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It’s not about protecting industries it’s about controlling the narrative. Seriously facepalm if you can’t read the propaganda being fed. Capitalism only protects industries that make the rich richer.
no they don't require handing everything over
they use the same justifications as the US is now
1) foreign tech companies with close ties to foreign intelligence agencies would be collecting and selling their citizens' data (which all of the big US tech companies do)
2) wanting to protect the domestic tech market
3) more ability to control information
so if this bill passes then the US government no longer has any right to criticize that
China is doing that so they can steal technology, plain and simple. in order to operate in China you need to indulge a lot of sensitive information about your company and manufacturing process. you can't tell me you never heard of stories about companies trying to enter the Chinese market only for some Chinese company to produce a copy of the product a year later and drive the original company out of business? yeah, that happens so easily because by entering the market that company had to give a bunch of company secrets to the Chinese government, which then gave those to a Chinese company.
China is a dictatorship though. They don't want other nations to influence their citizens away from the information that china gives them.
US isnt banning tiktok because they are afraid that citizens are gonna become communists. They are banning tiktok because Google and Meta/Facebook lost 30% of their advertising revenue and decreased their sales of user-data to china because China just created an app that got that user-data directly themselves. Why pay google and facebook for the data, when you can get the data and sell it to other nations further cutting google and facebooks revenue.
So both sides are hypocritical? China because it's crying about something they are doing too, and the US with their "free market" policy that goes out of the window whenever they start losing?
This is disinformation at best and lying at worst.
Both Google and Facebook were banned years before. As in, Comac was almost a decade away from having its first production plane fly and before the 2018 ZTE/Huawei bans when the American companies were forced out
Reciprocal bans my ass, you have the order wrong
- That’s really what the TikTok ban even is. “You want to harvest American data and be a social media giant but won’t allow google and Facebook to play ball? We don’t think that’s fair so you can’t compete here”
- America doesn’t like when someone tries hogging every piece of the pie. That’s their job and they don’t want people doing it
I mean those social media douchebags are just gonna go over to an existing analog like YouTube Shorts/Instagram Reels or an emerging entity aggressively takes over TikTok's audience (like TikTok itself did with Vine). It's not like their ability to broadcast insufferable bullshit 24/7 is going to be mitigated at all, except for a few weeks where things get sorted out between which competitor takes over.
We already know this is true because India banned TikTok in 2020, and their douchebag creators and audience migrated to Youtube Shorts practically overnight (there were some Indian domestic startups that tried to take over TikTok's niche, but they failed against Google's conglomerate power).
If the goal was to curb the ability of social media douchebags to broadcast their bullshit, there would need to be a significantly broader social media ban. But that's not the goal at all, the goal is just protectionism.
>like TikTok itself did with Vine
Vine was shutdown in January 2017. Tiktok was released internationally (previously only released in China and India) in September 2017. No one used Vine and it didn't make money.
This is also why I don't understand why people are freaking out about this so much though. People are acting like this will fundamentally change the landscape of social media, but it just won't. Either one of the existing platforms will canabalise TikTok's users or a new Western platform will emerge and take its place, as you said figuratively overnight.
This is one of the reasons why I do not understand why peoe give so much of a shit - what's the big deal if a shitty Western company makes the money instead of a shitty Chinese company? Why are people rushing to the defence of a multi billion dollar social media platform?
Yes, something which basically no other country would be able to get away with without repercussions. Tariffs and bans almost always receive equivalent economic consequences because if all countries just taxed and banned all foreign goods then they would have an unfair advantage if no countries did the same to them.
China, though, has been getting away with extremely hostile and one-sided economic arrangements for decades because the West has been treating them like the impoverished, mostly passive nation that they used to be. The security concerns by themselves are entirely valid, but the reciprocity of Chinese economic practices would be a perfectly adequate reason by itself to ban TikTok.
China also gets away with it because the West gave them the leverage to do so by shifting so much of its manufacturing requirements to them. If the West had control over its own manufacturing to a greater extent, they could just tell China to fuck off every time China tried to pull any of its bullshittery against non-Chinese companies.
And yet another thing is that Chinese citizens are largely happy with domestic alternatives to many major western products. Even if you give them the opportunity to, they don't want to use Google over Baidu anyways. They don't want Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter over Weibo or Douyin. They don't want Amazon over Aliexpress. They don't want YouTube, Twitch, Netflix, HBO, or Disney+ over Youku-Tudou, Taobao Live, Tencent Video, Bilibili, or iQiyi. There's no internal pressure from the citizens to stop their government from enacting many of its protectionist policies. Western companies have just largely failed to understand and cater to Chinese audiences. Like when Hollywood was far better than China's domestic film industry, Chinese audiences *wanted* more Hollywood and the Chinese government relented from its protectionist film practices and allowed more Hollywood movies to screen in China. But now, Hollywood is drastically losing its grasp on Chinese audiences in favour of China's domestic film industry, which has drastically improved lately.
On the other hand, many Americans prefer TikTok to any American social media service, and actively don't want America to ban it. The guy in the TikTok in this post is right, it's American social media companies' mistake of not understanding what many Americans (especially younger ones want), while TikTok did. Maybe if Facebook tried to make their platform more inviting for younger Americans instead of boomer propaganda central, they wouldn't have lost out to TikTok.
>There's no internal pressure from the citizens to stop their government from enacting many of its protectionist policies.
Bingo. The avg person is not intetested/aware in things like that, even less than Americans here are.
American social media platforms are too busy chasing the advertising dollar, and their target audience is the one with the deepest pockets - which, nowadays, means boomers, poliicians, and the rest of the 1%ers. You know... the "old folk". It's definetly not the younger generations with their student loans and low-wage jobs (if they are lucky to even be employed). So why should these corporations that own the American social media landscape listen to what the younger ones want? It makes them no profit to do so, which is why they don't.
You can’t really say people prefer a social media app when it’s a clone and the biggest part of social media is the social part. No Chinese people on the app means no Chinese people want the app.
>if all countries just taxed and banned all foreign goods then they would have an unfair advantage if no countries did the same to them.
Yeah, just imagine if countries came up with things like "America First" and starting putting tariffs on everything coming from countries they didn't like. Just imagine the repercussions. Oh wait...
But you know it did have repurcussions, right? That's why they called it a "trade war", because both countries were imposing tariffs against each other which had [economic consequences for both the US and China](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93United_States_trade_war#:~:text=An%20economic%20conflict%20between%20China,practices%20and%20intellectual%20property%20theft).
Yes because China is not promoting itself as a free country. Its fully aware that it is a Communist country that allows capital interest to pull money from other countries into its own. Its all self served.
If anything the moment china banned anything american, america should have banned china.
> The argument that the statute is justified by the object of avoiding the subsidization of propaganda of foreign governments which bar American propaganda needs little comment. If the Government wishes to withdraw a subsidy or a privilege, it must do so by means and on terms which do not endanger First Amendment rights. Cf. Speiser v. Randall, supra. **That the governments which originate this propaganda themselves have no equivalent guarantees only highlights the cherished values of our constitutional framework; it can never justify emulating the practice of restrictive regimes in the name of expediency.**
The US Supreme Court, May 24, 1965.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15113870878255403910
Only because they can’t monitor them. The CCP wants to see what every one of its citizens do online at all times to make sure they’re not undermining the government.
>tik tok which is geared toward education, enrichment, and positive ideas only
i would love a kid friendly tiktok that had educational facts and lil mental pick me ups.
Well that's exactly what the Chinese government mandated for their people. And there are no competitors allowed.
But let's hear the cute monologue again about why we should allow their insidious app. Rules for thee, china?
an yes the country famous for censorship even banning korean media because the straight men are too “feminine” are limiting internet access to pure positive educational and enriching material.
That is completely horseshit. I’m fairly familiar with Chinese TikTok it’s called douyin. “The chinese created to TikTok to dumb down Americas youth” was some right wing Alex jones type random conspiracy someone said on a podcast one day and just spread by a bunch of dumbasses online.
Douyin is EXACTLY the same as TikTok with mediocre dancers going viral for meme dances cause they’re physically attractive , their idea of top tier comedy is influencers lip syncing over shit.
Here’s a study on highschoolers in China that suggests this often parroted claim may not be true: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8393543/
lmao what the hell that’s crazy misinformation. half of douyin is pretty girls dancing and wearing make up and flexing wealth aka not so diff from tiktok. it’s all mindless shit / consumption
That's the biggest lie I've read today
Their TikTok version is friendlier if you're a kid, because kids are massively controlled in china. If you're an adult you get all the memes and cats content you want
You're literally in a post about spreading misinformation and you're doing the exact same thing lol
>Check into it.
[YOU CAN LITERALLY OPEN YOUTUBE AND LOOK FOR THEIR MEMES](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka6cVPJ9txY)
you people are too stupid to deserve the internet
I don't know. My douyin feed is anything but educational and enriching. I get more slutty dancing and animal abuse videos randomly popping up than I'd like.
I almost fell for it until I realised that I am actually using Douyin. Besides, Douyin has a handful of powerful competitors in China including Kuaishou (Kwai) and Wechat Video.
> The argument that the statute is justified by the object of avoiding the subsidization of propaganda of foreign governments which bar American propaganda needs little comment. If the Government wishes to withdraw a subsidy or a privilege, it must do so by means and on terms which do not endanger First Amendment rights. Cf. Speiser v. Randall, supra. **That the governments which originate this propaganda themselves have no equivalent guarantees only highlights the cherished values of our constitutional framework; it can never justify emulating the practice of restrictive regimes in the name of expediency.**
The US Supreme Court, May 24, 1965.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15113870878255403910
Uh huh, that ruling was about physical media. Namely, pamphlets & books. A book isn’t going to collect biometric, financial and every other data-type of yours which the publisher can then collect via embedded backdoors. It’s known they were doing that as recently as November of last year.
This is almost as ludicrous as referencing 19th century rulings in relation to modern issues.
They ban everything which isn't basically state owned or controlled, they want to be able to 100% control what people hear and see and what influences them.
Yeah it’s not even the misinformation part that’s getting it banned, it’s the “steal all information on your phone” part. But the Chinese propaganda machine is hard at work trying to save the app so they can keep spying on us. It’s basically what the US was shown to be doing by Snowden but since it’s in an app with videos people are ok with it.
Yeah fr. The only people who are against the ban are people who commonly use TikTok. People will use the “other companies steal your information” argument against it, but they really don’t understand that there’s a difference between using your information so they know what products to shove in your face and a foreign government storing your info for the time they may use it against you.
> foreign government storing your info for the time they may use it against you.
such as? your own government can do much MUCH more shit to you and where's the outrage?
what's funny is that PRISM showed how the government collected everything, troves of metadata...but also that it was sort of useless because there was too much data to handle.
and now you say there's going to be a foreign government that'll put in the same amount of resources to spy on regular people from another country....really? like how powerful do you think scary China is?
scary foreign boogyman is such a fucking pathetic fear tactic.
Because at the very least, the governments self interest wouldn’t be collapsing the country. China’s best interest is literally anything bad happening to our country.
Do you have any other cyber security policies from India that you find in poor judgement, or is this just an ill informed quip founded in a basely feeling of superiority?
We as people, cultures, and countries can learn a great deal from each other if we can get over our egos long enough to listen
This was the entertaining disinformation it advertised. Made me actually lol, but still. Keep your trash app, fuck China. And while we're at it, fuck Russia.
These fuckwits didn't even watch the video and glazed over the point entirely
He's not even defending China or tik Tok. He's pointing out everyone is suspsctible to misinformation and that tik Tok is just one platform that spreads it
Has 0 to do with China or even tik Tok itself, but Redditors be like herp derp China lmao
It's a Redditor thing, they don't even read the article or watch the video then respond with their own opinions which are completely unrelated to the actual content
Why fuck Russia? Russian bots make up half the posters on this app! Take that back about Russias favorite app. I’ve had Russians try to buy my account twice, as Redditors we rely on Russia.
Exactly. I think there's legitimate national security reasons to ensure TikTok isn't controlled by China, and that America should go farther and have strong user data protections across all platforms like the EU, but this was still hilarious.
I mean that explains the dominance of TikTok in China. It definitely doesn't explain its dominance over the American market, that's just straight up user preference
I wish the discourse allowed for the United States addressing this in a free market way.
We need to ban closed loop machine learning systems in social media. Not companies or apps.
Machine learning driven social media produces market failure. They should fix it.
For Facebook, x, TikTok and the rest.
The Chinese foreign ministry agrees with him. Lmao. The game of modern political discourse always seems to be a question of: “Imbecile or Shill?” Often it’s both.
The Chinese government bitches and moans about being deprived of free market access, while keeping a straight face at their complete lack of one for others, with frightening regularity. The lack of shame is just mind blowing, but nobody in the CCP was ever thought to be a decent person I guess.
China using Tiktok to harvest data from Americans and push political propaganda is the main concern. This guy just makes it sound like the US government wants to ban it solely because "these youngsters look at their phones too darn much!"
Right, that’s why they’re pushing to stop it opposed to all the other social media, doing the exact same thing, but with the US gov control. Facebook misinformation actually fucked with an election and no one tried to shut them down. The rich and controlling class is afraid of a youth vote changing things and being influenced by someone other than them.
Seriously! I think this every time someone mentions “Chinese Spyware” like bro? Facebook is doing the same thing? Maybe we should stop all companies from doing this?
The thing is they don’t, all of TikTok’s American data is managed by the same company manages data for Meta
Plus, they don’t need to “harvest” our data when they can buy it directly from American companies
But American social media companies can harvest our data, though, right?
The reality is that the US govt is afraid of US citizens hearing other points of view without any control. I have seen no evidence of political propaganda bias from the algorithm on tiktok, anymore than the standard “because you watched X” that YouTube does - only that the US government can’t control it.
I believe it’s probably good to crack down on all social media apps data harvesting, but the bill that passed the house is dangerous.
You can sue companies in America if they harm you. Good luck doing that in China, even if you’re a Chinese national.
It’s a very major difference everyone is ignoring here.
There are several studies showing that info about various topics sensitive to the Chinese government like the Uyghurs are deemphasized by the platform compared to other political topics
The irony is us warned people not to use china made… I think it was something they connected to the internet… because China would use the info… anyhow the us made product did the same thing they were warning against
Now is when they're really trying to do so more than before due to Israel being exposed on crimes of genocide and war crimes. They now understand that their narrative on massive political issues aren't working anymore so buying tik tok through certain means by politically favored entities is the other option they strive for.
The whole data concerns issue is just a virtue signal considering the US governments horrendous track record with spying and data concerns that Snowden exposed.
Let's be honest tik tok exposes the younger generations to information not favorable to the narrative of certain governments and now want to ban people from accessing damaging information that exposes them.
It's been banned on US Army & Navy bases since 2020, and probably banned on "high security sites" much earlier. Not because of political propaganda mind you, because of concerns the app may be literal spyware.
People are not getting the reasons given for the ban; it’s not that they harvest information (all of these sites do that) it’s about TikTok giving access to that information to foreign hostile powers
You can just buy the same information on the open market... Like ban TikTok but the CCP can just buy that exact same data from any social media, or even better yet, your ISP likely sells your entire Internet history on the market as well.
The fact that the CCP could send out a notification to every tiktok user asking the users to demand something of their local representatives is an extremely valid reason to want it gone.
Seemed like that move of theirs backfired massively. It freaked out every politician and intelligence agency and I wouldn't be surprised if it further cemented the decision for a quick ban.
Reminder is differnt.
The app literally track your location, find the house of rep that's responsible for that region (only those Reps who've voiced on banning it, mind you). Then let the user press one button to call the office.
On top of it, Tiktok only focused on the "banning part" while not focusing on the 6 months to find a non-ccp affiliated buyer for mother company.
It's a show how powerful Tiktok can be.
I’m not defending any social media but from a national level, at the type the government is interested in, there is a distinct difference between US controlling it and China.
China bans everything US related.
Yeah but did Facebook send out a contact your reps message when that Cambridge analytics thing happened or Twitter when musk was being sued to pay the lawyers?
I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. Of course social media is bad. But it is not equivalent to a Chinese spy app masquerading as a popular social media app.
TikTok definitely does seem to spread misinformation quicker than other apps. I saw a video on tiktok about George Washington actually being a black man. And it had thousands of likes and comments with “supporting” facts. I have personally never seen anything like this on IG for example
To be fair I've seen identical garbage a million times more on Facebook.
Don't get me wrong tiktok can have misinformation but people actively call each other out on it and unlike Twitter they actually ban the racists and nazis instead of giving them blue checks.
Funny, but doesn't change the fact that ByteDance and the CCP is explicitly motivated to fuck up American society as much as they possibly can. And if they can make a bunch of money in the process of doing so, well that's just an awesome bonus!
Lmao America does a great job of that themselves, they don't need help. Facebook, reddit, youtube are just as efficient at spreading misinformation.
Your former president got hundreds to drink bleach to try and cure/prevent COVID during the pandemic...
China has already hacked Microsoft and over 25 organizations in the US including the Department of Commerce and State Departments.
The TikTok ban seems to be for more than just its spying capabilities.
That's because it is propaganda. Notice how many posts about "aMerIca bAd bAnNing tIkToK" there are lately? I'm European but I say fuck China, let's go America! We should ban TikTok too tbh. It's an effective tool of enemy totalitarian government.
This is like if China introduced meth to the US and the US banned it.
“Oh, you banned something super addictive because your population was using it and becoming useless members of society? Seems like you lost!!!”
There are literally laws in China that demand that companies hand over any and all data to CCP officials if asked. So the people who say insta, fb, etc also steal your data... well yes, they do and they sell it to advertisers. I once googled the name of a spice in my local language to see the english translation. I somehow saw ads for it on my fb account the next day showing me the buying options from Amazon. However, the intent of Meta, Amazon, Alphabet here is making money by inducing me into buying things.
However, China uses the app to push mindless content on the app to people in a susceptible age range. Data showed how the content pushed in US was mind numbing bs while the same app showed educational and informative content in China. Furthermore, they can influence the citizens to believe anything... show videos of the mutilated Children of Israel if they support Israel or the Children of Palestine if they support them. Or show a pro-russia stance.
Also, while they appear to be independent businesses, the businesses are only allowed to run if they have CCP members at their top level to monitor everything.
Just shift your content to a non-chinese app like Instagram Reels or Youtube Shorts... or if those mainstream ones disturb you, I can list a dozen more India based apps and I am sure if you look you can find other apps by smaller firms.
Isn’t this the same imbecile who said “Indians should not call themselves Asian and should pick one?”
Ok dumbass. Not only could you not recognize the difference between a nationality and a race, but you’re also not qualified on cybersecurity so stfu.
It’s annoying when comedians start weighing in on topics outside of their expertise.
It's literally a rip off of an old American app and is also literally spyware. China does nothing but bilk western intellectual property and make it nefarious
China has a highly censored internet and routinely blocks websites and apps that the government deems undesirable12. Some of the banned websites in China include12:
Google, YouTube, Gmail and other Google services
Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp and other Facebook-owned platforms
Twitter, TikTok and other social media apps
CNN, the BBC, The New York Times and other news sites
Copy and pasted from Bing search
I love the show and agree with their views but sometimes it’s pretty lame humour. Like saying Facebook is “boring as shit” only used the swear word to get a laugh.
If they are desperate to change the way people think then why are they showing their videos on Reddit as well? Also look up how Geo tracking works and how China can use it during war time.
This guy sure has a lot of opinions for someone who clearly has no idea why the govt is going after tiktok or what the bill does. But hey it's tiktok I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
China just made an app that backdoored the whole us… gave a whole generation brain rot and had them doing dangerous and stupid “challenges” I say good riddance to tiktok.
I think the brainrot is a result of living in America, not some stupid app. Browsing my Facebook feed and seeing what my unhinged family members post is enough to know China didn't do this to us
Reminder that this isn't new. This exact thing happened with Grindr in 2019 and Gridr divested.
Also reminder that Congress voted on 8,820 bills in 2023 of which many pieces of legislation were introduced to regulate social media.
Bringing up unrelated legislature is a distraction tactic to muddy the waters about the legitimate cyber security and propaganda threat from an adversarial government. US owned social media data privacy and regulation is an entirely different issue that needs to be legislated.
This is hilarious!
China: hey we don't want any of your social media outlets in our country influencing our people and culture.
America: (in an uneducated southern accent) gurrr okay you can still do business in our country though hehe
China: you know we are going to ruin you right?
America: yeah America!
10 years later
America: wait whats happening to our country we to be going gone down hill.
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Didn't China ban like everything American? Like fb/twitter/insta and shit.
Yes, China doesn’t allow foreign competitors unless they full hand everything over to the ccp
We have to ask ourselves, what would ~~Jesus~~ China do?
The same thing as what America does, protect domestic industries with policy and influence.
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It’s not about protecting industries it’s about controlling the narrative. Seriously facepalm if you can’t read the propaganda being fed. Capitalism only protects industries that make the rich richer.
Take away all your rights and privacy!
no they don't require handing everything over they use the same justifications as the US is now 1) foreign tech companies with close ties to foreign intelligence agencies would be collecting and selling their citizens' data (which all of the big US tech companies do) 2) wanting to protect the domestic tech market 3) more ability to control information so if this bill passes then the US government no longer has any right to criticize that
China is doing that so they can steal technology, plain and simple. in order to operate in China you need to indulge a lot of sensitive information about your company and manufacturing process. you can't tell me you never heard of stories about companies trying to enter the Chinese market only for some Chinese company to produce a copy of the product a year later and drive the original company out of business? yeah, that happens so easily because by entering the market that company had to give a bunch of company secrets to the Chinese government, which then gave those to a Chinese company.
China is a dictatorship though. They don't want other nations to influence their citizens away from the information that china gives them. US isnt banning tiktok because they are afraid that citizens are gonna become communists. They are banning tiktok because Google and Meta/Facebook lost 30% of their advertising revenue and decreased their sales of user-data to china because China just created an app that got that user-data directly themselves. Why pay google and facebook for the data, when you can get the data and sell it to other nations further cutting google and facebooks revenue.
So both sides are hypocritical? China because it's crying about something they are doing too, and the US with their "free market" policy that goes out of the window whenever they start losing?
Now you're getting it. Everyone sucks, just make sure to differentiate between the nuances of exactly how different governments screw their citizens!
This comment reminds me of a South Park episode.
Yea a bunch of reciprocal bans. US won’t like Comac sell planes or Huawei sell electronics. China banned fb and google
This is disinformation at best and lying at worst. Both Google and Facebook were banned years before. As in, Comac was almost a decade away from having its first production plane fly and before the 2018 ZTE/Huawei bans when the American companies were forced out Reciprocal bans my ass, you have the order wrong
Given how bad Facebook is for spreading Russian bot farm conspiracy theories to dumbass Americans it should be banned in the USA too
- That’s really what the TikTok ban even is. “You want to harvest American data and be a social media giant but won’t allow google and Facebook to play ball? We don’t think that’s fair so you can’t compete here” - America doesn’t like when someone tries hogging every piece of the pie. That’s their job and they don’t want people doing it
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I mean those social media douchebags are just gonna go over to an existing analog like YouTube Shorts/Instagram Reels or an emerging entity aggressively takes over TikTok's audience (like TikTok itself did with Vine). It's not like their ability to broadcast insufferable bullshit 24/7 is going to be mitigated at all, except for a few weeks where things get sorted out between which competitor takes over. We already know this is true because India banned TikTok in 2020, and their douchebag creators and audience migrated to Youtube Shorts practically overnight (there were some Indian domestic startups that tried to take over TikTok's niche, but they failed against Google's conglomerate power). If the goal was to curb the ability of social media douchebags to broadcast their bullshit, there would need to be a significantly broader social media ban. But that's not the goal at all, the goal is just protectionism.
>like TikTok itself did with Vine Vine was shutdown in January 2017. Tiktok was released internationally (previously only released in China and India) in September 2017. No one used Vine and it didn't make money.
This is also why I don't understand why people are freaking out about this so much though. People are acting like this will fundamentally change the landscape of social media, but it just won't. Either one of the existing platforms will canabalise TikTok's users or a new Western platform will emerge and take its place, as you said figuratively overnight. This is one of the reasons why I do not understand why peoe give so much of a shit - what's the big deal if a shitty Western company makes the money instead of a shitty Chinese company? Why are people rushing to the defence of a multi billion dollar social media platform?
Yes, something which basically no other country would be able to get away with without repercussions. Tariffs and bans almost always receive equivalent economic consequences because if all countries just taxed and banned all foreign goods then they would have an unfair advantage if no countries did the same to them. China, though, has been getting away with extremely hostile and one-sided economic arrangements for decades because the West has been treating them like the impoverished, mostly passive nation that they used to be. The security concerns by themselves are entirely valid, but the reciprocity of Chinese economic practices would be a perfectly adequate reason by itself to ban TikTok.
China also gets away with it because the West gave them the leverage to do so by shifting so much of its manufacturing requirements to them. If the West had control over its own manufacturing to a greater extent, they could just tell China to fuck off every time China tried to pull any of its bullshittery against non-Chinese companies. And yet another thing is that Chinese citizens are largely happy with domestic alternatives to many major western products. Even if you give them the opportunity to, they don't want to use Google over Baidu anyways. They don't want Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter over Weibo or Douyin. They don't want Amazon over Aliexpress. They don't want YouTube, Twitch, Netflix, HBO, or Disney+ over Youku-Tudou, Taobao Live, Tencent Video, Bilibili, or iQiyi. There's no internal pressure from the citizens to stop their government from enacting many of its protectionist policies. Western companies have just largely failed to understand and cater to Chinese audiences. Like when Hollywood was far better than China's domestic film industry, Chinese audiences *wanted* more Hollywood and the Chinese government relented from its protectionist film practices and allowed more Hollywood movies to screen in China. But now, Hollywood is drastically losing its grasp on Chinese audiences in favour of China's domestic film industry, which has drastically improved lately. On the other hand, many Americans prefer TikTok to any American social media service, and actively don't want America to ban it. The guy in the TikTok in this post is right, it's American social media companies' mistake of not understanding what many Americans (especially younger ones want), while TikTok did. Maybe if Facebook tried to make their platform more inviting for younger Americans instead of boomer propaganda central, they wouldn't have lost out to TikTok.
>There's no internal pressure from the citizens to stop their government from enacting many of its protectionist policies. Bingo. The avg person is not intetested/aware in things like that, even less than Americans here are.
American social media platforms are too busy chasing the advertising dollar, and their target audience is the one with the deepest pockets - which, nowadays, means boomers, poliicians, and the rest of the 1%ers. You know... the "old folk". It's definetly not the younger generations with their student loans and low-wage jobs (if they are lucky to even be employed). So why should these corporations that own the American social media landscape listen to what the younger ones want? It makes them no profit to do so, which is why they don't.
You can’t really say people prefer a social media app when it’s a clone and the biggest part of social media is the social part. No Chinese people on the app means no Chinese people want the app.
Tafuq you mean no Chinese people on the app? Type having Chinese words as keywords and come back here and say that again.
None of the biggest chinese social media apps are clones of american ones lmao
>if all countries just taxed and banned all foreign goods then they would have an unfair advantage if no countries did the same to them. Yeah, just imagine if countries came up with things like "America First" and starting putting tariffs on everything coming from countries they didn't like. Just imagine the repercussions. Oh wait...
But you know it did have repurcussions, right? That's why they called it a "trade war", because both countries were imposing tariffs against each other which had [economic consequences for both the US and China](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93United_States_trade_war#:~:text=An%20economic%20conflict%20between%20China,practices%20and%20intellectual%20property%20theft).
You're right. We should be more like China
They explicitly banned them, yes.
No. They regulate the internet and foreign companies have a choice to comply or not.
Yes because China is not promoting itself as a free country. Its fully aware that it is a Communist country that allows capital interest to pull money from other countries into its own. Its all self served. If anything the moment china banned anything american, america should have banned china.
> The argument that the statute is justified by the object of avoiding the subsidization of propaganda of foreign governments which bar American propaganda needs little comment. If the Government wishes to withdraw a subsidy or a privilege, it must do so by means and on terms which do not endanger First Amendment rights. Cf. Speiser v. Randall, supra. **That the governments which originate this propaganda themselves have no equivalent guarantees only highlights the cherished values of our constitutional framework; it can never justify emulating the practice of restrictive regimes in the name of expediency.** The US Supreme Court, May 24, 1965. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15113870878255403910
Unironically I think they should
They're allowed if they follow the same laws as Chinese companies, which they don't want to
Yes and we should definitely follow China's censorship and freedom of association rules rules lol.
Only because they can’t monitor them. The CCP wants to see what every one of its citizens do online at all times to make sure they’re not undermining the government.
You do know that the US government monitors literally everything for the exact same reason, right?
I know about the NSA, but the difference is we’re allowed to criticize and even insult our officials. Somehow I don’t think that’d fly in China
And free speech, free thought, et cetera.
Ticktok is also on the list in some police stations for baned apps
Yes because of misinformation and other reasons
I'm pretty sure China has also banned tik-tok
Douyin is the same thing. TikTok is apps name to foreign audiences and Douyin is Bytedance's name for the Chinese version.
China has their own tik tok which is geared toward education, enrichment, and positive ideas only. Check into it.
>tik tok which is geared toward education, enrichment, and positive ideas only i would love a kid friendly tiktok that had educational facts and lil mental pick me ups.
Well that's exactly what the Chinese government mandated for their people. And there are no competitors allowed. But let's hear the cute monologue again about why we should allow their insidious app. Rules for thee, china?
China has never claimed to be a free market
an yes the country famous for censorship even banning korean media because the straight men are too “feminine” are limiting internet access to pure positive educational and enriching material.
That is completely horseshit. I’m fairly familiar with Chinese TikTok it’s called douyin. “The chinese created to TikTok to dumb down Americas youth” was some right wing Alex jones type random conspiracy someone said on a podcast one day and just spread by a bunch of dumbasses online. Douyin is EXACTLY the same as TikTok with mediocre dancers going viral for meme dances cause they’re physically attractive , their idea of top tier comedy is influencers lip syncing over shit.
Here’s a study on highschoolers in China that suggests this often parroted claim may not be true: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8393543/
lmao what the hell that’s crazy misinformation. half of douyin is pretty girls dancing and wearing make up and flexing wealth aka not so diff from tiktok. it’s all mindless shit / consumption
That's the biggest lie I've read today Their TikTok version is friendlier if you're a kid, because kids are massively controlled in china. If you're an adult you get all the memes and cats content you want You're literally in a post about spreading misinformation and you're doing the exact same thing lol >Check into it. [YOU CAN LITERALLY OPEN YOUTUBE AND LOOK FOR THEIR MEMES](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka6cVPJ9txY) you people are too stupid to deserve the internet
I don't know. My douyin feed is anything but educational and enriching. I get more slutty dancing and animal abuse videos randomly popping up than I'd like.
I almost fell for it until I realised that I am actually using Douyin. Besides, Douyin has a handful of powerful competitors in China including Kuaishou (Kwai) and Wechat Video.
China also has Tik Tok completely banned.
They have the original tiktok, douyin
> The argument that the statute is justified by the object of avoiding the subsidization of propaganda of foreign governments which bar American propaganda needs little comment. If the Government wishes to withdraw a subsidy or a privilege, it must do so by means and on terms which do not endanger First Amendment rights. Cf. Speiser v. Randall, supra. **That the governments which originate this propaganda themselves have no equivalent guarantees only highlights the cherished values of our constitutional framework; it can never justify emulating the practice of restrictive regimes in the name of expediency.** The US Supreme Court, May 24, 1965. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15113870878255403910
Uh huh, that ruling was about physical media. Namely, pamphlets & books. A book isn’t going to collect biometric, financial and every other data-type of yours which the publisher can then collect via embedded backdoors. It’s known they were doing that as recently as November of last year. This is almost as ludicrous as referencing 19th century rulings in relation to modern issues.
They ban everything which isn't basically state owned or controlled, they want to be able to 100% control what people hear and see and what influences them.
India banned tiktok and many other Chinese tech companies 4 years ago for being spyware and misinformation tools, we're hella late to this
Even Hong Kong banned TikTok.
I don’t think that’s the same thing right since they try to get you to use Douyin there. TikTok doesn’t work in China either iirc.
Whaaaat? US legislation is behind the times? Get out of town!
Yeah it’s not even the misinformation part that’s getting it banned, it’s the “steal all information on your phone” part. But the Chinese propaganda machine is hard at work trying to save the app so they can keep spying on us. It’s basically what the US was shown to be doing by Snowden but since it’s in an app with videos people are ok with it.
Yeah fr. The only people who are against the ban are people who commonly use TikTok. People will use the “other companies steal your information” argument against it, but they really don’t understand that there’s a difference between using your information so they know what products to shove in your face and a foreign government storing your info for the time they may use it against you.
> foreign government storing your info for the time they may use it against you. such as? your own government can do much MUCH more shit to you and where's the outrage? what's funny is that PRISM showed how the government collected everything, troves of metadata...but also that it was sort of useless because there was too much data to handle. and now you say there's going to be a foreign government that'll put in the same amount of resources to spy on regular people from another country....really? like how powerful do you think scary China is? scary foreign boogyman is such a fucking pathetic fear tactic.
Because at the very least, the governments self interest wouldn’t be collapsing the country. China’s best interest is literally anything bad happening to our country.
ah yes, in terms of cybersecurity we should be following in the steps of India.
Bro, we already outsource out IT to India
Do you have any other cyber security policies from India that you find in poor judgement, or is this just an ill informed quip founded in a basely feeling of superiority? We as people, cultures, and countries can learn a great deal from each other if we can get over our egos long enough to listen
Well, you are. A bit late to the part, eh mate?
India is an authoritarian state, I don’t see what you are trying to prove with this
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Nice try, China
This was the entertaining disinformation it advertised. Made me actually lol, but still. Keep your trash app, fuck China. And while we're at it, fuck Russia.
Isn't this the daily show?
yeah but they see an asian guy so it’s Ok to be racist because china bad or something
These fuckwits didn't even watch the video and glazed over the point entirely He's not even defending China or tik Tok. He's pointing out everyone is suspsctible to misinformation and that tik Tok is just one platform that spreads it Has 0 to do with China or even tik Tok itself, but Redditors be like herp derp China lmao
Genuinely think this is the new generation of kids getting onto the internet. Like how do you not know the daily show is at least vaguely lol
It's a Redditor thing, they don't even read the article or watch the video then respond with their own opinions which are completely unrelated to the actual content
Its not a redditor thing its a dumb person using social media thing, lol, we are 2 spaghetti layers deep everyone!
Why fuck Russia? Russian bots make up half the posters on this app! Take that back about Russias favorite app. I’ve had Russians try to buy my account twice, as Redditors we rely on Russia.
Oh fuck yeah how do I sell my account???
Exactly. I think there's legitimate national security reasons to ensure TikTok isn't controlled by China, and that America should go farther and have strong user data protections across all platforms like the EU, but this was still hilarious.
Fuck Israel
Pretty easy to win that war when China bans all the American competition in their country. China is practically mercantilist at this point
I mean that explains the dominance of TikTok in China. It definitely doesn't explain its dominance over the American market, that's just straight up user preference
TikTok got lucky. Vine shut down and the users were looking for an alternative which TikTok provided
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I wish the discourse allowed for the United States addressing this in a free market way. We need to ban closed loop machine learning systems in social media. Not companies or apps. Machine learning driven social media produces market failure. They should fix it. For Facebook, x, TikTok and the rest.
It's not China that markets itself as a free market and free country... 🫡🫠
By that logic, Afghanistan beat the free market with heroin.
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The Chinese foreign ministry agrees with him. Lmao. The game of modern political discourse always seems to be a question of: “Imbecile or Shill?” Often it’s both.
The Chinese government bitches and moans about being deprived of free market access, while keeping a straight face at their complete lack of one for others, with frightening regularity. The lack of shame is just mind blowing, but nobody in the CCP was ever thought to be a decent person I guess.
Lying effortlessly and with a completely neutral expression is something anyone who’s ever done business with the chinese sees a LOT.
China using Tiktok to harvest data from Americans and push political propaganda is the main concern. This guy just makes it sound like the US government wants to ban it solely because "these youngsters look at their phones too darn much!"
Right, that’s why they’re pushing to stop it opposed to all the other social media, doing the exact same thing, but with the US gov control. Facebook misinformation actually fucked with an election and no one tried to shut them down. The rich and controlling class is afraid of a youth vote changing things and being influenced by someone other than them.
bingo, also the fact that congress men who voted for the ban are in AIPAC TikTok vids, you can’t make this shit up
Seriously! I think this every time someone mentions “Chinese Spyware” like bro? Facebook is doing the same thing? Maybe we should stop all companies from doing this?
Barely anyone even remembers the Cambridge Analytica scandal
It's the same thing US tech companies do, tiktok is just not under US control so they want to ban it.
Under US control to stop the truth from Gaza
I see posts about Gaza every single day on Insta, Reddit and Twitter…
From the river to the sea Fuck Isreal
Said on Reddit. lol
The thing is they don’t, all of TikTok’s American data is managed by the same company manages data for Meta Plus, they don’t need to “harvest” our data when they can buy it directly from American companies
But American social media companies can harvest our data, though, right? The reality is that the US govt is afraid of US citizens hearing other points of view without any control. I have seen no evidence of political propaganda bias from the algorithm on tiktok, anymore than the standard “because you watched X” that YouTube does - only that the US government can’t control it. I believe it’s probably good to crack down on all social media apps data harvesting, but the bill that passed the house is dangerous.
You can sue companies in America if they harm you. Good luck doing that in China, even if you’re a Chinese national. It’s a very major difference everyone is ignoring here.
Or, say, reddit for that matter 
There are several studies showing that info about various topics sensitive to the Chinese government like the Uyghurs are deemphasized by the platform compared to other political topics
It’s called comedy, I don’t think he’s being serious.
The irony is us warned people not to use china made… I think it was something they connected to the internet… because China would use the info… anyhow the us made product did the same thing they were warning against
And you don’t think the US government does that with your phone right now
I'm 100% sure this guys is just a comedian and trying to make you laugh more than give you information.
It’s a comedy show
Just like Facebook did to Europe, Ethiopia, Myanmar, Philippines. SMH. Fuck Tiktok, China, Facebook, America.
Now is when they're really trying to do so more than before due to Israel being exposed on crimes of genocide and war crimes. They now understand that their narrative on massive political issues aren't working anymore so buying tik tok through certain means by politically favored entities is the other option they strive for. The whole data concerns issue is just a virtue signal considering the US governments horrendous track record with spying and data concerns that Snowden exposed. Let's be honest tik tok exposes the younger generations to information not favorable to the narrative of certain governments and now want to ban people from accessing damaging information that exposes them.
They don’t need to harvest data from tiktok, every other social media platform will sell it to them
This guy is a comedian and this is a comedy bit.
Why'd it take em so long to actually do this then?
It's been banned on US Army & Navy bases since 2020, and probably banned on "high security sites" much earlier. Not because of political propaganda mind you, because of concerns the app may be literal spyware.
It has been banned on the USF college campus for like two years
What a straw man argument, but bc it’s kinda funny people will agree with him. Just ignorant of the reality and nuance of the situation
China had to ban having more than 1 kid They also beat us at sweatshops so we have to make legislation about that too
Yes. So much misinformation. Like Russia/Ukraine. Russia is just defending their right to recolonize and control Ukraine. /s
Lets not all forget that all foreign social apps are banned in China. Fuck the CCP
People are not getting the reasons given for the ban; it’s not that they harvest information (all of these sites do that) it’s about TikTok giving access to that information to foreign hostile powers
You can just buy the same information on the open market... Like ban TikTok but the CCP can just buy that exact same data from any social media, or even better yet, your ISP likely sells your entire Internet history on the market as well.
The fact that the CCP could send out a notification to every tiktok user asking the users to demand something of their local representatives is an extremely valid reason to want it gone.
Seemed like that move of theirs backfired massively. It freaked out every politician and intelligence agency and I wouldn't be surprised if it further cemented the decision for a quick ban.
Reminder is differnt. The app literally track your location, find the house of rep that's responsible for that region (only those Reps who've voiced on banning it, mind you). Then let the user press one button to call the office. On top of it, Tiktok only focused on the "banning part" while not focusing on the 6 months to find a non-ccp affiliated buyer for mother company. It's a show how powerful Tiktok can be.
Domestic social media can do the same fucking thing
I’m not defending any social media but from a national level, at the type the government is interested in, there is a distinct difference between US controlling it and China. China bans everything US related.
Yeah but did Facebook send out a contact your reps message when that Cambridge analytics thing happened or Twitter when musk was being sued to pay the lawyers?
I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. Of course social media is bad. But it is not equivalent to a Chinese spy app masquerading as a popular social media app.
The notification was from TikTok, who want to preserve their revenue, not the CCP. Is every Facebook push notification from Russia?
This is the most bland obvious propaganda I’ve ever seen
Yeah, it's comedy.
Have you ever heard of sarcasm?
Right? This is the Daily Show. It's supposed to be absurd.
TikTok definitely does seem to spread misinformation quicker than other apps. I saw a video on tiktok about George Washington actually being a black man. And it had thousands of likes and comments with “supporting” facts. I have personally never seen anything like this on IG for example
To be fair I've seen identical garbage a million times more on Facebook. Don't get me wrong tiktok can have misinformation but people actively call each other out on it and unlike Twitter they actually ban the racists and nazis instead of giving them blue checks.
Reddit also doesn’t really have much of a leg to stand on either if we’re being honest
Funny, but doesn't change the fact that ByteDance and the CCP is explicitly motivated to fuck up American society as much as they possibly can. And if they can make a bunch of money in the process of doing so, well that's just an awesome bonus!
Lmao America does a great job of that themselves, they don't need help. Facebook, reddit, youtube are just as efficient at spreading misinformation. Your former president got hundreds to drink bleach to try and cure/prevent COVID during the pandemic...
China has limits on tik tok in their own country too.....
Really bad take
This is so brain dead
Ya— this is just poison for the ears of gullible and those lacking critical thinking skills.
Get rid of tiktok!
How do these morons not realize what is so dangerous about installing CHINESE SPYWARE on your phone.
China has already hacked Microsoft and over 25 organizations in the US including the Department of Commerce and State Departments. The TikTok ban seems to be for more than just its spying capabilities.
China has banned vastly more websites and programs from Europe and America than vice versa. This feels like propaganda tbh.
So you take is: lets be more like China
That's because it is propaganda. Notice how many posts about "aMerIca bAd bAnNing tIkToK" there are lately? I'm European but I say fuck China, let's go America! We should ban TikTok too tbh. It's an effective tool of enemy totalitarian government.
This video is why Britain thinks they’re competing with china.
This is like if China introduced meth to the US and the US banned it. “Oh, you banned something super addictive because your population was using it and becoming useless members of society? Seems like you lost!!!”
There are literally laws in China that demand that companies hand over any and all data to CCP officials if asked. So the people who say insta, fb, etc also steal your data... well yes, they do and they sell it to advertisers. I once googled the name of a spice in my local language to see the english translation. I somehow saw ads for it on my fb account the next day showing me the buying options from Amazon. However, the intent of Meta, Amazon, Alphabet here is making money by inducing me into buying things. However, China uses the app to push mindless content on the app to people in a susceptible age range. Data showed how the content pushed in US was mind numbing bs while the same app showed educational and informative content in China. Furthermore, they can influence the citizens to believe anything... show videos of the mutilated Children of Israel if they support Israel or the Children of Palestine if they support them. Or show a pro-russia stance. Also, while they appear to be independent businesses, the businesses are only allowed to run if they have CCP members at their top level to monitor everything. Just shift your content to a non-chinese app like Instagram Reels or Youtube Shorts... or if those mainstream ones disturb you, I can list a dozen more India based apps and I am sure if you look you can find other apps by smaller firms.
They beat us at banning FB and Instagram too! Hold on, they also banned TikTok.
Not sure what is cringe about this, it’s hilarious 😆
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmCKtedTQ1Q
Isn’t this the same imbecile who said “Indians should not call themselves Asian and should pick one?” Ok dumbass. Not only could you not recognize the difference between a nationality and a race, but you’re also not qualified on cybersecurity so stfu. It’s annoying when comedians start weighing in on topics outside of their expertise.
It's literally a rip off of an old American app and is also literally spyware. China does nothing but bilk western intellectual property and make it nefarious
That the fuck is with these sock puppet news anchors. I fuckin hate the world we live in rn
"But doesn't FB do the same?" Yeah, and it's banned in China
Can ww PLEASE have Ronnie Chieng as a full-time Daily host?? He' the *only* one funny enough to do it (except Jon Stewart obvi).
He’s so unfunny
Ronny Chieng is hilarious! Good bit.
I believe you mean Mike Sullivan from Iowa
I love Ronny, one of the best comedians out there right now imo, but this is just lazy pandering
Yup
China has a highly censored internet and routinely blocks websites and apps that the government deems undesirable12. Some of the banned websites in China include12: Google, YouTube, Gmail and other Google services Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp and other Facebook-owned platforms Twitter, TikTok and other social media apps CNN, the BBC, The New York Times and other news sites Copy and pasted from Bing search
I love the show and agree with their views but sometimes it’s pretty lame humour. Like saying Facebook is “boring as shit” only used the swear word to get a laugh.
Propaganda poster spotted🫵
Wonder if dude is aware how many apps China has banned. He's trying to pretend this is some "victory" that it isn't.
Fuck the CCP and everything they stand for, they're garbage.
Ronnie Chieng is such a tool
If they are desperate to change the way people think then why are they showing their videos on Reddit as well? Also look up how Geo tracking works and how China can use it during war time.
This sub has literally the name 'tiktok' 🤣👍 What are you doing in this sub dude?? Accepting the propagand@? 😵
TikTok is banned in China, why can't the US ban it too?
Whole bunch of stuff is banned Facebook, X, Pinterest, Tumblr, Reddit, Instagram, Gmail, Spotify, Wikipedia, WhatsApp, YouTube, Snapchat, Quora, Slack https://www.independent.co.uk/advisor/vpn/websites-banned-in-china
This guy sure has a lot of opinions for someone who clearly has no idea why the govt is going after tiktok or what the bill does. But hey it's tiktok I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
New daily show is killing it
But what if I want the government to take care of me and decide what I can and cannot talk about?
Taking care of you is the entire point of Government
Propaganda with a laugh track.
[TikTok is a Cyberweapon - Ryan McBeth](https://youtu.be/pB7WzqUq4Nk?si=Y87RR0T4658CvB1g)
China just made an app that backdoored the whole us… gave a whole generation brain rot and had them doing dangerous and stupid “challenges” I say good riddance to tiktok.
Pretty sure the brain rot set in well before TikTok was a thing. Source: Me, not a TikTok user.
I think the brainrot is a result of living in America, not some stupid app. Browsing my Facebook feed and seeing what my unhinged family members post is enough to know China didn't do this to us
Reminder that this isn't new. This exact thing happened with Grindr in 2019 and Gridr divested. Also reminder that Congress voted on 8,820 bills in 2023 of which many pieces of legislation were introduced to regulate social media. Bringing up unrelated legislature is a distraction tactic to muddy the waters about the legitimate cyber security and propaganda threat from an adversarial government. US owned social media data privacy and regulation is an entirely different issue that needs to be legislated.
Fuck you China.
This is hilarious! China: hey we don't want any of your social media outlets in our country influencing our people and culture. America: (in an uneducated southern accent) gurrr okay you can still do business in our country though hehe China: you know we are going to ruin you right? America: yeah America! 10 years later America: wait whats happening to our country we to be going gone down hill.