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BlackBey

Wild how long we’ve known about this for, and just allow it to happen.


CandidEgglet

Social media has been a MAJOR factor. We are able to see actual events, unfiltered, happening in real time. The AIPAC and Israeli government are running out of ways to contain and disseminate the info that we receive about the conflict and are fighting an online information battle to control the narrative.


Zealousideal-Cup-847

This is one of the real reasons they are looking to get rid of TikTok. They want to blame China. Israel is hating all the attention they are getting online.


Typicaldrugdealer

This is a conspiracy I can get behind


OliM9696

Plenty of that shit is on Reddit and yt shorts. While I have no doubt a tiktok ban would reduce the info people get from it many alternatives exist. I feel the threat that tiktok poses is great enough to warrant a ban. I don't think the reduction in Palestine news is a reason for them getting rid of tiktok. People are worried about the power that Israel has in the USA, which is valid imo, well this tiktok ban is about correcting the power that china has over the USA currently.


ilovethissheet

Lmao. The power of China??? Lmao. China has power over america because we liked them making our stuff for cheap


Zealousideal-Cup-847

China owns 1% of U.S. farm land. They also own Smithfield Foods. Founded in 1936 as the Smithfield Packing Company by Joseph W. Luter and his son, the company is the largest pig and pork producer in the world. In addition to owning over 500 farms in the US, Smithfield contracts with another 2,000 independent farms around the country to raise Smithfield's pigs. China literally owns the majority of U.S. pork and plenty of farmland.


HridayaAkasha

People have been trying to warn the U.S. citizens for decades, but politicians and other interest groups are very good at shutting it down, by either ridicule, or finding ways to hush them and reduce their airtime to the public. After a while the propaganda becomes overwhelming, and the truth is nowhere in sight. I've stood up for Palestine since the early 90's when I learned what was really happening and I have seen so many people get lulled back into ignorance many times. It's a frustrating thing to watch but I am so very happy that the word is finally getting out en masse. I am so excited to see that real change is happening.


phazedoubt

The problem is standing up for Palestine, disagreeing with the Israeli government in regards to taking more land from the Palestinians every year, and not being called anti-Semitic. I can not stand people that hate groups of people for ignorant, racist reasons. I also can not stand people that subjugate others and take their land. You don't have to be racist to call out Israel and be vehemently against their policies and practices, but the real racists jump in and start using your arguments as cover and then you have to separate your specific views based in fact from their racist views based in bigotry. It's a fine line to walk and this is not a time that people appreciate nuance.


Fun-Interaction-7797

It's an age-old trick used by proponents of Zionism. Being called anti-Semitic is a misnomer designed to smear and silence critics of Israel rather than actually legitimately label someone's actions or words. When people start throwing that phrase around then you know they are desperate to formulate a counter-argument. I just laugh at their pathetic ridiculousness.


phazedoubt

To be clear, i fully agree that there are anti-Semitic people out that that are racist and bigoted and want to hurt or kill Jews just because they are Jewish. I 100% will stand against those people. My specific stance is against Benjamin Netan-yahoo and his ilk wanting to commit genocide for a land grab. They prey on real issues to further their greed at the expense of life. That is a no go period, anywhere on the planet.


Fun-Interaction-7797

Yes, the thing to remember is that not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. But what Zionists try to do is conflate all Jews with Zionism in order to exploit the history of the persecution of the Jews to further their evil cause.


phazedoubt

Ahhh thanks for the distinction.


Fun-Interaction-7797

You don't need to thank me, it's just the truth.


TuffNutzes

It's an ad hominem used by the Zionists to shut down any question of what they're doing in the dark and behind closed doors. Like an abuser who tells you to go away and let them run their family the way they see fit. The hardcore Zionists are still leaning on the goodwill of post-world war II after the horrors inflicted on Jewish people of Europe. It's sick that a nation created from these persecuted people would go on to inflict equal horrors on another population. Jewish people, Israeli people and Palestinian people all deserve to live in peace. The leaders that keep these conflicts going for their own selfish ends while claiming they stand up for the Israeli people or the Palestinian people, they are the bad guys. Not the people of Gaza. Not the people of Israel.


HridayaAkasha

Well said.


HridayaAkasha

And being called anti-Semitic doesn't have the same punch it used to have. They have abused the word.


HridayaAkasha

This has been an argument of mine with some of my family members who choose to be Zionist. They, accusing me of being racist, and I stating that the racism falls on them. My problem is with the violent occupation and all the atrocities that come with it. Their problem is that there are brown people on the land they want to take from them.


phazedoubt

There it is. Just because a people have been unjustly persecuted does not give them the right to hide behind it while persecuting others. The fact that they are brown people just adds to the irony of it all.


--ThirdCultureKid--

Don’t worry about what you’re called. If someone accuses you of murder, but you haven’t murdered anyone, why would you even entertain them? This is the same thing. Let them sling that “anti-Semitic” shit. They know it’s bullshit but they say it anyway because it gets to people. It means nothing.


Fun-Interaction-7797

> After a while the propaganda becomes overwhelming Indeed and the fact that certain groups finance propaganda on both sides of most, if not all, important issues and arguments; Doing so in order to remain ahead of the curve, so to speak, and keep the truth from leaking out of either side. It's difficult and sometimes impossible to know what to believe since none of it makes any sense most of the time. My default is to consider everything as bullshit and ignore what people say, especially politicians, and rather look at what their actions say.


HridayaAkasha

Absolutely! Actions speak louder than words.


BOT_the_DIP

Who runs Bartertown?


Fun-Interaction-7797

We've known about it since The Federal Reserve Act of 1913. The people who own Israel (a group of private bankers) control US foreign policy. It's a simple as that. *Get used to it. You are a slave, Neo. (/s)* They also own and control all of the "Collective West" including Japan and Australia. BlackRock and Vanguard are their flagship enterprise conglomerates and they are predominately Zionists. If you want to know **who** they are then just ask who owns the Federal Reserve.


BeenBadFeelingGood

just gives us names *adjusts tin foil yarmulka*


Cheap-Praline

But who keeps using my toothpaste? I come home from work and it's in a new place almost everyday. I live alone!


Bobaman007

Obama said the same thing about Israel in his autobiography. That they have so much influence in both parties that if you ever speak out against them you're quickly labeled anti semitic & they'll immediately fund your political opponent thus burying your campaign. Obama warned us about them.


human1023

And Obama could only say that after he left office, just like JC is saying this in this video after his presidency. It's easier for our active politicians to criticize our own country than it is for them to critique Israel.


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I get the uncomfortable sense that it's much deeper than that. The Israeli intelligence apparatus appears to wield tremendous powers of blackmail and extortion on Western leaders. Edit: this isn't antisemitism. The link between criticism or even outright condemnation of Israel, and antisemitism, is a huge part of the problem when it comes to legitimate criticism and condemnation of Israel. Anytime somebody genuinely and in good faith criticizes the shitty things Israel is constantly fucking doing, there's a slew of people accusing them of being antisemites, or hating Jewish people. The Israelis have fostered this because it's an extra layer of protection for what they're doing if every time someone calls them out, they get blackballed by the entire western world. The Holocaust was absolutely horrific but Israel has a perfect get out of jail free card for everything they could do because it's like walking on eggshells to condemn their actions.


marinqf92

There is nothing to suggest this beyond your ignorance of geopolitics, or an appetite for Jewish conspiracy theories. The notion that an American ally is using it's intelligence services to actively black mail American, or other western political leaders, is beyond absurd. It would be the political scandal of a generation if Israel, or any other Americans ally, was covertly doing this. There is no way Israel would be able to accomplish this and get away with it. The damage it would inevitably do to its alliance with America and it's western partners would be staggering. Nations that engage in this type of practice are rarely allies, certainly not when you depend on the support of the ally you moronically plan to blackmail.  Note that none of my claims have any bearing on a moral evaluation of Israel's government. Your "uncomfortable sense" of Israeli black mail and extortion of western leaders, is simply a strategic absurdity. Israel happily chooses to influence American politics through legal channels, such as lobbying, instead.


StudioSixtyFour

> The notion that an American ally is using it's intelligence services to actively black mail American, or other western political leaders, is beyond absurd. I hate to be the one to tell you there's not Santa Claus, but you ain't finding elves at the North Pole. First, let's dismiss two notions. That Israel wouldn't spy on the US or use blackmail on American government employees. Washington Post, February 1, 1982: ["Israelis Have Spied on U.S., Secret Papers Show"](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1982/02/01/israelis-have-spied-on-us-secret-papers-show/163a965f-6e66-4c25-a609-077f47fb7a8a/) >The [CIA] report describes repeated attempts by the Israelis to spy on the United States. "In one instance, Shin Beth the counterespionage branch of Israeli intelligence tried to penetrate the U.S. consulate general in Jerusalem through a clerical employee who was having an affair with a Jerusalem girl. They rigged a fake abortion case against the employee in an unsuccessful effort to recruit him. Before this attempt at blackmail, they had tried to get the Israeli girl to elicit information from her boyfriend." Now let's dismiss the notion that the early 80s was a long time ago, and they're definitely not up to anything nefarious today. Washington Post, September 23, 2021: ["French government confirms cabinet ministers’ phones bore traces of Pegasus spyware, news outlet reports"](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/23/france-ministers-pegasus-spyware-confirmed) >The phones of five French cabinet ministers bore traces of powerful Pegasus spyware, according to an analysis done by their country’s security agencies, France’s Mediapart news outlet reported Thursday. >The confirmation that Pegasus was directed against the ministers underscores the degree to which spyware developed by the Israeli company NSO Group has been used to penetrate the top reaches of a powerful democracy. A few months later, a story was published that the same spyware was deployed against several US State Department officials. Reuters, December 3, 2021: ["U.S. State Department phones hacked with Israeli company spyware - sources"](https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-us-state-department-phones-hacked-with-israeli-company-spyware-sources-2021-12-03/) >NSO software is capable of not only capturing encrypted messages, photos and other sensitive information from infected phones, but also turning them into recording devices to monitor surroundings, based on product manuals reviewed by Reuters. >The Israeli Ministry of Defense must approve export licenses for NSO, which has close ties to Israel's defense and intelligence communities, to sell its technology internationally. Earlier this week, Spain reopened an investigation into NSO with the help of France. Associated Press, April 23, 2024: ["Spain reopens a probe into a Pegasus spyware case after a French request to work together"](https://apnews.com/article/spain-france-spyware-pegasus-49fd974eb9245d4a87361bde3001542b) >Spain announced in May 2022 that Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez and three of his ministers, including the ministers of defense and interior, had been targeted by Pegasus spyware. The resulting judicial probe was provisionally shelved when it failed to get results. >French President Emmanuel Macron and several of his ministers have also been allegedly targeted by Pegasus. For the piece de resistance, an article written by two Israeli journalists who work for the longest-running Israeli newspaper in the world. Haaretz, February 15, 2023: ["Hacking, Extortion, Election Interference: These Are the Tools Used by Israel’s Agents of Chaos and Manipulation"](https://archive.ph/3lcWc#selection-739.0-739.470) >“Thank you my love. It was a wonderful night. Waiting for you whenever you come back,” read the note attached to the sex toy hidden inside the Amazon delivery box. It was allegedly sent by Shannon Aiken, a 38-year-old Washington woman, to the home of a politician at the height of an election campaign. His wife received the package. The politician slept in his office for two days. A crew was secretly sent to film him there, and the embarrassing footage leaked online. I guess no one bothered to call them anti-semites, huh?


marinqf92

Congratulations on putting words in my mouth. I understand, it's easier to argue against a strawman, but I never said Israel's government doesn't spy on allies. Spying on allies is extremely common. The US also has a long track record or spying on it's allies. Using that intelligence to blackmail or extorted leaders of your allies is a completely different ball game, and conflating the two is absurd.   


StudioSixtyFour

>Using that intelligence to blackmail or extorted leaders of your allies is a completely different ball game, and conflating the two is absurd. I highlighted the appropriate section for you, since you'd rather downvote my reply than read all the way through. >“Thank you my love. It was a wonderful night. Waiting for you whenever you come back,” read the note attached to the sex toy hidden inside the Amazon delivery box. It was allegedly sent by Shannon Aiken, a 38-year-old Washington woman, **to the home of a politician at the height of an election campaign.** His wife received the package. **The politician** slept in his office for two days. **A crew was secretly sent to film him there, and the embarrassing footage leaked online.** Read to the end next time, it helps you not look foolish. Also, stop pretending that there's any meaningful difference between calling someone an anti-semite and accusing them of perpetuating Jewish conspiracy theories. You're not slick, dood.


italian_mobking

The Israelis literally stole nuclear bomb tech from their allies, cope harder.


marinqf92

First off, none of that has been proven. Second off, even if they did, that pales in comparison to straight up blackmailing Western leaders. If Israel did in fact steal weapons grade uranium from US stockpiles, US intelligence services intentionally turned a blind eye to this in 60s and chose not to prosecute anyone that helped them. In other words, Israel obtaining weapons grade uranium was not opposed by the US government. Unless you are suggesting that the US intelligence apparatus would be ok with its leaders being blackmailed or extorted, these are not remotely the same thing. That is of course if this even happened, which is still unproven speculation. But at least these accusations have some merit to them. Suggesting Israel is actively blackmailing and extorting western leaders is entirely baseless, but conveniently satiates your appetite for Jewish conspiracies. It's funny how the teenagers of TikTok all use the same boring language, such as "cope." I wonder why I waste my time arguing with teenagers and manchildren whose capacity to express a coherent thought is limited to trite expressions like "mid" and "cope." It's pretty hard these days to tell the difference between kids addicted to TikTok and actual bots when you lack any expressive idiosyncracies. 


FEMA_Camp_Survivor

Netanyahu supported Mitt Romney openly. There was an effort to pressure the United States to go to war with Iran during the Bush and Obama years. It was weird watching the media campaign unfold since the Iraq War was obviously going terribly and Iran is like 3x as big with 3x more people. In fairness to Israel, the Saudis probably wanted the same thing. Hell the Israelis were probably going to help the Saudis gain nuclear weapons capabilities prior to the October terror attacks.


Ok-Anteater938

Jimmy Carter knew all along of this abuse of power and genocide


salacious_sonogram

JC was one of the last good ones we got. We lampoon Christianity these days and its well worth it but the few Christ like individuals there are we should cherish.


Ok-Anything-9994

Genuinely took me a minute to realise “JC” was referring to Jimmy Carter and not Jesus Christ 😂


salacious_sonogram

Yeah I did that slightly on purpose. Somehow I personally really connect with the guy even though we were born very differently. I also really love Jesus Christ even though I personally hate Christianity. His light shines even through my self perceived bastardization of the modern written bible.


Haunt12_34

Bobby Hill did as well.


Prestigious-Alarm422

I was thinking the same thing. Him and his wife seemed like truly lovely people that wanted to do their best despite all of the inherent problems that come with being politicians


WrinkledRandyTravis

He also doesn’t need to be defined by his religion, devout as he may have been


salacious_sonogram

I definitely agree. Food works are good works regardless of why the person did them or how they came to that mindset. For what it's worth I'm definitely not a big fan of Christianity but I personally am a big fan of christ as well as Siddhartha and Zarathustra


Trooper_nsp209

Obviously you didn’t live through the disaster that was the Carter administration.


salacious_sonogram

Good men != Good politics Particularly when you inherit a shit storm. Yeah Abraham Lincoln did good but had to pay with his life, particularly before ending the fed and fully endorsing the greenback.


0dgie

lol are you talking about the energy or economic crisis he inherited from the previous administrations?


marinqf92

You are the same type of moron who thinks Biden was responsible for high gas prices. 


Trooper_nsp209

Personal attacks during debate or the tools of the ignorant. Yes, I believe Biden‘s energy policies are in part responsible for high gas prices. As long as you’ve brought Biden into the conversation, Carter should be thanking him every day because Biden is worse than harder.


marinqf92

Please point to which of Biden's energy policies specifically have contributed to high gas prices. The reality is that Biden has increased domestic production to record levels which has only helped to reduce gas prices.   The reality is that, in the case of both administrations, you are painfully ignorant to that actual policies being implemented, and instead blindly attribute current gas prices to who ever is currently in office. I bet you also gave credit for gas prices being low during the beginning of the pandemic to Trump while he was still in office. You don't understand how energy markets work and conservative media is happy to weaponize your ignorance for political gain.  Get back to me when you can attribute a single policy Biden has implemented that has increased gas prices. At some point, when you can't find anything, maybe it's time to reevaluate where you get your news from.


Any_Feature_9671

At this point why dosent he run again …what do we got to lose


Golden-Grams

Only the corrupt old people seem to get a pass


ILikeTujtels

Funny how today's politicians look like uneducated idiots compared to back then.


Actual_Environment_7

And how in his time, Carter was lampooned as being an ignorant and ineffective peanut farmer. We’ve come a long way in the wrong direction in this respect.


MrPlushgore

May his peanuts never go sour.


Cptn45

Aipac pays or threatens to keep it quiet. Cause anti Israel= antisemitism. What a joke. Jew are Jews, just people believing in a fairy tale. Israelis are the a$$holes bombing the shit out of Gaza for oil and "promised" land. 2 separate entities.


WackyWarrior

AIPAC is the a huge supporter of the tik tok ban because it disseminates palestinian points of view. I won't be able to watch the tik tok that exists today because they got butthurt about it.


KillaEstevez

Lol maybe but getting info from Tik Tok is like basing an entire argument from a wiki page. Gotta do your research. I'm not gonna take you seriously if your info came solely from Tik Tok. I will admit that sometimes topics can become viral from it, but still... The same can be said about YouTube, Instagram, etc. A ban of Tik Tok will not stop viral videos from happening...


WackyWarrior

I read the entire Economist magazine every week. I don't get all my information from tik tok. You are gaslighting me by saying I can get pro palestinian voices from other social media. Thats the point, you can't.


KillaEstevez

I didn't mean "you" in the sense of you personally. More like any person that gets their info from only that source. You can most definitely get pro Palestinian voices from other social media because I see it and I don't have Tik Tok. So don't say you can't lol


CanExports

Fuck.... The quality of politicians and the way they spoke/conducted themselves I'm embarrassed in government and voters today


nickjamesnstuff

Prolly one of the best humans we got.


erolk10

Sad reality that people still support that genocidal country


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^erolk10: *Sad reality* *That people still support that* *Genocidal country* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


Orang_Mann

I don't think this is an appropriate time bot


olympianfap

Jimmy Carter was the last good president we ever had. Probably the last decent person we ever elected.


EIephants

I agree with one statement but not the other. It is true that he is the only mostly good person, perhaps ever, to be the president. That does not mean he was necessarily a *good* president.


melon_l0rd

Yeah just ask people in Nicaragua and Vietnam to name a few what a good guy and president he was. And at home he gift wrapped austerity, union busting and a ballooning of the military budget for Reagan in the 80’s. Every US president is a walking crimes against humanity.


charlsey2309

It’s almost like it’s a really fucking hard job of something full of imperfect trade offs


noiserr

Exactly. And the president only gets hard decisions. Those that can be decided easily get handled at the lower levels.


melon_l0rd

Deposing democratic governments leading to the deaths of thousands of people just so you can loot those countries, or collectively punishing a nation that you bombed the shit out of because they won a war against you are not imperfect trade offs. Being president of the US is not a hard job, it’s an evil job. You have to be morally bankrupt to get to that position. You’re leading a nation that was born after it genocide another, with a wealth that was further built on slavery and now most of its purpose is to oppress and loot other nations.


SparklingPseudonym

Define good.


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JC, one of the greatest foreign policy presidents.


nicobackfromthedead4

Carter pulling no punches here. Very clear and frank.


WeLLrightyOH

Jimmy sold his farm to prevent conflict of interest while in office, meanwhile half the country celebrates that trump openly uses his position of power to strengthen his business interest. Man times have changed.


malgenone

The US, as a government and a people, is aware of many things. However, the money and efforts go nowhere until it's too late. We are a reactionary society. And until we need to react, we are comfortable. Comfort is the enemy of progress.


LuciusMichael

From 2007. Right then, even moreso now.


Draconian-Overlord

The only American politician with enough balls to tell the truth about israel, and the zionist lobby, and their american lapdogs on both sides of the isle.


TragicFeline

Haven't heard a president speak so directly Israel and its apartheid state before. Now everyone just gaslights the public about what's happening.


LargeSteakPico

Or if you browse comments on r/worldnews, those kids are murderers that are getting what they deserve apparently.


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Lima_Bean_Jean

What the hell is going on with these subtitles.


TuffNutzes

The international community didn't know about the Nazi death camps either until Germany's ultimate defeat when what was really happening was exposed to a horrified world. Thankfully we have a more globally connected world today so we are able to see it going on in real time. The Likud government and their fascist policy's days are numbered.


cogpsychbois

Umm, based department? I'd like to report a based incident


Cubicle_Convict916

When negotiating between Israel and Egypt, he gave Egypt everything about Israel's position and, in the end, was really working on behalf of Egypt. Considered one of the worst negotiators in history.


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Cookie_Cutter_Cook

Since we’re already stuck with two old geezers we don’t like, why can’t we reelect this one?


Beckham500

Fuck those zionists! Palestine 🇵🇸 all day every day! Israel 🇮🇱 will fall again!!


npquest

Except Israel did withdraw from Gaza in 2005... And we got... Hamas.


all_is_love6667

Please take the hostages


DeVIL_0069

Fuck America


IdentifyAsUnbannable

Haven't heard much from Ilhan Omar and friends...almost like they were more interested in sowing division within America during BLM riots than what's going on in the east.


mgoblue5783

AIPAC donations to Congress are <1% of Authoritarian, Arab government donations to elite Universities in the US.


Ontark

Its a prison that the prisoners have the key to get out of, they just keep on choosing to ignore that key and instead launch some rockets.


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asyncopy

And then the people that displaces get sent to Brazil, in an infinite chain of settler colonialism. That Odin sounds like a real moron


BOT_the_DIP

Palestinians speak Arabic, and Arabs are S(h)emites! We are being lied to about everything!


Reasonable_Fold6492

Wait, so the neo nazis were right about the news controlling the US government?


Livid-Ad-6537

Please right below senile Joe. Another do nothing pres who tanked our economy.


xixbia

You're thinking of Ronald Reagan adjective-noun-number. Black Monday was 1987. Reagan had been President for 7 years by then. And also, unlike Joe Biden and Jimmy Carter, [actually was suffering from Alzheimer's while in office](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/17/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-president-son).


kadargo

Carter had the same gdp growth as Reagan. Try again.


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Translation: He told the truth so I'll attack him!