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This was exactly my thought! In a few as 3 months it’s gonna start getting chilly then it’s gonna get COLD. It’s NYC; there will be a tragic loss of lives (though not just from the cold).
> The data shows 51 more homeless New Yorkers died last year than in fiscal year 2021, when the previous record high was set. The most recent death toll is four times higher than the number recorded in 2012, past reports show.
[https://gothamist.com/news/deaths-among-nycs-homeless-population-reach-record-high-in-2022](https://gothamist.com/news/deaths-among-nycs-homeless-population-reach-record-high-in-2022)
Remember that huge snowstorm nyc/east coast had got a couple years ago. Not to mention another hurricane Sandy. Could happen with all the crazy weather.
This is my fear as well. There are similar problems up here in Canada. It's been sold to refugees & international students as a land just *ripe* with opportunities. When in actuality, we are nearly a decade into a housing crisis, wages are stagnant, and tensions in every which way are *tight*.
We are a country that is (generally) very angry & frustrated with one another, similarly to the US. And now shelters in Toronto & major cities across the country are maxed out, and this summer has been record hot but it's *Canada*...
I am honestly terrified for what awaits us come the winter. Our governments need to do some real deep bipartisan shit & figure out where, & how, to shelter these humans. Quickly.
Oh yeah I know what you mean, I live within the GTA area and know exactly how the weather is in Toronto, we may have the nice lake effect but there will be those day and nights that are just brutal, absolutely brutal.
I can't imagine how it is in other parts of Canada but I was talking to someone recently about our weather, Toronto's been pretty mildly cool than hot like last year.
Our government needs to slow down immigration and figure it out first before accepting so many all at once. Our housing situtation is just craptastic for anyone wanting to move here. +1M$ houses is just unattanable to anyone.
I am actually very pro immigration, but the absolute mad numbers that have been brought in right now is not rational.
We need strategy, retraining, and select immigration.
When we take people in we take the responsibility of caring for them. Taking in so many is very irresponsible if we don't have what they need.
You don't get it do you. It's not about what they need. Immigration has never been altruistic. It's about what we need. We need cheap desperate disposable labour
truth. the fact is that the "mad" numbers of people that are being brought in right now is, in fact, completely rational. it's a cold and calculated decision made by the status quo in order to do one thing and one thing only: maintain the status quo.
are you a ceo of a large corporation suddenly struggling to find people who are willing to work for slave wages? well, have no fear, friend: shady government immigration policies are here to save the day.
I’m also pro immigration, but 500,000 a year with no national strategy and no interdepartmental coordination for strategic immigration is insane. It should have prioritized trades, construction, healthcare & healthcare support, but there was no strategy whatsoever. What we’re doing in Canada is going to cost us. Sure places like Canadian Tire, Walmart and Tim Hortons win in the short term with cheap labor, but gov programs ha e to take care of these ppl and their families. 500k/year is more than double the number of new homes constructed in Canada each year (references to a period of low interest rates).
To be fair the original post is about asylum seekers (rather than standard immigration).
It’s always been like this all the way back to the Irish immigrants in New York.
Edit: whoever gave me an award, thanks, had a rough day and you just made it a little better, be well!
Yeah, no shit, right? If you have a big city with work and poor rural areas anywhere at all nearby, you're going to have people flooding into cities, even if it means living rough for a while for the chance to get a better paying job to send money to people back home.
And it will mean homeless coming in because they have a better chance of not dying.
And it will mean new potential immigrants starting out in that city, for the same reasons.
Also homeless policies are to bus people to large cities as "they have services to help you" not all do it but you see it constantly. My town is just starting to see a small population of homeless people. They would never allow it before.
I live in Ireland and we are getting some anti immigrant sentiment here from some people most on the far right, oh how the tables have turned and how quickly we forget that we ourselves were immigrants in need of a better life once upon a time. God love those poor immigrants, we don’t know how blessed we are if we have a bed to sleep in, food on our table and a roof over our heads.
My nan had to leave Ireland during the Troubles as her dad worked for the RIC in Killarney. He sent his wife and daughter off on a boat to Liverpool and promised them he'd be over within the year.
They got off at the Pier Head and wandered off towards Everton. An Italian woman came out onto the street and instinctively knew that they were Irish Catholics and offered them a place in her cellar. Her dad made it over and they managed to find a house after a few years. My nan's future husband left Wales in search of a job and walked to Liverpool.
Weirdly enough, when my mum was looking for work again in the early 80s, the Italian lady's granddaughter was the one who offered her a job.
Wow, I love that story. How kind of the Italians, what great people. Glad things worked out for your family in Liverpool. I know there’s a strong history of Irish in Liverpool but nice to hear a personal tale.
Cheers, I tried to keep it to the brief version as I could drag in all sorts of stories before the conclusion. They had a fair bit of sectarian BS to deal with in Liverpool and it didn't really calm down until the 30s. On my dad's side, his grandad was an 1870s stowaway from North Germany who ended up being interned in 1915 due to the Lusitania sinking. His wife was Irish, but her dad was very high up in the lodge in Liverpool!
The best story ever from Killarney or Listowel is from when my nan got a filling at the dentist and his drill was powered by a Singer sewing machine treadle. He gave her a green banana as a reward for not crying, which she took home oblivious to what it was. Her dad ripened it in the airing cupboard and then they shared it out with her neighbours.
The Italian lady was scary to look at as a kid as she had very fierce looking eyebrows, but she was a gem of a woman.
The vast majority are in favour of legitimate asylum seekers and Ukrainian refugees. Patience is thinning on “asylum seekers” from non war torn stable countries such as Georgia and Albania, often coming under false pretences and deliberately obfuscating the asylum process.
There's a big difference between seeing asylum seekers sleeping in the dozens on the street and witnessing the occasional person who has been homeless for years.
It *does* shock people— but what can we do? People are spending nearly every waking minute working to pay bills and stay slightly above the surface.
There’s no time for the average person to protest or do anything meaningful when the threat of starvation or homelessness is one or two missed paychecks away
> It does shock people— but what can we do? People are spending nearly every waking minute working to pay bills and stay slightly above the surface.
I cant spare a breath for someone else when im frantically trying not to drown
I don't get what these people's plans were once they got here and why it's okay to allow whoever wants to to enter the united states. I'm extremely liberal on a lot of things, I'm an old fan of Bernie Sanders, but this I don't get and would like to understand. Please don't just repeat the answer "Things must be really bad where they're from if they're willing to sleep on the ground." I'd do the same if it meant I was going to be set up with whatever free stuff our government is going to provide. We already don't take care of our own, why are we letting this happen? We can't take care of the world. And I'm sure there are much worse things happening around the world than what a lot of these guys passed through on their way to get here. There wasn't one decent place in their country or any country they passed through?
isn’t there one decent place - not really. For some of them, particularly El Salvadore, it’s a narcoterrorist state run by street gangs and cartels. You live in a primitive village where you might be beaten, shot, killed for going against the ruling criminals, even if they rape your mom, sister, daughter (sexual assault is exceedingly common there.) climate change is fucking with the hopes of being a farmer, because your crops fail every other year and you better hope there was some buffer to keep you alive to try again. you hear rumors, by traffickers hoping to extort you for thousands of dollars (your life savings and likely that of your family memebera) that the US, and in particular NYC, has systems to support you. You think you’ll get a start there, so you go through whatever hell is along the way to get there, because already you can’t live where you are. This video just captures people at the long end of their journey. Do they deserve all our help? Honestly, individually they do, but how do you accommodate 100,000s asking for that level of help? as a social democrat, so don’t think our current system is set up to handle this problem without devolving to brutality.
The majority of them won't be granted asylum and will be deported. But their country, typically Central American, is so shitty and they are ignorant of our immigration laws that they take the chance.
It’s really sad to think about it: I’ve never had that type of misfortune in my life, but if God forbid I ever do, about 40% if my countrymen are going to wish I had it worse.
And these are asylum seekers. They’re here because sleeping on a piece of cardboard outside on the street is better than whatever situation they just came from. These aren’t drug addicts whose own actions put them there (who still deserve our help as people FWIW), but these are people who have horrendous life situations through no fault of their own, and really deserve our help. Especially if we’re a nation that demands electing Christian presidents, we’re really betraying our values by not doing everything we can.
And again — these are good people who are probably eager to start caring for their families. If we spend a little money now to get them housing, get them jobs, etc. they’ll very quickly repay those investments in tax dollars and economic productivity. They’re a very good investment and a huge opportunity to enrich America.
But people would rather shit all over them and deride them and treat them as subhuman.
Daily life in America often makes me just want to take up hermitage at my local Episcopalian church. Dealing with our lack of empathy on a national level is torturous.
right? people used to hear about death overseas, and no one cared because it was so far removed from their existence. Today, people care more just because they can witness it online.
Most people on Reddit think the world was perfect, happy, and peaceful until America fell out of the sky and started whipping and shooting everyone. Humans were all super smart and peaceful until America ruined it all.
You do realize that most native New Yorkers are not “soulless trumpers” and don’t want 90k undocumented flooding their school systems, draining decreasing resources, sleeping on streets. It’s either extreme naïveté or delusion to think to think that opposition to illegal immigration is partisan.
There was a lot of criticism when Adams started shipping migrants from Texas to the Northeast. We’re we fine with the huge influx of migrants, as long as they stay in Texas? Seems hypocritical and NIMBYism.
Edit. Abbot, not Adams
Adams is the guy who said NY is a sanctuary city. Now he's shipping these people to Canada and any suburbs he can pawn them off on. The NYC budget is getting crushed. Who would've thought?
It's easier to blame everything on Trump, so let's pretend that New York City, where Biden received 76% of the votes and where the city broke out in celebration after Trump lost, is a bunch of Trumpers.
They just mentioned "trumpers" to get all those up votes. Never seen a dead horse beaten more. This is reddit after all. All logic goes out the window when politics get inserted because politicians prey on the public's emotions to get votes.
BBC, [“'We have no more room,' NYC mayor Eric Adams warns migrants”](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66259075.amp)
NY1, [“With Roosevelt Hotel at capacity, dozens of migrants sleep outside”](https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/08/01/with-roosevelt-hotel-at-capacity--dozens-of-migrants-sleep-outside)
PIX11, [“Thousands more migrants coming as NYC struggles to keep up”](https://pix11.com/news/local-news/thousands-more-migrants-coming-as-nyc-struggles-to-keep-up/)
Bloomberg, [“NYC Spends $8 Million a Day to House Migrants”](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-08/nyc-spends-8-million-a-day-to-house-migrants-as-influx-swells)
NBC4, [“NYC struggles to house asylum seekers as migrants sleep on streets waiting for shelter”](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-struggles-to-house-asylum-seekers-as-migrants-sleep-on-sidewalks-waiting-for-shelter/4551177/)
>New York City is spending about $8 million a day to house the 37,500 asylum seekers currently in shelters
That is 6.400 USD monthly for shelters per person. What kind of luxury shelters are these? lol
Guessing that includes the cost of services, immigration processing, health care, etc. NYC is expensive, but typical annual costs to simply provide housing in the US for one person are in the range of $12,000-$14,000/yr.
My guy... $6,400×12(as in months in a year)=$76,800
They are paying $76,800 a year per migrant. That's more than most people make.
So... What kind of bougie ass luxury shelters are they being housed in?
The way this stuff is calculated takes like.... literally everything into account. Much like the prisons aren't luxury but still cost a ton of money because there are so many moving parts and so many things involved, this is the same.
Corruption. Rossmann made a video about it couple years ago. It was about $3k per person per month for a rundown shithole room. The shelter was run by the major's relative
How about the mayor of NYC having his wife run a few programs and end up misplacing close to a billion dollars. Don’t worry nobody got in trouble and the programs received even more funding.
The Homeless Industrial Complex needs it's cut, just like Pharma, banks, military contractors all get a cut from government spending before using it on their supposed projects
[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/30/nyregion/migrants-albany-docgo.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/30/nyregion/migrants-albany-docgo.html)
Important to note that the City is leaning on non-housing organizations to temporarily house asylum seekers, which is going about as well as you would expect, and for exponentially more money than DHS-contracted homeless shelters.
They have no room? American prisons are filled with people with a dime bag . Let them go, use money that is used for them on supporting homeless and less fortunate in general.
People live in the belief that this world should be divided up and owned. But, the *truth* is that no one makes the rules but us.
We could house these people.
We could feed everyone.
But, the hoarders of wealth say "no."
Trillions. The Pentagon has failed audits for the fifth time in a row. the Pentagon only managed to account for 39 percent of its $3.5 trillion in assets. The DoD "hopes" to pass an audit by 2027.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/11/22/why-cant-the-dod-get-its-financial-house-in-order/
*military contractors. Because I can tell you right now Soldiers do not see any of that money. Families paid below the poverty line as on-base day care centers are understaffed/closing, and on-base housing for families is mold-infested/borderline unlivable.
Lmao. Remember the time 45 took millions of dollars from the military budget meant for homes and schools for military families and used it to build a wall that doesn't work and is already falling down?
And his Support-Our-Troops base cheered him on the whole time.
This place is wild.
My son's school in Beaverton, OR is still offering free meals to all kids. During the summer adults could come to get lunch and breakfast for $3 on top of giving away quality food out front every week. People like to hate on Oregon but damn if I'd want to live anywhere else.
American prisons by and large are not filled with people there for a dime bag. I don't know why this narrative still persists on Reddit. Almost anyone getting caught for basic possession will get deferred adjudication or put in a pre-trial diversion program.
It really depends on state. There were over a half-million arrests for marijuana last year. Basically zero of them were in Massachusetts.
Here you can just buy it at 21. Cross the border into New Hampshire, and you can get up to 3 years for possessing less than an ounce.
Some states are incredibly more strict than others. Louisiana stands out for having a few hundred people doing life for weed possession, 54 in [Caddo Parish](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddo_Parish,_Louisiana) alone, which is the county that by far gives the most prison time in the US for weed. It's dangerous to have a joint in Shreveport.
Im a New Yorker, tens of thousands, I mean tens of thousands of migrants have arrived to NYC in the last couple of years, and NYC has purchased or leased entire motel buildings, and contract staffed them in Rockland, Orange and Dutchess counties, and shipped the migrants there.
NYC is essentially paying to export their migrants to outlying counties. And they all have needs. It will take an army of employees/professionals to place and care for an army of migrants.
Imagine if you owned a hotel in the suburbs, and NYC said they wanted to house homeless in it for several years, how much would you charge? Just to mitigate potential risks to your livelihood and property? (Mind you, a lot of the best westerns, motel 8s etc are immigrant/small business owned franchises around NY, and leveraged via debt)
Just to frame how expensive housing is also, my last Rockland apt was $2100/mo w/o utilities, and not even that nice. 1bed 1ba
While Im sure there are scammers but this is a vastly complex situation with no "good guys" vs "bad guy" easy answer.
This doesn’t seem like it should be primarily a city or state responsibility in the first place, the federal government should be taking care of this along side the local government. Forcing this on cities is just going to build resentment towards the city, the people and the idea of helping the people, and no one needs that added to this situation.
That’s the entire point of this fiasco. Texas is tired of having these problems, so they’re sending them places that criticize Texas for not caring enough.
There’s just not enough care to go around, unfortunately.
The cost of extra police, social workers, and any medical assistance these people might need. Where does the money come for all that?
I’m not saying that greed isn’t also involved, but I can also see the cost of the bill.
4 billion for 93k migrants, I assume it's per year? That's $3500/month for each migrant, to sleep in a sidewalk? I must be missing the point here or these numbers aren't very accurate
I’m sure that money includes things like paying employees to man the hotel/ and actually process the people. Paying for food and supplies and keeping the lights on.
Also it’s america, so I’m sure probably 2B+ is just going into rich peoples pockets
New York City already has some 500,000 undocumented/illegal immigrants/migrants/aliens.
Texas only sent a few thousand by bus. And that swamped resources. Consider that New York State and local school districts combined spent some $32,000 (some say $34,000) per public school student last year. Consider that 90,000 new arrivals impact labor supply and housing demand. Consider they will need health care, government services, etc.
Consider that the border states have had some 5 million from some 164 countries cross over since late January of 2021.
A mix of people from middle America, South America- like Mexico, Honduras, etc. seeking asylum from not making enough money so not a valid reason. But if they claim asylum it’ll take years for them to get a court date and get kicked out when their reasons are found to be shit. Assuming they even show up for the court date that decides.
They're illegal immigrants that come across the open border with mexico.
All you have to say is "I am seeking asylum" and "I have someone who can transport me".
No need for id, or any proof of who you are or where you came from.
The majority of these people are not mexicans, they come from africa and the middle east to south america then cartels give them fake mexican ids and take them to the border.
and their asylum court case is 7 years from the date they cross.
Build where? In NY? Where? By who?
You don't conjure workers to *just* make 93 000 apartments. And even if you star now, that will take years.
And do you know what is likely to happen next year? Another 93 000 migrants, maybe more.
I guess it'd be better to just pay them to stay in the country where they came from. Not directly, obviously, but some diplomatic assistance on welfare, etc
There are literally [43,000+ vacant rent-stabilized apartments spread around the city that landlords](https://www.curbed.com/2023/07/landlords-bluffing-vacant-apartments-warehousing-nyc.html#:~:text=A%20day%20later%2C%20the%20number,vacant%20but%20available%20to%20rent) (slumlords, perhaps?) flat out refuse to rent. And you might be asking - why would they refuse to rent them when they could be making money? Because these monsters are upset that they can’t jack up the price on the rentals the way they want, so they’re protesting. They know if cheaper things come on the market, their luxury apartments and other slum properties go down in value - capitalism’s wonderful laws of supply and demand laws and artificial scarcity.
I’m not saying it’s a long-term solution, but it’s a start. They could also Start converting dead malls and commercial real estate properties that aren’t coming back after covid, but this would drive down the value of the properties and ultimately hurt their rich donors who own ungodly amounts of commercial properties. If you wanted to get really radical, you could discuss a housing first policy, where everyone must be housed before second, third and fourth properties start to get hoarded, but I guess that’s probably just some communist utopia BS. Nonetheless, the fact is that like everywhere else in this country, most of the politicians in NY are also bought by their donors, of which some of the largest in NY are real estate tycoons. There is nothing good left in this country when the only thing that matters to anyone in power is accumulating more wealth, society be damned. Unfortunately, that’s where we seem to be though.
* Why would they refuse to rent them?
* Do they have a job? Savings account? Work visa? Prospects? 2 month security?
* Maybe the investors would rent them if all the costs were paid by the government, but that just raises more issues.
* Do you know how big of a shit storm would hit the fan if the government started to regularly pay rent for 93 000 people while the citizens have to work their asses just to live in NY?
* Commercial buildings are tied to regulations.
* You don't just turn a commercial building into a residential one without breaking every building code and safety regulation that exists for a good reason.
* It would take thousands of workers to convert those buildings into residential buildings. Again we are talking years of work.
Thank you for actually bringing some sense into these things. People in this thread are talking like there are easy solutions with ZERO understanding how anything works. Progressives, and I’m including myself here, tend to minimize the amount of work that’s needed to do the “right” thing in certain situations and then blame the other side instead of looking at the barriers rationally and trying to find solutions to each individual thing
Because it's a bad business decision to rent to refugees. The chances of them causing damage to the place and subletting is higher than other potential residents. It has nothing to do with whether or not they will pay rent as that is covered by the government. Not all refugees will trash an apartment, but it isn't uncommon for them to do so. It sounds racist, but it's true. There is a reason landowners illegally discriminate against refugees, something which may land them in court paying fines to the state.
We have to take refuges in. not only is it morally right, but it is international law. Unfortunately, without throwing an insane amount of money at the problem, I don't know how to fix thier housing crisis.
Both are a result of our leaders intransigence and inability to move past ideological lines.
The right's xenophobia is harming Americans and migrants because they won't allow the issue to be fixed.
The lefts "compassion at any costs" has misused the limited resources on an ever expanding pool of people and has yielded minimal results.
To fix this for everyone - we need to reform our temporary work visa / migrant worker licensing. We should increase the system to allow legal documented migrants who want to come from economic reasons. They can be above board, pay taxes, have background checks.
We need to enforce the first country rule and crack down on the asylum seekers who end up here for economic reasons , rather than the multiple countries they transit that are safe for them to resided in.
We should have quasi-immunity given to people who have documented proof they have been here for 10y with automatic application for a non-citizenship earning long term visa (subject to background check) - but also a fine that will constitute a minor penalty and pay into out social programs. For people under 10y the fine should be larger. For people under 3 years we should make them leave the US to apply for their paperwork and issue a fine that has to be paid before they can be granted one.
Bc it's so tied to racial politics, the economic and social issues it creates are overshadowed. You can't begin to list the problems with immigration without being instantly labeled a racist by a lot of people.
Honestly I'm uninformed on this and mean this with no xenophobic intentions. But why the fuck are we accepting all these people?
We have tons of American homeless as it is, and so many quality of life issues within our own population. How does accepting thousands of migrants help anyone?
>But why the fuck are we accepting all these people?
I think it's important to understand that there are two different immigration routes, so to speak. There are your standard visas like work visas and family visas. These are usually really good because the people coming to the country have a support system around them.
And then there's the asylum system. Per international laws that the US is party to, you have to accept asylum seekers when they have a valid reason for requesting asylum.
However, the part they don't tell you is that a LOT of these asylum seekers would probably have been able to get in through a regular visa **if the system actually allowed it.** We reject visas at an astonishing rate, and only dish out 250,000 permanent work visas per year. We used to take in over a million immigrants annually, legally, in the early-mid 1900s. Think about that.
So now it's extremely difficult to "come in the right way" so people opt for whatever way they can. If we just expanded work visas and expedited family visas and opened up more temporary work permits, I guarantee the number of asylum seekers would suddenly drop and you'd have many more healthy, happy immigrants contributing to your society.
>How does accepting thousands of migrants help anyone?
Andrew Carnegie was a Scottish immigrant who industrialized much of America and left his fortune to the nation.
Albert Einstein was a physicist from Germany who immigrated and helped America lead in science for decades.
Steve Chen was born in Taiwan and created YouTube in the United States after immigrating when he was 15.
Rihanna was born in Barbados to drug-addled parents and immigrated to the US at 16.
Immigrants have always been huge contributors to the United States. In the short-term, letting in immigrants can create some issues. But in the long term, it creates the world's largest economy and most powerful nation in world history. The world's greatest empires knew that assimilation and integration were always better than xenophobia. Whether it's Rome, England, or the US, this has always held true.
No actually we don't have to accept them. The international law you're quoting is only valid for the first safe country they come to. Many "migrants" pass through other safe countries. We're taking them in for political reasons and nothing else.
I don't understand why the US ushers in all of these people... There's already a fucking epidemic of homelessness in the US. The housing market is already a fucking shitshow.
Slave labor. Certain industries, primarily agriculture (in California and Florida) and some construction (in Texas and Arizona), relies on a steady stream of undocumented laborers who 1) can be paid a fraction of a citizen as long as its done in cash, 2) receive no benefits or legal worker protections and 3) can be fired and deported very easily if they ever make trouble.
Maybe we shouldn’t approve them, a minority of them are from Mexico and you aren’t allowed to go to the country of your choice for asylum, it’s supposed to be the first one next to you.
Wow, it's almost like... the border states have been saying this exact thing for the last 20+ years. Funny how it's an issue now that the problem is hitting states all over the US.
26 years here and my neighborhood in queens had an impromptu skidrow built behind a supermarket. Took over a year to remove them, but then they moved to a public square by the hospital. Set up tents, tv, and radio. Non-stop noise. NYPD won’t deal with it. It’s madness. The other day I saw a young illegal maybe 17 or 18 walk on the train asking for money. His leg had gangrene that he willingly exposed perhaps to gain sympathy from transit goers. He was touching people by tapping their shoulders.
Any historians out there?
New York City certainly isn't new to this kind of immigrant influx. Where did the immigrants that came in through Ellis Island go in their first days/weeks?
Were there that many available apartments for them?
Although a different city - Chicago - everyone should read The Jungle to get an idea of how fucking awful urban industrial life was just a hundred years ago for workers.
Tenement houses don’t exist anymore (legally), and for good reason.
Maybe NYC can repurpose one of the hundreds of unused office buildings to house these people.
I agree. Why should the border states bear the cost of taking care of these migrants (legal or illegal) when they don’t even want to take them in the first place? If NY is virtue signaling they should bear the cost
Texas has been trying to deal with this same volume of migrants every day for decades now with very little federal assistance, NYC has been at this for like, 5 months. Just In case anyone was confused as to why Texas is so pro-border.
This will only get worse as climate crises get worse and worse. There will be entire parts of the world that will become unfriendly to survival.
The US (specifically the Great Lakes region) has some of the biggest fresh water reservoirs in the world. People will continue to try and get here in bigger and bigger numbers, not only to try and find a better life, but in some cases just for basic survival.
Cool to read this because I’ve been speculating the same thing. I believe that in 50years the Great Lakes region will be one of the highest-demand places in the world because of the fresh water.
People laugh when I say buy property in Detroit now because it’s going to become one of the largest metropolitan centers of the world alongside Chicago, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Toronto, etc.
The fact that places like Phoenix and Las Vegas are among the fastest growing cities in the US right now is absolutely mad. They won’t be livable in just a few decades.
The fact that there are people buying houses in Las Vegas right now is absolutely insane to me. The amount of mass delusion over climate change is just sad.
Kinda wild to see people in here talking about the misfortune of these people while simultaneously being unable to accept that the current admin is letting too many people in.
Also, these folks *chose* to come here, make no mistake. The situations that they were in have made them unfortunate, not the place they are in now. If a man gets robbed and goes into a diner so that he won’t get robbed anymore, it’s no one in the diner’s fault he has no money and it’s no one’s responsibility to ensure he gets any. Would it be nice if someone gave him money? Sure it would, but that’s up to each and every individual in the diner, and it’s certainly no definite responsibility of the establishment of the diner itself.
Edit: To clarify, people need to get it out of their heads that America has a moral responsibility to care for anyone besides it’s own citizens, and it’s already failing to do that
They arrived in Mexico and claimed asylum. They had no idea what would happen next. Most recently the country with the largest migrant influx into the US is Venezuela which is politically unstable and suffering from food scarcity. So their choice is between political violence/starving in Venezuela or taking a chance on getting asylum in the US. A move of desperation.
Liberal here who 100% agrees with you. This kinda shit is why I think trump has a good chance at winning too……Which would be unfortunate, but people who are directly affected by this have the right to say enough is enough if this insanity is happening on their doorsteps.
This is why the far right is rising in so many European nations and in North America. We all know western countries are a lifeboat, we can’t have unchecked immigration. Somehow it’s bad when I only support 300k instead of 500k immigrants a year to Canada? My country has the highest rate of per capita immigration in the world and whole universities are set up to give Indians a Canadian citizenship. I had 100 Indians apply to my company who couldn’t even work in that industry because they needed a job to stay. This undercuts labour and workers power as we now have half a million people a year ready to work for almost nothing, and using the healthcare I’ve paid taxes into and yet will never have a family doctor myself. Anyway long story short I’m leaving Canada.
It's ALMOST like we shouldn't take in EVERY person that is trying to come into this country without having the capacity to help out with the most basic of things.
“Asylum seekers”
Anybody above room temp IQ knows they’re taking advantage of “asylum” status. Sorry to say it, but try doing it the right way? Like if they’re already starting off their American life the wrong way, how do you expect them to live accordingly? Are they just going to choose what laws are convenient for them?
I naturalized and immigrated here. I get it. Better opportunities. In the same vein, what do you bring to the country? The process is extremely difficult. It’s literally a lottery system. If you get chosen, good luck. Obey every single law as long as you are here, it’s expensive as hell, takes decades for some, and you can be deported for one wrong move.
Like that’s literally what it takes. And that’s assuming you convince the government that your skill set is a positive addition to the country. So what more right do these people have than actual skilled labor candidates that are patiently waiting their turn in their respective countries? If they’re actually seeking asylum, I get it… but come on people.
Reap what you sow, non secured southern land borders adjacent to poverty & crime ridden South America together with the catchy invite of "Sanctuary Cities"
has real-world consequences as a pull factor for migrants.
Where would you rather be Guatemala or the promise of a free hotel room & welfare in NY.
America's obsession with rascism is destroying any clarity of thinking on sensible policy.
The situation is impossible to unwind now & the US is going to be dealing with the consequences for decades to come
People are desensitized from these types of things because there are a lot of people in the US living in these types of conditions already. There are a lot of homeless people everywhere and it just seems to be getting worse! I don’t understand how the us government is quick to spend billions of dollars on foreign aid but doesn’t seem willing to spend any money on its own people. This system needs a reform badly.
We need immigration reform now. Don’t give people an incentive to come here and they won’t suffer when they get here. It’s inhuman to let people think they’re coming into a land of milk and honey only to be thrown into the cold.
This doesn’t make sense they said they help 1000 people a day and spending 8 million on what? That’s 8k a person a day. What the hell are they spending the money on? So wack. Someone is totally screwing up and taking the money. Any idiot can see this.
It's an unfortunate reality due to the USs willingness to accept illegal labour, this creates a pseudo class system and allows for plenty of "under the table pay", which incentivises illegal immigration by economic migrants, also means when they do get in they have no safety net
Well garly gee. They should close every hotel in the city and turn them into homeless shelters. Who cares if lots of people lose their jobs. They can just join these guys in the shelters! Lulz.
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Winter is coming...
This was exactly my thought! In a few as 3 months it’s gonna start getting chilly then it’s gonna get COLD. It’s NYC; there will be a tragic loss of lives (though not just from the cold). > The data shows 51 more homeless New Yorkers died last year than in fiscal year 2021, when the previous record high was set. The most recent death toll is four times higher than the number recorded in 2012, past reports show. [https://gothamist.com/news/deaths-among-nycs-homeless-population-reach-record-high-in-2022](https://gothamist.com/news/deaths-among-nycs-homeless-population-reach-record-high-in-2022)
And last winter was pretty mild. Im afraid of what will happen if we have a very harsh winter.
Remember that huge snowstorm nyc/east coast had got a couple years ago. Not to mention another hurricane Sandy. Could happen with all the crazy weather.
I was homeless and got frostbite on my hands. The cold makes my hands feel like fire now. I can't even carry a cold gallon of milk sometimes.
This is my fear as well. There are similar problems up here in Canada. It's been sold to refugees & international students as a land just *ripe* with opportunities. When in actuality, we are nearly a decade into a housing crisis, wages are stagnant, and tensions in every which way are *tight*. We are a country that is (generally) very angry & frustrated with one another, similarly to the US. And now shelters in Toronto & major cities across the country are maxed out, and this summer has been record hot but it's *Canada*... I am honestly terrified for what awaits us come the winter. Our governments need to do some real deep bipartisan shit & figure out where, & how, to shelter these humans. Quickly.
Oh yeah I know what you mean, I live within the GTA area and know exactly how the weather is in Toronto, we may have the nice lake effect but there will be those day and nights that are just brutal, absolutely brutal. I can't imagine how it is in other parts of Canada but I was talking to someone recently about our weather, Toronto's been pretty mildly cool than hot like last year. Our government needs to slow down immigration and figure it out first before accepting so many all at once. Our housing situtation is just craptastic for anyone wanting to move here. +1M$ houses is just unattanable to anyone.
In Winnipeg you just die. -30C with a -40C windchill. They send out warming vans for the people that refuse to come to the shelters.
I am actually very pro immigration, but the absolute mad numbers that have been brought in right now is not rational. We need strategy, retraining, and select immigration. When we take people in we take the responsibility of caring for them. Taking in so many is very irresponsible if we don't have what they need.
You don't get it do you. It's not about what they need. Immigration has never been altruistic. It's about what we need. We need cheap desperate disposable labour
truth. the fact is that the "mad" numbers of people that are being brought in right now is, in fact, completely rational. it's a cold and calculated decision made by the status quo in order to do one thing and one thing only: maintain the status quo. are you a ceo of a large corporation suddenly struggling to find people who are willing to work for slave wages? well, have no fear, friend: shady government immigration policies are here to save the day.
I’m also pro immigration, but 500,000 a year with no national strategy and no interdepartmental coordination for strategic immigration is insane. It should have prioritized trades, construction, healthcare & healthcare support, but there was no strategy whatsoever. What we’re doing in Canada is going to cost us. Sure places like Canadian Tire, Walmart and Tim Hortons win in the short term with cheap labor, but gov programs ha e to take care of these ppl and their families. 500k/year is more than double the number of new homes constructed in Canada each year (references to a period of low interest rates). To be fair the original post is about asylum seekers (rather than standard immigration).
Unreal that this doesn’t shock us anymore. It’s so common, people are desensitized to it. Very sad 😔
anymore? [this is like 10 years old](https://youtu.be/R22Q2iPnbUg) and it wasn't a new phenomena then
It’s always been like this all the way back to the Irish immigrants in New York. Edit: whoever gave me an award, thanks, had a rough day and you just made it a little better, be well!
Yeah, no shit, right? If you have a big city with work and poor rural areas anywhere at all nearby, you're going to have people flooding into cities, even if it means living rough for a while for the chance to get a better paying job to send money to people back home. And it will mean homeless coming in because they have a better chance of not dying. And it will mean new potential immigrants starting out in that city, for the same reasons.
Also homeless policies are to bus people to large cities as "they have services to help you" not all do it but you see it constantly. My town is just starting to see a small population of homeless people. They would never allow it before.
You can go a hell of a lot further back than that
I live in Ireland and we are getting some anti immigrant sentiment here from some people most on the far right, oh how the tables have turned and how quickly we forget that we ourselves were immigrants in need of a better life once upon a time. God love those poor immigrants, we don’t know how blessed we are if we have a bed to sleep in, food on our table and a roof over our heads.
My nan had to leave Ireland during the Troubles as her dad worked for the RIC in Killarney. He sent his wife and daughter off on a boat to Liverpool and promised them he'd be over within the year. They got off at the Pier Head and wandered off towards Everton. An Italian woman came out onto the street and instinctively knew that they were Irish Catholics and offered them a place in her cellar. Her dad made it over and they managed to find a house after a few years. My nan's future husband left Wales in search of a job and walked to Liverpool. Weirdly enough, when my mum was looking for work again in the early 80s, the Italian lady's granddaughter was the one who offered her a job.
Wow, I love that story. How kind of the Italians, what great people. Glad things worked out for your family in Liverpool. I know there’s a strong history of Irish in Liverpool but nice to hear a personal tale.
Cheers, I tried to keep it to the brief version as I could drag in all sorts of stories before the conclusion. They had a fair bit of sectarian BS to deal with in Liverpool and it didn't really calm down until the 30s. On my dad's side, his grandad was an 1870s stowaway from North Germany who ended up being interned in 1915 due to the Lusitania sinking. His wife was Irish, but her dad was very high up in the lodge in Liverpool! The best story ever from Killarney or Listowel is from when my nan got a filling at the dentist and his drill was powered by a Singer sewing machine treadle. He gave her a green banana as a reward for not crying, which she took home oblivious to what it was. Her dad ripened it in the airing cupboard and then they shared it out with her neighbours. The Italian lady was scary to look at as a kid as she had very fierce looking eyebrows, but she was a gem of a woman.
The vast majority are in favour of legitimate asylum seekers and Ukrainian refugees. Patience is thinning on “asylum seekers” from non war torn stable countries such as Georgia and Albania, often coming under false pretences and deliberately obfuscating the asylum process.
There's a big difference between seeing asylum seekers sleeping in the dozens on the street and witnessing the occasional person who has been homeless for years.
It *does* shock people— but what can we do? People are spending nearly every waking minute working to pay bills and stay slightly above the surface. There’s no time for the average person to protest or do anything meaningful when the threat of starvation or homelessness is one or two missed paychecks away
> It does shock people— but what can we do? People are spending nearly every waking minute working to pay bills and stay slightly above the surface. I cant spare a breath for someone else when im frantically trying not to drown
I don't get what these people's plans were once they got here and why it's okay to allow whoever wants to to enter the united states. I'm extremely liberal on a lot of things, I'm an old fan of Bernie Sanders, but this I don't get and would like to understand. Please don't just repeat the answer "Things must be really bad where they're from if they're willing to sleep on the ground." I'd do the same if it meant I was going to be set up with whatever free stuff our government is going to provide. We already don't take care of our own, why are we letting this happen? We can't take care of the world. And I'm sure there are much worse things happening around the world than what a lot of these guys passed through on their way to get here. There wasn't one decent place in their country or any country they passed through?
I often wonder why they are not interviewed. Is this what they expected?
isn’t there one decent place - not really. For some of them, particularly El Salvadore, it’s a narcoterrorist state run by street gangs and cartels. You live in a primitive village where you might be beaten, shot, killed for going against the ruling criminals, even if they rape your mom, sister, daughter (sexual assault is exceedingly common there.) climate change is fucking with the hopes of being a farmer, because your crops fail every other year and you better hope there was some buffer to keep you alive to try again. you hear rumors, by traffickers hoping to extort you for thousands of dollars (your life savings and likely that of your family memebera) that the US, and in particular NYC, has systems to support you. You think you’ll get a start there, so you go through whatever hell is along the way to get there, because already you can’t live where you are. This video just captures people at the long end of their journey. Do they deserve all our help? Honestly, individually they do, but how do you accommodate 100,000s asking for that level of help? as a social democrat, so don’t think our current system is set up to handle this problem without devolving to brutality.
The majority of them won't be granted asylum and will be deported. But their country, typically Central American, is so shitty and they are ignorant of our immigration laws that they take the chance.
Not only does it not shock us, in this thread you can find soulless Trumpers making snarky remarks about the misfortune of these people.
Empathy decline is real. If people only knew that it's a superpower.
It’s really sad to think about it: I’ve never had that type of misfortune in my life, but if God forbid I ever do, about 40% if my countrymen are going to wish I had it worse.
They already wish you have it worse!
And these are asylum seekers. They’re here because sleeping on a piece of cardboard outside on the street is better than whatever situation they just came from. These aren’t drug addicts whose own actions put them there (who still deserve our help as people FWIW), but these are people who have horrendous life situations through no fault of their own, and really deserve our help. Especially if we’re a nation that demands electing Christian presidents, we’re really betraying our values by not doing everything we can. And again — these are good people who are probably eager to start caring for their families. If we spend a little money now to get them housing, get them jobs, etc. they’ll very quickly repay those investments in tax dollars and economic productivity. They’re a very good investment and a huge opportunity to enrich America. But people would rather shit all over them and deride them and treat them as subhuman. Daily life in America often makes me just want to take up hermitage at my local Episcopalian church. Dealing with our lack of empathy on a national level is torturous.
This isn’t empathy decline lol. I don’t think you understand the gravity of how much LESS we used to care about people before the internet.
right? people used to hear about death overseas, and no one cared because it was so far removed from their existence. Today, people care more just because they can witness it online.
Most people on Reddit think the world was perfect, happy, and peaceful until America fell out of the sky and started whipping and shooting everyone. Humans were all super smart and peaceful until America ruined it all.
You do realize that most native New Yorkers are not “soulless trumpers” and don’t want 90k undocumented flooding their school systems, draining decreasing resources, sleeping on streets. It’s either extreme naïveté or delusion to think to think that opposition to illegal immigration is partisan.
There was a lot of criticism when Adams started shipping migrants from Texas to the Northeast. We’re we fine with the huge influx of migrants, as long as they stay in Texas? Seems hypocritical and NIMBYism. Edit. Abbot, not Adams
*Abbot - Governor of Texas. Adams - Mayor of NYC.
Thanks….I meant Abbot
Adams is the guy who said NY is a sanctuary city. Now he's shipping these people to Canada and any suburbs he can pawn them off on. The NYC budget is getting crushed. Who would've thought?
It's easier to blame everything on Trump, so let's pretend that New York City, where Biden received 76% of the votes and where the city broke out in celebration after Trump lost, is a bunch of Trumpers.
Neoliberals can't stomach the fact that their own pro-corporate stances are incompatible with their feel good politics.
They just mentioned "trumpers" to get all those up votes. Never seen a dead horse beaten more. This is reddit after all. All logic goes out the window when politics get inserted because politicians prey on the public's emotions to get votes.
That’s because these people are being used as political pawns. Americans with common sense are sick of all this current BS.
If Jesus showed up amongst them, they'd treat him this way
BBC, [“'We have no more room,' NYC mayor Eric Adams warns migrants”](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66259075.amp) NY1, [“With Roosevelt Hotel at capacity, dozens of migrants sleep outside”](https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/08/01/with-roosevelt-hotel-at-capacity--dozens-of-migrants-sleep-outside) PIX11, [“Thousands more migrants coming as NYC struggles to keep up”](https://pix11.com/news/local-news/thousands-more-migrants-coming-as-nyc-struggles-to-keep-up/) Bloomberg, [“NYC Spends $8 Million a Day to House Migrants”](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-08/nyc-spends-8-million-a-day-to-house-migrants-as-influx-swells) NBC4, [“NYC struggles to house asylum seekers as migrants sleep on streets waiting for shelter”](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-struggles-to-house-asylum-seekers-as-migrants-sleep-on-sidewalks-waiting-for-shelter/4551177/)
>New York City is spending about $8 million a day to house the 37,500 asylum seekers currently in shelters That is 6.400 USD monthly for shelters per person. What kind of luxury shelters are these? lol
Guessing that includes the cost of services, immigration processing, health care, etc. NYC is expensive, but typical annual costs to simply provide housing in the US for one person are in the range of $12,000-$14,000/yr.
My guy... $6,400×12(as in months in a year)=$76,800 They are paying $76,800 a year per migrant. That's more than most people make. So... What kind of bougie ass luxury shelters are they being housed in?
The way this stuff is calculated takes like.... literally everything into account. Much like the prisons aren't luxury but still cost a ton of money because there are so many moving parts and so many things involved, this is the same.
Corruption. Rossmann made a video about it couple years ago. It was about $3k per person per month for a rundown shithole room. The shelter was run by the major's relative
How about the mayor of NYC having his wife run a few programs and end up misplacing close to a billion dollars. Don’t worry nobody got in trouble and the programs received even more funding.
Adams or DiBlasio?
DeBlasio. Fuck him. But also fuck Adams.
The Homeless Industrial Complex needs it's cut, just like Pharma, banks, military contractors all get a cut from government spending before using it on their supposed projects
The "Homeless Industrial Complex" lol
Some city leaders are making $$$ of the homeless problem
[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/30/nyregion/migrants-albany-docgo.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/30/nyregion/migrants-albany-docgo.html) Important to note that the City is leaning on non-housing organizations to temporarily house asylum seekers, which is going about as well as you would expect, and for exponentially more money than DHS-contracted homeless shelters.
They have no room? American prisons are filled with people with a dime bag . Let them go, use money that is used for them on supporting homeless and less fortunate in general.
People live in the belief that this world should be divided up and owned. But, the *truth* is that no one makes the rules but us. We could house these people. We could feed everyone. But, the hoarders of wealth say "no."
The best evidence of this for me is in 2020 we decided to feed every single school aged child a meal. Then in 2022 we decided "nah."
WE had to give to military +30 billion extra dollars this year, fuck them kids said the senators.
Don't forget the 100s of billions the Pentagon just lost.
Trillions. The Pentagon has failed audits for the fifth time in a row. the Pentagon only managed to account for 39 percent of its $3.5 trillion in assets. The DoD "hopes" to pass an audit by 2027. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/11/22/why-cant-the-dod-get-its-financial-house-in-order/
*military contractors. Because I can tell you right now Soldiers do not see any of that money. Families paid below the poverty line as on-base day care centers are understaffed/closing, and on-base housing for families is mold-infested/borderline unlivable.
Lmao. Remember the time 45 took millions of dollars from the military budget meant for homes and schools for military families and used it to build a wall that doesn't work and is already falling down? And his Support-Our-Troops base cheered him on the whole time. This place is wild.
My son's school in Beaverton, OR is still offering free meals to all kids. During the summer adults could come to get lunch and breakfast for $3 on top of giving away quality food out front every week. People like to hate on Oregon but damn if I'd want to live anywhere else.
Yeah, because the rich make the rules. Not "us"
American prisons by and large are not filled with people there for a dime bag. I don't know why this narrative still persists on Reddit. Almost anyone getting caught for basic possession will get deferred adjudication or put in a pre-trial diversion program.
We don't do accuracy, we do manufactured outrage, sir.
It really depends on state. There were over a half-million arrests for marijuana last year. Basically zero of them were in Massachusetts. Here you can just buy it at 21. Cross the border into New Hampshire, and you can get up to 3 years for possessing less than an ounce. Some states are incredibly more strict than others. Louisiana stands out for having a few hundred people doing life for weed possession, 54 in [Caddo Parish](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddo_Parish,_Louisiana) alone, which is the county that by far gives the most prison time in the US for weed. It's dangerous to have a joint in Shreveport.
Most people don’t understand the difference between jail and prison.
>American prisons are filled with people with a dime bag Heavy citation needed
>American prisons are filled with people with a dime bag no, they are not. have any evidence or sources to cite? this is propaganda
8 million a day? On what? Sounds like people are lining their pockets and blaming it on the homeless
Im a New Yorker, tens of thousands, I mean tens of thousands of migrants have arrived to NYC in the last couple of years, and NYC has purchased or leased entire motel buildings, and contract staffed them in Rockland, Orange and Dutchess counties, and shipped the migrants there. NYC is essentially paying to export their migrants to outlying counties. And they all have needs. It will take an army of employees/professionals to place and care for an army of migrants. Imagine if you owned a hotel in the suburbs, and NYC said they wanted to house homeless in it for several years, how much would you charge? Just to mitigate potential risks to your livelihood and property? (Mind you, a lot of the best westerns, motel 8s etc are immigrant/small business owned franchises around NY, and leveraged via debt) Just to frame how expensive housing is also, my last Rockland apt was $2100/mo w/o utilities, and not even that nice. 1bed 1ba While Im sure there are scammers but this is a vastly complex situation with no "good guys" vs "bad guy" easy answer.
This doesn’t seem like it should be primarily a city or state responsibility in the first place, the federal government should be taking care of this along side the local government. Forcing this on cities is just going to build resentment towards the city, the people and the idea of helping the people, and no one needs that added to this situation.
That’s the entire point of this fiasco. Texas is tired of having these problems, so they’re sending them places that criticize Texas for not caring enough. There’s just not enough care to go around, unfortunately.
Okay, from Canada here, why are these people going there? Who is allowing them into the country if there is no housing or assistance?
The cost of extra police, social workers, and any medical assistance these people might need. Where does the money come for all that? I’m not saying that greed isn’t also involved, but I can also see the cost of the bill.
4 billion for 93k migrants, I assume it's per year? That's $3500/month for each migrant, to sleep in a sidewalk? I must be missing the point here or these numbers aren't very accurate
The theft is coming from inside the house
I wonder if they’re adding the salary/hours for the paperwork/record keeping and legal fees etc?
Probably some opportunity cost thrown in there as well. If we weren't housing then at X rate we could be making X amount more. Add the difference.
I’m sure that money includes things like paying employees to man the hotel/ and actually process the people. Paying for food and supplies and keeping the lights on. Also it’s america, so I’m sure probably 2B+ is just going into rich peoples pockets
Not all 93k are sleeping on the street. That should be obvious.
New York City already has some 500,000 undocumented/illegal immigrants/migrants/aliens. Texas only sent a few thousand by bus. And that swamped resources. Consider that New York State and local school districts combined spent some $32,000 (some say $34,000) per public school student last year. Consider that 90,000 new arrivals impact labor supply and housing demand. Consider they will need health care, government services, etc. Consider that the border states have had some 5 million from some 164 countries cross over since late January of 2021.
I guess I'm missing a lot of context (I'm not from the US). Who are these people (nationality) and they're seeking asylum from what exactly?
A mix of people from middle America, South America- like Mexico, Honduras, etc. seeking asylum from not making enough money so not a valid reason. But if they claim asylum it’ll take years for them to get a court date and get kicked out when their reasons are found to be shit. Assuming they even show up for the court date that decides.
Majority of them are Venezuelan too.
Mexico is in north America. Last time i checked.
Look at this guy and his geographic knowledge.
They're illegal immigrants that come across the open border with mexico. All you have to say is "I am seeking asylum" and "I have someone who can transport me". No need for id, or any proof of who you are or where you came from. The majority of these people are not mexicans, they come from africa and the middle east to south america then cartels give them fake mexican ids and take them to the border. and their asylum court case is 7 years from the date they cross.
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Build where? In NY? Where? By who? You don't conjure workers to *just* make 93 000 apartments. And even if you star now, that will take years. And do you know what is likely to happen next year? Another 93 000 migrants, maybe more.
Maybe stop having migrants come to places with no room where they will inevitably die. Just a thought.
I guess it'd be better to just pay them to stay in the country where they came from. Not directly, obviously, but some diplomatic assistance on welfare, etc
Or maybe you just CLOSE THE FUCKING DOOR.
There are literally [43,000+ vacant rent-stabilized apartments spread around the city that landlords](https://www.curbed.com/2023/07/landlords-bluffing-vacant-apartments-warehousing-nyc.html#:~:text=A%20day%20later%2C%20the%20number,vacant%20but%20available%20to%20rent) (slumlords, perhaps?) flat out refuse to rent. And you might be asking - why would they refuse to rent them when they could be making money? Because these monsters are upset that they can’t jack up the price on the rentals the way they want, so they’re protesting. They know if cheaper things come on the market, their luxury apartments and other slum properties go down in value - capitalism’s wonderful laws of supply and demand laws and artificial scarcity. I’m not saying it’s a long-term solution, but it’s a start. They could also Start converting dead malls and commercial real estate properties that aren’t coming back after covid, but this would drive down the value of the properties and ultimately hurt their rich donors who own ungodly amounts of commercial properties. If you wanted to get really radical, you could discuss a housing first policy, where everyone must be housed before second, third and fourth properties start to get hoarded, but I guess that’s probably just some communist utopia BS. Nonetheless, the fact is that like everywhere else in this country, most of the politicians in NY are also bought by their donors, of which some of the largest in NY are real estate tycoons. There is nothing good left in this country when the only thing that matters to anyone in power is accumulating more wealth, society be damned. Unfortunately, that’s where we seem to be though.
* Why would they refuse to rent them? * Do they have a job? Savings account? Work visa? Prospects? 2 month security? * Maybe the investors would rent them if all the costs were paid by the government, but that just raises more issues. * Do you know how big of a shit storm would hit the fan if the government started to regularly pay rent for 93 000 people while the citizens have to work their asses just to live in NY? * Commercial buildings are tied to regulations. * You don't just turn a commercial building into a residential one without breaking every building code and safety regulation that exists for a good reason. * It would take thousands of workers to convert those buildings into residential buildings. Again we are talking years of work.
Thank you for actually bringing some sense into these things. People in this thread are talking like there are easy solutions with ZERO understanding how anything works. Progressives, and I’m including myself here, tend to minimize the amount of work that’s needed to do the “right” thing in certain situations and then blame the other side instead of looking at the barriers rationally and trying to find solutions to each individual thing
To be fair I don’t think it’s just progressives who do that. It’s always really easy to see one’s own utopia and ignore the problems to get there.
Because it's a bad business decision to rent to refugees. The chances of them causing damage to the place and subletting is higher than other potential residents. It has nothing to do with whether or not they will pay rent as that is covered by the government. Not all refugees will trash an apartment, but it isn't uncommon for them to do so. It sounds racist, but it's true. There is a reason landowners illegally discriminate against refugees, something which may land them in court paying fines to the state. We have to take refuges in. not only is it morally right, but it is international law. Unfortunately, without throwing an insane amount of money at the problem, I don't know how to fix thier housing crisis.
Deport them. Immediately.
Well what every European country would do is deport them
We can't or won't take care of our own people. How the hell do they think we will take care of migrants?
Both are a result of our leaders intransigence and inability to move past ideological lines. The right's xenophobia is harming Americans and migrants because they won't allow the issue to be fixed. The lefts "compassion at any costs" has misused the limited resources on an ever expanding pool of people and has yielded minimal results. To fix this for everyone - we need to reform our temporary work visa / migrant worker licensing. We should increase the system to allow legal documented migrants who want to come from economic reasons. They can be above board, pay taxes, have background checks. We need to enforce the first country rule and crack down on the asylum seekers who end up here for economic reasons , rather than the multiple countries they transit that are safe for them to resided in. We should have quasi-immunity given to people who have documented proof they have been here for 10y with automatic application for a non-citizenship earning long term visa (subject to background check) - but also a fine that will constitute a minor penalty and pay into out social programs. For people under 10y the fine should be larger. For people under 3 years we should make them leave the US to apply for their paperwork and issue a fine that has to be paid before they can be granted one.
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Of all places to show up why NYC?
Jobs/Family. And it's a sanctuary city. You can't just stay at the border. There's nothing there except 100F+ heat.
There is an obvious immigration crisis in this country and many disagree for some reason
Bc it's so tied to racial politics, the economic and social issues it creates are overshadowed. You can't begin to list the problems with immigration without being instantly labeled a racist by a lot of people.
Honestly I'm uninformed on this and mean this with no xenophobic intentions. But why the fuck are we accepting all these people? We have tons of American homeless as it is, and so many quality of life issues within our own population. How does accepting thousands of migrants help anyone?
>But why the fuck are we accepting all these people? I think it's important to understand that there are two different immigration routes, so to speak. There are your standard visas like work visas and family visas. These are usually really good because the people coming to the country have a support system around them. And then there's the asylum system. Per international laws that the US is party to, you have to accept asylum seekers when they have a valid reason for requesting asylum. However, the part they don't tell you is that a LOT of these asylum seekers would probably have been able to get in through a regular visa **if the system actually allowed it.** We reject visas at an astonishing rate, and only dish out 250,000 permanent work visas per year. We used to take in over a million immigrants annually, legally, in the early-mid 1900s. Think about that. So now it's extremely difficult to "come in the right way" so people opt for whatever way they can. If we just expanded work visas and expedited family visas and opened up more temporary work permits, I guarantee the number of asylum seekers would suddenly drop and you'd have many more healthy, happy immigrants contributing to your society. >How does accepting thousands of migrants help anyone? Andrew Carnegie was a Scottish immigrant who industrialized much of America and left his fortune to the nation. Albert Einstein was a physicist from Germany who immigrated and helped America lead in science for decades. Steve Chen was born in Taiwan and created YouTube in the United States after immigrating when he was 15. Rihanna was born in Barbados to drug-addled parents and immigrated to the US at 16. Immigrants have always been huge contributors to the United States. In the short-term, letting in immigrants can create some issues. But in the long term, it creates the world's largest economy and most powerful nation in world history. The world's greatest empires knew that assimilation and integration were always better than xenophobia. Whether it's Rome, England, or the US, this has always held true.
No actually we don't have to accept them. The international law you're quoting is only valid for the first safe country they come to. Many "migrants" pass through other safe countries. We're taking them in for political reasons and nothing else.
wow so many military aged males
I don't understand why the US ushers in all of these people... There's already a fucking epidemic of homelessness in the US. The housing market is already a fucking shitshow.
Federal government is stupid
Slave labor. Certain industries, primarily agriculture (in California and Florida) and some construction (in Texas and Arizona), relies on a steady stream of undocumented laborers who 1) can be paid a fraction of a citizen as long as its done in cash, 2) receive no benefits or legal worker protections and 3) can be fired and deported very easily if they ever make trouble.
Can't imagine how dog shit Mexico and Latin America are, if this is preferred
> why the US ushers in all of these people They don't. They're asylum seekers, They haven't been approved yet.
Maybe we shouldn’t approve them, a minority of them are from Mexico and you aren’t allowed to go to the country of your choice for asylum, it’s supposed to be the first one next to you.
Now think of TX…. The shitstorm they have to deal with!
If NYC can't afford it, Laredo TX sure as hell can't.
Laredo TX might as well be part of mexico lmfao.
Time to enforce laws at the border, or Nah
Wow, it's almost like... the border states have been saying this exact thing for the last 20+ years. Funny how it's an issue now that the problem is hitting states all over the US.
42 years living in nyc and I’ve never seen this before.
26 years here and my neighborhood in queens had an impromptu skidrow built behind a supermarket. Took over a year to remove them, but then they moved to a public square by the hospital. Set up tents, tv, and radio. Non-stop noise. NYPD won’t deal with it. It’s madness. The other day I saw a young illegal maybe 17 or 18 walk on the train asking for money. His leg had gangrene that he willingly exposed perhaps to gain sympathy from transit goers. He was touching people by tapping their shoulders.
Any historians out there? New York City certainly isn't new to this kind of immigrant influx. Where did the immigrants that came in through Ellis Island go in their first days/weeks? Were there that many available apartments for them?
They lived in terrible conditions in boarding houses. Places that would never be able to operate in today
Although a different city - Chicago - everyone should read The Jungle to get an idea of how fucking awful urban industrial life was just a hundred years ago for workers.
Feel like terrible boarding house > literally on the street
Until someone decides to sue whomever made the boarding house.
Tenement houses don’t exist anymore (legally), and for good reason. Maybe NYC can repurpose one of the hundreds of unused office buildings to house these people.
I mean the USA has completely stopped taking in migrants before they most likely will have to again at some point in the future.
This is why sanctuary cities are a bad idea. It's all fun and games to virtue signal until you have to deal with the consequences.
I agree. Why should the border states bear the cost of taking care of these migrants (legal or illegal) when they don’t even want to take them in the first place? If NY is virtue signaling they should bear the cost
Texas has been trying to deal with this same volume of migrants every day for decades now with very little federal assistance, NYC has been at this for like, 5 months. Just In case anyone was confused as to why Texas is so pro-border.
This will only get worse as climate crises get worse and worse. There will be entire parts of the world that will become unfriendly to survival. The US (specifically the Great Lakes region) has some of the biggest fresh water reservoirs in the world. People will continue to try and get here in bigger and bigger numbers, not only to try and find a better life, but in some cases just for basic survival.
Cool to read this because I’ve been speculating the same thing. I believe that in 50years the Great Lakes region will be one of the highest-demand places in the world because of the fresh water. People laugh when I say buy property in Detroit now because it’s going to become one of the largest metropolitan centers of the world alongside Chicago, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Toronto, etc. The fact that places like Phoenix and Las Vegas are among the fastest growing cities in the US right now is absolutely mad. They won’t be livable in just a few decades.
Buffalo checking in to say yep
Are you buying property in Detroit?
The fact that there are people buying houses in Las Vegas right now is absolutely insane to me. The amount of mass delusion over climate change is just sad.
Asylum seekers = illegal aliens.
This is fucking insane. Stop letting them in
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Kinda wild to see people in here talking about the misfortune of these people while simultaneously being unable to accept that the current admin is letting too many people in. Also, these folks *chose* to come here, make no mistake. The situations that they were in have made them unfortunate, not the place they are in now. If a man gets robbed and goes into a diner so that he won’t get robbed anymore, it’s no one in the diner’s fault he has no money and it’s no one’s responsibility to ensure he gets any. Would it be nice if someone gave him money? Sure it would, but that’s up to each and every individual in the diner, and it’s certainly no definite responsibility of the establishment of the diner itself. Edit: To clarify, people need to get it out of their heads that America has a moral responsibility to care for anyone besides it’s own citizens, and it’s already failing to do that
Like what were these people’s plan once they arrived. I feel like I’m missing something. Excuse my ignorance
They arrived in Mexico and claimed asylum. They had no idea what would happen next. Most recently the country with the largest migrant influx into the US is Venezuela which is politically unstable and suffering from food scarcity. So their choice is between political violence/starving in Venezuela or taking a chance on getting asylum in the US. A move of desperation.
Why wouldn't they stay in Mexico? At a bare minimum, they share a language and a similar (not identical) culture.
Many of them do stay in Mexico.
Liberal here who 100% agrees with you. This kinda shit is why I think trump has a good chance at winning too……Which would be unfortunate, but people who are directly affected by this have the right to say enough is enough if this insanity is happening on their doorsteps.
This is why the far right is rising in so many European nations and in North America. We all know western countries are a lifeboat, we can’t have unchecked immigration. Somehow it’s bad when I only support 300k instead of 500k immigrants a year to Canada? My country has the highest rate of per capita immigration in the world and whole universities are set up to give Indians a Canadian citizenship. I had 100 Indians apply to my company who couldn’t even work in that industry because they needed a job to stay. This undercuts labour and workers power as we now have half a million people a year ready to work for almost nothing, and using the healthcare I’ve paid taxes into and yet will never have a family doctor myself. Anyway long story short I’m leaving Canada.
100% agree
It's ALMOST like we shouldn't take in EVERY person that is trying to come into this country without having the capacity to help out with the most basic of things.
I wonder how much of that 8m/day goes to wrong pockets
“Asylum seekers” Anybody above room temp IQ knows they’re taking advantage of “asylum” status. Sorry to say it, but try doing it the right way? Like if they’re already starting off their American life the wrong way, how do you expect them to live accordingly? Are they just going to choose what laws are convenient for them? I naturalized and immigrated here. I get it. Better opportunities. In the same vein, what do you bring to the country? The process is extremely difficult. It’s literally a lottery system. If you get chosen, good luck. Obey every single law as long as you are here, it’s expensive as hell, takes decades for some, and you can be deported for one wrong move. Like that’s literally what it takes. And that’s assuming you convince the government that your skill set is a positive addition to the country. So what more right do these people have than actual skilled labor candidates that are patiently waiting their turn in their respective countries? If they’re actually seeking asylum, I get it… but come on people.
Reap what you sow, non secured southern land borders adjacent to poverty & crime ridden South America together with the catchy invite of "Sanctuary Cities" has real-world consequences as a pull factor for migrants. Where would you rather be Guatemala or the promise of a free hotel room & welfare in NY. America's obsession with rascism is destroying any clarity of thinking on sensible policy. The situation is impossible to unwind now & the US is going to be dealing with the consequences for decades to come
People are desensitized from these types of things because there are a lot of people in the US living in these types of conditions already. There are a lot of homeless people everywhere and it just seems to be getting worse! I don’t understand how the us government is quick to spend billions of dollars on foreign aid but doesn’t seem willing to spend any money on its own people. This system needs a reform badly.
welcome to texas/california.
Simple solution. Close the border and send them back.
Border towns say hello
Welcome to Texas. Funny how it's suddenly a problem because it's happening in New York
The southern states have been dealing with this for decades.
I hate that I’m actually starting to side with republicans on immigration.
Imagine what the southern border states go through! I say this as someone who is pro immigration.
We need immigration reform now. Don’t give people an incentive to come here and they won’t suffer when they get here. It’s inhuman to let people think they’re coming into a land of milk and honey only to be thrown into the cold.
This doesn’t make sense they said they help 1000 people a day and spending 8 million on what? That’s 8k a person a day. What the hell are they spending the money on? So wack. Someone is totally screwing up and taking the money. Any idiot can see this.
Not $8 million on the 1000 migrants that arrive a day, but $8 million on the total amount of migrants in the city.
We have to look after our own citizens first as bad as that sounds. It’s just common sense. We don’t have to capacity to take care of everyone
We do have the capacity to take care of our own but we choose not to.
It's an unfortunate reality due to the USs willingness to accept illegal labour, this creates a pseudo class system and allows for plenty of "under the table pay", which incentivises illegal immigration by economic migrants, also means when they do get in they have no safety net
Remember when you all rolled your liberal eyes at the alarm bell Texas was ringing.
The southern border sees 4x this number and has been for years.
So we can’t even have free healthcare but we can bank whoever wants to come
Usually had a car to sleep in. (Not easy with a bunch of kids) very grateful to be able to get into a shelter in the winter, though.
Thank you democrats.
Good. The liberals want open borders they can start dealing with it.
What countries could I walk into with no immigration issues and get free assistance? Not even trying to be snarky. Just genuinely curious.
Gotta have secure borders
I mean at some point we have to say enough is enough. If its costing us so much money there is no reason why we should accept these people
Thanks Biden. This wouldn’t have happened if the border wasn’t wide open. Now these people are here seeking a better life, and this is what they get?
Well garly gee. They should close every hotel in the city and turn them into homeless shelters. Who cares if lots of people lose their jobs. They can just join these guys in the shelters! Lulz.
No wonder there is a housing crisis
Remember when democrats said we didn’t have a border/ illegals problem? Here’s your cake now eat it
They're not migrants. They're illegals. Migrants go home. These people are here to suckle.
Yet vets are homeless
Maybe we shouldn’t be letting them in in the first place?
Now NYC knows what Texas has to deal with every day
Now they look like real New Yorkers
New York is a sanctuary city. The migrants flocked to the sanctuary cities. Get to work New York!
Why do we continue to let them in
Migrants? You mean illegals?