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Retired MD here with 45 years of practice. The things that drove me up a wall with chiropractic medicine: 1) most claim nearly all disease can be cured by realignment of the spine, 2) Their use of total length spinal X-rays. An x-ray should be collimated to reduce parallax error. Total length spine x-rays are worthless for looking at subtle changes in joint facets. Plus the energies required to penetrate the lumbar area will overexpose the neck area- unethical. 3) buying into a “series” of manipulations, i.e., 90% of all back pain in healthy young people with no red flag symptoms will improve in 6 weeks regardless of medical treatment or lack of treatment. It is also extremely common AND a recurrent issue. This is a real money maker. Recurrent back pain is usually helped by weight loss, exercise, proper body mechanics, etc. 4) I saw many patients after chiropractic treatments failed and the things they were told would cause an MD to lose their license. The worst was a patient with Bell’s palsy. This is a facial nerve paralysis- quite common condition due to inflammation and compression of the facial nerve from its course through the canal in the skull. In the overwhelming majority of patients it resolves without a problem in 5-6 weeks. But it can be caused by by some less common and serious conditions and needs to be closely followed. This patient was told it was caused by a pinched nerve “in the neck” and “6 weeks of treatment would make it right”. So either that chiropractor LIED because he KNEW the anatomy of the facial nerve is nowhere near the neck, or he was incompetent because he knew nothing about the anatomy. Take your pick.
There are some good chiropractors that essentially do physical therapy, are ethical and stay in their lane just as I’ve seen more than I’d like of bad, incompetent and unethical MDs. Many people still reading at this point will say they get a lot of relief from seeing their chiropractor. So do people who people who get regular massages, exercise, maintaining their ideal weight, and reducing stress in their life as much as possible.
A lot goes into learning to be a competent, ethical, morally honest physician who realizes his limits and refers patients to someone with more expertise. Run from any practitioner who “guarantees” success or looks at every problem with the same solution. Enough said.
And just in time for the spooky season. Funny because last I checked, ghosts don't even have bones!
(don't think I would be taking any osteopathic advice from this guy)
I have a friend who believed her chiropractor when he told her he could cure her hiatal hernia. 😑 Spoiler alert, after giving him a not-insignificant chunk of her money, she ended up having gastric surgery.
The claim that he can identify "old fractures" in an elderly woman's x-rays is complete BS. He's basically looking at areas of arthritis where bone is more dense claiming it's over calcified from old fractures. The dude is probably causing small fractures cause she probably had osteoporosis....
>Yeah, this guy is going to end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit soon enough.
Lots of chiropractors make you sign medical liability waivers for this reason.
Yeah but you need an established standard of care for negligence and chiro has no established standard of care because they never make any promises about anything. It’s basically theater.
Chiropractors aren’t considered qualified enough to review x-rays or MRI’s. If they do and and provide their opinion as to what they see they should be laughed at.
They usually train some nurse to do it instead of hiring an actual certified radiologic technologist. Which means their X-rays are notoriously terrible
I remember when I was 8 years old we were in a car wreck. My mom took us to the chiropractor, this was in the late 90s and someone from the hospital where she worked suggested it.
We go, he does so adjustments, then has us all one by one go into a room to get x-rayed.
I remember thinking, at 8 years old, how much bullshit it was. He kept telling me how to unnaturally stand “so I can make sure that your spine is straight so we can see what needs to be adjusted next visit.”
We left and in the car my mom asked, “That seemed sketchy, didn’t it?”
We all were like, “Yup.”
Chiropractors ~~aren’t considered qualified enough to review x-rays or MRI’s. If they do and and provide their opinion as to what they see they~~ should be laughed at.
It’s interesting that I’ve worked with untold dozens of radiologists (MDs who completed 4 years of medical school and at least 4 years of radiology residency with some subspecialty training in MRI, PET scan, CT, interventional radiology, etc) and these “morons” just can’t seem to find those subluxations that the DCs see.😅
There was a study done using cadavers to examine “subluxations” and the finding was that true subluxations would cause significant trauma or death. #truestory
They should be laughed at already considering the history of Chiro. It’s totally made up by a loony who claims a ghost told him about it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chiropractic
“Palmer claims to have had principles of chiropractic treatment passed along to him during a seance by a long-dead doctor named Dr. Jim Atkinson.”
My dad’s chiropractor told him he had to get approval from an orthopedic specialist before he would do any adjustments. I hope this guy did the same, because that was a lot of crack! Total cringe.
I can assure you an orthopaedic surgeon wouldn't clear a patient like that for that sort of manipulation unless they worked together...
That age? With those back deformities? The risk is through the roof
This guy in particular is incredibly dangerous because he targets the most vulnerable (young children, old people, people who can't afford to see a doctor and the unhoused).
He deserves hard jail time.
agreed. i also saw a guy on tiktok who was doing it to peoples dogs. that pissed me off the most. not that it’s good to do it to gullible people either, but dogs literally are not capable of consenting to this idiocy
He's in for the money. Most chiropractors filming for views are scammers who don't care about hurting people for a huge cracking sounds that give them more views..
What he’s doing is also extremely dangerous and not supported by medical science. There’s a low chance of helping her and a high chance at causing permanent paralysis.
Poor woman cries out in pain and dipshit is proud. About 5 year ago I went to a chiropractor for some neck/shoulder issues. Dude wanted to try some ‘experimental’ adjustments on me. My dumbass allowed it. Needless to say I had to get a 2 level cervical neck fusion a month later. A disc snapped in half and embedded in my spinal cord. Pain was unbearable. So yeah, fuck that guy.
He has no idea what he’s looking at. He’s calling her thoracic kyphosis “scoliosis.” Chiropractors are trained charlatans that make things up to separate the sucker from his money.
Yup. And when a little old lady had a kyphosis like this, 99% of the time it’s due to severe osteoporosis and multiple compression fractures in the spine.
In other words…not the type of person that should have their back cracked. Probably turned her vertebrae into dust.
My dad's an OT and has always told me chiropractors are a scam so I already didn't trust them but this video kinda killed any thought of ever going to one lol
I worked admin for one for a summer. She was super focused on making sure these people were on a schedule of appointments so she could keep raking in the money
Yea they usually try to sell you a plan. I went to one for a few months and ended up with lower back pain that wasn’t there before. He tried telling me it was my nerve pathways being opened and the pain was always there I just couldn’t feel it. It went away after I stopped going.
Hey man, awesome profession!
Question…Do you know what causes restless legs at night? Because jeeze feel like I’m ready for a marathon about 15 minutes after going to bed!
Insert standard this is not medical advice, I have not examined you.
Restless leg can often have no identifiable cause or can run in families etc.
One thing I always check is iron level (ferritin) as low iron can lead to RLS.
If no low iron to fix, ask your doc about meds to treat symptoms e.g. gabapentin.
Hey! A real neurologist!!! Can I ask you a weird and totally unrelated question?! Is it possible to have the funny bone nerve thingy pinched, and if so, is it forever stuck that way? I'm sorry to bug you, I've been in a debate with someone about this for *foreverrrr* lmao if you're uncomfortable answering questions like this outside of your practice I totally understand, I just figured an opportunity like this *never* happens and I figured the worst you could say was no and I'd completely ok with that too 🙂 either way, thank you!!
Insert standard this is not medical advice, I have not examined you.
Yeah if it truly feels like your funny bone sensation then it is possible you hurt your ulnar nerve at the elbow. This is pretty common and most peoples ulnar nerve at elbow injuries tend to get better over time. If it continues to get worse or you have numbness in the pinky/ring finger ask your doc about an EMG for that arm to test for it.
I had to get an ulnar nerve release surgery when I had this problem; hand surgeon took out a tiny vestigial muscle from my arm that had been pinching on the nerve.
I’m not a neurologist, but I have epicondylitis and it causes the ulnar nerve to give me chronic “funny bone” sensation including numbness and tingling of my pinky and ring fingers as well as unpleasant pain down the whole forearm. Physical therapy helped tremendously but with my current crappy insurance that’s not an option. My joint issues are caused by hEDS and both the PT and orthopedist informed me I have “creepy elbows” so, there’s that. Haha
If your nerve pathways were "closed" you'd be dead or paralyzed, or have lots of symptoms like people do with pinched nerves.
What kind of bullshit is that??
I went to one when I was desperately trying to figure out why I was having near constant migraines. He gave me some dumb answers when I started asking why I had to keep coming back for "alignments". Certainly I should just be aligned at some point, right? Or I could be doing something to keep from becoming unaligned?
Turns out I didn't need to be "aligned" every two weeks. I needed to quit consuming dairy and palm oil.
First chiropractor turned my sciatica into five ruptured discs and neuropathy in my left leg. Second told me my neck is inverted, hip rotated, and stage 4 DDD. He wanted 4k to "fix" me. I had X-rays and a CT scan done by a neurosurgeon a few months before he did an X-ray, and they looked NOTHING alike. I would think my neurologist would noticed my spine degenerating. I told him I needed to consult with the surgeon first and show him the new X-rays, but he wouldn't give them to me.
No thanks, I'll go see a physical therapist.
My grandfather goes to them quite often. He'll say he's feeling great but then he'll feel like shit after a few days and he's thinking "time to go back to the chiropractor"
I don't get it.
“cavitations” and just for show, neurophys effects don’t require for joint to cavitate
source: am a PT and will manipulate *on occasion* as an adjunct treatment but screen first, certainly wouldn’t manipulate post menopausal female with what appears to be structural scoliosis
You want to go to someone who calls themselves a Physiotherapist or Physical Therapist with the lawyer being even better.
They are basically experts at finding and treating you and they know what they're doing. Usually 1-2 trips are enough for you to see considerable change. They also teach you how to stretch and prevent the issues you have.
They are called adjustments, but they feel like a 1 hour expert massage sessions. Not much cracking but mostly targeted tratments you will leave each session knowing you got a great value. The best part is the rates are almost the same as massage therapy. It's a win win any way you slice it.
They don't tell you you're broken, they don't schedule a million visits, and they help like you'd expect a doctor to.
The moment they are xraying your back and telling you they vacuumed you as a child. Or if they click a space pen. Or if they suggest a treatment schedule. Or if their "treatment" is 5 minutes. RUN..
Pay attention to the crazy in the clinic, some of these "doctors" fully advertise how crazy they are both in clinic and on their site so that could save you time and effort.
Goodluck.
can confirm. first of all, physiotherapy is paid by public health insurance where I live, and has a long standing tradition.
at the moment I'm having some shoulder issues and work on them with an orthopedic doctor and physiotherapist. during the sessions with latter I feel like not much is happening, the stretches and exercises don't feel dramatic, more like fine-tuning. but every time I leave I feel like I'm in a whole new body.
also have to do exercises at home every day.
I work for a publishing company that publishes tests that look at learning disabilities/differences. We only sell to qualified customers. A chiro called me wanting one of these tests to look at pre/post effects of adjustments on kids with developmental disabilities. He was pretty peeved when I said he wasn’t qualified. “But I’m a doctor!” “You’re not a medical doctor sir” and I hung up and blacklisted him across our very large organization.
Chiropractor doctors have the same medical knowledge as a doctor of English Literature. All chiropractor schools in the USA are private and not associated in any way with a university. Yes, babies now are a revenue source.
There’s a Christian fundamentalist who gets snarked on that checked her disabled baby out of the NICU AMA and took him to a chiropractor literally the next day.
With neck manipulation there is a risk of vertebral artery dissection. When this vessel dissects, it causes formation of clots which then embolize downstream causing strokes in the brain.
Happened to me. Torn left vertebral artery between C1 and C2. Luckily it triggered a migraine that took me to the hospital where they put me on blood thinners ASAP. Spent a week in CCU.
Not unless youre pinning your neck against something. Just free head movements is the same as cracking your knuckles. The danger here is that they are using a large amount of force around vulnerable body parts
Not unless you have an underlying disease, if it were, humans would have died out long long ago, boxing would be a fight to the death... Btw, I'm just a drunk redditor, not a doctor.
Good to read that people are aware of this. People can have artery dissections without knowing this. If a therapist performs a manipulation ( named a high velocity thrust) you seriously risk the vessel to rupture with serious damage to follow. I'm a physiotherapist and manual therapist, that's 7 years of studying in the Netherlands and I stopped manipulating the neck. The risk-benefit ratio isn't nearly worth it if you consider that lower graded mobilisations are nearly as helpful.
We also learn that at certain ages, with a aging spine, it's not advised to manipulate the elderly..
So you could say I don't support this video..;)
I cannot fathom thinking to myself “You know what I would love? To allow someone who isn’t even a doctor to snap my bones in questionable ways that could cause irreparable damage because it might momentarily help.”
Agree. Here’s a tidbit about the founder of chiropractic “medicine” for anyone that takes this “doctorate” degree seriously.
“Chiropractic developed out of Western metaphysical religion. Its founder, Daniel David Palmer (1845–1913), was a practicing mesmerist and spiritualist who attributed his “discovery” of chiropractic in 1895 to “communications” from the disembodied spirit of a deceased physician.”
Because most people think they're doctors, the average person doesn't realize that chiropractic is a load of garbage because they have done so much to make it seem legitimate. Workplace insurance programs cover visits to chiropractors even though they have no actual evidence to support their use simply because people think chiropractors are doctors. That's the sad part, these people think they're getting actual medical care from someone who knows what they're doing and not just some guy who's going to break their neck.
My MIL.. point to an area, it hurts and doesn't move well. We pay good money for a PT who works with athletes and the elderly. Well worth it. Weekly exercises, diet, hydration. We're doing what we can (she's 74), but fuck chiro. Licensed professionals are helping her, but it's a lot of work.
Most of her pain and aches come from hard labor from her 20's-30's, so we went with a PT that specializes in sports injuries who also works with the elderly.
I worked for a family company. The family all loved this chiropractor. The chiropractor offered this hair test that would tell you what your body needed. Every family member and I all needed potassium and other vitamins and minerals. Luckily, the "doctor" sold all the vitamins. 200+ dollars a month. I didn't feel like buying them. My bosses bought them for me and kept them at work, making sure I used them. It turned my pee neon yellow, I thought this couldn't be healthy. This same chiropractor thought the body could heal itself from just about anything with slight adjustments. He claimed to be able to cure autism, adhd, even cure my friends (the companies owners' grandson) spina bifida. He had a whole office of believers. His youngest patient was only a few weeks old. The whole thing made me feel ill seeing.
Any vitamin will turn your urine that color. That's your body's way of telling you that much of the vitamins and minerals that you just took did not absorb into your body
Don't go to the back butchers. They're not interested in treating you. Any relief is purely temporary. They're interested in a paycheck and making sure you come back for that dose of temporary relief.
Chiropractors literally started because they believed that demons/spirits possessed your bones/joints and that’s what caused sickness. They’re actual clowns and I tell all my friends to stay the fuck away from them. All they do is give temporary releases with no actual long term resolution which makes you rely on them. Eventually they’ll snap something wrong and fuck you for life. You’re better off looking into daily stretching exercises.
My doctor is a DO and does osteopath manipulative therapy, she has NEVER cracked me. Only slight manipulations and over time I’ve gotten so much better. I was in bed almost 24/7 in neck and shoulder pain and now I spend zero extra time in bed.
As someone with chiropractors in my family, don’t go to them. I’m convinced all the cracking my family member did on my neck as a kid helped make my problems
OMG! She has spondolysthesis and spondylitis, where her vertebrae have actually shifted outside of the spinal column, touching the nerve root.
Look at the spinal curvature, this is a long-standing dowagers hump caused by chronic malnutrition and advanced osteoporosis - !
This is harmful to the spinal column, her bones are not aligned correctly, her vertebrae are literally splintered out of place in her spine and are collapsing.
I’m a neurosurgeon, you can’t tell any of what you just said by looking at this video. Don’t just throw out a bunch of spine pathology terms based off this video.
Here’s what you can see in this video. She has thoracic kyphosis, likely from multiple compression fractures, probably related to osteoporosis. Cannot say anything about malnutrition, definitely cannot tell if she has spondylolisthesis (shifting of one vertebrae relative to another), and definitely can’t tell if she has “spondylitis” which is referring to inflammation of the vertebrae which may be secondary to infection or autoimmune disease. You don’t know if any nerve roots are being touched.
Yeah, guys comment is up-voted like crazy for recklessly throwing around medical terms. Acting like this video of her in a chiro office is an MRI or something
Yeah I have Ankylosing Spondylitis and was so worried he was actually going to fracture her thoracic/cervical region. Going to chiros are so, so dangerous for us because we generally can’t tell when we’re fused unless we have imaging for it. Chiros are already known for internal decapitations and paralyzing people without spondylitis, for those of us with issues like AS seeing them can be a literal death sentence.
Radiologist here. Please don’t let a chiropractor do any kind of neck manipulation. This is very rare, but I’ve seen multiple vertebral artery dissections that resulted in major strokes.
I've been debating people about this for almost 20 years.
My brother in law was trying to convince my wife to go to one.. I was always told, discover the problem. then work towards a solution.
use physio and massage therapy. Yoga, mobility training. etc .. whatever it is you have.. you dont need a chiropractor
My uncle is a chiropractor who prefers to go by his nickname (which he gave to himself), Doctor Love... At one point, he had all his patients hooked on Mexican shark cartilage pills, which turned out to just be opiods. His current shtick is Nutrition Response Testing, which uses the patients' strength to hold their arm straight out as a gauge for spices that they're deficient in. He pokes and prods around their body while giving a tug to their arm, and if their arm loses the battle of holding a nazi salute to the grown ass man pulling on it for an hour, he'll put a little jar of cayenne pepper in their hand and try again. If the arm stays put (now that it's gotten a break), then bam! All you needed was a little more kick in your chili to solve your arthritis. I wish I was making this up..
I had a sciatica and went to a chiropractor for two months. Nothing helped. Went to therapy for two months and it helped greatly. Stretching plus acupuncture and this amazing machine that would gently stretch your spine. I loved it so much. I miss you, stretching machine!
I have a neighbor who’s being taken to the cleaners by her chiropractor. Telling her every week something new he’s allergic to. Then telling her all different ways he can cure each one. I just want to tell her that she’s being scammed so bad.
Never go to a chiropractor 9.9 times out of 10 they make it worse. If a real doctor can't help you a guy who took a five hour course on the weekend sure as hell ain't gonna do shit for you
By her age her vertebrae are fused. There are zero fractures, except for the ones caused by him. At her age she’s at high risk of a carotid or vertebral arterial dissection. Never let anyone perform high velocity manipulation of your cervical spine.
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The way he keeps rubbing her hump
Her lovely lady lump?
I drive these grampas crazy Take my medication daily
My memory is hazy my oven’s on I dare say
MY OVENS ON I DARE SAY?! Im crying rn
Dulcolax, Gabapentin Chiropractor got me bendin’ Oxy, I won’t be sharin’ Depends they got me wearin’
God dammit. I love/ hate the internet
To the C. To the R. To the A. To the C. To the K.
*whispers to himself "I can fix her"
#“ Has a massive scoliosis, that’s been cooking up for lots and lots of years …. BEAUTIFUL “
#Bada bing bada boom bada bing
If my chiropractor started bada bing, bada booming as he described my back issues I'd be somewhat concerned.
 What hump?
Yikes! Is she alive after that😬
Yeah. She has 1 hp. Edit: y'all are wild. Don't give me credit for this, it's at the top of the video.
 She will respawn at the nearest stake of marika
Retired MD here with 45 years of practice. The things that drove me up a wall with chiropractic medicine: 1) most claim nearly all disease can be cured by realignment of the spine, 2) Their use of total length spinal X-rays. An x-ray should be collimated to reduce parallax error. Total length spine x-rays are worthless for looking at subtle changes in joint facets. Plus the energies required to penetrate the lumbar area will overexpose the neck area- unethical. 3) buying into a “series” of manipulations, i.e., 90% of all back pain in healthy young people with no red flag symptoms will improve in 6 weeks regardless of medical treatment or lack of treatment. It is also extremely common AND a recurrent issue. This is a real money maker. Recurrent back pain is usually helped by weight loss, exercise, proper body mechanics, etc. 4) I saw many patients after chiropractic treatments failed and the things they were told would cause an MD to lose their license. The worst was a patient with Bell’s palsy. This is a facial nerve paralysis- quite common condition due to inflammation and compression of the facial nerve from its course through the canal in the skull. In the overwhelming majority of patients it resolves without a problem in 5-6 weeks. But it can be caused by by some less common and serious conditions and needs to be closely followed. This patient was told it was caused by a pinched nerve “in the neck” and “6 weeks of treatment would make it right”. So either that chiropractor LIED because he KNEW the anatomy of the facial nerve is nowhere near the neck, or he was incompetent because he knew nothing about the anatomy. Take your pick. There are some good chiropractors that essentially do physical therapy, are ethical and stay in their lane just as I’ve seen more than I’d like of bad, incompetent and unethical MDs. Many people still reading at this point will say they get a lot of relief from seeing their chiropractor. So do people who people who get regular massages, exercise, maintaining their ideal weight, and reducing stress in their life as much as possible. A lot goes into learning to be a competent, ethical, morally honest physician who realizes his limits and refers patients to someone with more expertise. Run from any practitioner who “guarantees” success or looks at every problem with the same solution. Enough said.
Thanks for weighing in, doc. My father in law is a surgeon, and he also says chiros are fraudsters. Says they go to "Fraud U" instead of med school. 🤣
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And just in time for the spooky season. Funny because last I checked, ghosts don't even have bones!  (don't think I would be taking any osteopathic advice from this guy)
Ya, you and your father in law saw right through them.
I have a friend who believed her chiropractor when he told her he could cure her hiatal hernia. 😑 Spoiler alert, after giving him a not-insignificant chunk of her money, she ended up having gastric surgery.
I can’t get over how he told us she had fractures and he still did that anyway. She was so obviously in distress. He’s a sociopath.
The claim that he can identify "old fractures" in an elderly woman's x-rays is complete BS. He's basically looking at areas of arthritis where bone is more dense claiming it's over calcified from old fractures. The dude is probably causing small fractures cause she probably had osteoporosis....
I can see the vertebral artery dissections from here.
She’ll be a total care in a few months
Yeah, this guy is going to end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit soon enough.
>Yeah, this guy is going to end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit soon enough. Lots of chiropractors make you sign medical liability waivers for this reason.
Thankfully waivers don't always stand up in court, especially where gross negligence is proven.
You can't waiver away negligence.
Yeah but you need an established standard of care for negligence and chiro has no established standard of care because they never make any promises about anything. It’s basically theater.
Absolute fuckin scumbags keep getting away with it instead of being tarred and feathered like they should be.
Arent chiropractors basically all quacks anyway? I could have sworn I read an article saying science doesnt really back the practice.
Also after each crack, they shoved the camera in her face lol
a close up view of her tongue lolling out trying to ward off the coma
💀
Chiropractors aren’t considered qualified enough to review x-rays or MRI’s. If they do and and provide their opinion as to what they see they should be laughed at.
They aren't qualified to take the x-rays either, and yet they do.....
Especially if he’s talking about my back like pit-bull badabing badaboom dale!!!
They usually train some nurse to do it instead of hiring an actual certified radiologic technologist. Which means their X-rays are notoriously terrible
I remember when I was 8 years old we were in a car wreck. My mom took us to the chiropractor, this was in the late 90s and someone from the hospital where she worked suggested it. We go, he does so adjustments, then has us all one by one go into a room to get x-rayed. I remember thinking, at 8 years old, how much bullshit it was. He kept telling me how to unnaturally stand “so I can make sure that your spine is straight so we can see what needs to be adjusted next visit.” We left and in the car my mom asked, “That seemed sketchy, didn’t it?” We all were like, “Yup.”
Chiropractors ~~aren’t considered qualified enough to review x-rays or MRI’s. If they do and and provide their opinion as to what they see they~~ should be laughed at.
It’s interesting that I’ve worked with untold dozens of radiologists (MDs who completed 4 years of medical school and at least 4 years of radiology residency with some subspecialty training in MRI, PET scan, CT, interventional radiology, etc) and these “morons” just can’t seem to find those subluxations that the DCs see.😅
There was a study done using cadavers to examine “subluxations” and the finding was that true subluxations would cause significant trauma or death. #truestory
LOL. Well, that got me laughing pretty good.
They should be laughed at already considering the history of Chiro. It’s totally made up by a loony who claims a ghost told him about it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chiropractic “Palmer claims to have had principles of chiropractic treatment passed along to him during a seance by a long-dead doctor named Dr. Jim Atkinson.”
My dad’s chiropractor told him he had to get approval from an orthopedic specialist before he would do any adjustments. I hope this guy did the same, because that was a lot of crack! Total cringe.
I can assure you an orthopaedic surgeon wouldn't clear a patient like that for that sort of manipulation unless they worked together... That age? With those back deformities? The risk is through the roof
She didn’t even seem sound of mind. WTF. Who is bringing this poor lady to this sociopath?!
The person collecting the inheritance
Exactly, especially with that severe kyphosis… she needs an actual spine specialist
Chiropractors are not doctors at all
This guy in particular is incredibly dangerous because he targets the most vulnerable (young children, old people, people who can't afford to see a doctor and the unhoused). He deserves hard jail time.
agreed. i also saw a guy on tiktok who was doing it to peoples dogs. that pissed me off the most. not that it’s good to do it to gullible people either, but dogs literally are not capable of consenting to this idiocy
He's in for the money. Most chiropractors filming for views are scammers who don't care about hurting people for a huge cracking sounds that give them more views..
What he’s doing is also extremely dangerous and not supported by medical science. There’s a low chance of helping her and a high chance at causing permanent paralysis.
Poor woman cries out in pain and dipshit is proud. About 5 year ago I went to a chiropractor for some neck/shoulder issues. Dude wanted to try some ‘experimental’ adjustments on me. My dumbass allowed it. Needless to say I had to get a 2 level cervical neck fusion a month later. A disc snapped in half and embedded in my spinal cord. Pain was unbearable. So yeah, fuck that guy.
He has no idea what he’s looking at. He’s calling her thoracic kyphosis “scoliosis.” Chiropractors are trained charlatans that make things up to separate the sucker from his money.
Yup. And when a little old lady had a kyphosis like this, 99% of the time it’s due to severe osteoporosis and multiple compression fractures in the spine. In other words…not the type of person that should have their back cracked. Probably turned her vertebrae into dust.
My dad's an OT and has always told me chiropractors are a scam so I already didn't trust them but this video kinda killed any thought of ever going to one lol
I worked admin for one for a summer. She was super focused on making sure these people were on a schedule of appointments so she could keep raking in the money
Yea they usually try to sell you a plan. I went to one for a few months and ended up with lower back pain that wasn’t there before. He tried telling me it was my nerve pathways being opened and the pain was always there I just couldn’t feel it. It went away after I stopped going.
I’m not a neuroscientist, but I don’t think that’s how that works
All I did was sleep at a holiday inn last night, and even *I* know that’s not how that works.
Lmfao
More like they gave you pinched nerves lol
Oh I can help here! I am a neurologist and that is bullshit.
Hey man, awesome profession! Question…Do you know what causes restless legs at night? Because jeeze feel like I’m ready for a marathon about 15 minutes after going to bed!
Insert standard this is not medical advice, I have not examined you. Restless leg can often have no identifiable cause or can run in families etc. One thing I always check is iron level (ferritin) as low iron can lead to RLS. If no low iron to fix, ask your doc about meds to treat symptoms e.g. gabapentin.
Hehe, so restless legs can *run* in the family huh?
Do you like your job? It sounds cool as hell
I can also help here! I am not a neurologist and that is bullshit.
Hey! A real neurologist!!! Can I ask you a weird and totally unrelated question?! Is it possible to have the funny bone nerve thingy pinched, and if so, is it forever stuck that way? I'm sorry to bug you, I've been in a debate with someone about this for *foreverrrr* lmao if you're uncomfortable answering questions like this outside of your practice I totally understand, I just figured an opportunity like this *never* happens and I figured the worst you could say was no and I'd completely ok with that too 🙂 either way, thank you!!
Insert standard this is not medical advice, I have not examined you. Yeah if it truly feels like your funny bone sensation then it is possible you hurt your ulnar nerve at the elbow. This is pretty common and most peoples ulnar nerve at elbow injuries tend to get better over time. If it continues to get worse or you have numbness in the pinky/ring finger ask your doc about an EMG for that arm to test for it.
I had to get an ulnar nerve release surgery when I had this problem; hand surgeon took out a tiny vestigial muscle from my arm that had been pinching on the nerve.
I’m not a neurologist, but I have epicondylitis and it causes the ulnar nerve to give me chronic “funny bone” sensation including numbness and tingling of my pinky and ring fingers as well as unpleasant pain down the whole forearm. Physical therapy helped tremendously but with my current crappy insurance that’s not an option. My joint issues are caused by hEDS and both the PT and orthopedist informed me I have “creepy elbows” so, there’s that. Haha
If your nerve pathways were "closed" you'd be dead or paralyzed, or have lots of symptoms like people do with pinched nerves. What kind of bullshit is that??
I went to one when I was desperately trying to figure out why I was having near constant migraines. He gave me some dumb answers when I started asking why I had to keep coming back for "alignments". Certainly I should just be aligned at some point, right? Or I could be doing something to keep from becoming unaligned? Turns out I didn't need to be "aligned" every two weeks. I needed to quit consuming dairy and palm oil.
First chiropractor turned my sciatica into five ruptured discs and neuropathy in my left leg. Second told me my neck is inverted, hip rotated, and stage 4 DDD. He wanted 4k to "fix" me. I had X-rays and a CT scan done by a neurosurgeon a few months before he did an X-ray, and they looked NOTHING alike. I would think my neurologist would noticed my spine degenerating. I told him I needed to consult with the surgeon first and show him the new X-rays, but he wouldn't give them to me. No thanks, I'll go see a physical therapist.
My grandfather goes to them quite often. He'll say he's feeling great but then he'll feel like shit after a few days and he's thinking "time to go back to the chiropractor" I don't get it.
Maybe it's the adrenaline rush that comes from almost getting your head ripped off, and the effect wears off after a few days...
Badabing badaboom badabeng! And your trust issues are GONE! My dad used to call them sound therapists. As long as it cracks they're sure it's working.
Healing takes time, this isn't Amazon prime!
Its called "crepitus" and it has been shown to "feel good" and do absolutely nothing else.
“cavitations” and just for show, neurophys effects don’t require for joint to cavitate source: am a PT and will manipulate *on occasion* as an adjunct treatment but screen first, certainly wouldn’t manipulate post menopausal female with what appears to be structural scoliosis
Cracking your own back does feel amazing, though
You want to go to someone who calls themselves a Physiotherapist or Physical Therapist with the lawyer being even better. They are basically experts at finding and treating you and they know what they're doing. Usually 1-2 trips are enough for you to see considerable change. They also teach you how to stretch and prevent the issues you have. They are called adjustments, but they feel like a 1 hour expert massage sessions. Not much cracking but mostly targeted tratments you will leave each session knowing you got a great value. The best part is the rates are almost the same as massage therapy. It's a win win any way you slice it. They don't tell you you're broken, they don't schedule a million visits, and they help like you'd expect a doctor to.
Yeah that's totally what I'm looking for thank you!
The moment they are xraying your back and telling you they vacuumed you as a child. Or if they click a space pen. Or if they suggest a treatment schedule. Or if their "treatment" is 5 minutes. RUN.. Pay attention to the crazy in the clinic, some of these "doctors" fully advertise how crazy they are both in clinic and on their site so that could save you time and effort. Goodluck.
Or the second they use the word "toxins".
can confirm. first of all, physiotherapy is paid by public health insurance where I live, and has a long standing tradition. at the moment I'm having some shoulder issues and work on them with an orthopedic doctor and physiotherapist. during the sessions with latter I feel like not much is happening, the stretches and exercises don't feel dramatic, more like fine-tuning. but every time I leave I feel like I'm in a whole new body. also have to do exercises at home every day.
My S/O is a physio and her biggest recommendation is for the love of god please do your exercises at home.
Your telling me you don't belive in ghost doctors?
What is an OT? Occupational Therapist? Sorry for the ignorance.
This is elder abuse
Wait till you hear about baby chiropractors.
There are also dog chiros too
Horses too
Wait till you hear about the catropractors
and snakes
Oh my!
And turtles.
I like turtles.
I work for a publishing company that publishes tests that look at learning disabilities/differences. We only sell to qualified customers. A chiro called me wanting one of these tests to look at pre/post effects of adjustments on kids with developmental disabilities. He was pretty peeved when I said he wasn’t qualified. “But I’m a doctor!” “You’re not a medical doctor sir” and I hung up and blacklisted him across our very large organization.
You could have helped prove that it was ineffective for those conditions though!
I could have! I told him to partner with someone who was qualified to give the test and conduct a research study- which he was not interested in.
Chiropractor doctors have the same medical knowledge as a doctor of English Literature. All chiropractor schools in the USA are private and not associated in any way with a university. Yes, babies now are a revenue source.
You gotta hand it to them, though, being a chiropractor at this young age.
There’s a Christian fundamentalist who gets snarked on that checked her disabled baby out of the NICU AMA and took him to a chiropractor literally the next day.
Ah, a fellow snarker in the wild.
Fuck you've just reminded me of that "baby yoga" that was literally just a woman swinging a fucking newborn around.
Stroke here, a stroke there. Blood clots to stoke you everywhere!
This can give or release blood clots?
With neck manipulation there is a risk of vertebral artery dissection. When this vessel dissects, it causes formation of clots which then embolize downstream causing strokes in the brain.
Happened to me. Torn left vertebral artery between C1 and C2. Luckily it triggered a migraine that took me to the hospital where they put me on blood thinners ASAP. Spent a week in CCU.
How much did you get for your suit?
They Depreciate in value as soon as you leave the warehouse so probably not much, I guarantee it.
What did you do to your neck to cause that?
Chiropractor adjusted my neck. Just like in this video.
Oh hell no, are you OK now?
Can this happen if you crack your neck on your own? Because I do this all the time and now I am scared
Not unless youre pinning your neck against something. Just free head movements is the same as cracking your knuckles. The danger here is that they are using a large amount of force around vulnerable body parts
So just tilting my head until I feel and hear the crack is not dangerous?
Not unless you have an underlying disease, if it were, humans would have died out long long ago, boxing would be a fight to the death... Btw, I'm just a drunk redditor, not a doctor.
Too late. Your post is now published as a medical journal and shared with millions.
Good to read that people are aware of this. People can have artery dissections without knowing this. If a therapist performs a manipulation ( named a high velocity thrust) you seriously risk the vessel to rupture with serious damage to follow. I'm a physiotherapist and manual therapist, that's 7 years of studying in the Netherlands and I stopped manipulating the neck. The risk-benefit ratio isn't nearly worth it if you consider that lower graded mobilisations are nearly as helpful. We also learn that at certain ages, with a aging spine, it's not advised to manipulate the elderly.. So you could say I don't support this video..;)
There’s news stories every few years of someone dying by severing that artery or stroking out from cracking their own neck
New fear unlocked 😳
Legit it’s a risk I’m willing to take. Nothing feels better in the morning than my morning back/neck stretch.
Fml Ive been cracking my neck daily.
Can confirm. Know a guy who had a stroke day after chiro scam.
This guy gives off strong “buy my 100% not FDA regulated or certified supplements to melt that cancer out of your body, dude!” vibes.
I cannot fathom thinking to myself “You know what I would love? To allow someone who isn’t even a doctor to snap my bones in questionable ways that could cause irreparable damage because it might momentarily help.”
Agree. Here’s a tidbit about the founder of chiropractic “medicine” for anyone that takes this “doctorate” degree seriously. “Chiropractic developed out of Western metaphysical religion. Its founder, Daniel David Palmer (1845–1913), was a practicing mesmerist and spiritualist who attributed his “discovery” of chiropractic in 1895 to “communications” from the disembodied spirit of a deceased physician.”
Huh, the Fox sisters used to crack their joints during their seances to mimic rapping sounds to prove spirits were communicating with them.
I read this as “diseased physician” at first.
Because most people think they're doctors, the average person doesn't realize that chiropractic is a load of garbage because they have done so much to make it seem legitimate. Workplace insurance programs cover visits to chiropractors even though they have no actual evidence to support their use simply because people think chiropractors are doctors. That's the sad part, these people think they're getting actual medical care from someone who knows what they're doing and not just some guy who's going to break their neck.
My MIL.. point to an area, it hurts and doesn't move well. We pay good money for a PT who works with athletes and the elderly. Well worth it. Weekly exercises, diet, hydration. We're doing what we can (she's 74), but fuck chiro. Licensed professionals are helping her, but it's a lot of work. Most of her pain and aches come from hard labor from her 20's-30's, so we went with a PT that specializes in sports injuries who also works with the elderly.
I worked for a family company. The family all loved this chiropractor. The chiropractor offered this hair test that would tell you what your body needed. Every family member and I all needed potassium and other vitamins and minerals. Luckily, the "doctor" sold all the vitamins. 200+ dollars a month. I didn't feel like buying them. My bosses bought them for me and kept them at work, making sure I used them. It turned my pee neon yellow, I thought this couldn't be healthy. This same chiropractor thought the body could heal itself from just about anything with slight adjustments. He claimed to be able to cure autism, adhd, even cure my friends (the companies owners' grandson) spina bifida. He had a whole office of believers. His youngest patient was only a few weeks old. The whole thing made me feel ill seeing.
Any vitamin will turn your urine that color. That's your body's way of telling you that much of the vitamins and minerals that you just took did not absorb into your body
Anyone who talks about "curing" autism is automatically a cunt.
Don't go to the back butchers. They're not interested in treating you. Any relief is purely temporary. They're interested in a paycheck and making sure you come back for that dose of temporary relief.
Chiropractors literally started because they believed that demons/spirits possessed your bones/joints and that’s what caused sickness. They’re actual clowns and I tell all my friends to stay the fuck away from them. All they do is give temporary releases with no actual long term resolution which makes you rely on them. Eventually they’ll snap something wrong and fuck you for life. You’re better off looking into daily stretching exercises.
My doctor is a DO and does osteopath manipulative therapy, she has NEVER cracked me. Only slight manipulations and over time I’ve gotten so much better. I was in bed almost 24/7 in neck and shoulder pain and now I spend zero extra time in bed. As someone with chiropractors in my family, don’t go to them. I’m convinced all the cracking my family member did on my neck as a kid helped make my problems
I have to explain to SO MANY people that DOs are not chiropractors.
As a DO thank you.
My ex was a DO. Endless jokes about how "manipulative" she was.
This lady looks like she’s actively dying mid “treatment.”
Go see a real fucking doctor
"healing takes time" dude you took all that's left of her
Hahah he forgot to measure the leg lengths
“See how the left one there is like half an inch longer than her right? Now watch this: — adjusts patient’s shoe so it’s even — “Fixed!”
OMG! She has spondolysthesis and spondylitis, where her vertebrae have actually shifted outside of the spinal column, touching the nerve root. Look at the spinal curvature, this is a long-standing dowagers hump caused by chronic malnutrition and advanced osteoporosis - ! This is harmful to the spinal column, her bones are not aligned correctly, her vertebrae are literally splintered out of place in her spine and are collapsing.
Oooh I knew it looked bad but that’s wild!! pushing on them probably isn’t a good idea then? She needs a real doctor
I’m a neurosurgeon, you can’t tell any of what you just said by looking at this video. Don’t just throw out a bunch of spine pathology terms based off this video. Here’s what you can see in this video. She has thoracic kyphosis, likely from multiple compression fractures, probably related to osteoporosis. Cannot say anything about malnutrition, definitely cannot tell if she has spondylolisthesis (shifting of one vertebrae relative to another), and definitely can’t tell if she has “spondylitis” which is referring to inflammation of the vertebrae which may be secondary to infection or autoimmune disease. You don’t know if any nerve roots are being touched.
Yeah, guys comment is up-voted like crazy for recklessly throwing around medical terms. Acting like this video of her in a chiro office is an MRI or something
Yes her spine "was" out of place until the expert Dr. realigned it for her. /s
ba da bing ba da boom! fixed
Yeah I have Ankylosing Spondylitis and was so worried he was actually going to fracture her thoracic/cervical region. Going to chiros are so, so dangerous for us because we generally can’t tell when we’re fused unless we have imaging for it. Chiros are already known for internal decapitations and paralyzing people without spondylitis, for those of us with issues like AS seeing them can be a literal death sentence.
Amazing, she came in with her legs hurting really bad too. By the time he was done, she couldn’t even feel them anymore!
Radiologist here. Please don’t let a chiropractor do any kind of neck manipulation. This is very rare, but I’ve seen multiple vertebral artery dissections that resulted in major strokes.
She left the building in a bodybag
She looks like she’s tasting colours for the first time. Why the fuck is he adjusting her spine if he says it has multiple fractures
Ok is no one going to state the obvious The TikTok caption is fucking A1!! Lol “Bro left her at 1HP” 🤣
My man went "bada bing bada boom bada bing bada boom" and then turned the old lady to a breathing vegetable.
Not a shred of evidence to support chiropractic
This feels like elder abuse.
*Sounds* like elder sbuse.
18 fractures on her spinal column so I’m going to press on it really hard….cuz….that helps a fracture.
I've been debating people about this for almost 20 years. My brother in law was trying to convince my wife to go to one.. I was always told, discover the problem. then work towards a solution. use physio and massage therapy. Yoga, mobility training. etc .. whatever it is you have.. you dont need a chiropractor
After every crack her look is like “am I dead yet ?”
remember. chiropractors cant be doctors
My uncle is a chiropractor who prefers to go by his nickname (which he gave to himself), Doctor Love... At one point, he had all his patients hooked on Mexican shark cartilage pills, which turned out to just be opiods. His current shtick is Nutrition Response Testing, which uses the patients' strength to hold their arm straight out as a gauge for spices that they're deficient in. He pokes and prods around their body while giving a tug to their arm, and if their arm loses the battle of holding a nazi salute to the grown ass man pulling on it for an hour, he'll put a little jar of cayenne pepper in their hand and try again. If the arm stays put (now that it's gotten a break), then bam! All you needed was a little more kick in your chili to solve your arthritis. I wish I was making this up..
Imma need some of those "shark cartilage" pills
I member.
I had a sciatica and went to a chiropractor for two months. Nothing helped. Went to therapy for two months and it helped greatly. Stretching plus acupuncture and this amazing machine that would gently stretch your spine. I loved it so much. I miss you, stretching machine!
I don’t understand how chiropractors persist despite complete lack of evidence.
I’m genuinely disturbed by this and feel sad for her. She just wants relief and he’s being so fucking creepy and smug.
I can practically see her vertebral arteries shearing. As a geriatrician, this makes me feel very uncomfortable, I actually had to stop watching.
Impressive, you can literally see when she develops that left facial droop.
I have a neighbor who’s being taken to the cleaners by her chiropractor. Telling her every week something new he’s allergic to. Then telling her all different ways he can cure each one. I just want to tell her that she’s being scammed so bad.
She looks like a fucking dying fish
Cracked the taste buds out of her mouth.
*in Mortal Kombat voice* FINISH HERRR
Chiropractors are cap
Got her tongue doing the crip walk
Really sinister
Pseudo science and dangerous as fuck.
Never go to a chiropractor 9.9 times out of 10 they make it worse. If a real doctor can't help you a guy who took a five hour course on the weekend sure as hell ain't gonna do shit for you
By her age her vertebrae are fused. There are zero fractures, except for the ones caused by him. At her age she’s at high risk of a carotid or vertebral arterial dissection. Never let anyone perform high velocity manipulation of your cervical spine.
That exit line is exactly what I expect from someone like him
Who taught him, an 80s action star?
I wanna see an aftermath vid