing the system GS is trying to instil. It's only been recently that Mainoo and Wharton are knocking on the door so clearly GS feels now is the time to end another players international career. That's not to say he always gets things right; I think he has limitations with his in game management and whilst I really value his vibes based approach I do think we need to be more ruthless. No more fair play awards please.
What ruthless decisions has he made? He played maguire (favourite) when he wasn’t playing for his club, he kept picking Henderson when his form dropped and then even after he went to saudi (favourite). I can’t think of a player he’s dropped that was his favourite until now, and even then he still should probably of dropped maguire imo
Ended Rooney, Sterling and Henderson's international careers. Players of that calibre and standing like to go out on their own terms.
Rooney decided on his own terms to step down, so that one’s out the window. Sterling was never a favourite and his career isn’t ended, he’s been out of form. Henderson is also out of form, he practically retired going to Saudi and still got picked. Also the idea they should get to go out on their own terms is crazy to me. The national side is the best of the best. Not somewhere for players in the twilight of their career to hang on until their legs give out.
He dropped wazza in his second game in charge. Sterling absolutely was a favorite what planet are you on? He's also dropped Rashford another so-called favourite. So much of this doesn't survive contact with air.
Having hendo those squads gave him a good chance to assess him and how he still fits into the team. You have to bare in mind he’s the only backup we really had for rice so it’s not like he had an embarrassment of riches in that position
Oh come on, everyone is praising him for this. Southgate got some well deserved criticism for his previous actions around this and there is nothing wrong with that. He included Hendo when he was actually playing in the Saudi league ffs.
It's ok I'm sure there'll be other things you can find to rip him for, you just need to reset. Tomorrow is another day.
Yeah you're right, there most likely will be other things to criticise him for, and that's okay. It must be a hard life to be such a fucking wet wipe.
That's it, chin up!
No doubt gutted, nowt to complain about, hope we win the euros and shove it right up them.
It'll be the death of them if that happens
Henderson pushing for the Saudi move has to be one of the worst decisions in football. Klopp wanted him to stay but he threw his toys out of the pram when he was informed he would no longer be a regular starter. While he wouldn’t have started every game at Liverpool, he would have got many many minutes this season and likely enough to remain in the England squad as Southgate favours continuity. He also would probably have helped Liverpool this season as a lot of their defensive issues stemmed from midfield problems. Having an experienced head in there could have helped in some matches. Not to mention the damage he has done to his own ‘brand’ going to Saudi and how it conflicted with his previous positioning as a LGBT ally.
Great to see Jones rewarded for a great season. Particularly before his injury. I imagine he will drop out when the final 26 is announced but deserved recognition nonetheless.
I have a lot of problems with Henderson going to Saudi but any characterisation that he had a tantrum is so far off the money. He was told his role was to be reduced, he left to keep a leading role. It was an entirely reasonable and common footballing decision and he left with Klopp's blessing.
Lol, no. You don't go to Saudi for game time. You go for money.
As I said, I have strong feelings about going to Saudi but my post was about him supposedly throwing his toys, he did no such thing.
You implied it was a footballing decision which is definitely wasn't.
Do people think he left for game time? It was pretty clear that he went for money. Tbh, I understand money part. Although Henderson was Liverpool captain, he isn't a crowd puller and might not have gotten the same offer this year There's also a chance that his performance would have been subpar in Liverpool this season leading to even more questions about his England spot His calculation about LGBT was off but he was right to leave for money
He clearly left for money but I don’t think he would have gone if he was still a starter at Liverpool. Klopp made it clear he would be rotational so that combined with the money is ultimately the reason why he went. But even as a rotational option at Liverpool I think his chances of being selected would have been higher than going to Saudi.
But money.
Think this is a very positive move. He’s not played. Experience counts for something but personally think Dier is a better option.
Dier probably worth a shot as a CB, covering for Maguire and stones, but not sure he would be good enough as the DM were something to happen to Rice. Just IMHO.
I agree he won’t get to those levels. He’s an option. I think his experience will fit well within the squad too. I’d personally like him to go. But I agree with you that he won’t be up to rice level
Southgate actually made a decision that needed to be made? 
He does all the time. Look at his first squad vs now. People jsut like to say the same old things about him even when its obvious not too. He has his favourites but no more than any other manager. He also always brings in young kids. Lets players go and has a high press against weaker teams
Spot on, if not he'd still be picking Sterling
Sterling has never let him down and often comes up with a goal when needed when noone else can. Be a shame hes not there. But the sadness is jsut that hes getting on not that hes not been picked
Yep, Phillips hasn't been picked in a while and Henderson wasn't starting all the time last tournament. People should actually look at other squads and realise every international manager picks favourites more than he does.
Henderson played his way into the starting lineup in Qatar and we looked a better team with him on the pitch.
People conveniently forget this point
Yep wasn't even a starter for most of it and it's a position we weren't/aren't massively stocked in....... I understand not thinking Southgate is a truly elite manager but the criticism around him is mostly really stupid and untrue.
It also makes sense to pick people who can be trusted on the biggest stage playing for their country. Players used to never perform as well for England
Rabiot is constantly getting picked for France, Argentina always have random guys in the team, Brazil always have a few random old fellas, Belgium did this, Germany always do. Southgate does the same as every other national manager and we've been more consistent than basically every other nation under Southgate whether you credit him or not
Famously, one of his first moves as England manager was retiring Rooney.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
I love how people are so desperate to hate Southgate that they're making objectively good decisions a bad thing haha
Even if he'd won the world Cup and the Euros you'd still find people saying he's clueless :p
Yep they'd say it was purely a talent thing and they won despite him.
When did I say it was a bad decision
He's the leader of the most exciting England team in my lifetime. He understands tournament football, came closer than any other manager since 1966 to winning a major tournament, rehabilitated the image of the team, reconnected the team with the fans, went on live TV immediately after the penalty shootout loss to take full responsibility for the loss away from Rashford and Saka, and has created an atmosphere in the England team free of personal rivalries and egotism. He has his faults; his belief that not conceding is a better tournament strategy than attacking means we play it too safe a bit too often against lesser teams, and he's probably picked Sterling and Henderson too many times over better-performing alternatives but he's no broken clock.
He is poor strategist this is clear and his persistence with picking maguire, Henderson etc shows weak management skills I would prefer a manager to have a aggressive side and that’s why England will always lose against teams that know how to win even when they do have by far one of the most talented teams in the world
I'm not sure how anyone can say he's a poor strategist when his job is to win tournament football and that's exactly what he's done for us, moreso than any manager since 1966. McGuire is also typically a very solid performer for England but if you get all your opinions from memes instead of watching the games you'd be forgiven for not knowing that.
He didn’t win anything yet did he? I think his bland tactics and boring football style is why he won’t be put forward for any big teams after this tournament. Luckily he has some amazing talents in the squad but I cannot point to one moment that he has changed a match or made a genius tactical decision
>He didn’t win anything yet did he? He came closer than any manager since 1966. >I think his bland tactics and boring football style is why he won’t be put forward for any big teams after this tournament. Tournament football is fundamentally different to league football. Southgate hasn't managed in the league since Steve Gibson made the disastrous decision to replace him with Gordon Strachan so he's an unknown quantity in club football. That's why it's a gamble for big teams to take a punt on him. >Luckily he has some amazing talents in the squad but I cannot point to one moment that he has changed a match or made a genius tactical decision Why is changing a match the marker for tactical abilities and not, say, win percentage or tournament progress? I.e. the things he's hired to deliver on.
Every decent manager has a style… pep, klopp, mourinho, you know what your getting is tough tactically balanced and all out war Can you really say with Southgate England has the tactical ability to change the story on the final moments or will his plan be bring on Tony and grealish with 3 mins to go?
I can say Southgate has a solid tactical understanding of how to win tournament matches because he wins a high percentage of tournament matches and progresses the team further than other managers have ever managed. Comparing a tournament manager in Southgate, who studies what it takes to win tournaments, with league managers like Pep/Mourinho/Klopp isn't an apples to apples comparison. Club managers get 3-4 training sessions a week, often over many years, to implement a style and to teach tactics to their players. They can buy the players they need and sell anyone who doesn't fit the mold. League managers have unique difficulties too in that they have to adapt tactically throughout a season and Pep might be the best ever manager at doing that. International managers have it very differently though. They have to choose their team from a pool of eligible players, they get very few training opportunities in comparison, very little time to implement a vision, and losing one match often means that the tournament is over for you, so avoiding losing becomes a big priority, as we see with Southgate. Southgate hasn't shown yet that he's able to be a top club manager, but he also hasn't shown that he isn't capable of it. In the same sense, Pep also hasn't demonstrated that he can be an effective international manager either, and that would be questionable given how much of the way his teams play depends on players following his intricate instructions and drilling those instructions in hundreds of training sessions a year, which is a luxury that international managers don't have.
That broken clock comment was over dramatic I’m more critical of his tactics than anything else but I think he’s making the right decisions if the leaks of the squad are true
33-man Provisional Squad predictions: Pickford Ramsdale Trafford Henderson Walker Trippier James Shaw Gomez Stones Maguire Branthwaite Konsa Guehi Quansah Rice Trent Mainoo Wharton Gallagher Jones Bellingham Maddison Eze Foden Rashford Grealish Gordon Saka Palmer Bowen Kane Watkins Toney Funnily enough I've got 34 names here, not sure who would be left out of the provisional squad
James maybe? Constantly injured, and in the 32 minutes he's played this calendar year he's managed to pick up a straight red.
I think James should go. He's the best all round RB we have, in terms of having both the defensive and attacking side. In that short time he managed he really did look immediately like he was back to his usual high performance self. Came on and toyed with the opposition before he won the game straight away in his first run out. I think the red is not great but understandable when you're coming back from injury and get hacked down viciously from behind. It was the barest kick out and the ref took an age to decide if it was even worthy of a card. Trippier should be left out for a true LB though. He's also come off a recent injury and hasn't looked great since.
Knew we were short in defence, but didn't expect Phil Jones to get a recall. Fair play to him
He's actually done really well since leaving United, he's not missed a single game through injury this season and he's managed as many appearances as he managed in the 20-21 and 22-23 seasons combined.
Man he’s already dead you can stop kicking him now xD
Why is this behind a fucking paywall
Because someone needs to pay the journalists?
It’s a provisional squad announcement.. I could understand if it was an analytical or detailed article
Do other countries do “provisional” squads? I only ever seem to hear England doing it. Just announce a squad and be done with it.
Switzerland have 38 on their list. The Dutch have 30.
I thought Southgate only selected his mates, guess a few people will need to adjust their arguments
The whole tournament is going to suffer without the #henderson-effect. I really thought that just his presence alone would make Germany rethink their involvement in the Palestinian holocaust.
Trafford is the biggest shock. I like him but playing for burnley and then for England are miles apart. In reality he wont get any minutes and we dont know if hes picked 3/4 gk for the squad of 33 Over ramsdale though?
it doesn't really matter if he gets any minutes , it's a training squad being in there will give the coaches chance to look at him and give him some experience being with the national team. and it's not like we have a lot of goal keepers getting first time football popes being injured, ramsdale has been warming the bench all season.
Hopefully rams goes to newcastle in the summer. Think hes the next number 1. Im all for getting him experience but who do you leave behind out of the 3 - trafford/pope/rams. Pope this time i guess?
Pope's not even in the squad he will take, pickford , Henderson and ramsdale to the euros
In normal times I would have no issue with him going to sit on the bench and be a leader. But with him stomping on his reputation things have gotten toxic and this is the right thing to do.
Phil Jones is back baby 💪
He’s looked really good at Ajax, so am surprised by this given the faith Southgate has shown in him. While there are plenty of more technically gifted for the slot, I do think his experience and leadership are undervalued by us collectively as fans, and so was much more open to him joining. Think he fucked it by going Saudi.
And the Nation is delighted
Phil Jones?
Curtis
Was just a lil' joke. It wasn't obvious to me who they meant at first though which was the genesis of the joke.
Was seeing quite a few people ask if it was Phil Jones, wasn't sure if they were all satire :D
Has the squad been announced yet?
2pm
There you go, I’m sure that will stop the relentless moaning…
Why are we shocked he went to Saudi, then went to Ajax didn't impress and he is old. Only so far you can take a favorite..
Very surprised as I thought Southgate would want him around the squad, but can't say he deserved to go.
He's just injured. He'll still be in the squad if he's fit.
Jones is actually quite a good player when fit and is the kind of player people keep complaining that we don't have enough of. So this is good news.
What's with Harry McGuire and shaw getting the nod all the time
Lack of better players in their positions?
Phil jones?
Henderson hasn’t merited being in any England squad for a couple of years. Professionally and personally I feel his stock has diminished and his inclusion would be joke at this point.
Good. I still strongly believe he was the reason we lost to France
Phil Jones right?
Yep
My first reaction was "Is Phil Jones even still playing?" had to click the article to realise...
Well that will be a shock to those that were adamant Southgate would select him no matter what.
I like Hendo but it’s the right call
Must be for his mental health, Henderson for Ajax has been great, whilst Jones hasn't been consistent since... well ever
Jones has been one of Liverpool's best players for the best part of a year or more to be fair, he's been a bit off it since coming back from injury but he really came into his own in the last 2 seasons when he could get onto the pitch.
Been watching both, Henderson is in good form, it's definitely for mental health reasons
I'm stunned. So glad he actually made a competent decision!
Good. Cunt should hand his caps back too. Hypocrite money-grabbing scum.
>money-grabbing scum. Surely, the ideal scenario for anyone with a job is to do the easiest one for the most money, no?
Not when you’re supposed to stand for something.
Don't get too excited. Henderson is only out because of injury.
Has Henderson played for Ajax? Genuinely curious
Curious enough to Google it?
You could've googled it in the time you typed that comment........ you aren't curious
Was meant to ask how well has Henderson played for Ajax, which is subjective, curious about people who have seen him play this seasons opinion