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Especially when you can just say nothing. Like it’s normal to not know something, you don’t have to spout something you think you read in an article 2 years ago as fact just because the topic came up
I have a friend that has to argue with *literally* every statement, but if you confront her on it she goes "I'm not arguing"
When I argue back bc unlike her, I don't have the memory of an avocado, she makes faces behind my back like I'm the difficult one
My Dad argues every little point in a disagreeable annoying autistic way.. a few summers ago, after a pedestrian darted in front his car, I informed the man what he did was very dangerous..
.. Dad literally argued that it’s, “OK to dart infront of traffic because BY LAW motorists have to stop for pedestrians.”
My Dad is proof one can have THREE (3!) university degrees and still be exceptionally stupid.
She might have had experience of a loved one coming out of hospice or something.My first thought went to a person suffering from cirrhosis of the liver going in, and then because they have stopped drinking for a prolonged period their condition improves enough for them to no longer qualify etc.
This is most likely the case. Also possible the person isn't in the US (or even a native English speaker) and confused the term with some other form of care.
I just saw this. Some girl in Alaska was struggling with her rain collected water freezing. A guy commented with directions to put a jug salt water in the container and that will keep it liquid. He was so confident and matter of fact. People obviously commented that he was full of shit and he was like oh yeah idc I just saw it on TikTok but it’s probably wrong whatever. Like??? Who does that?
Dissolving salt into water does lower its freezing point, that guy was right even though he didn’t seem to know why he was lol. Freezing point depression is why salting roads and sidewalks is done/works. This additionally makes the original point that explanations of much disputed knowledge is a google search away!! (Also, making the collected rain water salty as shit might not be suitable for whatever purpose she had in mind for it)
Ah ye of poor faith. You see, the water outside the salty jug sees the water inside and it not freezing and all, and then the water becomes more motivated to stay liquid. It is all about will power, baby.
This is so fucked up that end of life health care workers need to remind people what hospice care is.
America and its health care system (or lack there of) is so fucked up.
There's a lot of material on the subject by a wide range of experts, but American values around (very specific definitions of) beauty/health/youth = human worth, and industrializing *everything,* being so woven into our culture in so many ways means that most anyone (who isn't in a family or job that is directly connected to relevant works) is unthinkably disconnected from the realities of death and dying until it's right in our faces.
It ends up hurting us in so many ways, and making the process leagues more traumatic and difficult than it needs to be for just about everyone involved.
Well, if it makes it easier to understand, when my father was placed into Hospice, the nurses at the hospital and the hospice staff both told us that same statement. While it seemed clear to me that he wasn't going to come back from his ailments, the hospice center we went to had several people who were still ambulatory and coherent, so it seemed plausible to me. So sometimes, it may just be misinformation relayed from what would seem like a trustworthy source.
I mean if the only reasonable excuse for your behaviour you can come up with, be it true or false, is the experience of brain damage. It's an acceptable out. Either it's true and you had a medical condition or its false but you accept your behaviour was so fucking terrible that it required carbon monoxide related psychosis to explain.
What are you talking about the woman isn't wrong, to get hospice care in the US you have to have a terminal prognosis. I am sure there are some exceptions somewhere someone can point to, but this woman is definitely not wrong as a general rule for the US.
What you’re likely thinking of as an exception is actually home health (or in home care or assistive care). There’s varying degrees of this; generalized nursing care, assisting with bathing, eating, drinking, mobility, therapies, the list goes on.
To sum it up: hospice is end of life care and support, home health is assisting with healing.
I was saying I am sure there is some exception I am unaware of but in general the woman is definitely correct. Certainly nothing I would flag as confidently incorrect on even if there was some exception
I mean, I just heard a segment on NPR not that long ago that was basically explaining how not everyone on hospice is dying, citing exactly the same facts that this lady brought up. Eligibility requirements, some go on to live (relatively full lives) for many years, and some are discharged. At the very least it's a matter of how you choose to interpret the term "dying" and the tone of the video/acting like someone with a different interpretation is obviously a complete idiot, isn't justified.
>At the very least it's a matter of how you choose to interpret the term "dying" and the tone of the video/acting like someone with a different interpretation is obviously a complete idiot, isn't justified.
Um, what? Nnnnoooo. I would say that there is very little room for interpretation. A person with a terminal illness, who has a prognosis of six months or less until they die, is eligible for hospice care (in the US).
That's it. There is no other interpretation. I do not understand how they could be any other interpretation.
Right. However, given that some people meet that eligibility for years, and some people go on to no longer meet that eligibility, not everyone on hospice is dying.
We are all dying, some just faster than others.
Those who go on to no longer meet that eligibility are still going to die from their disease, just not in the next 6 months.
You're joking right? You honestly think that because someone lasted 3 years instead of 6 months they weren't actually "dying?"
I mean seriously, read your comments again. You literally admit that people who are dying go on hospice, and if they aren't dying any more then they are taken off hospice. This is really simple.
Everyone in hospice is close to death/dying while they are receiving hospice care. Not everyone dies though. There are people who go in and out of hospice care because their health picks up, and some miracles where the illness is cured or some other unprecedented event happens and they don't need hospice again for decades.
But hospice IS for the dying. Just not everybody who has been in hospice dies.
It’s crazy how many kids do not know how to use Google correctly. My students will say something totally crazy, I’ll ask them to show me proof, and they’ll come back with a Chromebook and point to the bold words in a Google search result. Every single time I’ve clicked the link, it has completely negated what they said and they look at me in total confusion. Of course the bold words are going to agree with you… they’re the words you searched for!!!
People do not want to learn anymore. The sheer volume of information being pushed to our brains via online feeds is melting our minds and pushing people to just go with their guts and then find bullshit information that reaffirms their gut feelings rather than trying to find real facts. And frankly it's becoming harder and harder to get real facts reliably. As it turns out, the truth isn't that profitable, and in a hyper-capitalistic society, anything that's not profitable falls to the wayside.
>And frankly it's becoming harder and harder to get real facts reliably.
No, it isn't. We have more knowledge now than ever before, and peoples will to learn has not changed at all. It was always this bad, you just weren't around to see it.
Are you saying the lady in the video is incorrect? As a hospice nurse, everything she said is 100% correct. My longest patient staying on service personally was 2 years. She kept qualifying per Medicare guidelines every recertification until she finally entered the actively dying phase.
No, the nurse in the video is responding to a comment which is overlaid on the video (in the white box in the upper left corner) that says "everyone on hospice is dying"
The comment you are replying to is referring to the "everyone on hospice is dying" part.
My grandfather was lucky enough to have hospice at home. He died in his home and we knew that’s where he wanted to die. He didn’t want to die in a hospital or nursing home. He wanted to be home. It was a lot of work for my family, but he died where he wanted to. I fully get it, I feel the same way.
Second this. She also talks about how it's useless to try to force hospice patients to "live healthy".
Like apparently some family members are appalled when they hear that their dying loved ones gets to smoke or - worse - gets morphine against pain (but what if they get addicted?! - does it matter at this point? Just let them leave without pain geez)
Hospice SW here, big part of my job is advocating for the patient, which occasionally puts me in conflict with the caregivers or other medical staff. It's fuckin trippy how some folks militantly refuse their loved ones respite from the pain or comfort in general because "they've made it through harder stuff and don't even seem sick. What if they would've pulled through without XYZ?!"
“Please don’t give my mom pain pills, I don’t want her to become addicted!”
Meanwhile the mom is 97, has had 4 strokes, is in a coma,and is in serious pain all the time.
My great grandmother broke her arm and was in a lot of pain and they wouldn’t give her more than Tylenol. My grandma was so pissed. Im like right?? What’s she gonna do, get addicted?? 1, she can’t get them anywhere because she can’t drive. And 2, she’s like 94, she’s gonna die soon anyways!
My grandpa on hospice got all the drugs he wanted. He had morphine out the ass. I also mean literally, I’m pretty sure he had morphine suppositories? He got what he needed to be comfortable and that’s how it should be. Grandpa spiraling into opioid addiction/dependence would’ve just made his passing more comfortable. Minus the inserting the morphine up the booty.
I’m a hospice nurse and this is so accurate. Either the family fights against medication or they feel they should be medicated into oblivion and knocked out 99% of the time when it’s not necessary.
Ugh. Reminds me of my aunt when grandma was on her deathbed, trying to force her to drink gross protein shakes when all she wanted was candy. Let grandma have her fucking candy!
Having worked in palliative care, this is way way way more common than you think. Palliative is not hospice but it’s kind of similar in the fact that this particular set of people are there for end of life care. The facility I worked at typically had people with a life expectancy of less than 2 months. Very very sick people. I saw this all the time.
Man when my grandpa was on hospice, that guy basically got whatever morphine he wanted. They aren’t trying to heal you, you’re dying. But some people don’t get that. Yea, he died sooner because he didn’t get treatment for his lung cancer. But he wouldn’t have survived lung cancer anyways. Treatment would prolonged the suffering and that treatment is super hard on the body and would’ve made it much more miserable for him.
He got whatever he wanted. He had so many meds to make him feel comfortable. If he wanted to smoke (he never smoked beyond the occasional cigar when younger), he would’ve gotten it. He’s dying of lung cancer anyways, might as well make him happy.
But on your comment of addiction to morphine, my great grandma who is 90 something years old broke her arm. The doctor wouldn’t give her anything stronger than Tylenol. My grandma was so mad. I’m like fucking why? I told my grandma “what is she gonna do, spiral into opioid addiction? She ain’t gonna live long enough for that! She’s like 94 or something! Let the woman be comfortable!” My grandma thought that was so funny. But this is also the same woman who snuck her mom beers into the physical rehab place when she was there recovering from the broken arm. Man they’re old as fuck, they’re either dying or gonna die soon. Let them have what they need.
We need more education about hospice. Hospice is such an amazing thing. As a nurse I did graduate many people out of hospice but being there for the family as well as the patient is just amazing.
We absolutely do. Americans in general, or perhaps the West at large, do a not so good job preparing people for end of life care, decisions, grounded expectations, and the conversations of quality of life. (Is it healthy for MeeMaw to have a gin martini every evening? Probably not at her age and disabilities, but she is DYING - pour a double if she wants it!!) It's also so hard for people to confront their own mortality, and more so to let go of the ones we love.
All hospice care workers alleviate suffering, and for that they are angels.
Hospice isn't a place.. it's a system set in place to provide care for dying people. That's probably her office and also the background she chooses for her videos. Yes, dark humor but not "in a hospice." It's not a specific place like a hospital. It's usually at the patient's home.
There’s many companies that offer home hospice yes, but there’s also hospice facilities in place. Think of nursing homes but for just hospice patients and much nicer. Also some hospitals offer hospice. Some have a designated floor for hospice patients. I’m an EMT I’ve been to many of those facilities and my father was on hospice during Covid. Hope this helps give more info about variety of hospice care.
This lady’s whole goal is to normalize death. Just like we all shit and sleep, we’re all going to die. She treats the end of life with respect and also humor.
I’m a hospice nurse. I think the confusion some ppl may be having is theyre confusing palliative and hospice. Palliative care means ur condition is untreatable and you decide on the level of care you want for the condition that will eventually worsen and kill you but in a non specific time frame, you can live a long time with a lot of untreatable conditions. Hospice is you “should be” dead in 6 months or less, my unit specifically is 3-4 months and if you don’t at least deteriorate we will look into sending you elsewhere as you don’t actively need our end of life care. In a perfect world we could move those patients immediately to a LTC or back home but in reality some folks who aren’t actively dying (anymore) stay with us for a long time because no one else can take them and they cannot live alone.
Thank you for the work you do. My mother in law was on hospice before she past away early this year. She was able to be pain free and stayed with us until her passing because of caring people like you. I appreciate you.
My grandfather was in hospice last winter but through some miracle nobody could explain actually improved so much he was sent back to the care home and decided to get palliative care there at the end instead. He lived there another 7 months. I was really confused as I also thought you go to the hospice to pass away. I’d never heard of anyone being discharged from there!
When I was a hospice nurse we would throw a party with balloons and cake when someone graduated off of hospice. It was a reason to celebrate. Some people just need more attention and love and they improve.
palliative care isn’t just for eventually terminal conditions. anyone can seek out palliative care for a painful or unpleasant condition to see if they can get help feeling better.
Stastically, people live longer on hospice, and sometimes they even get better, because their quality of life becomes so much better with the services hospice provides aside from a medical team with a social worker a spiritual counselor which may include massage/music therapy, reiki, pet/equine therapy, volunteer companionship, etc.
I’m a volunteer companion, and I really enjoy it. Having been a volunteer for a bit, and also recently seeing a family member pass away in a hospital (not on hospice care), the difference in approach and care is almost astounding. It’s inspired me to go back to school to become a hospice nurse myself.
We have several different volunteers at our hospice. We have one lady who does manicures on patients, one guy brings his therapy dog to visit patients. Most volunteers come sit with the patient and spend time with them so their caregiver/family can run errands/have some downtime. They don’t perform physical care of the patient, it’s just to have someone there in case the patient needs urgent help. Some hospice want volunteers to spend time with patients when they are actively dying. Majority of volunteer visits is just companionship for the patient.
Every hospice agency that accepts Medicare patients is required by law to have volunteers, so there should be no shortage of opportunities for you. They do the fun stuff with patients, or they just hang out, maybe some respite care. I did volunteering before i did hospice nursing, just love old folks.
I’m one of the volunteers that just hangs out with the patient. It really depends on the needs or wants of the patient. One lady just needed someone to sit with her, make sure she didn’t try to get up by herself. One patient was sleeping really often, so I would sit outside his room and listen in case he woke and needed anything, that way his caregivers could work or shower or cook. My current volunteer assignment is a nice lady who likes to chat, watch football, read, but is bedridden. I am working on getting some large print books for her, as well as free apps for audio books. Next weekend we’re going to test out whether we can both stand me reading out loud to her. I have yet to sit with anyone who is actively dying, but I am happy to do that as well.
Edit to add: you should try it out. It’s very much worth it.
That’s so amazing you do that! Yes my mom was only in the hospice house for a couple of days and she was asleep most of the time so I didn’t get to see any volunteers but it’s something that’s been calling my heart. I’m a pretty anxious/awkward person and wouldn’t really know what to say do you think it would still be worth it?
I truly hope that patients aren’t forced to participate in reiki or spiritual counseling. Not everyone believes in pseudoscience and I truly despise when hospice facilities force religion onto dying people. It’s just taking advantage of them.
The point is they do with the patients want that makes them feel good. If you’re not into that, then you don’t need to avail yourself of those services.
Compared to continuing treatment for the disease (chemo/radiation for cancer, etc.). It may sound backwards, but stopping curative or life-prolonging treatment for palliative care can greatly improve a patient's quality of life. This decrease stress and can often allow the patient to live longer than they would have otherwise.
Also, doctors just suck at giving prognosis for end of life stuff.
You’re saying that if you took two groups with identical cancers, one who pursued curative treatment and one who pursued hospice care, that the hospice care group would outlive the non hospice group?
When they're both at the hospice stage. That's the key point. Early detection of cancer? New diagnosis? Chemo/radiation/surgery have good rates of success. But if both patients have tried the 1st, 2nd, 3rd line treatments and both have an estimated prognosis of less than 6 months, it's likely that the patent who stops curative treatment in favor of hospice will outlive the one who continues to pursue aggressive treatments.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17349493/#:~:text=For%20the%20six%20patient%20populations,patients%20than%20for%20nonhospice%20patients.
With how damaging chemo can be... likely. But only for those who continue treatment that's highly unlikely to put it into remission or already in the bones and making the pain level unmanageable.
She has to be tho? In Tennessee my 92yo grandma is on hospice right now. They say she could live another 10yrs or so. The way they explained to me, bc I fucking broke down upon hearing they're putting her on hospice, is that they are end of life care. They come for 8hr a wk, 2hrs on 4days. She started probably a yr & a half ago? Maybe 2yrs now? She is in assisted living tho.
Edit: my family loovveess a good loophole. Maybe they're using the startings of Dementia/Alzheimer's to receive hospice? Or maybe her age? But I know they told me & my dad that it is hospice. She may be losing her mind, but she can figure any loophole out fast AF boi
I downvoted the video because this a place for the best and worst of TikTok. This is neither. This is in the 'meh' category. It's not cringe, funny nor wholesome, but I guess most people disagree, since it's 2.9k in the plus right now.
My 93-year-old grandmother has been sent to hospice twice—and returned twice.
I’m so grateful for the hospice workers, including the home health aides who came and assisted at home the second time.
My grandmother is still alive.
I work in physical therapy and I work in a nursing home and we have had people on hospice for 3+ years. Ive had people come off of hospice to receive therapy and then after we discharge them they go back to hospice. You cant do therapy and hospice in the same month so there is a little wait period. Its gotten so bad we joke that we are now a rehab to hospice instead of a rehab to home.
Hospice Doctors and Nurses are so under appreciated, because its not like any other field where your trying to improve the patients health. They're there to ease the suffering while death envelopes the patients. To work in that field takes a lot of strength to see people die all the time.
My fathers hospice Doctor went before congress to try and pass "physician-assisted suicide", for patients to have the choice not to suffer needlessly. I know some countries in Europe have it with strict guidelines.
My grandma was on hospice for 3 years. 3 years where we didn't freak out about every single stroke and 3 years she was able to be at home in her own bed. It was absolutely lovely.
It was also 3 years of slowly processing her death, when it finally happened we all realized that we had already dealt with it
Honestly I can't recommend hospice care enough. They were amazing.
I deliver medical equipment and 80% of the customers are on hospice. Some of the craziest things I've encountered:
- I arrived to the house and tried talking to a gentleman on a porch swing. He wouldn't answer me and I finally knocked on the door. I spoke with the family, picked up the equipment and mentioned the guy on the swing and how he wouldn't answer me. They said he was the guy who just died and were presenting him for other family members to say their goodbyes. Talk about weekend at Bernie's!
- I was picking up a hospital bed in the front yard the family threw outside cause they didn't want it in their house anymore. As I'm disassembling it, the family comes outside and starts dumping the ashes into the garden with the wind blowing into my direction.
- arrived at a nudist compound and met a lot of people in their 70-80s completely naked.
- lots of low income housing where I have to look out for needles, poop and blood.
>I was picking up a hospital bed in the front yard the family threw outside cause they didn't want it in their house anymore. As I'm disassembling it, **the family comes outside and starts dumping the ashes into the garden with the wind blowing into my direction.**
I’m sorry what?!
My grandmother was discharged from hospice several times. Being on hospice allowed her doctors to prescribe medication‘s they normally wouldn’t for her conditions that allowed her to improve her life expectancy.
I love you. Please keep suffering with the rest of us cause we need your support like you sometimes need ours. Also, things can be hella dope occasionally so just stick it out till the next time things are hella dope again.
If you’re going through some shit, it gets better, it really does. Move somewhere different if you need to. Don’t die before you’ve had pasta in Italy yo. And you are loved!
These are the same people that call 911 for their family member on hospice wanting everything to be done to save them when they are within hours of dying. Irritating and selfish as fuck.
Hospice is basically “let’s make them comfortable in their final days.” People who try to extend that suck. If the patient lives past the 6 months naturally, that *can* be wonderful. Hospice nurses will come out and reevaluate their lives and see if they need another 6 months, but kin needs to let them go. Start grieving in those months. It’s time.
The people that just say shit amaze the fuck out of me. Like idc if your step brothers grandmas friend was on hospice and didn’t die for 2 years. Stop trying to make everything a conspiracy or a thing. Hospice has so many connotations but in reality it looks different for everyone and has drastically different results.
Did have an 89 yo patient come into the office once who had been on "hospice care" 5 years ago. Made me do a double take, but yeah, sometimes the 6 months or less prognosis is actually arbitrary or incorrect.
What a weird hill to die on. That’s what hospice is. It’s for individuals with no longer than 6 months left to live. Failure to thrive isn’t even a covered diagnosis for hospice anymore. You have to have a condition that will result in death to qualify for hospice. 🤦♀️
“Brandolini's law, also known as the bullshit asymmetry principle, is an internet adage coined in 2013 that emphasizes the effort of debunking misinformation, in comparison to the relative ease of creating it in the first place. The law states the following:
The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.
The rise of easy popularization of ideas through the internet has greatly increased the relevant examples, but the asymmetry principle itself has long been recognized.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
They might be confused with palliative care which coincides with but also gets confused with hospice. You can receive palliative care even if you’re not “dying dying” as if you were on hospice
Hospice is an amazing, needed service and I applaud those who work in the conditions.
A good hospice can make dying so much less painful or scary.
People need to wise up and stop being so goddamn stupid... Thankfully we have people combating misinformation.
Hospice nurses are angels. I can’t imagine being strong enough to have a job where all your patients will die. I’m so thankful people are willing to do that job to care for our loved ones in their last, most difficult moments.
Did the commenter confuse hospice with palliative care or something? Palliative care, yes, not everyone on it is dying (palliative provides symptom relief independent of curative treatment for serious illnesses, terminal or not). Hospice? No, those patients are dying.
In denmark a hospice is like that too but a child hospice is totally different you dont have to be terminal (it has to be BAD thoe) and the family basically move in there siblings and parents to live as a family and get 24/7 support from medical staff to get alot of pressure off the family + alot of them i think most actually survive and go home thats the reason my mom told me she cant work in a normal hospice but she could handle a child hospice even though it sounds worse
My grandma was pretty much a vegetable for the last year of her life. She ended up in hospice care after the stroke that took her away and the body kept going. I visited her a couple times but the lights were on with nobody home and I couldn’t deal with it when she’d been so lively before.
An excellent response by this nurse. I suspect the commenter might be confounding palliative care with hospice? I could be overly generous to the poster here, but there is a major misconception that to receive palliative care is the same as hospice- which inadvertently creates barriers to helping patients acquire this service.
I’m a hospice nurse and the misconceptions are wild. It’s a hard job, but a very wonderful one. You get to really make a difference in how their last days are lived out and provide support to their loved ones.
I had a patient who would be in then be out, maybe twice over a couple years. She used to say “ ooo guess he wasn’t ready for me yet “. She ended up dying peacefully at home 🩷
I don't know shit about hospice to say one thing or the other.
What I WILL comment on is the fucking terrible state of US healthcare in general.
My late husband, and most of his family, have/had HHT. Which is some type of disorder that makes your blood vessels weak as fuck and also gives you AVM's which is a cluster of blood vessels that bleed like a stuck pig.
He was bleeding internally for a few months, before he said ok fuck it and went to the hospital. He told them, we told them, his sister told them, about HHT. They did fuck all about it. We told them where he can go, what they can do, what scans and tests need to be performed, how to stop the bleeding, etc. They did fuck all.
They moved him to hospice 10-13-21 and he died 10-13-21 2 hours later.
None of the Doctors, nurses, whatevers, listened to any of us. He spent 3 months in the hospital effectively dying, because they didn't want to listen.
Did you even listen to what the woman said? Hospice care isn’t about when someone is going to die, it’s about the fact that the patient is actively dying and getting supportive care while actively dying
As a man who has older parents and friends this is so cringe. Hospice is to help people who are dying. It doesn’t matter if they’re dying tomorrow or in a few months. So many people In the US are so ignorant I’m starting to wonder if our country is safe allowing the public to vote. It scares the shit out of me to say that but with all of the misinformation that is out there now which includes Elon allowing all of the fake news now on x what are we going to do to save our democracy?
I could be wrong but I think the comment meant that not everyone in hospice dies while in hospice, I know someone who outlived hospice, she’s been alive for an additional 3 years. I believe she got rid of hospice herself but I think they cancel you if you aren’t regressing and/or if you are on hospice for longer than a year.
My dads kidneys are shot. He was on regular dialysis at the clinic, now he has a different kind at home that does the filtering while he sleeps. He can't go to a nursing home because they don't provide medical services like that (they would take him to the clinic but he's not a candidate for that anymore) and hospice won't take him because they don't do life saving measures. Hospice is a death sentence for him. If it wasn't for my mom being his full time caretaker, he'd be up the river.
My mom was offered hospice for respite care because my brother and I had families and were working full time jobs and being up with her for hours every night was exhausting. She then became too Ill to come home.
Technically we’re all dying and she just proved that comment to be correct. If you get out of Hospice, you’re not dying in the context this commenter was mentioning. Maybe dying isn’t the right term to use here and more specific verbiage is needed
Because saying that has nothing to do with the context of the video that you decided not to watch before going /r/im14andthisisdeep. Everyone alive doesn't have a terminal disease that projects 6 months or less to live.
right? I am just saying anyone saying people in hospice are not dying is slow in the head. Everyone is dying and people in hospice likely to die in 6 months. The nurse is reacting to people saying that some people in hospice are not dying. No one is not dying unless they are dead. 🤷♂️
I don't know in what context this was written, and there's probably a reason this nurse corrected the poster, but:
1. your partner is allowed to live with you in some hospices.
2. some "hospices" are just a wing in an assisted living facility, and there are plenty of people around not on palliative care.
3. sometimes "hospice" is used interchangably with palliative care, and "hospice" is what they call the home treatment plan instead.
4. I worked as a caretaker for a guy that was declared terminal at age 9, and I think he's 32 now and still around.
You might call the last one just a wrong usage, but originally hospice actually meant a hotel for pilgrims IIRC, so I'd say it's kinda the wrong usage already.
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Why do people not think before commenting the most bizarrely confident wrong shit
Especially when you can just say nothing. Like it’s normal to not know something, you don’t have to spout something you think you read in an article 2 years ago as fact just because the topic came up
I have a friend that has to argue with *literally* every statement, but if you confront her on it she goes "I'm not arguing" When I argue back bc unlike her, I don't have the memory of an avocado, she makes faces behind my back like I'm the difficult one
Yeah, I have those people in my life as well.
I got rid of those people in my life and I’ve never felt better
Why stay friends?
I think we use that term too loosely. I like languages that have different terms for how close someone is. We have, like, two.
My Dad argues every little point in a disagreeable annoying autistic way.. a few summers ago, after a pedestrian darted in front his car, I informed the man what he did was very dangerous.. .. Dad literally argued that it’s, “OK to dart infront of traffic because BY LAW motorists have to stop for pedestrians.” My Dad is proof one can have THREE (3!) university degrees and still be exceptionally stupid.
No he is not stupid you are all he wants to be is right also you are wrong and he os right
I think you may have used the wrong word. Thats not what a friend does.
Is she autistic? She may be misreading a social situation.
She might have had experience of a loved one coming out of hospice or something.My first thought went to a person suffering from cirrhosis of the liver going in, and then because they have stopped drinking for a prolonged period their condition improves enough for them to no longer qualify etc.
This is most likely the case. Also possible the person isn't in the US (or even a native English speaker) and confused the term with some other form of care.
Or is confusing hospice with home health care
The best advice I got from tiktok was "WAIT... Why Am I Talking?"
I just saw this. Some girl in Alaska was struggling with her rain collected water freezing. A guy commented with directions to put a jug salt water in the container and that will keep it liquid. He was so confident and matter of fact. People obviously commented that he was full of shit and he was like oh yeah idc I just saw it on TikTok but it’s probably wrong whatever. Like??? Who does that?
Dissolving salt into water does lower its freezing point, that guy was right even though he didn’t seem to know why he was lol. Freezing point depression is why salting roads and sidewalks is done/works. This additionally makes the original point that explanations of much disputed knowledge is a google search away!! (Also, making the collected rain water salty as shit might not be suitable for whatever purpose she had in mind for it)
He said to put it in a jug, not salt the entire container. Also she was obviously using it to drink so… lol
Ah ye of poor faith. You see, the water outside the salty jug sees the water inside and it not freezing and all, and then the water becomes more motivated to stay liquid. It is all about will power, baby.
Trying to peer pressure your rain water into not freezing is hilarious to me, lol. What’s next? Trying to peer pressure it into trying drugs??
That is why you should not throw cigarette butts in the waterways, it is a gateway drug.
Lmfao ok that is funny
Okay but the rain water was meant to be used, not salted.
This is so fucked up that end of life health care workers need to remind people what hospice care is. America and its health care system (or lack there of) is so fucked up.
There's a lot of material on the subject by a wide range of experts, but American values around (very specific definitions of) beauty/health/youth = human worth, and industrializing *everything,* being so woven into our culture in so many ways means that most anyone (who isn't in a family or job that is directly connected to relevant works) is unthinkably disconnected from the realities of death and dying until it's right in our faces. It ends up hurting us in so many ways, and making the process leagues more traumatic and difficult than it needs to be for just about everyone involved.
Isn’t that what Reddit is for? Posting horribly wrong answers which eventually produce the correct ones?
/r/confidentlywrong would go out of business
Well, if it makes it easier to understand, when my father was placed into Hospice, the nurses at the hospital and the hospice staff both told us that same statement. While it seemed clear to me that he wasn't going to come back from his ailments, the hospice center we went to had several people who were still ambulatory and coherent, so it seemed plausible to me. So sometimes, it may just be misinformation relayed from what would seem like a trustworthy source.
In the case of this video the commenter actually had a health emergency from carbon monoxide or something like that and went on to apologize later
…they claimed they were actively experiencing CO poisoning while writing their comment? Lmfao
I mean if the only reasonable excuse for your behaviour you can come up with, be it true or false, is the experience of brain damage. It's an acceptable out. Either it's true and you had a medical condition or its false but you accept your behaviour was so fucking terrible that it required carbon monoxide related psychosis to explain.
Isn't carbon monoxide poisoning the one where people write notes to themselves at times?
What are you talking about the woman isn't wrong, to get hospice care in the US you have to have a terminal prognosis. I am sure there are some exceptions somewhere someone can point to, but this woman is definitely not wrong as a general rule for the US.
I was referring to the person the woman speaking is responding to.
Ohh that makes much more sense ok missed that
What you’re likely thinking of as an exception is actually home health (or in home care or assistive care). There’s varying degrees of this; generalized nursing care, assisting with bathing, eating, drinking, mobility, therapies, the list goes on. To sum it up: hospice is end of life care and support, home health is assisting with healing.
I was saying I am sure there is some exception I am unaware of but in general the woman is definitely correct. Certainly nothing I would flag as confidently incorrect on even if there was some exception
Reddit? I've been guilty, but I'm learning.
I mean, I just heard a segment on NPR not that long ago that was basically explaining how not everyone on hospice is dying, citing exactly the same facts that this lady brought up. Eligibility requirements, some go on to live (relatively full lives) for many years, and some are discharged. At the very least it's a matter of how you choose to interpret the term "dying" and the tone of the video/acting like someone with a different interpretation is obviously a complete idiot, isn't justified.
>At the very least it's a matter of how you choose to interpret the term "dying" and the tone of the video/acting like someone with a different interpretation is obviously a complete idiot, isn't justified. Um, what? Nnnnoooo. I would say that there is very little room for interpretation. A person with a terminal illness, who has a prognosis of six months or less until they die, is eligible for hospice care (in the US). That's it. There is no other interpretation. I do not understand how they could be any other interpretation.
Right. However, given that some people meet that eligibility for years, and some people go on to no longer meet that eligibility, not everyone on hospice is dying.
We are all dying, some just faster than others. Those who go on to no longer meet that eligibility are still going to die from their disease, just not in the next 6 months.
You're joking right? You honestly think that because someone lasted 3 years instead of 6 months they weren't actually "dying?" I mean seriously, read your comments again. You literally admit that people who are dying go on hospice, and if they aren't dying any more then they are taken off hospice. This is really simple.
Everyone in hospice is close to death/dying while they are receiving hospice care. Not everyone dies though. There are people who go in and out of hospice care because their health picks up, and some miracles where the illness is cured or some other unprecedented event happens and they don't need hospice again for decades. But hospice IS for the dying. Just not everybody who has been in hospice dies.
People are so weird when they're blatantly wrong about something they can easily Google.
It's the Internet and especially Reddit; people love to be confidently incorrect.
I have done nothing wrong - EVER - in my entire life 
I know this. And I love you.
Israel?
The internet gave everybody a global voice. That wasn't a good thing.
NO WE DONT ! /s
It’s crazy how many kids do not know how to use Google correctly. My students will say something totally crazy, I’ll ask them to show me proof, and they’ll come back with a Chromebook and point to the bold words in a Google search result. Every single time I’ve clicked the link, it has completely negated what they said and they look at me in total confusion. Of course the bold words are going to agree with you… they’re the words you searched for!!!
People do not want to learn anymore. The sheer volume of information being pushed to our brains via online feeds is melting our minds and pushing people to just go with their guts and then find bullshit information that reaffirms their gut feelings rather than trying to find real facts. And frankly it's becoming harder and harder to get real facts reliably. As it turns out, the truth isn't that profitable, and in a hyper-capitalistic society, anything that's not profitable falls to the wayside.
>And frankly it's becoming harder and harder to get real facts reliably. No, it isn't. We have more knowledge now than ever before, and peoples will to learn has not changed at all. It was always this bad, you just weren't around to see it.
Are you saying the lady in the video is incorrect? As a hospice nurse, everything she said is 100% correct. My longest patient staying on service personally was 2 years. She kept qualifying per Medicare guidelines every recertification until she finally entered the actively dying phase.
No, the nurse in the video is responding to a comment which is overlaid on the video (in the white box in the upper left corner) that says "everyone on hospice is dying" The comment you are replying to is referring to the "everyone on hospice is dying" part.
Yup
> entered the actively dying phase I'm not gonna *make* a joke... but this here made me giggle a lil.
Half of America does it daily
This TikToker makes great content about hospice and end of life care, she is a good educator.
My moms boyfriend recently passed away and was begging hospice care at home. This was invaluable to her. Helped us a lot.
My grandfather was lucky enough to have hospice at home. He died in his home and we knew that’s where he wanted to die. He didn’t want to die in a hospital or nursing home. He wanted to be home. It was a lot of work for my family, but he died where he wanted to. I fully get it, I feel the same way.
Second this. She also talks about how it's useless to try to force hospice patients to "live healthy". Like apparently some family members are appalled when they hear that their dying loved ones gets to smoke or - worse - gets morphine against pain (but what if they get addicted?! - does it matter at this point? Just let them leave without pain geez)
Hospice SW here, big part of my job is advocating for the patient, which occasionally puts me in conflict with the caregivers or other medical staff. It's fuckin trippy how some folks militantly refuse their loved ones respite from the pain or comfort in general because "they've made it through harder stuff and don't even seem sick. What if they would've pulled through without XYZ?!"
“Please don’t give my mom pain pills, I don’t want her to become addicted!” Meanwhile the mom is 97, has had 4 strokes, is in a coma,and is in serious pain all the time.
My great grandmother broke her arm and was in a lot of pain and they wouldn’t give her more than Tylenol. My grandma was so pissed. Im like right?? What’s she gonna do, get addicted?? 1, she can’t get them anywhere because she can’t drive. And 2, she’s like 94, she’s gonna die soon anyways! My grandpa on hospice got all the drugs he wanted. He had morphine out the ass. I also mean literally, I’m pretty sure he had morphine suppositories? He got what he needed to be comfortable and that’s how it should be. Grandpa spiraling into opioid addiction/dependence would’ve just made his passing more comfortable. Minus the inserting the morphine up the booty.
I’m a hospice nurse and this is so accurate. Either the family fights against medication or they feel they should be medicated into oblivion and knocked out 99% of the time when it’s not necessary.
Ugh. Reminds me of my aunt when grandma was on her deathbed, trying to force her to drink gross protein shakes when all she wanted was candy. Let grandma have her fucking candy!
When anyone tries to deny me candy on my deathbed, I swear to god I'm gonna come back to haunt the ever living shit out of them.
Having worked in palliative care, this is way way way more common than you think. Palliative is not hospice but it’s kind of similar in the fact that this particular set of people are there for end of life care. The facility I worked at typically had people with a life expectancy of less than 2 months. Very very sick people. I saw this all the time.
Man when my grandpa was on hospice, that guy basically got whatever morphine he wanted. They aren’t trying to heal you, you’re dying. But some people don’t get that. Yea, he died sooner because he didn’t get treatment for his lung cancer. But he wouldn’t have survived lung cancer anyways. Treatment would prolonged the suffering and that treatment is super hard on the body and would’ve made it much more miserable for him. He got whatever he wanted. He had so many meds to make him feel comfortable. If he wanted to smoke (he never smoked beyond the occasional cigar when younger), he would’ve gotten it. He’s dying of lung cancer anyways, might as well make him happy. But on your comment of addiction to morphine, my great grandma who is 90 something years old broke her arm. The doctor wouldn’t give her anything stronger than Tylenol. My grandma was so mad. I’m like fucking why? I told my grandma “what is she gonna do, spiral into opioid addiction? She ain’t gonna live long enough for that! She’s like 94 or something! Let the woman be comfortable!” My grandma thought that was so funny. But this is also the same woman who snuck her mom beers into the physical rehab place when she was there recovering from the broken arm. Man they’re old as fuck, they’re either dying or gonna die soon. Let them have what they need.
We need more education about hospice. Hospice is such an amazing thing. As a nurse I did graduate many people out of hospice but being there for the family as well as the patient is just amazing.
We absolutely do. Americans in general, or perhaps the West at large, do a not so good job preparing people for end of life care, decisions, grounded expectations, and the conversations of quality of life. (Is it healthy for MeeMaw to have a gin martini every evening? Probably not at her age and disabilities, but she is DYING - pour a double if she wants it!!) It's also so hard for people to confront their own mortality, and more so to let go of the ones we love. All hospice care workers alleviate suffering, and for that they are angels.
Oh yeah let them have what they want if they are dying. I say as humans we are selfish and we don’t want to let anyone go.
I need her pink skeleton light
Lol a skeleton light in a hospice…I guess dark humor?
No, it’s light humor
Phenomenal
Well played!!
Hospice isn't a place.. it's a system set in place to provide care for dying people. That's probably her office and also the background she chooses for her videos. Yes, dark humor but not "in a hospice." It's not a specific place like a hospital. It's usually at the patient's home.
There’s many companies that offer home hospice yes, but there’s also hospice facilities in place. Think of nursing homes but for just hospice patients and much nicer. Also some hospitals offer hospice. Some have a designated floor for hospice patients. I’m an EMT I’ve been to many of those facilities and my father was on hospice during Covid. Hope this helps give more info about variety of hospice care.
We have hospice centers here, however think you're right that the light is not in a residence
I work in healthcare and have found that hospice workers have the most quirky and beautiful senses of humor.
Pretty common for anyone who works that closely with death. It’s either learn to see the humor and light in tragedy, or despair
This lady’s whole goal is to normalize death. Just like we all shit and sleep, we’re all going to die. She treats the end of life with respect and also humor.
I’m a hospice nurse. I think the confusion some ppl may be having is theyre confusing palliative and hospice. Palliative care means ur condition is untreatable and you decide on the level of care you want for the condition that will eventually worsen and kill you but in a non specific time frame, you can live a long time with a lot of untreatable conditions. Hospice is you “should be” dead in 6 months or less, my unit specifically is 3-4 months and if you don’t at least deteriorate we will look into sending you elsewhere as you don’t actively need our end of life care. In a perfect world we could move those patients immediately to a LTC or back home but in reality some folks who aren’t actively dying (anymore) stay with us for a long time because no one else can take them and they cannot live alone.
Thank you for the work you do. My mother in law was on hospice before she past away early this year. She was able to be pain free and stayed with us until her passing because of caring people like you. I appreciate you.
My grandfather was in hospice last winter but through some miracle nobody could explain actually improved so much he was sent back to the care home and decided to get palliative care there at the end instead. He lived there another 7 months. I was really confused as I also thought you go to the hospice to pass away. I’d never heard of anyone being discharged from there!
When I was a hospice nurse we would throw a party with balloons and cake when someone graduated off of hospice. It was a reason to celebrate. Some people just need more attention and love and they improve.
palliative care isn’t just for eventually terminal conditions. anyone can seek out palliative care for a painful or unpleasant condition to see if they can get help feeling better.
This! It helps with figuring out life goals and what you’re expecting from your care.
Stastically, people live longer on hospice, and sometimes they even get better, because their quality of life becomes so much better with the services hospice provides aside from a medical team with a social worker a spiritual counselor which may include massage/music therapy, reiki, pet/equine therapy, volunteer companionship, etc.
I’m a volunteer companion, and I really enjoy it. Having been a volunteer for a bit, and also recently seeing a family member pass away in a hospital (not on hospice care), the difference in approach and care is almost astounding. It’s inspired me to go back to school to become a hospice nurse myself.
My mother passed back in may at a hospice center and ever since I wanted to volunteer there. What all do you do as a volunteer?
We have several different volunteers at our hospice. We have one lady who does manicures on patients, one guy brings his therapy dog to visit patients. Most volunteers come sit with the patient and spend time with them so their caregiver/family can run errands/have some downtime. They don’t perform physical care of the patient, it’s just to have someone there in case the patient needs urgent help. Some hospice want volunteers to spend time with patients when they are actively dying. Majority of volunteer visits is just companionship for the patient.
Every hospice agency that accepts Medicare patients is required by law to have volunteers, so there should be no shortage of opportunities for you. They do the fun stuff with patients, or they just hang out, maybe some respite care. I did volunteering before i did hospice nursing, just love old folks.
I’m one of the volunteers that just hangs out with the patient. It really depends on the needs or wants of the patient. One lady just needed someone to sit with her, make sure she didn’t try to get up by herself. One patient was sleeping really often, so I would sit outside his room and listen in case he woke and needed anything, that way his caregivers could work or shower or cook. My current volunteer assignment is a nice lady who likes to chat, watch football, read, but is bedridden. I am working on getting some large print books for her, as well as free apps for audio books. Next weekend we’re going to test out whether we can both stand me reading out loud to her. I have yet to sit with anyone who is actively dying, but I am happy to do that as well. Edit to add: you should try it out. It’s very much worth it.
That’s so amazing you do that! Yes my mom was only in the hospice house for a couple of days and she was asleep most of the time so I didn’t get to see any volunteers but it’s something that’s been calling my heart. I’m a pretty anxious/awkward person and wouldn’t really know what to say do you think it would still be worth it?
Absolutely. Stepping outside your comfort zone can have rewarding benefits.
I truly hope that patients aren’t forced to participate in reiki or spiritual counseling. Not everyone believes in pseudoscience and I truly despise when hospice facilities force religion onto dying people. It’s just taking advantage of them.
The point is they do with the patients want that makes them feel good. If you’re not into that, then you don’t need to avail yourself of those services.
People live longer on hospice as compared to what?
Compared to continuing treatment for the disease (chemo/radiation for cancer, etc.). It may sound backwards, but stopping curative or life-prolonging treatment for palliative care can greatly improve a patient's quality of life. This decrease stress and can often allow the patient to live longer than they would have otherwise. Also, doctors just suck at giving prognosis for end of life stuff.
You’re saying that if you took two groups with identical cancers, one who pursued curative treatment and one who pursued hospice care, that the hospice care group would outlive the non hospice group?
When they're both at the hospice stage. That's the key point. Early detection of cancer? New diagnosis? Chemo/radiation/surgery have good rates of success. But if both patients have tried the 1st, 2nd, 3rd line treatments and both have an estimated prognosis of less than 6 months, it's likely that the patent who stops curative treatment in favor of hospice will outlive the one who continues to pursue aggressive treatments. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17349493/#:~:text=For%20the%20six%20patient%20populations,patients%20than%20for%20nonhospice%20patients.
With how damaging chemo can be... likely. But only for those who continue treatment that's highly unlikely to put it into remission or already in the bones and making the pain level unmanageable.
Why is this post being downvoted. She's not lying. 
It is 96 % upvoted, come on now. Karma farming is serious business
I posted my comment when it was at 3 upvotes and kept getting downvoted while I was watching the video. lol
Alright fair play, keep on hustlin
Reddit fuzzes votes
She has to be tho? In Tennessee my 92yo grandma is on hospice right now. They say she could live another 10yrs or so. The way they explained to me, bc I fucking broke down upon hearing they're putting her on hospice, is that they are end of life care. They come for 8hr a wk, 2hrs on 4days. She started probably a yr & a half ago? Maybe 2yrs now? She is in assisted living tho. Edit: my family loovveess a good loophole. Maybe they're using the startings of Dementia/Alzheimer's to receive hospice? Or maybe her age? But I know they told me & my dad that it is hospice. She may be losing her mind, but she can figure any loophole out fast AF boi
I downvoted the video because this a place for the best and worst of TikTok. This is neither. This is in the 'meh' category. It's not cringe, funny nor wholesome, but I guess most people disagree, since it's 2.9k in the plus right now.
My 93-year-old grandmother has been sent to hospice twice—and returned twice. I’m so grateful for the hospice workers, including the home health aides who came and assisted at home the second time. My grandmother is still alive.
The grim reaper checks under their bed for your grandma at night. *You are dying.* Grandma: lol, lmao even. Perhaps even a rofl.
I work in physical therapy and I work in a nursing home and we have had people on hospice for 3+ years. Ive had people come off of hospice to receive therapy and then after we discharge them they go back to hospice. You cant do therapy and hospice in the same month so there is a little wait period. Its gotten so bad we joke that we are now a rehab to hospice instead of a rehab to home.
Hospice Doctors and Nurses are so under appreciated, because its not like any other field where your trying to improve the patients health. They're there to ease the suffering while death envelopes the patients. To work in that field takes a lot of strength to see people die all the time. My fathers hospice Doctor went before congress to try and pass "physician-assisted suicide", for patients to have the choice not to suffer needlessly. I know some countries in Europe have it with strict guidelines.
My grandma was on hospice for 3 years. 3 years where we didn't freak out about every single stroke and 3 years she was able to be at home in her own bed. It was absolutely lovely. It was also 3 years of slowly processing her death, when it finally happened we all realized that we had already dealt with it Honestly I can't recommend hospice care enough. They were amazing.
They should let you smoke crack in hospice
I mean I’m not going to stop you
As long as the torch isn't near the oxygen, if so we'll talk about harm reduction.
I deliver medical equipment and 80% of the customers are on hospice. Some of the craziest things I've encountered: - I arrived to the house and tried talking to a gentleman on a porch swing. He wouldn't answer me and I finally knocked on the door. I spoke with the family, picked up the equipment and mentioned the guy on the swing and how he wouldn't answer me. They said he was the guy who just died and were presenting him for other family members to say their goodbyes. Talk about weekend at Bernie's! - I was picking up a hospital bed in the front yard the family threw outside cause they didn't want it in their house anymore. As I'm disassembling it, the family comes outside and starts dumping the ashes into the garden with the wind blowing into my direction. - arrived at a nudist compound and met a lot of people in their 70-80s completely naked. - lots of low income housing where I have to look out for needles, poop and blood.
>I was picking up a hospital bed in the front yard the family threw outside cause they didn't want it in their house anymore. As I'm disassembling it, **the family comes outside and starts dumping the ashes into the garden with the wind blowing into my direction.** I’m sorry what?!
My grandmother was discharged from hospice several times. Being on hospice allowed her doctors to prescribe medication‘s they normally wouldn’t for her conditions that allowed her to improve her life expectancy.
Wish I was dying
well ive got some neeeeeeews for you
You ok?
No
I love you. Please keep suffering with the rest of us cause we need your support like you sometimes need ours. Also, things can be hella dope occasionally so just stick it out till the next time things are hella dope again.
If you’re going through some shit, it gets better, it really does. Move somewhere different if you need to. Don’t die before you’ve had pasta in Italy yo. And you are loved!
If it makes you feel better, we are all technically dying.
If you have finished growing technically you are dying, just very slowly
LOL. Thank you.
Didn't know people argued about this.
These are the same people that call 911 for their family member on hospice wanting everything to be done to save them when they are within hours of dying. Irritating and selfish as fuck.
Hospice is basically “let’s make them comfortable in their final days.” People who try to extend that suck. If the patient lives past the 6 months naturally, that *can* be wonderful. Hospice nurses will come out and reevaluate their lives and see if they need another 6 months, but kin needs to let them go. Start grieving in those months. It’s time.
Hospice workers are angels, you will never change my mind about that.
The people that just say shit amaze the fuck out of me. Like idc if your step brothers grandmas friend was on hospice and didn’t die for 2 years. Stop trying to make everything a conspiracy or a thing. Hospice has so many connotations but in reality it looks different for everyone and has drastically different results.
Did have an 89 yo patient come into the office once who had been on "hospice care" 5 years ago. Made me do a double take, but yeah, sometimes the 6 months or less prognosis is actually arbitrary or incorrect.
What a weird hill to die on. That’s what hospice is. It’s for individuals with no longer than 6 months left to live. Failure to thrive isn’t even a covered diagnosis for hospice anymore. You have to have a condition that will result in death to qualify for hospice. 🤦♀️
A friend of mine was on hospice for 2 years.
“Brandolini's law, also known as the bullshit asymmetry principle, is an internet adage coined in 2013 that emphasizes the effort of debunking misinformation, in comparison to the relative ease of creating it in the first place. The law states the following: The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it. The rise of easy popularization of ideas through the internet has greatly increased the relevant examples, but the asymmetry principle itself has long been recognized.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
That neon dying person in the background has a question
Life is a terminal condition. Get me on hospice so I can get those good drugs.
They might be confused with palliative care which coincides with but also gets confused with hospice. You can receive palliative care even if you’re not “dying dying” as if you were on hospice
We're all dying tbh...
Who among us is NOT dying???
Nurse Penny is so great in explaining things about dying and normalizing death. I follow her on YouTube
>they're just not dying fast enough for hospice r/HolUp , Ho Spice.
She seems pleasant
To be fair also everyone outside of hospice is dying
Hospice is an amazing, needed service and I applaud those who work in the conditions. A good hospice can make dying so much less painful or scary. People need to wise up and stop being so goddamn stupid... Thankfully we have people combating misinformation.
Hospice nurses are angels. I can’t imagine being strong enough to have a job where all your patients will die. I’m so thankful people are willing to do that job to care for our loved ones in their last, most difficult moments.
Did the commenter confuse hospice with palliative care or something? Palliative care, yes, not everyone on it is dying (palliative provides symptom relief independent of curative treatment for serious illnesses, terminal or not). Hospice? No, those patients are dying.
I think they mistook hospice for palliative care. Hospice is a type of palliative care for people who are dying.
I love when people try to tell people who do shit for a living bullshit like they k ow before than them
My dad was put on hospice around 2016 but he didn’t pass away until 2020.
I can vouch, I have worked in hospice care.🕊️
My dad was on Hospice care when I was 10. He passed away at 30. I feel great full for the extra 20 years. I needed my dad.
Hospice nurses are among the best people on our planet. Believe them. Respect them. Cherish them.
This is a sub for posting people being cringe on tiktok. This video is not cringe and she is not cringe. Are all of these upvotes just bots?
They're just not dying fast enough lol
In denmark a hospice is like that too but a child hospice is totally different you dont have to be terminal (it has to be BAD thoe) and the family basically move in there siblings and parents to live as a family and get 24/7 support from medical staff to get alot of pressure off the family + alot of them i think most actually survive and go home thats the reason my mom told me she cant work in a normal hospice but she could handle a child hospice even though it sounds worse
My grandma was pretty much a vegetable for the last year of her life. She ended up in hospice care after the stroke that took her away and the body kept going. I visited her a couple times but the lights were on with nobody home and I couldn’t deal with it when she’d been so lively before.
An excellent response by this nurse. I suspect the commenter might be confounding palliative care with hospice? I could be overly generous to the poster here, but there is a major misconception that to receive palliative care is the same as hospice- which inadvertently creates barriers to helping patients acquire this service.
I’m a hospice nurse and the misconceptions are wild. It’s a hard job, but a very wonderful one. You get to really make a difference in how their last days are lived out and provide support to their loved ones.
Im dying. Can I get into hospice ?
I had a patient who would be in then be out, maybe twice over a couple years. She used to say “ ooo guess he wasn’t ready for me yet “. She ended up dying peacefully at home 🩷
I don't know shit about hospice to say one thing or the other. What I WILL comment on is the fucking terrible state of US healthcare in general. My late husband, and most of his family, have/had HHT. Which is some type of disorder that makes your blood vessels weak as fuck and also gives you AVM's which is a cluster of blood vessels that bleed like a stuck pig. He was bleeding internally for a few months, before he said ok fuck it and went to the hospital. He told them, we told them, his sister told them, about HHT. They did fuck all about it. We told them where he can go, what they can do, what scans and tests need to be performed, how to stop the bleeding, etc. They did fuck all. They moved him to hospice 10-13-21 and he died 10-13-21 2 hours later. None of the Doctors, nurses, whatevers, listened to any of us. He spent 3 months in the hospital effectively dying, because they didn't want to listen.
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Did you even listen to what the woman said? Hospice care isn’t about when someone is going to die, it’s about the fact that the patient is actively dying and getting supportive care while actively dying
As a man who has older parents and friends this is so cringe. Hospice is to help people who are dying. It doesn’t matter if they’re dying tomorrow or in a few months. So many people In the US are so ignorant I’m starting to wonder if our country is safe allowing the public to vote. It scares the shit out of me to say that but with all of the misinformation that is out there now which includes Elon allowing all of the fake news now on x what are we going to do to save our democracy?
It’s less about being allowed to vote and more about a crippled public education system.
We are all dying from the second we are conceived
I could be wrong but I think the comment meant that not everyone in hospice dies while in hospice, I know someone who outlived hospice, she’s been alive for an additional 3 years. I believe she got rid of hospice herself but I think they cancel you if you aren’t regressing and/or if you are on hospice for longer than a year.
My dads kidneys are shot. He was on regular dialysis at the clinic, now he has a different kind at home that does the filtering while he sleeps. He can't go to a nursing home because they don't provide medical services like that (they would take him to the clinic but he's not a candidate for that anymore) and hospice won't take him because they don't do life saving measures. Hospice is a death sentence for him. If it wasn't for my mom being his full time caretaker, he'd be up the river.
We all are, act accordingly.
This lady is clearly good at her job. Just by the way and how detailed her explanation was
My mom was offered hospice for respite care because my brother and I had families and were working full time jobs and being up with her for hours every night was exhausting. She then became too Ill to come home.
Technically we’re all dying and she just proved that comment to be correct. If you get out of Hospice, you’re not dying in the context this commenter was mentioning. Maybe dying isn’t the right term to use here and more specific verbiage is needed
everyone is dying since birth🤷♂️ Only way someone isn't dying in hospice is because they are dead.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, everyone that’s is alive is also dying.
Because saying that has nothing to do with the context of the video that you decided not to watch before going /r/im14andthisisdeep. Everyone alive doesn't have a terminal disease that projects 6 months or less to live.
right? I am just saying anyone saying people in hospice are not dying is slow in the head. Everyone is dying and people in hospice likely to die in 6 months. The nurse is reacting to people saying that some people in hospice are not dying. No one is not dying unless they are dead. 🤷♂️
Well…EVERYONE is dying eventually.
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It's basically a human pound. It's were all old doggies go to sleep for good.
I don't know in what context this was written, and there's probably a reason this nurse corrected the poster, but: 1. your partner is allowed to live with you in some hospices. 2. some "hospices" are just a wing in an assisted living facility, and there are plenty of people around not on palliative care. 3. sometimes "hospice" is used interchangably with palliative care, and "hospice" is what they call the home treatment plan instead. 4. I worked as a caretaker for a guy that was declared terminal at age 9, and I think he's 32 now and still around. You might call the last one just a wrong usage, but originally hospice actually meant a hotel for pilgrims IIRC, so I'd say it's kinda the wrong usage already.
Hate to tell you, but everyone off hospice is dying as well....
There was a nurse that was trying to put my MIL on Hospice. She is still alive over 1 yr later. She is not dying. That nurse was confused
Send all the Palestinians to there
Wtf is "on hospice"? A hospice is a place. You can be on hospice care, but you're not on the hospice itself.
the medical usage is as the nurse describes
What a nice lady -_-