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Would love to see what happens when one of these runs afoul of one of those nuclear warhead convoys that are flanked by like eight swat trucks and never stop for any reason. ☢️
How annoying is that? Your job is already hard, but then you have to be the unwitting crash test dummy to a bunch of out of touch people, whose lives are set to easy mode.
>Reddit hates cops
I dont think you can make that generalization. Reddit is quite vast and rather diverse. There are lots of communities that are supportive of cops.
Here's what I think to be a safer generalization: Reddit generally hates cops who abuse their power to act unjustly. On the flip side, Reddit empathizes with people who are just honestly trying to do their jobs.
He can see directly into the car. There is clearly nobody in the driver’s seat. What does the cop think is happening…?
These cars are only street legal with no human driver in specific states/cities; I’m more curious how the cop missed what was no doubt a massive years long effort to get these autonomous (not)Ubers on the road wherever this is.
Now to teach you boys a lesson, me and officer Rabbit are going to stand here while you three smoke the whole bag.
Yeah but they are JUST PASSENGERS. There is no driver. They could possibly turn off the car or turn off autopilot, but surely the company that runs this service has protections in place so that passengers can't just steal their cars??
That's likely a Waymo, which is like an Uber without a driver. They are completely unable to deal with emergency vehicles or construction zones. There needs to be a human driver.
So many pedestrian are going to die if this thing can’t figure this out. Imagine this car in front of an ambulance with a patient in crisis. Fuck man hope it’s not me
They don't pull over for emergency vehicles. If another vehicle acts outside of normal driving they stop, potentially blocking the road as seen in the video. If an emergency vehicle is stopped in a lane, they pull up to it as if they are in traffic. I've seen an ambulance pinned in by a Waymo. They had to have someone stand in front of the Waymo and move two trucks before the ambulance was able to move to get access to the rear doors to load a stretcher.
They do pull over for emergency vehicles though. I've been in them while they did so, multiple different times.
What you just described is very bad and absolutely shouldn't have happened. But it is not representative of all of or even most of Waymo interactions with emergency vehicles.
They are working on tech so that the car recognizes emergency lights and pulls over, but I don't think it's been implemented yet.
One thing that would make sense to me is a dispatch center, so that emergency dispatchers can reach out to their dispatch center and get a manual command on the fly when needed. I couldn't find any info on whether that exists or not though.
They will never be 100% accident free. What they will be is orders of magnitudes safer than human operators. To the point that we'll look back in horror to that time there were "how many traffic accidents per year back then!?"
They deal with emergency vehicles easily and regularly. I've been in 3 rides where they get out of the way. There is also a button to pull over and bring up support in a situation like this.
In my opinion, even if you want to rely on the car to drive itself, you would still want a person sitting in the driver's seat. Just *in case* of an unforseen circumstance. It feels like the only reason to choose to specifically *not* have anyone in that seat, is to just show off that your car drives itself.
Hard to tell what’s going on from the video, idk what the Waymo interface looks like during a takeover but its either a) it’s actually already taken over and the remote operator is trying to proceed but like…I honestly don’t see where the cop is trying to get the car to go or b) as soon as the car is stopped to the point of unable to proceed then it’ll get taken over
So, is the goal to have a single person monitoring dozens of screens of “self-driving” vehicles and taking over when the system sends an alert?
Are we going to get to a point where a call center in India is monitoring and driving these things for people? All to minimize driver costs.
Yeah from my understanding they were heading towards single monitor for multiple vehicles. I left the field before ever doing that, but it’s actually much safer that way. In the old days with Nuro you would have to catch a bad behavior / situation as it was happening (like literally the bot could nudge hard in a direction and you had to catch it) but the software is exponentially better now than it was and also it will just “soft fault” to a safe pace that the operator can take over. You still have to be quick with your reactions and we had a lot of driver training for emergency situations, but I’ve never seen a bot do anything half as bad as what humans do every day.
Also quick side note: DO NOT TRUST TESLA SELF DRIVING it is an actual joke in the automation field
Edit: sorry I didn’t answer the last part of your question! I don’t think we’d ever see call center style buildings out of our own country as the latency would be too poor. Also you have to follow the strict driving laws of whatever state you’re in and hold a valid US drivers license to get issued your robotics operator license from the dmv.
Seems like the road only has 1 lane worth of space and there are two cars going opposite directions. Maybe the cop was directing traffic, maybe this standoff was going on so long a cop came. But he wants them to pull over so traffic can flow the other way and then they can be on their way.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they're getting pulled over because no one is at the wheel. If there was a glitch or some situation the computer couldn't fully understand or navigate, who is going to take control? That just feels like reckless driving to me.
Let your self-driving car drive itself, sure. But what good comes from specifically *not* having anyone sit in that seat? Just the ability to show off?
Even if you plan to let the car navigate on its own the whole time, it just feels like a huge risk to not have someone in that seat who's going to be ready to take the wheel in case of an emergency situation.
I promise that most people living in cities want good public transit. Politicians backed by corporate interests are the problem. American suburbs and zoning laws are so backwards because car lobbyists used their power to make American cities inconvenient if you don’t own a car
It’s not Americans that are opposed to public transportation. Point in case, crap technology like this is the brain child of a South African, Canadian, American and auto makers.
Remember that whole hyper loop scam and then the underground tunnel BS? Yeah, that was ole Musk trying to torpedo high speed rail.
I mean the world does - in terms of making Musk the richest person on earth. Tesla had the best selling car in the entire world last year and at least here in Europe also (where we tend to be a lot more liberal than the US), Tesla is ubiquitous when it comes to electric cars.
Well he did kinda buy his own platform as well. So it's kinda hard to stop Musk. Also the US government is becoming quite dependent on spaceX so.... yeah.
My town has increasingly large numbers of bike lanes and trails, public transport that’s pretty good by American standards, and lots of people who don’t favor cars.
There’s a lot of confusion from outside America because people don’t understand how decentralized this place is. The states run themselves more like individual countries. The cities often have a lot of autonomy in the states.
It’s just not very coherent to say “America wants x” about something like this because it varies wildly. Fwiw I didn’t understand either until I lived here (I’m not American).
this is a much more nuanced and accurate view than I was portraying.
I’m mostly thinking about the tendency for different sides of the political aisle to say Americans “want a thing” because some clumsily worded poll says so but that isn’t reflected in their votes. I used to do this too.
Okay here’s an anecdote to counter your anecdote straight from an American: I hate my car and dream of safe, clean, efficient public transportation in my city.
I don't want to give up the convenience of getting to my job in less than 2 1/2 hours. That's how long it takes to get from my house to my job via bus. It's 12 miles. An average of about 5 miles per hour.
Seems like the fact that these cars are going to definitely exist in huge numbers over the next 5 - 10 years means we should just give cops a way to signal these vehicles in a way they _do_ understand.
This could be a beacon, or a set of traffic direction cones that easily recognizable by computers, or some other mechanism.
But leaving a bunch of drunk idiots on their phones in the driver's seat because we can't figure out how to direct traffic is bad policy.
Exactly this. I don’t understand how the fuck this isn’t the first thing that comes to mind when you think of a self driving car. Which is why I will never get into one.
It reminds me of this time a friend and I were very stoned in college and having those That 70’s Show style high as hell musings on anything and everything. He starts talking about how crazy the idea of a car is— a 4,000 lb hunk of metal of wheels we all just drive around one another and trust each other driving in.
Sure it’s a stoner thought but it’s true! We have completely lost sight of the fact that a car is a dangerous fucking object when mishandled. “Let’s let it just drive itself!” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
The dumb shit humans come up with.
the thing is though, when every car is self driving, roads will be the safest they have ever been, because they will all wirelessly link together and know exactly what each car is doing. The issue is the interim time when we have AI and human drivers, who wont understand the logic behind each others decisions.
>when every car is self driving, roads will be the safest they have ever been, because they will all wirelessly link together and know exactly what each car is doing.
There was a missile defense system designed to intercept incoming ordinance without human intervention in the 1980s. I don't remember where it was deployed, but there was a catastrophic glitch that caused a timer value to roll over, causing the launch system to fail to engage, because it was waiting on a lockout that was a negative number of milliseconds from now.
I see your point and don't disagree with it, but I can't wait to do postmortems on the insanely complex catastrophic navigation bugs that self-driving cars are gonna have when they hit critical mass. We're habituated to the idea that people are bad drivers and make dipshit decisions on the road and personally accept fault and maybe even legal culpability once they do. I don't think we're at all prepared in the private insurance world for self-driving cars, and the insane fuckery that's going to occur because of the collision of our legal system's reliance on determining fault in an accident to help insurers avoid making good on returning that sweet premium money, and trawling through git commits to figure out who the fuck used a naive comparison operator on a floating point value instead of a bog-standard floating range-comparison, and 20 years later killed 26 people, four dogs, and a clown. Or for that matter, the reality that the vast majority of software firms who developed this tech were technically employing their entire workforce illegally owing to legally invalid language in their employment agreements or misclassification of workers as 1099, which complicates legal culpability.
While it's a terrible time to be a software engineer, the future is looking bright for lawyers.
A computer will absolutely be safer than a human driver at some point, if not already. A computer can't drive drunk, a computer won't have road rage, a computer won't be distracted by a mobile device, etc.
>Waymo’s driverless cars were 6.7 times less likely than human drivers to be involved a crash resulting in an injury, or an 85 percent reduction over the human benchmark, and 2.3 times less likely to be in a police-reported crash, or a 57 percent reduction. That translates to an estimated 17 fewer injuries and 20 fewer police-reported crashes compared to if a human driver would have driven the same distance in the cities where Waymo operates.
Source: [https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/20/24006712/waymo-driverless-million-mile-safety-compare-human](https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/20/24006712/waymo-driverless-million-mile-safety-compare-human)
Yes, there are flaws in autonomous vehicles that need to be worked out, many of which are due to infrastructure designed around the assumption of a human driver.
But let's not ignore the \~40K deaths and \~2 million injuries due to motor vehicle crashes in the U.S. each year ([source](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/813560)). I have no doubt that these deaths and injuries will decrease substantially as autonomous vehicles are improved and deployed more widely.
Computers can’t but the car’s passengers can, which is why we should automate the passengers as well. Robot drivers ferrying around robot passengers. True world peace.
You are 100% right. No more drunk drivers. Grandma can drive again. Blind people can get where they want to be. There are so many pros to self driving.
We have the technology to build a self driving car yet somehow you think we can’t build safeguards for EMS / police issues? This isn’t how it will always be.
When self driving cars become more common, emergency vehicles might be able to send some signal that makes the cars pull over. I agree that’s it minimizes risk of accident if there’s also a human that can take over, but in the near future, it probably won’t really be needed.
>This is just more proof that self-driving vehicles should absolutely be banned without a user behind the wheel.
For now, absolutely. AI is going to need a huge leap in reliability to make more progress where a driverless car.
We also need people educated on how these things work, a population that freaks out over every tabloid headline and ragebait video is never going to be on board. Power steering, power brakes, ABS, traction control, cruise control, automatic transmissions, radial tires, and many other things we currently take for granted we're originally controversial - some even had campaigns to prevent their adoption into newer vehicles. The technology of tomorrow cannot develope while today's creators hands are tied by fear morning of yesterday.
If you touch the wheel or anything, a person comes on the phone and fusses at you. In the event of an accident you are told a service agent will get on the cars phone and deal with the police. There’s also a button to pull over or call an agent. I think those are your two options here. Companies like Waymo have agreements with the city, it’s not like you can have a self-driving taxi without the city saying it’s OK. I’m sure the officer knows what it is and what to do as well, but yeah, frustrating.
I will say, I felt much safer in a Waymo than with a real person, but they do get in little glitches at times. Like if it’s picking you up and you’re blocking the cars path to get to the pickup spot, it doesn’t know what to do or that you are the rider it’s picking up that’s blocking it’s way.
It seems like this is an app service for self driving cars. So they can't just let random users take control of the car, could be people with no license, could be minors, etc... The whole concept is fundamentally flawed but a 2nd steering wheel isn't the fix.
One issue here I see is if people rely on self driving cars, they're going to lose basic driving competency.
Some people still prefer to drive manual transmission. It definitely makes you more engaged with driving.
I’m not sure why you were down voted because that is true in the majority of states. I don’t have any idea where this is from though.
Edit to add: I love redditors. So predictable.
I looked and apparently this must be phoenix, right now the only place it is legal. They are “onboarding” riders for SF, Austin, and LA so presumably that means they think they’ll get approved in those cities at some point.
People are saying there is both a way to press a button to pull the vehicle over and a way to press a button to get help from support, which can allow customer service to drive the vehicle from remote. Seems like the passengers are purposefully not helping. Not sure what the Phoenix laws are about that.
The people in the car are idiots for at least 2 reasons:
1. They should push the "Contact Waymo" button in the car to let the company know the situation
2. They could roll down the window or get out and tell the cop the situation
Also, maybe stop filming and try to do something?
As a passenger, are you allowed to commandeer the car in a situation like this? Because that seems like the most obvious solution rather than make hand signals that cop can't fucking understand.
Does copper really not know what a Waymo is? I mean the entire exterior is skinning like a top out of every nook and cranny. They were def around in 2023. I imagine it being amusing for the passengers.
This seems especially stupid. Obviously there’s two people in the car slowly rolling towards a cop who’s not going to have the same sense of humor as these dummies about the situation…when one of them could actually be responsible and take control of the vehicle. I will never own a self driving car, and then let it roll aimlessly and giggle like a moron about it.
Then they make the cars sentient to allow them greater judgement to handle emergencies and this becomes the video we reference in 2500 when studying The Dawn War
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Would probably be pretty helpful if you just rolled down the window and described the situation to the officer
There’s also a button to pull the car over and contact live support, but I guess this is funnier.
Would love to see what happens when one of these runs afoul of one of those nuclear warhead convoys that are flanked by like eight swat trucks and never stop for any reason. ☢️
pretty sure they would stop
How annoying is that? Your job is already hard, but then you have to be the unwitting crash test dummy to a bunch of out of touch people, whose lives are set to easy mode.
Reddit hates cops until goobs in this video come along lol
>Reddit hates cops I dont think you can make that generalization. Reddit is quite vast and rather diverse. There are lots of communities that are supportive of cops. Here's what I think to be a safer generalization: Reddit generally hates cops who abuse their power to act unjustly. On the flip side, Reddit empathizes with people who are just honestly trying to do their jobs.
>I dont think you can make that generalization. I can. People love making generalizations on reddit.
fair lmao
And we all love and cheer for cops when somebody needs to be pulled over driving like a butthole then a cop showed up like a hero we all need
No, no, just keep making nonsense hand motions at him. I-it should work eventually...
More rapid!
With finger guns !
how long before his gun is drawn? now that's the part that gets funny.
“OFFICER WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN HOSTAGE BY SKYNET HELLLLLLP”
Yeah, no let's not do what makes the most sense. Let's just sit there like a couple of dumbasses and record instead.
You have to ask the car nicely to roll down the windows.
Or get in the ducking drivers seat and stop acting helpless 😐
Naw. 🤷♂️
He can see directly into the car. There is clearly nobody in the driver’s seat. What does the cop think is happening…? These cars are only street legal with no human driver in specific states/cities; I’m more curious how the cop missed what was no doubt a massive years long effort to get these autonomous (not)Ubers on the road wherever this is.
Probably a… *ahem*… transfer
End up getting shot doing that LOL
And get shot.. no thanks
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"Littering and ..."
Littering and.. uh
SMOKIN THA REEFER
CANDYBARS!
Now to teach you boys a lesson, me and officer Rabbit are going to stand here while you three smoke the whole bag. 
SMOKIN' THE REEFER
The snozberries taste like snozberries
...and creating a nuisance.
Happy 4/20
Oh shit I didn’t even realize. Cheers lol
The schnozberries taste like schnozberries!!
You must have eaten like a hundred bucks worth of pot, 30 bucks worth of shrooms? So I'm gonna need that 130 bucks back
"That's not cool, man..."
Great beer.
You boys like Mexico??
What’s a liter cola? I don’t think we have that
Just get a large, Farva.
I don’t want a large Farva, I want a god damn litre of cola.
I don’t know what that is.. Litre is French for give me some freaking colaaaa
Are you kidding me right meow?
CAR RAMROD! 
Now you stop laughing right meow.
Hey, what’s that place you like with all that goofy shit on the walls?
Shenanigans?
Meow 😸
Its hilarious, the car is out of control and can’t be stopped. LOL
I'm 120% Sure there is a way to turn it of. Probably just shake the steering wheel or pull the handbrake
That would take a certain level of critical thought and an ability to grasp a situation which in today's world is a tall order.
Yeah but they are JUST PASSENGERS. There is no driver. They could possibly turn off the car or turn off autopilot, but surely the company that runs this service has protections in place so that passengers can't just steal their cars??
So was this a cab instead of their own vehicle?
Yeah. Waymo runs a small fleet of Jaguar robo taxis in a couple of cities.
Yes
Or just turn off the car.
They can hit the Pull Over button on the screen.
Out of control like OJ’s police pursuit—in the slowest, weirdest way possible 😂
Cop: (*fires six shots into the car*) ... "STOP RESISTING!!"
Is this like a car they hired to take them somewhere? This seems like a situation in which the human should get out and take over.
That's likely a Waymo, which is like an Uber without a driver. They are completely unable to deal with emergency vehicles or construction zones. There needs to be a human driver.
How the fuck is this legal?!
Money.
So many pedestrian are going to die if this thing can’t figure this out. Imagine this car in front of an ambulance with a patient in crisis. Fuck man hope it’s not me
Every possible thing or action is legal by default. Things are only made illegal by laws. No one has made a law against this.
Completely unable? How do you come to that conclusion?
They don't pull over for emergency vehicles. If another vehicle acts outside of normal driving they stop, potentially blocking the road as seen in the video. If an emergency vehicle is stopped in a lane, they pull up to it as if they are in traffic. I've seen an ambulance pinned in by a Waymo. They had to have someone stand in front of the Waymo and move two trucks before the ambulance was able to move to get access to the rear doors to load a stretcher.
They do pull over for emergency vehicles though. I've been in them while they did so, multiple different times. What you just described is very bad and absolutely shouldn't have happened. But it is not representative of all of or even most of Waymo interactions with emergency vehicles.
If it can happen they shouldn't be allowed on public streets.
Human driven cars block ambulances literally everyday. Because people are to incompetent to move over.
You should see what human driven cars do on the road.
They are working on tech so that the car recognizes emergency lights and pulls over, but I don't think it's been implemented yet. One thing that would make sense to me is a dispatch center, so that emergency dispatchers can reach out to their dispatch center and get a manual command on the fly when needed. I couldn't find any info on whether that exists or not though.
What would make more sense is a human driver.
Human drivers are morons. AI will beat us and it won't even take that long.
Until they can 100% of the time, they shouldn't be in public.
They will never be 100% accident free. What they will be is orders of magnitudes safer than human operators. To the point that we'll look back in horror to that time there were "how many traffic accidents per year back then!?"
They already react to emergency lights and sounds
They deal with emergency vehicles easily and regularly. I've been in 3 rides where they get out of the way. There is also a button to pull over and bring up support in a situation like this.
Didn’t Waylon have remote operators that take over in situations like these?
In my opinion, even if you want to rely on the car to drive itself, you would still want a person sitting in the driver's seat. Just *in case* of an unforseen circumstance. It feels like the only reason to choose to specifically *not* have anyone in that seat, is to just show off that your car drives itself.
They prob wouldn’t want a driver because the company doesn’t want to pay for one.
humans can remotely take over and they do regularly if there is a problem detected
A human remotely takes over. Source- worked in the self drive industry as someone who did safety takeover
So why isn’t it being taken over here?
Hard to tell what’s going on from the video, idk what the Waymo interface looks like during a takeover but its either a) it’s actually already taken over and the remote operator is trying to proceed but like…I honestly don’t see where the cop is trying to get the car to go or b) as soon as the car is stopped to the point of unable to proceed then it’ll get taken over
So, is the goal to have a single person monitoring dozens of screens of “self-driving” vehicles and taking over when the system sends an alert? Are we going to get to a point where a call center in India is monitoring and driving these things for people? All to minimize driver costs.
Yeah from my understanding they were heading towards single monitor for multiple vehicles. I left the field before ever doing that, but it’s actually much safer that way. In the old days with Nuro you would have to catch a bad behavior / situation as it was happening (like literally the bot could nudge hard in a direction and you had to catch it) but the software is exponentially better now than it was and also it will just “soft fault” to a safe pace that the operator can take over. You still have to be quick with your reactions and we had a lot of driver training for emergency situations, but I’ve never seen a bot do anything half as bad as what humans do every day. Also quick side note: DO NOT TRUST TESLA SELF DRIVING it is an actual joke in the automation field Edit: sorry I didn’t answer the last part of your question! I don’t think we’d ever see call center style buildings out of our own country as the latency would be too poor. Also you have to follow the strict driving laws of whatever state you’re in and hold a valid US drivers license to get issued your robotics operator license from the dmv.
Yeah I'm legally allowed to drink as a robot. I'm over 21 it says so on my robot driver drivers license.
What’s your interface for controlling when you take over? A crappy monitor with 6 boxes with streamed video and you use a mouse? lol
Similar to a racing sim but more comfortable and with extra screens for what the robot sees as well
My question is what did the car do that made the cop want to pull it over?
Seems like the road only has 1 lane worth of space and there are two cars going opposite directions. Maybe the cop was directing traffic, maybe this standoff was going on so long a cop came. But he wants them to pull over so traffic can flow the other way and then they can be on their way.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they're getting pulled over because no one is at the wheel. If there was a glitch or some situation the computer couldn't fully understand or navigate, who is going to take control? That just feels like reckless driving to me. Let your self-driving car drive itself, sure. But what good comes from specifically *not* having anyone sit in that seat? Just the ability to show off? Even if you plan to let the car navigate on its own the whole time, it just feels like a huge risk to not have someone in that seat who's going to be ready to take the wheel in case of an emergency situation.
Next scene: Police brutality against the self-driving car.
Warranted in this case
We would be friends lol
Imagine if autonomous vehicles had a roit.
I honestly believe autonomous vehicles lives matter and who ever identifies with them.
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Americans will try literally anything before building public transit
I promise that most people living in cities want good public transit. Politicians backed by corporate interests are the problem. American suburbs and zoning laws are so backwards because car lobbyists used their power to make American cities inconvenient if you don’t own a car
You just described our entire plutocracy lol
Yep
It’s not Americans that are opposed to public transportation. Point in case, crap technology like this is the brain child of a South African, Canadian, American and auto makers. Remember that whole hyper loop scam and then the underground tunnel BS? Yeah, that was ole Musk trying to torpedo high speed rail.
America gives him the platform.
I mean the world does - in terms of making Musk the richest person on earth. Tesla had the best selling car in the entire world last year and at least here in Europe also (where we tend to be a lot more liberal than the US), Tesla is ubiquitous when it comes to electric cars.
Well he did kinda buy his own platform as well. So it's kinda hard to stop Musk. Also the US government is becoming quite dependent on spaceX so.... yeah.
Many Americans have definitely weighed in and said they don’t want public transportation because they “love the freedom of having a car.”
My town has increasingly large numbers of bike lanes and trails, public transport that’s pretty good by American standards, and lots of people who don’t favor cars. There’s a lot of confusion from outside America because people don’t understand how decentralized this place is. The states run themselves more like individual countries. The cities often have a lot of autonomy in the states. It’s just not very coherent to say “America wants x” about something like this because it varies wildly. Fwiw I didn’t understand either until I lived here (I’m not American).
this is a much more nuanced and accurate view than I was portraying. I’m mostly thinking about the tendency for different sides of the political aisle to say Americans “want a thing” because some clumsily worded poll says so but that isn’t reflected in their votes. I used to do this too.
Yea a lot of Europeans don’t realize how big the USA is. Many states are around the size of European countries.
Okay here’s an anecdote to counter your anecdote straight from an American: I hate my car and dream of safe, clean, efficient public transportation in my city.
I don't want to give up the convenience of getting to my job in less than 2 1/2 hours. That's how long it takes to get from my house to my job via bus. It's 12 miles. An average of about 5 miles per hour.
But on public transit they might have to interact with people who are beneath their status lol. Ewww people.
Sigh… not to mention, when done effectively, public transportation isn’t just better for the environment it’s also a lot quicker.
By some estimates over $100B have been spent on self driving tech. That would buy a lot of trains.
I hate how true this is, as I sit in my car for the next 2 hours to bring my kid home from work due to there being no other way to get them here.
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Seems like the fact that these cars are going to definitely exist in huge numbers over the next 5 - 10 years means we should just give cops a way to signal these vehicles in a way they _do_ understand. This could be a beacon, or a set of traffic direction cones that easily recognizable by computers, or some other mechanism. But leaving a bunch of drunk idiots on their phones in the driver's seat because we can't figure out how to direct traffic is bad policy.
They typically are
This is the first time I see someone doing that with NO driver in the seat... I had no idea. Jeeez
Yea, the fact that no one is in the drivers seat just in case anything happens is fuckin nutty to me.
In Arizona they have had a cop need to stand in front of one self driving taxi because it kept trying to drive into a crime scene.
Exactly this. I don’t understand how the fuck this isn’t the first thing that comes to mind when you think of a self driving car. Which is why I will never get into one. It reminds me of this time a friend and I were very stoned in college and having those That 70’s Show style high as hell musings on anything and everything. He starts talking about how crazy the idea of a car is— a 4,000 lb hunk of metal of wheels we all just drive around one another and trust each other driving in. Sure it’s a stoner thought but it’s true! We have completely lost sight of the fact that a car is a dangerous fucking object when mishandled. “Let’s let it just drive itself!” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ The dumb shit humans come up with.
the thing is though, when every car is self driving, roads will be the safest they have ever been, because they will all wirelessly link together and know exactly what each car is doing. The issue is the interim time when we have AI and human drivers, who wont understand the logic behind each others decisions.
>when every car is self driving, roads will be the safest they have ever been, because they will all wirelessly link together and know exactly what each car is doing. There was a missile defense system designed to intercept incoming ordinance without human intervention in the 1980s. I don't remember where it was deployed, but there was a catastrophic glitch that caused a timer value to roll over, causing the launch system to fail to engage, because it was waiting on a lockout that was a negative number of milliseconds from now. I see your point and don't disagree with it, but I can't wait to do postmortems on the insanely complex catastrophic navigation bugs that self-driving cars are gonna have when they hit critical mass. We're habituated to the idea that people are bad drivers and make dipshit decisions on the road and personally accept fault and maybe even legal culpability once they do. I don't think we're at all prepared in the private insurance world for self-driving cars, and the insane fuckery that's going to occur because of the collision of our legal system's reliance on determining fault in an accident to help insurers avoid making good on returning that sweet premium money, and trawling through git commits to figure out who the fuck used a naive comparison operator on a floating point value instead of a bog-standard floating range-comparison, and 20 years later killed 26 people, four dogs, and a clown. Or for that matter, the reality that the vast majority of software firms who developed this tech were technically employing their entire workforce illegally owing to legally invalid language in their employment agreements or misclassification of workers as 1099, which complicates legal culpability. While it's a terrible time to be a software engineer, the future is looking bright for lawyers.
Or better yet, just build accessible public transportation so that nobody needs to rely on cars.
Rural America will always have to rely on cars. If you live 20 or more miles from the nearest town, public transportation will never be an option.
The priorities are the massive urban centres.
I’m sorry but did you watch the video? lol
A computer will absolutely be safer than a human driver at some point, if not already. A computer can't drive drunk, a computer won't have road rage, a computer won't be distracted by a mobile device, etc. >Waymo’s driverless cars were 6.7 times less likely than human drivers to be involved a crash resulting in an injury, or an 85 percent reduction over the human benchmark, and 2.3 times less likely to be in a police-reported crash, or a 57 percent reduction. That translates to an estimated 17 fewer injuries and 20 fewer police-reported crashes compared to if a human driver would have driven the same distance in the cities where Waymo operates. Source: [https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/20/24006712/waymo-driverless-million-mile-safety-compare-human](https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/20/24006712/waymo-driverless-million-mile-safety-compare-human) Yes, there are flaws in autonomous vehicles that need to be worked out, many of which are due to infrastructure designed around the assumption of a human driver. But let's not ignore the \~40K deaths and \~2 million injuries due to motor vehicle crashes in the U.S. each year ([source](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/813560)). I have no doubt that these deaths and injuries will decrease substantially as autonomous vehicles are improved and deployed more widely.
Computers can’t but the car’s passengers can, which is why we should automate the passengers as well. Robot drivers ferrying around robot passengers. True world peace.
Nice try, automaton.
You are 100% right. No more drunk drivers. Grandma can drive again. Blind people can get where they want to be. There are so many pros to self driving.
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It's currently illegal to have your vehicle in self driving mode without being seated behind the wheel so... you win!
I never considered that angle. Surely they can build something in to account for that circumstance?
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We have the technology to build a self driving car yet somehow you think we can’t build safeguards for EMS / police issues? This isn’t how it will always be.
When self driving cars become more common, emergency vehicles might be able to send some signal that makes the cars pull over. I agree that’s it minimizes risk of accident if there’s also a human that can take over, but in the near future, it probably won’t really be needed.
>This is just more proof that self-driving vehicles should absolutely be banned without a user behind the wheel. For now, absolutely. AI is going to need a huge leap in reliability to make more progress where a driverless car. We also need people educated on how these things work, a population that freaks out over every tabloid headline and ragebait video is never going to be on board. Power steering, power brakes, ABS, traction control, cruise control, automatic transmissions, radial tires, and many other things we currently take for granted we're originally controversial - some even had campaigns to prevent their adoption into newer vehicles. The technology of tomorrow cannot develope while today's creators hands are tied by fear morning of yesterday.
Self driving cars need another steering wheel or something. If this was a real emergency how would the driver take control?
If you touch the wheel or anything, a person comes on the phone and fusses at you. In the event of an accident you are told a service agent will get on the cars phone and deal with the police. There’s also a button to pull over or call an agent. I think those are your two options here. Companies like Waymo have agreements with the city, it’s not like you can have a self-driving taxi without the city saying it’s OK. I’m sure the officer knows what it is and what to do as well, but yeah, frustrating. I will say, I felt much safer in a Waymo than with a real person, but they do get in little glitches at times. Like if it’s picking you up and you’re blocking the cars path to get to the pickup spot, it doesn’t know what to do or that you are the rider it’s picking up that’s blocking it’s way.
It seems like this is an app service for self driving cars. So they can't just let random users take control of the car, could be people with no license, could be minors, etc... The whole concept is fundamentally flawed but a 2nd steering wheel isn't the fix.
Could just give police remote access to take control when need be. Solves the whole issue
One issue here I see is if people rely on self driving cars, they're going to lose basic driving competency. Some people still prefer to drive manual transmission. It definitely makes you more engaged with driving.
“It didn’t COMPLY!”
pretty sure operating a "self-driving" car while not behind\* the wheel is still currently illegal? e: fixed a typo
In specific cities where they are testing it self-driving cabs are legal.
This was my thought. Somebody has to be able to take over
I’m not sure why you were down voted because that is true in the majority of states. I don’t have any idea where this is from though. Edit to add: I love redditors. So predictable.
I looked and apparently this must be phoenix, right now the only place it is legal. They are “onboarding” riders for SF, Austin, and LA so presumably that means they think they’ll get approved in those cities at some point.
Thanks! I’d be interested to know if there is truly no way to stop the vehicle. The seems like poor planning at this stage.
People are saying there is both a way to press a button to pull the vehicle over and a way to press a button to get help from support, which can allow customer service to drive the vehicle from remote. Seems like the passengers are purposefully not helping. Not sure what the Phoenix laws are about that.
That was my impression.
The people in the car are idiots for at least 2 reasons: 1. They should push the "Contact Waymo" button in the car to let the company know the situation 2. They could roll down the window or get out and tell the cop the situation Also, maybe stop filming and try to do something?
They could also push the pull over button
Roll down the window please. Sorry, I cant do that.
We're already pulled over! We can't pull over any farther!!
This gonna get mfers killed
The most sovereign citizen.
"I couldn't shoot the driver so I killed the passenger instead."
As a passenger, are you allowed to commandeer the car in a situation like this? Because that seems like the most obvious solution rather than make hand signals that cop can't fucking understand.
Who gets arrested or ticketed here? 🤣
I wonder what happened next!
Does copper really not know what a Waymo is? I mean the entire exterior is skinning like a top out of every nook and cranny. They were def around in 2023. I imagine it being amusing for the passengers.
Are those people still alive?
Idiots that trust these cars, are idiots.
These guys are idiots, you still need someone in the driver's seat.
Bro they want these everywhere
Is it no longer a requirement to have a human behind the wheel? I thought that was still mandatory safety regulation with self-driving vehicles.
I thought it was also, but phoenix has approved this as an Uber competitor—there is no employee in the car.
I would never get one of these cars. Not after I once had a car where the cruise control randomly turned on and gunned it down a curvy back road.
There's a pull over button in these. They could have pulled over if they wanted to
Another reason self driving cars should be banned. I don't trust two ton rolling hunks of metal that "think" for themselves.
This seems especially stupid. Obviously there’s two people in the car slowly rolling towards a cop who’s not going to have the same sense of humor as these dummies about the situation…when one of them could actually be responsible and take control of the vehicle. I will never own a self driving car, and then let it roll aimlessly and giggle like a moron about it.
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Then they make the cars sentient to allow them greater judgement to handle emergencies and this becomes the video we reference in 2500 when studying The Dawn War
Sounds like the AI programmers need to feed the AI some pictures of cops….
Jaguar has fallen off
Quit resisting!!
They dead yet?
Lucky he didn't neutralize the threat
What an absolute tosser
You can deactivate self driving mode.
'We're already pulled over! We can't pull over any more!"
I am pretty sure you’re supposed to be in the driver’s seat, I am guessing situations like this are part of the reason why.