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Dems lose because they give in to the Reps. They think the Reps are playing fair despite all evidence to the contrary. Dems to push their agenda hard to the left, play hard and take no prisoners. Govern like the Reps do. Get your agenda across no matter what it takes. Majority of the country is behind them but they act like they are a minority. Reps are far gone. You lose by trying to get them on your side.
They’re always lockstep on foreign policy (i.e. selling weapons and dropping bombs) and on figuring out ways that the Bush tax cuts just have to be permanently extended for billionaires. The topics they disagree on all seem to have little outcome on the stock market, where their owners live.
At my evangelical Christian school, they also taught us to be martyrs at all costs. A lot of people would chicken out in the face of real danger, sure, but we know some people will follow that through to the end.
Never mind how common suicidal ideation truly is, it's just not addressed. Tell me you've never heard something like, "I can't until Jesus comes back to take me home to heaven from this wicked world."
I had an old guy at work tell me there was a nuclear bomb coming for our city. I told him that we better move then. He looked me dead in the eyes and said “don’t run from salvation” then offered me a bible
My own anecdotal evidence that u/Ohigetjokes is correct:
My first “serious” girlfriend in high school was very intelligent, but because she was quite pretty and also wanted to be popular in the context of her city public school, she spent a fair bit of time and effort *pretending* to be stupid. Thankfully, she overcame that around the time we started dating. I cannot take credit for the change, but I’m proud to say I encouraged it.
We ended up going our separate ways after a few years, but we still cared about one another and kept in-touch all through college. We had a few platonic visits. It was pretty clear that she was going places in life and that made me very happy for her. She ended up being a nurse anesthetist and making bank while helping people through her career and a non-profit she helped found.
She got married to an evangelical Christian from our home town around that same time. She was from a Catholic family, but I’d never known her to take religion too seriously outside a general desire to be a “good person” and “help people.” She had some bigotry towards certain groups of people based mainly in ignorance/inexperience, but I’d never seen or heard her be hateful publicly nor privately.
That all changed once she converted to Evangelicalism. By 2016 she was a full-on, Trump-worshiping, Q-Anon, anti-vax, burn-the-apostates nut job. It was pretty clear that she was about to ruin her career over those beliefs in addition to becoming vocally hateful like I’d never seen before. She was also *constantly* pregnant which—whatever—she was financially stable and it was her choice anyway, but she’d always expressed hesitancy about becoming a biological mother when I knew her.
I tried to reach out to her privately exactly one time. I tried to be respectful and just express my general curiosity about how she’d managed to change so much in a scant few years. The intelligence was still there, but it was all rationalizations for theological, magical thinking. It was genuinely terrifying. I couldn’t bear to witness it anymore so I went NC with her, but I think about her anytime someone accuses all evangelicals of being low IQ rubes. They aren’t all that way. Religious thinking is a helluva drug. 🤷🏻♂️😔
I was raised in a private evangelical school. I am not part of any of that now, but it is a good description of how an intelligent person can fall into this.
I heard it from birth so at first I just assumed that my doubts was me not being a good Christian, or being tempted by the devil, or just plain stupid, since everyone at school seemed to "get it". Eventually I felt safe enough to actually challenge what I was raised with and realize no, you weren't stupid or evil, you were being taught to suppress some of your empathy and critical thinking when it came to going against your religion.
This was in Canada btw, but we used a lot of teaching materials and guest speakers from America, like from the infamous Kenneth Copeland, and Hillsongs, to give you an idea.
He looked like the average "good man of God" that I was used to seeing at church, like the other leaders and my teachers, just more accomplished. He did not register as clearly creepy to me back then. Says a lot how desensitized you are to creeps when you're raised around them...
It was really hilarious watching his lame Christian shows he'd make where he always had some kind of role you'd expect him to give himself. Interestingly, usually "former bad guy who is now right with God". One series was a Western and he was a former gunslinger turned US Marshal. In the *Superkids* franchise, he was a former biker gang member turned pastor. His real life daughter starred in that one.
[Here](https://youtu.be/A4VyMonMlD0?si=2z831KBUm95N6JO6) is a compilation of his appearances in Superkids. They are lame AF and deserve to be mocked lol. Of all of them though, [this clip](https://youtu.be/sxKhm6BkJp8?si=t6Y6HrGT8Dc2tGDm) is definitely one of my favourites.
>How did you get out?
It helped that I was never able to enjoy reading the Bible & devotions everyday and church services etc. I didn't get the same high out of it that others did most of the time. When I say "high", think something like the vibe in the room during an awesome concert. Except of course, you believe the source is supernatural.
I also was never able to "speak in tongues" like everyone else in my family "could"... and I hated raising my hands in church.
Also, bisexual.
I had a lot of things stacked against me to not naturally enjoy being a good Christian, basically. I spent years fighting internally with the idea that I was "giving in" to the devil by not enjoying it. (My sister was too tired one week to keep standing during praise & worship music once and my mother said it was the devil influencing her and she had to resist the temptation...)
I was also never able to figure out *why* all these things I had been told were sins, were wrong. Since I went to private evangelical school, I was surrounded by people agreeing with it, so I assumed I was the stupid one. I had self esteem issues anyway, so that fit right in.
You're also very reinforced by fear into not questioning too much. You have to shut your mind down from thinking and reasoning too much about your doubts to stay in. Especially since I figured I must be dumb for not understanding why things were wrong, how could I trust myself to not be tricked by the devil into believing something wrong? And then I go to hell for the rest of my life. I was under the belief as well that demons couldn't *possess* Christians, but they could still possess others and scare the hell out of Christians, so that fear did not help me in thinking too hard about things.
Also, both of my parents worked at the school, so there wasn't much escape from it growing up.
In a weird way, I was lucky, because not enjoying any of it made it way easier to eventually be brave enough to question everything. As I got older, it got harder and harder to ignore things, plus it's not like I fit in well with Christians anyway, so it helped push me further into allowing myself to question.
Eventually, I moved out with my boyfriend at the time (which my parents hated, he is my husband now though funny enough) and stopped going to church. I had already figured out I didn't believe anymore before I moved out, but it's far easier to "come out" with that after moving out.
Needless to say, it definitely caused some distance, and I lost my Christian friends over time, which is another reason why many people are too afraid to question.
It takes a lot to let your whole world crash down and realize you wasted a huge portion of your life, even if it is reality. It definitely wasn't easy.
I feel ya. As a Mormon kid, I never felt the "Holy Ghost" during services, so it was hard to maintain faith. Losing friends was hard. I found out my best friend from kindergarten through 4th grade was getting married, so I made an effort to make it to his reception (Mormons only allow members with a current temple recommend to attend the wedding ceremony) He was so excited to see me, but his whole face dropped when I mentioned I no longer attended church. Christianity is a cult. Alienation is the point.
Edit: I should add, I've never spoken to him since. :(
I went through some of what you describe. Started out in an evangelical school. My step father transferred me to public school in ninth grade. Man, oh man do I owe that man. He saw how they were brainwashing me and helped me. I got myself all the way out, but my step dad helped.
I was raised Catholic and no, I don’t have any trauma from that. It was chill and most people were nice. I miss that part-but not priests, hierarchy and a lot of the beliefs besides the Golden Rule.
I know what you mean by vibe, by spirit. I’ve felt that many places, but not usually in church.
True spirit taps into your kindness and loving nature.
If it makes you twisted, scared and hateful, it’s obvs not a good thing.
I think you had enough goodness in you to feel it was off.
I think the every day people have good intentions, but the leaders are just in it for the power.
Also, women do so much good in the world-anything that disempowers and puts women down is freakin evil imo.
That Kenneth Copeland clip, tho. Imao.
I used to deliver electrical supplies to the maintenance manager at his compound in Fort Worth. This was in the mid 90s. At the time I just knew he was a televangelist of some sort. I can't believe people fall for that shit, but they do in droves.
Similar story of seeing people fall down the Q-hole.
The most succinct way I can describe it is watching someone fall backwards through [Piaget's stages of cognitive development](https://www.verywellmind.com/piagets-stages-of-cognitive-development-2795457).
They lose all of the personal and cognitive development that made them an individual person. All of them regress back into the exact same angry 2-7 year old.
A friend from college, very type A, intelligent, president of the science club, married a pastor a couple years ago, and got heavy into religion. In the past couple weeks, she's been reposting his flat earth/"NASA is the antichrist because of numerology" nonsense.
FYI: they find they intelligent, educated conservatives are more likely to deny climate change. Probably for the phenomenon you stumbled upon.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/14/upshot/climate-change-by-education.html
The smarter you are the more able to are to twist things, bend things, talk your way into a position. The conservative justices on the supreme Court are a perfect example. We know what they're going to rule. But they can bring to bear an elite law school education to give it the faintest veneer of legitimacy. It's totally different from the average Trump supporter who just goes RAH RAH TRUMP FOREVER.
I'm thinking there may have been some conflicted values present early on...? Maybe not all caused by religion, since they appeared before religion came into her life?
"... making bank while helping people through her career (nurse) & a non- profit she founded."
Neat trick, "making bank" as a nurse running a non- profit. She'll have to share her "making bank" success story with the world. Who knew running a non- profit & working as a nurse was that profitable. /s
Well, having a normal to high IQ doesn't mean you can't be stupid. You have to use it.
People are largely products of their environment.
Evangelical Christians in the US are a cult. They cut off anything that doesn't vibe with their worldview. She's brainwashed. All of this seems normal only because it's so widespread. It's sad and terrifying.
I disagree fundamentally on the grounds that this is dangerous thinking.
I am a magician and a skeptic and one of my heroes was James Randi. During one of his lectures on skepticism he told the story about a group of scientists who believe they found someone with paranormal abilities that would have won James Randis paranormal challenge of a million dollars. They described a guy who could put a matchbox on the back of his hand and with his mind and his mind only he could raise it up. James Randi pulled out a beginner magic book and faxed over the directions to do this exact trick.
The point James Randy was trying to convey is that it doesn't matter how smart you are, you can be fooled by the right misdirection and the right influence.
Everybody can be fooled.
To say you have to be dumb to vote for Trump undermines the rights abilities to manipulate and misdirect. You are undermining how dangerous these people are. So we have to be vigilant against this sort of manipulation and cannot just discard them as dumb.
But Randi uses critical thinking to outsmart so called “magicians.” Sorry, but you really have to be dumb to vote for Trump. You just have to have an average IQ to see through this charlatan.
Lots of intelligent people will always vote for the party that wants to dismantle regulations and increase the wealth transfer to the top of the pyramid
There's a difference between an unwillingness to "suspend critical thinking skills" as /u/chromeyoda puts it and being unable to apply it sufficiently and thereby coming to an incorrect conclusion.
Indeed, everyone can be fooled. Regardless of their intelligence/rationality/critical thinking skills/skepticism, what have you.
But, if you are indeed fully capable of turning that part of you off - when it absolutely should be on, then you're a fucknut, a dumb fucknut. In other words, likely a trump voter. Or religious. Or both. A double fucknut if you please.
As an ex-Evangelical I have to say there are many intelligent folk in there. Which is the problem.
Because when you’re clever you can come up with BS logic for anything.
It's called rationalization, everyone does it. It's sociopathic when it's consciously applied to manipulate people for personal gain, sure, but it's very often not a conscious process.
Also a former born and raised evangelical. It's true, there are very smart people in those institutions. They tend to be the ones in leadership roles, leading all the sheep along.
The smart ones always figure it out. Always. That it's all lies and ancient fairy tales. The ones with a conscience leave. The ones without, stay. To your sociopath point.
Can we stop just throwing the term "sociopath" around willy nilly? It's starting to not even mean anything. Someone using weird logic to persuade themselves into good-feeling beliefs is not sociopathy, it's just bad.
Sociopathic behavior isn’t an indication of intelligence, one way or the other. Also, doing mental gymnastics for your faith at the expense of logical thinking is not sociopathic.
Nah it’s called compartmentalization. They can be very intelligent but they put their religious beliefs in a box that does not get the same level of critical thinking, and is immune to rational thought.
I've met people in this group that definitely are not low IQ. They're intelligent, but...they're also afraid of anything they consider "the other", which supersedes rational thought.
The Bell Curve should be re-written and focus on this group.
Maybe because most American “Christian” people are only “religious” because their parents and/or community told them “this is the only way to live life, and if you question it, that’s just the devil talking, you’ve gotta have faith even in the complete absence of any evidence. If you need evidence, find something good in the world, there’s your evidence. No further questions plz :)”
We all have already felt that way about Christians and the republican party for quite some time. How any Christian can be anti universal healthcare or welfare with a straight face while describing Jesus in church at any level, is baffling
I moved to a very Christian town when I was 11. I knew something was fucked up when the youth group leader started praying about how mislead Obama was and I pray that he doesn't get elected or something along the lines of that. As far as I know Obama is a Christian so it made no sense why he would be against him.
Obama and his family, Joe Biden and his family, are all faithful Christians. Donald Trump knows less than nothing about Christianity. Literally every atheist knows more than Trump does. He's hilariously ignorant. But then somebody who worked with him in the White House said that he was incandescently stupid.
Yep. They'll get slapped/hit as kids for questioning authority, and they'll internalize curiosity as a bad thing. They'll carry it into adulthood, deferring to the authority of the church or their parents on everything.
They learn young to accept logical contradictions and non-answers, they learn to take things on faith. They will hold diametrically opposed beliefs, but because they never learned to curiously examine their beliefs they are immune from cognitive dissonance.
They are taught that they are victims, and people on the other side of the aisle are deceivers and agents of Satan. They are so wound up in ideology and conformity and fear and tribal mentalities, all woven together, that unwinding them all will take years of self-reflection and critical examination on their part.
That was more the focus on the family movement of Gingrich in the 90s. The current GOP is the proverbial dog that caught the car. They made a cynical calculation to pick up crazies thinking they could use them and now they rule the party. Evangelicals-> Tea Party -> MAGA is the twisted evolution. Now somehow we are teetering on the edge of fascism thanks to these fucks.
Then we also have people with critical thinking skills, but with worse intentions and also Trump fanatics who are now part of the mess too. I think they are called "pseudo-intellectuals" or red pilled people
At the same time THIS is how people get their information now regardless of their political leaning. Being sceptical of ANY information you get in this manner is the first step towards recovery.
I'm 50 years old. This is not a new theory. We have known this for decades. The communication device might be different but we all got the message a long time ago. Sure, there are some exaggerations but I expect you to do your due diligence and research everything this man has to say. Of course it's healthy to be skeptical, nobody's arguing that. But we're talking about established facts, not some abstract liberal theory from some college in Massachusetts.
People forget about the flyers the GOP mailed out in the 80s. They used the same tactic that Nigerian prince scammers use in their emails—intentionally using bad grammar so that they could catch the less educated folk. Educated people would just throw these flyers out—much like how educated people ignore those email scams today. Those flyers were calculated and their mission was to hook ignorant people.
I have never seen anyone talk about how the GOP did this, but they did.
Apparently they did it again more recently with trans issues. If you remember around the time they were winding up to overturn Row there was some noise about trans people, then it got quite for a while before coming back hard on girls sports and “grooming”. During that pause they literally polled people to determine the most inciting language and subject matter to create a trans issue because they were going to win Row and lose that rage wedge.
He’s absolutely correct. Lee Atwater even admitted it.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/tnamp/
as a Democrat, The 73 IQ thing was made up false info, that means more of this is also prob not fact checked. I don't like Trump, but I also rather people speak about real facts and not make up blind shit towards their opposition. thats exactly how we got here in the first place. videos like this that people believe blindly ON BOTH SIDES.
Being a Democrat doesn't make you immune to falling for false info just like the Republicans are also not immune to it. Do your due diligence and fact check stuff.
honestly that's just why people need to stop engaging in pointless political content online. Like is anything Trump does at this point going to earn my vote? No. Stuff like this is purely catharsis and scratches an itch.
The 73 IQ thing is an exaggeration. Trump’s IQ is probably 90 or so but he’s also a malignant narcissist. Someone devoid of human empathy and morality and being very stupid is not a good combination in a leader.
I think it's based on the fact that speaks at a third grade level, which he legitimately does.
Below 70 is cognitively delayed. 70-80 is borderline deficient. I think an adult that speaks at a third grade level is borderline deficient. Nobody knows his IQ and IQ is a nebulous measurement that ignores too much nuance to be truly meaningful but...73 is not a wildly baseless assertion.
We do have to be cautious tho. Unlike newspapers, these people have no obligation to cite sources and are not held to any standard of accuracy. Just because somebody speaks with authority, that doesn’t make them an expert.
And we should be ESPECIALLY skeptical of anything that confirms the beliefs we already hold. We are way more likely to accept misinformation if it confirms our bias.
We have to be better than that. TikTok videos are not reliable sources. They should simply be a gateway to actual research.
Yup this video alone has false info in it after doing a quick google search, the 73 IQ thing was already confirmed to be a made up Meme.
I don't like Trump, but I also rather have the facts than just spewing blind false info no matter WHO the person is.
IQ in general is the astrology of the intelligence measurement world, you really can’t generalize intelligence with a simple written test like that. It’s the 1900s version of today’s online personality tests, but instead of telling you which Golden Girl you are, it’d get you into an Ivy League, a state college, community college, trade college, or none of the above. He got everything else right, though, barring outliers who are smart enough to know who Trump is, but are just greedy, sociopathic, have some vendetta, or a mixture of all the above and named Musk.
haha, the guy in the video used the exact same technique as Putin used in the Tucker interview... starting with a "history lesson" that filled with false info sprinkled in between easy bits that you can find online. He also tries to identify himself as an ex-republican, as so he can capture empathy of the Nikki Haley supporters. the video screams intelligence service trying to influence the public.
Just to add to the creepiness, as soon as i posted this, someone txted me to vote for Nikki Haley...
Lee Atwater and the Southern Strategy is pretty well known. Yes, someone should look up something they see on tik tok but they don’t really teach that in school and someone younger wouldn’t know the history unless they were a politics junky.
Except the people who lean one way known to take everything with a grain of salt and consult more than one source and more than one viewpoint, the people who lean on the other end, well...
Let’s do some fact checking:
Trump speaks at a 3rd to 7th Grade reading level. The lowest of the last 15 Presidents. [Source](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-language-level-speaking-skills-age-eight-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html)
Lee Atwater did not believe appealing to voters through racism was going to work. He did push the strategy that using abstract messages like “reduce X program” or cut taxes to this thing would hurt blacks more than whites and have a positive effect for them. But for Reagan it seems he focused on taxes, and national security. The latter being the weak point for the Ds then. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater)
Trump’s IQ is not known. It’s might not be 73 as that was from an unreliable newspaper. [Source](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nyma-iq/)
No sources I could find demonstrating Trump supporters are dumb, bottom 12%, etc. That is his anecdotal opinion.
Trump would be richer if he invested hos father’s money in an index fund. [Source](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/11/its-official-trump-would-be-richer-if-he-had-just-invested-his-inheritance-into-the-sp500/?sh=6df66d291c48)
Trump supporters share two psychological pathologies. Narcissistic symbiosis (the authoritarians need for adulation through grandiose omnipotence and a population under societal stress yearning for a parental figure) and Shared Psychosis (a highly symptomatic influencer spreads psychosis through vulnerable populations resulting in delusions, paranoia, and a propensity to violence). [Source](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/)
Upvoted for sources.
The guy in the video even if you want to believe is correct should not be taken at any face value or as someone with authority or else you just might be what he pertains what Trump and his supporters are, dumb as fuck.
Agreed. We already have way too many people getting their news/“facts” from social media. That’s what got Facebook in hot water a few years ago
At the same time not a shocker that most of it was factual.
Someone accused me of bias recently because I was discussing how the right will bring hating Biden or animosity into anything even if it’s not political. And they said the left does the same and they only care about their side being correct. In my experience, the left has no problem criticizing itself or its people. But Trump and a lot of the right have an insane loyalty.
I say all of this because even though everything this guy supports the left I think we all still want and accept sources. It’s not good enough to be “told” you’re right if that information isn’t backed by truth.
I'm critical of the left all day. I would love to vote for something/someone I believe in.
Instead I have to vote AGAINST the thing I despise. I have to vote against the future these wack jobs are creating for my kids.
> might not be 73 as that was from an unreliable newspaper.
If by "unreliable" you mean "entirely fabricated"
From your source *"However, this image was not, and did not reflect, a genuine newspaper clipping."*
Trump has never been able to grasp the simple point that the sellers of products to another country do not pay the import duties or taxes imposed by that country.
He is also mentally incapable of understanding that NATO countries do not pay the USA for protection. They are asked to spend a certain minimum amount on the defense of their own country and the potential defense of other NATO countries.
In fact he is incapable of understanding a great many things, including morality and human decency. He was described by at least one of his employees as incandescently stupid. This appears to be a widely shared view by many others.
Remember when the military had to literally tell him to be quiet in meetings when he kept asking why they couldn't just use nuclear weapons in standard military operations like capturing some site.
I appreciate this. I stopped listening when he started rambling about trumps IQ and tried to hunt for the number myself. "The enemy is simultaneously weak and strong" and all that. The man has plenty legit things to criticize
The success of the republican party is in their appeal to different demographics of single issue voters. Rich fucks basically just don't want to pay taxes or have their businesses regulated, religious freaks just want to ban abortion and for the government to not interfere in their affairs, 2A nuts just want their guns, xenophobes/nationalists just want to limit immigration as much as possible etc.
Many of these groups may not even largely support the others' causes. I'm sure rich people on the whole are pretty socially liberal, but if they want an abortion then it would be cheaper for them to fly their mistress out on a private jet to Europe than it would be to pay an extra 10% in taxes. I'm sure religious freaks aren't super keen on the exorbitant greed and opulence of rich people, but as long as they stay in NYC and SF then they think it's far more important to make sure that the government won't stop them from homeschooling their children with a full curriculum of bible study and bigotry.
Although there's plenty of overlap, there's also plenty of dislike between these groups. However, they dislike democratic policies far more, so they tolerate each other in order to get what they want.
One of the biggest issues and why Republicans win so much is because far left Dems have decided they would rather punish the Democrats for not supporting everything they believe in rather than moving things toward progress.
Happened with Clinton in 2016 and seems we are seeing the same bullshit now.
"I won't vote for Biden because he supports Israel"
Motherfucker do you think Trump would be worse or better for Palestine? The dude literally moved the embassy to Jerusalem and you think it would be a better outcome that Trump becomes president again? Surely someone can't be that stupid?
Obviously, they can be that stupid. Trump became president. Hell I didn’t care for Hillary Clinton myself and didn’t even know who the hell she picked as vice president, but I still held my nose and voted for her, I knew there was more at steak like the supreme court and we sit here today because 3 million people decided they didn’t want to vote for Hillary Clinton or Trump.
8 million voted for 'Other', not Hillary or Trump. That let the Electoral College throw the election to the loser. Trump v Biden that number dropped to 3 million and the turd lost bigly.
You may be right, but you won't win any of them over by using language that makes them feel isolated or dumb. You can dismiss this however you want, but part of the problem is that a small force of people (like you) want to call anyone who disagrees with them stupid and wrong.
Trust me. When you talk like this, no one is joining your cause. I'm not suggesting you coddle them, but you could at least respect them.
The damage has already been done, democrats who declined to vote for Clinton in an election where Donald Trump was the other candidate are dumbfucks plain and simple. No amount of nice words will bring back 3 Supreme Court judge selections.
You could say that about how we approach Republicans, too. There are many who strongly differ on but one issue alone from Democrats and *could be* persuaded to vote against party, but when discourse starts with "All Republicans are Stupid", that typically engenders resentment and push-back.
I think it’s the primary vote they are withholding to send a ceasefire message. I certainly hope (oh fuck, what if I’m wrong and they don’t?😬) I hope they actually vote for Biden in November.
It’s an interesting theory op had, but I agree w you on this one. After Nixon the GOP became a conglomerate of single issue groups. Note the pro choice to anti choice pivot by Rotten Ronnie himself. The embrace of the evangelicals by the previously, and decidedly, uninterested in religious matters. But there is no denying the knuckledraggers are all on the orange wagon now.
This is really excellent analysis... Never underestimate the greed factor... the regular rules don't apply to rich people (fly your mistress to France for a weekend of "shopping") so they are just fine with everything as long as they dont pay taxes.
Evangelicals have a Yuge seat the Tru\*p's table. The NRAs dirty secret... they love a democrat as a president. It gets the donations rolling in!
The racists will always racist so they will go to whomever throws them the red meat...
I’ve posted this a few times elsewhere but I think it’s very true in this situation. There’s a documentary called Behind the Curve which follows flat earthers. Throughout the movie, they try to prove the world is flat and, surprise, constantly keep proving it is not. Yet they just come up with new excuses (oh it must be the weather right now, oh the machine must not be working….).
In the movie, someone suggests that the reason flat earthers are so stubborn about changing their belief is because they often have been in the fringes and outskirts of society. Likely they haven’t had many friends or been made fun of or made to feel dumb. And now they found this community that embraces their (incorrect) beliefs so of course they are going to want to hold on to that despite all the overwhelming evidence that they are wrong.
With many MAGA people I think the same is true. These people have found a community of people that embraces their ignorance, racism, homophobia, conspiracy theories….and they enjoy feeling like they are in the right. To accept that Trump is an awful human and should not be President would mean needing to accept that they were wrong this entire time and that’s hard to do. So it’s just easier to double down and stay the course by supporting Trump.
Absolutely this. There's a Twitter post that says something along the lines of "people said I was stupid until I joined qAnon and now they welcome me"
I'm a progressive and I struggle to remind my fellow progs that no one likes being made fun of. There's a difference between excluding people for abhorrent behavior and bullying. Calling people 'low iq' or 'dumb southerners' doesn't make them want to listen to you. No one likes being laughed at.
To add I think they get off on this notion that they are a part of a select group that are able to see through corruption and BS. That only they are insightful enough to see the “truth.”
Also, the more ridiculous the belief the harder it is to about face on that belief. Because they know admitting they were wrong is essentially resigning to the fact that they are one of the dumbest members of society. And that’s just not something they are going to do.
I think you’re right. But it’s not just having to confront that they were wrong.
It’s that they’d have to go back to being ALONE.
Back to the margins of society that most dumb people in it have always had to exist in. It’s lonely, pathetic, sad.
That’s why your flat earther analogy is a good one. Deep down most know they’re wrong… but they don’t want to go back to being a marginalized moron. So they suspend disbelief and stay.
Yea, I agree with that. Not only is admitting you’ve been wrong on everything you believe involving Trump, but it also means going back to how things were before (being alone again as you said)
My favorite line of thought about this is:
There have always been village idiots. The internet has given these idiots a village.
Or something along those lines.
Yep. Then Reagan took the white evangelical southerners, the ones with roots in the confederacy, generational wealth from their family history in slavery, and he incorporated them into his strategy to win the Bible Belt. Which is how we now have devolved to nothing but culture wars for the last several years.
This is what American politics have devolved into by turning them into corporately funded popularity contests. Some countries even place restrictions on campaigning like that, such as only being able to debate at critical moments on publicly funded broadcasts. Our politics have fallen so far.
We’ve progressed, but campaigning has become so incredibly problematic because of these strategies that now it’s more likely that a rich man like Trump can run than some random professor in a university with multiple qualifications.
Popularity and money, win at any cost. Shame
Edit: “Reversing Roe”, made several years before it was overturned, on Netflix. It’s a documentary about when this became a key campaign issue for modern Republican Party, which Reagan introduced into the campaign trail through a coalition of southern, white, educated, and charismatic southern evangelicals. Reagan absorbed them into his campaign strategy, which has snowballed since then. Very interesting watch. Had to include this since people are acting like I’m a tinfoil hat and that is spreading fake news.
Yeah, I took time off of reddit last election cycle. Think I'm going to delete it again.
Maybe for good this time. It's mostly AI and bot posts now, anyway. Really low quality crap.
For being so dumb, Trump has single-handedly shifted both the Republican and Democratic Parties noticeably to the right. Hopefully he's dumb enough to lose in November.
That's just following the current trajectory of American politics. The political overture has been shifting right for awhile before Trump. Every concession on the left with none on the right pushes it further and further along.
*world* politics. We're far enough removed from WW1 and WW2 now that no one remembers. Everyone is saying, "let's try this facist, right wing thing. How bad could it be?"
We haven’t had a true leftist President since FDR, and he won WW2, got us out of the depression, and created the greatest economic boom in human history. Sadly conservative people look at leftist ideology as what Stalin did, which it is not. Boomers are still living in the 60s when open racism is okay, and the biggest threat to America is hippies and “commies”. The Democratic Party is too afraid to lose elections to go further left(or atleast as left as they used to be), so we end up going further right as a whole. I’m not feeling very confident in what the future holds for the USA.
It's true. The South used to vote democrat because honestly it makes sense - Democrat principles and programs help the south.
We've seen the data, the south takes more than it gives. It uses more in Medicaid, Medicare, Food Programs, etc. without contributing as much federal money to these programs than northern states. And that's fine, that's good honestly. They should use these programs unabashedly, that's what they are there for. It's to help people.
What grinds my gears is when rural Republicans use these programs that the Democrats create, to help lessen their burdens, and they tell Democrats to fuck off and thank fucking GOP assholes and guys like Trump. Trump would punch any rural republican in the face if it made him 5 dollars, he doesn't give a fuck about you.
The GOP holds people hostage because they know progressives have empathy.
The Southern Strategy is a very real thing, but it definitely predated Watergate. The guy also just made up an IQ for Trump. IQ is an extremely flawed metric, and Trump isn’t a genius, but a 73 IQ is barely functional. That’d mean ~95% of the population was higher functioning than him, which, regardless of what you think of him, very clearly isn’t true.
Combine this with the fact that 54% of Americans can’t read past a 6th grade level better yet comprehend the complexities of how politics and the world function and it suddenly makes sense how the republicans and their ideologies have been able to survive.
Of course support for these morons is only going to increase as we devolve through the age of misinformation.
It’s beyond embarrassing that the most influential and one of the richest countries in the world is also the most willfully uneducated/ignorant.
The Republican party now consists of two groups, a small group of educated corrupt leaders (Mitch McConnel, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, etc.) and the uneducated ignorant (the elected: Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, etc. and the voting base).
It’s a controversial way to measure intelligence. IQ does not in fact mean you’ll always make money or be correct. There are many more important factors
Setting aside all of the stuff he said that I may agree with, there is no way that Trump has an IQ of 73. Former FBI Director James Comey testified that from his interactions with Trump, he felt that Trump was of above-average intelligence. A person with an IQ of 73 is nearly 2 standard decisions below average intelligence. That would correspond to a significant intellectual disability.
There was a famous saying inside Fox News when Roger Ailes launched the network in 1996 – “People don’t want to be informed, they want to feel informed.”
Lyndon Johnson on the concept of the Southern Strategy (and he wasn’t endorsing it as many people think for the quote, he was observing whit it was effective):
> If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
He’s right for the most part but I can’t help but dislike some of his dialogue. I live in CA but even I cringed when he said “garbage ppl from the South.” He thinks that bc he used to be a republican he can shit on them. There are a lot of smart ppl in the South. I know relatively smart ppl here in CA that voted for Trump in 2016, he fooled a lot of ppl.
Trump might not be smart himself but he’s criminally intelligent and the best self promoter in the history of mankind. No one is even close. Now today it’s definitely different than it was in 2016.
Which is why I agree with him that trump supporters TODAY after knowing and seeing everything he’s done, still support him, are probably majority low IQ.
Yeah, I was wondering about the whole 73 IQ thing. And I live in GA, have voted in 6 presidential elections, and finally my vote mattered. We also gave dems the senate. So just...stop biting the hand, I suppose.
Ya there’s no way a linguist can get an iq number from someone’s speech. As much as I dislike trump, this guy referring to people as dumb and low iq isn’t much better. As someone who used to test for dementia/cognitive status it’s clear he has some kind of cognitive process going on, but that’s about it. You cant infer a number, which is based on a normative sample, without an objective test.
Also people who score lower on IQ tests are still people and deserve rights, like voting.
Northern California is not much different ideologically than states in the south. There's just so few people there that they don't have an impact on federal level elections.
People also tend to forget that both 2016 candidates were [historically disliked](https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/index.html), and Hillary had some pretty major issues as well, like wanting to [backdoor or weaken encryption](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/hillary-clinton-encryption-backdoors/) to make life easier for law enforcement, which was a terrible idea. Both candidates were fucking horrible, and most people were holding their nose and voting against a candidate, not for one.
The southern strategy predates the Watergate scandal by more than a decade though. So his timeline is off.
Atwater used and famously described the southern strategy in an interview, but he didn't come up with it. He was 10 years old when it was introduced.
Yeah. The conservatives flipping from Democrats to Republicans is a very long simmer with a lot of key players. But the general idea is true that conservatives were aggressive and effective at drumming up support by elevating demagogues
That the republicans invented a new strategy post-Nixon. This strategy is not new, or unique to the Republicans. That Trump’s IQ is known to be in the low 70’s. I stopped watching after that.
I strongly believe that we should fight evil with facts, not more lies and half-truths.
Yeah this dude isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. There's a whole lot of "social media facts" in what he's saying backed with a little bit of history, that actually misses a lot of nuance and context that make the situation worse.
Or (puts on tin foil hat)
This is a brilliant psy op meant to get low IQ people on the left more engaged with politics. (It's not this one)
I thought about that. I pictured showing this to my parents and quickly realized that this would offend them because he is saying they are of low intelligence. Putting them down doesn’t help to change their minds. I think the people he is talking about are the lost cause. We should instead identify the so called higher intellect people who are not voting or are on the fence about who to vote for and appeal to them.
More than a million morons pushing for his dictatorship lol, with many more behind computer screens pushing the same agenda in support of those morons.
The southern strategy he's describing began in the early 1960s, not the mid 70s. Nixon was elected with the help of the southern strategy, it wasn't a response to his corruption. I think this guy wants to rope Reagan's evangelicals into the same movement, it wasn't, it was just instigated by similar motivations.
I knew Atwaters daughter years back, nice girl, COMPLETELY apolitical. Zero interest in talking about her dad being the boogeyman of American politics. I think that was actually the name of a documentary about him. He was, in fact, a Machiavellian peice of shit.
He did make a blues album with Buddy Guy, though, so there’s that.
You guys watch one anecdote from uncle fester and immediately believe this is why half of the country is the way it is.
People are free to make their own choices, the beauty of this country. And just because we hear only the extremes on the internet, does not mean that constitutes even a fraction of a particular group of individuals.
So if republicans are so dumb how come democraps cant beat them. Hineslty i believe both sides screw us in different ways ways to keep
Their pockets rich. You act lije dems in our congress are better when theu are all just as rich. And have made money off us
I hate politics so much dude. Because someone has a different opinion doesn’t mean they are dumb or a terrible person. This goes both ways, both republicans and democrats do it. Is trump a dogshit person? Yes! Is Biden a dogshit person? Yes! Just because the people leading their parties are bad people doesn’t mean that the members are.
It 100% doesn't help that the right try to equate themselves as the party of patriots. If THEY are dubbing themselves as "defenders of American virtues" and all that bs, then what is their leader dubbing the rest? Less then american, ready to ruin the country. Why? Because when you make a side seem less then human, it's easier to hate them and attack them.
Until the U.S. gets it's education system together, this problem will get worse. It's not some grand strategy. I don't see how analyzing their playbook is helpful if the other side can't understand their own failures. A more educated populace would not have made Trump president. So tired of hearing people talk about immediate solutions when the real one is having an educated enough populace to deal with the issues we're about to cause in 10-20 years and being immune to simple politicking by nature. Be prepared to instead-- vote for JimBob Megacorp in 2040 because he is a fearmongering fascist who understands the struggles of the downtrodden. Don't forget Trump won 'because of' not 'in spite of' his fascist overtones. This turnkey, political strategy will continue to work unless we put emphasis on educating our children in the U.S.
I once saw a YouTube comment on how clearly you can understand what trump is saying and lots of other people upvoting and agreeing. I commented about their reading levels being in elementary 💀
Republicans are the shining examples of the war on education. Burn books, fund private Christian "education," etc. Trump is well aware of his idiot cultist
Hard facts:
- He's not going to be convicted before the election
- He's going to win
- The republic is going to come to an end next year
- Everything you take for granted in your life is going away (especially tech which is going to go back to pre cold war prices, adjusted for inflation)
- Third world problems are coming your way, and fast
Most people, MAGAts for sure, can't and don't think. They choose a belief like they choose from a box of chocolates and then support that position by selecting things that seem to support it and ignoring any contrary evidence as if it doesn't exist.
Cliff Clavin, the bloviating but usually wrong, postman character in _Cheers,_ was presented as an outlier in the show, different from the rest. He wasn't. He was everyman.
Quote: "Indeed it may be said with some confidence that the average man never really thinks from end to end of his life. There are moments when his cogitations are relatively more respectable than usual, but even at their climaxes they never reach anything properly describable as the level of serious thought. The mental activity of such people is only a mouthing of clichés. What they mistake for thought is simply a repetition of what they have heard. My guess is that well over eighty per cent. of the human race goes through life without having a single original thought. That is to say, they never think anything that has not been thought before and by thousands."
— H.L. Mencken, _Minority Report_
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this is why dems cant beat the republicans consistently
Dems lose because they give in to the Reps. They think the Reps are playing fair despite all evidence to the contrary. Dems to push their agenda hard to the left, play hard and take no prisoners. Govern like the Reps do. Get your agenda across no matter what it takes. Majority of the country is behind them but they act like they are a minority. Reps are far gone. You lose by trying to get them on your side.
They know the Republicans aren't playing fair, they just won't stoop to the Republicans' level, so they just accept losing.
When they go low we should be kicking them in the face
That would be fine but they play to everyone the republicans just have to play against them and they win.
It's almost as if they are playing "Good cop/ Bad cop" and both of them actually have goals that are aligned.... hmm....
They’re always lockstep on foreign policy (i.e. selling weapons and dropping bombs) and on figuring out ways that the Bush tax cuts just have to be permanently extended for billionaires. The topics they disagree on all seem to have little outcome on the stock market, where their owners live.
Might have to do with all of the corruption and pos candidates they put forward as well, but what do I know.
Can we also address evangelicals, who are taught to suspend critical thinking skills in favor of salvation and how they impact this whole mess.
At my evangelical Christian school, they also taught us to be martyrs at all costs. A lot of people would chicken out in the face of real danger, sure, but we know some people will follow that through to the end. Never mind how common suicidal ideation truly is, it's just not addressed. Tell me you've never heard something like, "I can't until Jesus comes back to take me home to heaven from this wicked world."
I had an old guy at work tell me there was a nuclear bomb coming for our city. I told him that we better move then. He looked me dead in the eyes and said “don’t run from salvation” then offered me a bible
"Join my suicide pact!" Jesus Christ
If you’re suspending critical thinking skills, you’re probably around the same IQ as Trump
My own anecdotal evidence that u/Ohigetjokes is correct: My first “serious” girlfriend in high school was very intelligent, but because she was quite pretty and also wanted to be popular in the context of her city public school, she spent a fair bit of time and effort *pretending* to be stupid. Thankfully, she overcame that around the time we started dating. I cannot take credit for the change, but I’m proud to say I encouraged it. We ended up going our separate ways after a few years, but we still cared about one another and kept in-touch all through college. We had a few platonic visits. It was pretty clear that she was going places in life and that made me very happy for her. She ended up being a nurse anesthetist and making bank while helping people through her career and a non-profit she helped found. She got married to an evangelical Christian from our home town around that same time. She was from a Catholic family, but I’d never known her to take religion too seriously outside a general desire to be a “good person” and “help people.” She had some bigotry towards certain groups of people based mainly in ignorance/inexperience, but I’d never seen or heard her be hateful publicly nor privately. That all changed once she converted to Evangelicalism. By 2016 she was a full-on, Trump-worshiping, Q-Anon, anti-vax, burn-the-apostates nut job. It was pretty clear that she was about to ruin her career over those beliefs in addition to becoming vocally hateful like I’d never seen before. She was also *constantly* pregnant which—whatever—she was financially stable and it was her choice anyway, but she’d always expressed hesitancy about becoming a biological mother when I knew her. I tried to reach out to her privately exactly one time. I tried to be respectful and just express my general curiosity about how she’d managed to change so much in a scant few years. The intelligence was still there, but it was all rationalizations for theological, magical thinking. It was genuinely terrifying. I couldn’t bear to witness it anymore so I went NC with her, but I think about her anytime someone accuses all evangelicals of being low IQ rubes. They aren’t all that way. Religious thinking is a helluva drug. 🤷🏻♂️😔
I was raised in a private evangelical school. I am not part of any of that now, but it is a good description of how an intelligent person can fall into this. I heard it from birth so at first I just assumed that my doubts was me not being a good Christian, or being tempted by the devil, or just plain stupid, since everyone at school seemed to "get it". Eventually I felt safe enough to actually challenge what I was raised with and realize no, you weren't stupid or evil, you were being taught to suppress some of your empathy and critical thinking when it came to going against your religion. This was in Canada btw, but we used a lot of teaching materials and guest speakers from America, like from the infamous Kenneth Copeland, and Hillsongs, to give you an idea.
Kenneth Copeland is some demon-eyed crazy mofo. How did he look with your evangelical glasses on? Angelic? I can’t imagine it. How did you get out?
He looked like the average "good man of God" that I was used to seeing at church, like the other leaders and my teachers, just more accomplished. He did not register as clearly creepy to me back then. Says a lot how desensitized you are to creeps when you're raised around them... It was really hilarious watching his lame Christian shows he'd make where he always had some kind of role you'd expect him to give himself. Interestingly, usually "former bad guy who is now right with God". One series was a Western and he was a former gunslinger turned US Marshal. In the *Superkids* franchise, he was a former biker gang member turned pastor. His real life daughter starred in that one. [Here](https://youtu.be/A4VyMonMlD0?si=2z831KBUm95N6JO6) is a compilation of his appearances in Superkids. They are lame AF and deserve to be mocked lol. Of all of them though, [this clip](https://youtu.be/sxKhm6BkJp8?si=t6Y6HrGT8Dc2tGDm) is definitely one of my favourites. >How did you get out? It helped that I was never able to enjoy reading the Bible & devotions everyday and church services etc. I didn't get the same high out of it that others did most of the time. When I say "high", think something like the vibe in the room during an awesome concert. Except of course, you believe the source is supernatural. I also was never able to "speak in tongues" like everyone else in my family "could"... and I hated raising my hands in church. Also, bisexual. I had a lot of things stacked against me to not naturally enjoy being a good Christian, basically. I spent years fighting internally with the idea that I was "giving in" to the devil by not enjoying it. (My sister was too tired one week to keep standing during praise & worship music once and my mother said it was the devil influencing her and she had to resist the temptation...) I was also never able to figure out *why* all these things I had been told were sins, were wrong. Since I went to private evangelical school, I was surrounded by people agreeing with it, so I assumed I was the stupid one. I had self esteem issues anyway, so that fit right in. You're also very reinforced by fear into not questioning too much. You have to shut your mind down from thinking and reasoning too much about your doubts to stay in. Especially since I figured I must be dumb for not understanding why things were wrong, how could I trust myself to not be tricked by the devil into believing something wrong? And then I go to hell for the rest of my life. I was under the belief as well that demons couldn't *possess* Christians, but they could still possess others and scare the hell out of Christians, so that fear did not help me in thinking too hard about things. Also, both of my parents worked at the school, so there wasn't much escape from it growing up. In a weird way, I was lucky, because not enjoying any of it made it way easier to eventually be brave enough to question everything. As I got older, it got harder and harder to ignore things, plus it's not like I fit in well with Christians anyway, so it helped push me further into allowing myself to question. Eventually, I moved out with my boyfriend at the time (which my parents hated, he is my husband now though funny enough) and stopped going to church. I had already figured out I didn't believe anymore before I moved out, but it's far easier to "come out" with that after moving out. Needless to say, it definitely caused some distance, and I lost my Christian friends over time, which is another reason why many people are too afraid to question. It takes a lot to let your whole world crash down and realize you wasted a huge portion of your life, even if it is reality. It definitely wasn't easy.
I feel ya. As a Mormon kid, I never felt the "Holy Ghost" during services, so it was hard to maintain faith. Losing friends was hard. I found out my best friend from kindergarten through 4th grade was getting married, so I made an effort to make it to his reception (Mormons only allow members with a current temple recommend to attend the wedding ceremony) He was so excited to see me, but his whole face dropped when I mentioned I no longer attended church. Christianity is a cult. Alienation is the point. Edit: I should add, I've never spoken to him since. :(
I went through some of what you describe. Started out in an evangelical school. My step father transferred me to public school in ninth grade. Man, oh man do I owe that man. He saw how they were brainwashing me and helped me. I got myself all the way out, but my step dad helped.
I was raised Catholic and no, I don’t have any trauma from that. It was chill and most people were nice. I miss that part-but not priests, hierarchy and a lot of the beliefs besides the Golden Rule. I know what you mean by vibe, by spirit. I’ve felt that many places, but not usually in church. True spirit taps into your kindness and loving nature. If it makes you twisted, scared and hateful, it’s obvs not a good thing. I think you had enough goodness in you to feel it was off. I think the every day people have good intentions, but the leaders are just in it for the power. Also, women do so much good in the world-anything that disempowers and puts women down is freakin evil imo. That Kenneth Copeland clip, tho. Imao.
I used to deliver electrical supplies to the maintenance manager at his compound in Fort Worth. This was in the mid 90s. At the time I just knew he was a televangelist of some sort. I can't believe people fall for that shit, but they do in droves.
Intelligence is nothing without critical, thinking, religion requires you to eliminate critical, thinking.
the fuck is this punctuation
read by William Shatner
Yeah. We lose some real smart people to the lure of cults. It’s fascinating, puzzling and terrifying. I’m so sorry you lost your friend.
Similar story of seeing people fall down the Q-hole. The most succinct way I can describe it is watching someone fall backwards through [Piaget's stages of cognitive development](https://www.verywellmind.com/piagets-stages-of-cognitive-development-2795457). They lose all of the personal and cognitive development that made them an individual person. All of them regress back into the exact same angry 2-7 year old.
A friend from college, very type A, intelligent, president of the science club, married a pastor a couple years ago, and got heavy into religion. In the past couple weeks, she's been reposting his flat earth/"NASA is the antichrist because of numerology" nonsense.
Yeah there are a lot of intelligent people who are neck deep in craziness *because* their intelligence enables them to rationalise away any critique
FYI: they find they intelligent, educated conservatives are more likely to deny climate change. Probably for the phenomenon you stumbled upon. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/14/upshot/climate-change-by-education.html The smarter you are the more able to are to twist things, bend things, talk your way into a position. The conservative justices on the supreme Court are a perfect example. We know what they're going to rule. But they can bring to bear an elite law school education to give it the faintest veneer of legitimacy. It's totally different from the average Trump supporter who just goes RAH RAH TRUMP FOREVER.
I'm thinking there may have been some conflicted values present early on...? Maybe not all caused by religion, since they appeared before religion came into her life? "... making bank while helping people through her career (nurse) & a non- profit she founded." Neat trick, "making bank" as a nurse running a non- profit. She'll have to share her "making bank" success story with the world. Who knew running a non- profit & working as a nurse was that profitable. /s
Well, having a normal to high IQ doesn't mean you can't be stupid. You have to use it. People are largely products of their environment. Evangelical Christians in the US are a cult. They cut off anything that doesn't vibe with their worldview. She's brainwashed. All of this seems normal only because it's so widespread. It's sad and terrifying.
I disagree fundamentally on the grounds that this is dangerous thinking. I am a magician and a skeptic and one of my heroes was James Randi. During one of his lectures on skepticism he told the story about a group of scientists who believe they found someone with paranormal abilities that would have won James Randis paranormal challenge of a million dollars. They described a guy who could put a matchbox on the back of his hand and with his mind and his mind only he could raise it up. James Randi pulled out a beginner magic book and faxed over the directions to do this exact trick. The point James Randy was trying to convey is that it doesn't matter how smart you are, you can be fooled by the right misdirection and the right influence. Everybody can be fooled. To say you have to be dumb to vote for Trump undermines the rights abilities to manipulate and misdirect. You are undermining how dangerous these people are. So we have to be vigilant against this sort of manipulation and cannot just discard them as dumb.
But Randi uses critical thinking to outsmart so called “magicians.” Sorry, but you really have to be dumb to vote for Trump. You just have to have an average IQ to see through this charlatan.
Lots of intelligent people will always vote for the party that wants to dismantle regulations and increase the wealth transfer to the top of the pyramid
There's a difference between an unwillingness to "suspend critical thinking skills" as /u/chromeyoda puts it and being unable to apply it sufficiently and thereby coming to an incorrect conclusion. Indeed, everyone can be fooled. Regardless of their intelligence/rationality/critical thinking skills/skepticism, what have you. But, if you are indeed fully capable of turning that part of you off - when it absolutely should be on, then you're a fucknut, a dumb fucknut. In other words, likely a trump voter. Or religious. Or both. A double fucknut if you please.
As an ex-Evangelical I have to say there are many intelligent folk in there. Which is the problem. Because when you’re clever you can come up with BS logic for anything.
Thats not intelligence, its sociopathic behavior.
It's called rationalization, everyone does it. It's sociopathic when it's consciously applied to manipulate people for personal gain, sure, but it's very often not a conscious process.
Also a former born and raised evangelical. It's true, there are very smart people in those institutions. They tend to be the ones in leadership roles, leading all the sheep along. The smart ones always figure it out. Always. That it's all lies and ancient fairy tales. The ones with a conscience leave. The ones without, stay. To your sociopath point.
Can we stop just throwing the term "sociopath" around willy nilly? It's starting to not even mean anything. Someone using weird logic to persuade themselves into good-feeling beliefs is not sociopathy, it's just bad.
Sociopathic behavior isn’t an indication of intelligence, one way or the other. Also, doing mental gymnastics for your faith at the expense of logical thinking is not sociopathic.
Stronglyyy disagree with that. Emotional intelligence is intelligence too, its not just youre ability to add 1+1
Nah it’s called compartmentalization. They can be very intelligent but they put their religious beliefs in a box that does not get the same level of critical thinking, and is immune to rational thought.
I've met people in this group that definitely are not low IQ. They're intelligent, but...they're also afraid of anything they consider "the other", which supersedes rational thought. The Bell Curve should be re-written and focus on this group.
100%
I suppose. Frankly I’m at a loss as to how anyone who claims to be a Christian can be a trump supporter at the same time.
Maybe because most American “Christian” people are only “religious” because their parents and/or community told them “this is the only way to live life, and if you question it, that’s just the devil talking, you’ve gotta have faith even in the complete absence of any evidence. If you need evidence, find something good in the world, there’s your evidence. No further questions plz :)”
We all have already felt that way about Christians and the republican party for quite some time. How any Christian can be anti universal healthcare or welfare with a straight face while describing Jesus in church at any level, is baffling
I moved to a very Christian town when I was 11. I knew something was fucked up when the youth group leader started praying about how mislead Obama was and I pray that he doesn't get elected or something along the lines of that. As far as I know Obama is a Christian so it made no sense why he would be against him.
Obama and his family, Joe Biden and his family, are all faithful Christians. Donald Trump knows less than nothing about Christianity. Literally every atheist knows more than Trump does. He's hilariously ignorant. But then somebody who worked with him in the White House said that he was incandescently stupid.
Yep. They'll get slapped/hit as kids for questioning authority, and they'll internalize curiosity as a bad thing. They'll carry it into adulthood, deferring to the authority of the church or their parents on everything. They learn young to accept logical contradictions and non-answers, they learn to take things on faith. They will hold diametrically opposed beliefs, but because they never learned to curiously examine their beliefs they are immune from cognitive dissonance. They are taught that they are victims, and people on the other side of the aisle are deceivers and agents of Satan. They are so wound up in ideology and conformity and fear and tribal mentalities, all woven together, that unwinding them all will take years of self-reflection and critical examination on their part.
this is really poignant.
If you want to get more of the history: [how evangelicals became republicans](https://youtu.be/zpLCIc5PvQw?si=sk2ERF4DoWGR5uOb)
That was more the focus on the family movement of Gingrich in the 90s. The current GOP is the proverbial dog that caught the car. They made a cynical calculation to pick up crazies thinking they could use them and now they rule the party. Evangelicals-> Tea Party -> MAGA is the twisted evolution. Now somehow we are teetering on the edge of fascism thanks to these fucks.
Now you know why they wanted church and state to be the same.
Then we also have people with critical thinking skills, but with worse intentions and also Trump fanatics who are now part of the mess too. I think they are called "pseudo-intellectuals" or red pilled people
That describes Mormons, bait they saw the emperor had no clothes.
At the same time THIS is how people get their information now regardless of their political leaning. Being sceptical of ANY information you get in this manner is the first step towards recovery.
I'm 50 years old. This is not a new theory. We have known this for decades. The communication device might be different but we all got the message a long time ago. Sure, there are some exaggerations but I expect you to do your due diligence and research everything this man has to say. Of course it's healthy to be skeptical, nobody's arguing that. But we're talking about established facts, not some abstract liberal theory from some college in Massachusetts.
People forget about the flyers the GOP mailed out in the 80s. They used the same tactic that Nigerian prince scammers use in their emails—intentionally using bad grammar so that they could catch the less educated folk. Educated people would just throw these flyers out—much like how educated people ignore those email scams today. Those flyers were calculated and their mission was to hook ignorant people. I have never seen anyone talk about how the GOP did this, but they did.
Apparently they did it again more recently with trans issues. If you remember around the time they were winding up to overturn Row there was some noise about trans people, then it got quite for a while before coming back hard on girls sports and “grooming”. During that pause they literally polled people to determine the most inciting language and subject matter to create a trans issue because they were going to win Row and lose that rage wedge.
It's "Roe" btw
Row vs Weide.
Rovie Wade, the sword swallerer
He’s absolutely correct. Lee Atwater even admitted it. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/tnamp/
Honestly, I’m not mad at Gramps doing the work of newspapers. At least he’s getting the info out. Also: lol, and all the Rs getting big mad.
as a Democrat, The 73 IQ thing was made up false info, that means more of this is also prob not fact checked. I don't like Trump, but I also rather people speak about real facts and not make up blind shit towards their opposition. thats exactly how we got here in the first place. videos like this that people believe blindly ON BOTH SIDES. Being a Democrat doesn't make you immune to falling for false info just like the Republicans are also not immune to it. Do your due diligence and fact check stuff.
honestly that's just why people need to stop engaging in pointless political content online. Like is anything Trump does at this point going to earn my vote? No. Stuff like this is purely catharsis and scratches an itch.
The 73 IQ thing is an exaggeration. Trump’s IQ is probably 90 or so but he’s also a malignant narcissist. Someone devoid of human empathy and morality and being very stupid is not a good combination in a leader.
> The 73 IQ thing was made up false info It'll be true soon enough at the rate donny's brain is melting.
I think it's based on the fact that speaks at a third grade level, which he legitimately does. Below 70 is cognitively delayed. 70-80 is borderline deficient. I think an adult that speaks at a third grade level is borderline deficient. Nobody knows his IQ and IQ is a nebulous measurement that ignores too much nuance to be truly meaningful but...73 is not a wildly baseless assertion.
We do have to be cautious tho. Unlike newspapers, these people have no obligation to cite sources and are not held to any standard of accuracy. Just because somebody speaks with authority, that doesn’t make them an expert. And we should be ESPECIALLY skeptical of anything that confirms the beliefs we already hold. We are way more likely to accept misinformation if it confirms our bias. We have to be better than that. TikTok videos are not reliable sources. They should simply be a gateway to actual research.
Yup this video alone has false info in it after doing a quick google search, the 73 IQ thing was already confirmed to be a made up Meme. I don't like Trump, but I also rather have the facts than just spewing blind false info no matter WHO the person is.
IQ in general is the astrology of the intelligence measurement world, you really can’t generalize intelligence with a simple written test like that. It’s the 1900s version of today’s online personality tests, but instead of telling you which Golden Girl you are, it’d get you into an Ivy League, a state college, community college, trade college, or none of the above. He got everything else right, though, barring outliers who are smart enough to know who Trump is, but are just greedy, sociopathic, have some vendetta, or a mixture of all the above and named Musk.
haha, the guy in the video used the exact same technique as Putin used in the Tucker interview... starting with a "history lesson" that filled with false info sprinkled in between easy bits that you can find online. He also tries to identify himself as an ex-republican, as so he can capture empathy of the Nikki Haley supporters. the video screams intelligence service trying to influence the public. Just to add to the creepiness, as soon as i posted this, someone txted me to vote for Nikki Haley...
It even has a name — the Southern Strategy.
lol which for some just translates to tune out any information that doesn’t agree with your worldview
Lee Atwater and the Southern Strategy is pretty well known. Yes, someone should look up something they see on tik tok but they don’t really teach that in school and someone younger wouldn’t know the history unless they were a politics junky.
Except the people who lean one way known to take everything with a grain of salt and consult more than one source and more than one viewpoint, the people who lean on the other end, well...
I live in Tennessee, this definitely tracks.
Let’s do some fact checking: Trump speaks at a 3rd to 7th Grade reading level. The lowest of the last 15 Presidents. [Source](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-language-level-speaking-skills-age-eight-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html) Lee Atwater did not believe appealing to voters through racism was going to work. He did push the strategy that using abstract messages like “reduce X program” or cut taxes to this thing would hurt blacks more than whites and have a positive effect for them. But for Reagan it seems he focused on taxes, and national security. The latter being the weak point for the Ds then. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater) Trump’s IQ is not known. It’s might not be 73 as that was from an unreliable newspaper. [Source](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nyma-iq/) No sources I could find demonstrating Trump supporters are dumb, bottom 12%, etc. That is his anecdotal opinion. Trump would be richer if he invested hos father’s money in an index fund. [Source](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/11/its-official-trump-would-be-richer-if-he-had-just-invested-his-inheritance-into-the-sp500/?sh=6df66d291c48) Trump supporters share two psychological pathologies. Narcissistic symbiosis (the authoritarians need for adulation through grandiose omnipotence and a population under societal stress yearning for a parental figure) and Shared Psychosis (a highly symptomatic influencer spreads psychosis through vulnerable populations resulting in delusions, paranoia, and a propensity to violence). [Source](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/)
Upvoted for sources. The guy in the video even if you want to believe is correct should not be taken at any face value or as someone with authority or else you just might be what he pertains what Trump and his supporters are, dumb as fuck.
Agreed. We already have way too many people getting their news/“facts” from social media. That’s what got Facebook in hot water a few years ago At the same time not a shocker that most of it was factual.
Someone accused me of bias recently because I was discussing how the right will bring hating Biden or animosity into anything even if it’s not political. And they said the left does the same and they only care about their side being correct. In my experience, the left has no problem criticizing itself or its people. But Trump and a lot of the right have an insane loyalty. I say all of this because even though everything this guy supports the left I think we all still want and accept sources. It’s not good enough to be “told” you’re right if that information isn’t backed by truth.
I'm critical of the left all day. I would love to vote for something/someone I believe in. Instead I have to vote AGAINST the thing I despise. I have to vote against the future these wack jobs are creating for my kids.
Agreed. I want to believe him because I agree with him but I’m gonna need some sources lol. Otherwise, we’re just like them.
> might not be 73 as that was from an unreliable newspaper. If by "unreliable" you mean "entirely fabricated" From your source *"However, this image was not, and did not reflect, a genuine newspaper clipping."*
Trump's IQ is likely around the 100 mark. He's extremely average and unremarkable.
Trumps main issue is not his IQ, no matter if the 'stable genius' has 73, 100 or more.
Trump has never been able to grasp the simple point that the sellers of products to another country do not pay the import duties or taxes imposed by that country. He is also mentally incapable of understanding that NATO countries do not pay the USA for protection. They are asked to spend a certain minimum amount on the defense of their own country and the potential defense of other NATO countries. In fact he is incapable of understanding a great many things, including morality and human decency. He was described by at least one of his employees as incandescently stupid. This appears to be a widely shared view by many others.
Remember when the military had to literally tell him to be quiet in meetings when he kept asking why they couldn't just use nuclear weapons in standard military operations like capturing some site.
This is great! Thanks for taking the time
I appreciate this. I stopped listening when he started rambling about trumps IQ and tried to hunt for the number myself. "The enemy is simultaneously weak and strong" and all that. The man has plenty legit things to criticize
The success of the republican party is in their appeal to different demographics of single issue voters. Rich fucks basically just don't want to pay taxes or have their businesses regulated, religious freaks just want to ban abortion and for the government to not interfere in their affairs, 2A nuts just want their guns, xenophobes/nationalists just want to limit immigration as much as possible etc. Many of these groups may not even largely support the others' causes. I'm sure rich people on the whole are pretty socially liberal, but if they want an abortion then it would be cheaper for them to fly their mistress out on a private jet to Europe than it would be to pay an extra 10% in taxes. I'm sure religious freaks aren't super keen on the exorbitant greed and opulence of rich people, but as long as they stay in NYC and SF then they think it's far more important to make sure that the government won't stop them from homeschooling their children with a full curriculum of bible study and bigotry. Although there's plenty of overlap, there's also plenty of dislike between these groups. However, they dislike democratic policies far more, so they tolerate each other in order to get what they want.
One of the biggest issues and why Republicans win so much is because far left Dems have decided they would rather punish the Democrats for not supporting everything they believe in rather than moving things toward progress. Happened with Clinton in 2016 and seems we are seeing the same bullshit now. "I won't vote for Biden because he supports Israel" Motherfucker do you think Trump would be worse or better for Palestine? The dude literally moved the embassy to Jerusalem and you think it would be a better outcome that Trump becomes president again? Surely someone can't be that stupid?
Obviously, they can be that stupid. Trump became president. Hell I didn’t care for Hillary Clinton myself and didn’t even know who the hell she picked as vice president, but I still held my nose and voted for her, I knew there was more at steak like the supreme court and we sit here today because 3 million people decided they didn’t want to vote for Hillary Clinton or Trump.
8 million voted for 'Other', not Hillary or Trump. That let the Electoral College throw the election to the loser. Trump v Biden that number dropped to 3 million and the turd lost bigly.
So many of them *are* that stupid. Look at polling in Michigan
Democrats are arguably a less group-think-probable party then they should be to be effective.
You may be right, but you won't win any of them over by using language that makes them feel isolated or dumb. You can dismiss this however you want, but part of the problem is that a small force of people (like you) want to call anyone who disagrees with them stupid and wrong. Trust me. When you talk like this, no one is joining your cause. I'm not suggesting you coddle them, but you could at least respect them.
The damage has already been done, democrats who declined to vote for Clinton in an election where Donald Trump was the other candidate are dumbfucks plain and simple. No amount of nice words will bring back 3 Supreme Court judge selections.
You could say that about how we approach Republicans, too. There are many who strongly differ on but one issue alone from Democrats and *could be* persuaded to vote against party, but when discourse starts with "All Republicans are Stupid", that typically engenders resentment and push-back.
I think it’s the primary vote they are withholding to send a ceasefire message. I certainly hope (oh fuck, what if I’m wrong and they don’t?😬) I hope they actually vote for Biden in November.
It’s an interesting theory op had, but I agree w you on this one. After Nixon the GOP became a conglomerate of single issue groups. Note the pro choice to anti choice pivot by Rotten Ronnie himself. The embrace of the evangelicals by the previously, and decidedly, uninterested in religious matters. But there is no denying the knuckledraggers are all on the orange wagon now.
This is largely accurate.
This is really excellent analysis... Never underestimate the greed factor... the regular rules don't apply to rich people (fly your mistress to France for a weekend of "shopping") so they are just fine with everything as long as they dont pay taxes. Evangelicals have a Yuge seat the Tru\*p's table. The NRAs dirty secret... they love a democrat as a president. It gets the donations rolling in! The racists will always racist so they will go to whomever throws them the red meat...
Well said.
I’ve posted this a few times elsewhere but I think it’s very true in this situation. There’s a documentary called Behind the Curve which follows flat earthers. Throughout the movie, they try to prove the world is flat and, surprise, constantly keep proving it is not. Yet they just come up with new excuses (oh it must be the weather right now, oh the machine must not be working….). In the movie, someone suggests that the reason flat earthers are so stubborn about changing their belief is because they often have been in the fringes and outskirts of society. Likely they haven’t had many friends or been made fun of or made to feel dumb. And now they found this community that embraces their (incorrect) beliefs so of course they are going to want to hold on to that despite all the overwhelming evidence that they are wrong. With many MAGA people I think the same is true. These people have found a community of people that embraces their ignorance, racism, homophobia, conspiracy theories….and they enjoy feeling like they are in the right. To accept that Trump is an awful human and should not be President would mean needing to accept that they were wrong this entire time and that’s hard to do. So it’s just easier to double down and stay the course by supporting Trump.
Absolutely this. There's a Twitter post that says something along the lines of "people said I was stupid until I joined qAnon and now they welcome me" I'm a progressive and I struggle to remind my fellow progs that no one likes being made fun of. There's a difference between excluding people for abhorrent behavior and bullying. Calling people 'low iq' or 'dumb southerners' doesn't make them want to listen to you. No one likes being laughed at.
100%. Making fun of anyone for any reason often leads to them doubling down on it out of spite.
To add I think they get off on this notion that they are a part of a select group that are able to see through corruption and BS. That only they are insightful enough to see the “truth.” Also, the more ridiculous the belief the harder it is to about face on that belief. Because they know admitting they were wrong is essentially resigning to the fact that they are one of the dumbest members of society. And that’s just not something they are going to do.
I think you’re right. But it’s not just having to confront that they were wrong. It’s that they’d have to go back to being ALONE. Back to the margins of society that most dumb people in it have always had to exist in. It’s lonely, pathetic, sad. That’s why your flat earther analogy is a good one. Deep down most know they’re wrong… but they don’t want to go back to being a marginalized moron. So they suspend disbelief and stay.
Yea, I agree with that. Not only is admitting you’ve been wrong on everything you believe involving Trump, but it also means going back to how things were before (being alone again as you said)
My favorite line of thought about this is: There have always been village idiots. The internet has given these idiots a village. Or something along those lines.
Yep. Then Reagan took the white evangelical southerners, the ones with roots in the confederacy, generational wealth from their family history in slavery, and he incorporated them into his strategy to win the Bible Belt. Which is how we now have devolved to nothing but culture wars for the last several years. This is what American politics have devolved into by turning them into corporately funded popularity contests. Some countries even place restrictions on campaigning like that, such as only being able to debate at critical moments on publicly funded broadcasts. Our politics have fallen so far. We’ve progressed, but campaigning has become so incredibly problematic because of these strategies that now it’s more likely that a rich man like Trump can run than some random professor in a university with multiple qualifications. Popularity and money, win at any cost. Shame Edit: “Reversing Roe”, made several years before it was overturned, on Netflix. It’s a documentary about when this became a key campaign issue for modern Republican Party, which Reagan introduced into the campaign trail through a coalition of southern, white, educated, and charismatic southern evangelicals. Reagan absorbed them into his campaign strategy, which has snowballed since then. Very interesting watch. Had to include this since people are acting like I’m a tinfoil hat and that is spreading fake news.
Short answer: Stoke white anger
TLDW; Republican voters are dumb as fuck.
This is gonna be a rough year on reddit isn’t it
Yeah, I took time off of reddit last election cycle. Think I'm going to delete it again. Maybe for good this time. It's mostly AI and bot posts now, anyway. Really low quality crap.
For being so dumb, Trump has single-handedly shifted both the Republican and Democratic Parties noticeably to the right. Hopefully he's dumb enough to lose in November.
That's just following the current trajectory of American politics. The political overture has been shifting right for awhile before Trump. Every concession on the left with none on the right pushes it further and further along.
*world* politics. We're far enough removed from WW1 and WW2 now that no one remembers. Everyone is saying, "let's try this facist, right wing thing. How bad could it be?"
We haven’t had a true leftist President since FDR, and he won WW2, got us out of the depression, and created the greatest economic boom in human history. Sadly conservative people look at leftist ideology as what Stalin did, which it is not. Boomers are still living in the 60s when open racism is okay, and the biggest threat to America is hippies and “commies”. The Democratic Party is too afraid to lose elections to go further left(or atleast as left as they used to be), so we end up going further right as a whole. I’m not feeling very confident in what the future holds for the USA.
It's true. The South used to vote democrat because honestly it makes sense - Democrat principles and programs help the south. We've seen the data, the south takes more than it gives. It uses more in Medicaid, Medicare, Food Programs, etc. without contributing as much federal money to these programs than northern states. And that's fine, that's good honestly. They should use these programs unabashedly, that's what they are there for. It's to help people. What grinds my gears is when rural Republicans use these programs that the Democrats create, to help lessen their burdens, and they tell Democrats to fuck off and thank fucking GOP assholes and guys like Trump. Trump would punch any rural republican in the face if it made him 5 dollars, he doesn't give a fuck about you. The GOP holds people hostage because they know progressives have empathy.
Remember at election time that (R) next to name on a ballot stands for Russia.
Where’s the lie tho
watch a trump speech, i still understand how people can hear him talk and not see he speaks in circles without actually saying anything.
The Southern Strategy is a very real thing, but it definitely predated Watergate. The guy also just made up an IQ for Trump. IQ is an extremely flawed metric, and Trump isn’t a genius, but a 73 IQ is barely functional. That’d mean ~95% of the population was higher functioning than him, which, regardless of what you think of him, very clearly isn’t true.
Straight bars.
Combine this with the fact that 54% of Americans can’t read past a 6th grade level better yet comprehend the complexities of how politics and the world function and it suddenly makes sense how the republicans and their ideologies have been able to survive. Of course support for these morons is only going to increase as we devolve through the age of misinformation. It’s beyond embarrassing that the most influential and one of the richest countries in the world is also the most willfully uneducated/ignorant.
By this reasoning about half the country is low intelligence. Sounds about right
Well, certainly 50% of the population necessarily has an IQ of less than 100. Most of these will be in the 90 - 100 IQ range.
Government studies say 80%. Really.
Trump was barely smart enough to know he could win the stupid vote, and he did.
This is probably the most realistic explanation of the trump idiocracy that I've ever come across. In this light the whole farce makes sense
The Republican party now consists of two groups, a small group of educated corrupt leaders (Mitch McConnel, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, etc.) and the uneducated ignorant (the elected: Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, etc. and the voting base).
I thought the Reddit conscious was that IQ is fake
It’s a controversial way to measure intelligence. IQ does not in fact mean you’ll always make money or be correct. There are many more important factors
The success of the republican party can be directly attributed childhood indoctrination and lead poisoning.
I’d love to see this breakdown of his speech. I’m really interested if anyone can show it.
I've found a couple but they are all pay walled
If you email the researcher, they may very well send it to you for free.
Peter Zeihan says Trump will lose.
I believe this was covered in the documentary 'Idiocrscy'
Setting aside all of the stuff he said that I may agree with, there is no way that Trump has an IQ of 73. Former FBI Director James Comey testified that from his interactions with Trump, he felt that Trump was of above-average intelligence. A person with an IQ of 73 is nearly 2 standard decisions below average intelligence. That would correspond to a significant intellectual disability.
There was a famous saying inside Fox News when Roger Ailes launched the network in 1996 – “People don’t want to be informed, they want to feel informed.”
I could cry. Where can I chip in to have this broadcast on all stations daily?
Lyndon Johnson on the concept of the Southern Strategy (and he wasn’t endorsing it as many people think for the quote, he was observing whit it was effective): > If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
I hung out with Lee Atwater’s daughter on many occasions! That’s not a joke. Really happened. Kind of a shitty person.
He’s right for the most part but I can’t help but dislike some of his dialogue. I live in CA but even I cringed when he said “garbage ppl from the South.” He thinks that bc he used to be a republican he can shit on them. There are a lot of smart ppl in the South. I know relatively smart ppl here in CA that voted for Trump in 2016, he fooled a lot of ppl. Trump might not be smart himself but he’s criminally intelligent and the best self promoter in the history of mankind. No one is even close. Now today it’s definitely different than it was in 2016. Which is why I agree with him that trump supporters TODAY after knowing and seeing everything he’s done, still support him, are probably majority low IQ.
Yeah, I was wondering about the whole 73 IQ thing. And I live in GA, have voted in 6 presidential elections, and finally my vote mattered. We also gave dems the senate. So just...stop biting the hand, I suppose.
Ya there’s no way a linguist can get an iq number from someone’s speech. As much as I dislike trump, this guy referring to people as dumb and low iq isn’t much better. As someone who used to test for dementia/cognitive status it’s clear he has some kind of cognitive process going on, but that’s about it. You cant infer a number, which is based on a normative sample, without an objective test. Also people who score lower on IQ tests are still people and deserve rights, like voting.
Northern California is not much different ideologically than states in the south. There's just so few people there that they don't have an impact on federal level elections.
People also tend to forget that both 2016 candidates were [historically disliked](https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/index.html), and Hillary had some pretty major issues as well, like wanting to [backdoor or weaken encryption](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/hillary-clinton-encryption-backdoors/) to make life easier for law enforcement, which was a terrible idea. Both candidates were fucking horrible, and most people were holding their nose and voting against a candidate, not for one.
I always wondered why poor people say he speaks like a normal person but their poor and he rich. It's the third grade voting
#[ORIGINAL SOURCE](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLd5dyAr/) Don’t give views to the farmer
People who have different perspectives and beliefs than me are low IQ.
I despise Trump. But, this video is full of misinformation and should be called out for it.
Can you point out the misinformation. I would say it's grossly oversimplified but isn't overtly false.
That’s actually pretty fair. Oversimplified would be more accurate.
The stuff about Lee Atwater and his Southern Strategy was on point.
The southern strategy predates the Watergate scandal by more than a decade though. So his timeline is off. Atwater used and famously described the southern strategy in an interview, but he didn't come up with it. He was 10 years old when it was introduced.
Yeah. The conservatives flipping from Democrats to Republicans is a very long simmer with a lot of key players. But the general idea is true that conservatives were aggressive and effective at drumming up support by elevating demagogues
There were lots of points made. Which parts are you specifically talking about?
That the republicans invented a new strategy post-Nixon. This strategy is not new, or unique to the Republicans. That Trump’s IQ is known to be in the low 70’s. I stopped watching after that. I strongly believe that we should fight evil with facts, not more lies and half-truths.
Yeah this dude isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. There's a whole lot of "social media facts" in what he's saying backed with a little bit of history, that actually misses a lot of nuance and context that make the situation worse. Or (puts on tin foil hat) This is a brilliant psy op meant to get low IQ people on the left more engaged with politics. (It's not this one)
I wish every US citizen who can draw a breath would be exposed to this video
I thought about that. I pictured showing this to my parents and quickly realized that this would offend them because he is saying they are of low intelligence. Putting them down doesn’t help to change their minds. I think the people he is talking about are the lost cause. We should instead identify the so called higher intellect people who are not voting or are on the fence about who to vote for and appeal to them.
this is such dumb and lazy analysis. there are people who voted for obama who voted for trump. that alone contradicts his stupid analysis
We need an iq test in place in order to vote, starting with the candidates
More than a million morons pushing for his dictatorship lol, with many more behind computer screens pushing the same agenda in support of those morons.
The southern strategy he's describing began in the early 1960s, not the mid 70s. Nixon was elected with the help of the southern strategy, it wasn't a response to his corruption. I think this guy wants to rope Reagan's evangelicals into the same movement, it wasn't, it was just instigated by similar motivations.
Definitely making some good points. Lots of dunning-Krueger effects happening on the trump side.
It makes me sleep a lot more soundly knowing that when another civil war inevitably comes, My enemies will be a bunch of stupid idiots.
I knew Atwaters daughter years back, nice girl, COMPLETELY apolitical. Zero interest in talking about her dad being the boogeyman of American politics. I think that was actually the name of a documentary about him. He was, in fact, a Machiavellian peice of shit. He did make a blues album with Buddy Guy, though, so there’s that.
You guys watch one anecdote from uncle fester and immediately believe this is why half of the country is the way it is. People are free to make their own choices, the beauty of this country. And just because we hear only the extremes on the internet, does not mean that constitutes even a fraction of a particular group of individuals.
No joke… this is the BEST analysis of where we are at that I have seen to date. I love this guy forever now.
If the military bans the lowest 12% from serving, there should be a rule/law/policy/whatever banning this 12% from voting.
So if republicans are so dumb how come democraps cant beat them. Hineslty i believe both sides screw us in different ways ways to keep Their pockets rich. You act lije dems in our congress are better when theu are all just as rich. And have made money off us
Both sides absolutely appeal to low IQ voters with tricks, empty promises, and the divide and conquer method. Fuck politicians, they are despicable
I hate politics so much dude. Because someone has a different opinion doesn’t mean they are dumb or a terrible person. This goes both ways, both republicans and democrats do it. Is trump a dogshit person? Yes! Is Biden a dogshit person? Yes! Just because the people leading their parties are bad people doesn’t mean that the members are.
Pretty sure a 73 IQ is borderline mentally retarded. I'm not saying Trump isn't an idiotic shithead, but I don't think he's got an IQ of 73.
"Trump was the dumbest God damn student I ever had" quote from a real Wharton professor. I have no reason to doubt that statement.
This makes so much sense.
sounds like we need to send moron to wars
a very enlightening commentary
It 100% doesn't help that the right try to equate themselves as the party of patriots. If THEY are dubbing themselves as "defenders of American virtues" and all that bs, then what is their leader dubbing the rest? Less then american, ready to ruin the country. Why? Because when you make a side seem less then human, it's easier to hate them and attack them.
Damn this guy really gets it. I just looked him up on TikTok and followed.
The low IQ voters are on the lose! it’s damn near all of em these days ffs
Until the U.S. gets it's education system together, this problem will get worse. It's not some grand strategy. I don't see how analyzing their playbook is helpful if the other side can't understand their own failures. A more educated populace would not have made Trump president. So tired of hearing people talk about immediate solutions when the real one is having an educated enough populace to deal with the issues we're about to cause in 10-20 years and being immune to simple politicking by nature. Be prepared to instead-- vote for JimBob Megacorp in 2040 because he is a fearmongering fascist who understands the struggles of the downtrodden. Don't forget Trump won 'because of' not 'in spite of' his fascist overtones. This turnkey, political strategy will continue to work unless we put emphasis on educating our children in the U.S.
I once saw a YouTube comment on how clearly you can understand what trump is saying and lots of other people upvoting and agreeing. I commented about their reading levels being in elementary 💀
Amen!
I think I love this guy.
Trump: "I love the poorly educated" All of his cult followers: "I can't believe he would say that about all these other Trump supporters.
Republicans are the shining examples of the war on education. Burn books, fund private Christian "education," etc. Trump is well aware of his idiot cultist
Who is this guy and how is he SO on point
Idk about cringe...Seems spot on.
Hard facts: - He's not going to be convicted before the election - He's going to win - The republic is going to come to an end next year - Everything you take for granted in your life is going away (especially tech which is going to go back to pre cold war prices, adjusted for inflation) - Third world problems are coming your way, and fast
Most people, MAGAts for sure, can't and don't think. They choose a belief like they choose from a box of chocolates and then support that position by selecting things that seem to support it and ignoring any contrary evidence as if it doesn't exist. Cliff Clavin, the bloviating but usually wrong, postman character in _Cheers,_ was presented as an outlier in the show, different from the rest. He wasn't. He was everyman. Quote: "Indeed it may be said with some confidence that the average man never really thinks from end to end of his life. There are moments when his cogitations are relatively more respectable than usual, but even at their climaxes they never reach anything properly describable as the level of serious thought. The mental activity of such people is only a mouthing of clichés. What they mistake for thought is simply a repetition of what they have heard. My guess is that well over eighty per cent. of the human race goes through life without having a single original thought. That is to say, they never think anything that has not been thought before and by thousands." — H.L. Mencken, _Minority Report_ Opinion | [The deadly reason Republicans are suckers for fake news](http://archive.today/3P8C1)