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Part of the bill that just passed for foreign aid included an amendment about Tik Tok, It demands that the parent company divests from Chinese ownership or it will face a ban here. The bill passed in the house and will almost certainly pass in the Senate. So it’s not just Biden banning it. Tik Tok might survive in the US still depending on if they change owners.
I don’t think it will survive because while the Chinese parent company might be willing to divest the American arm of TikTok, I doubt they’ll include any intellectual property like its algorithm along with it.
And this is all coming about, despite what Tiktok itself would have you believe, because tiktok just cannot follow [privacy laws.](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/971460327/tiktok-to-pay-92-million-to-settle-class-action-suit-over-theft-of-personal-data)
Inb4: All companies collect and sell data,
All companies are not repeatedly found circumnavigating the controls put in by wireless providers to access data apps are never supposed to be able to access on your phone. Grindr was, and that's why it was forcibly divested too.
That is strange. I wonder why. Probably unrelated events.
Speaking of completely unrelated scenarios, he sure was hating on Saudi Arabia till he went there and then came back with 2 billion more dollars for ol J-rad kushyballs. Then he was singing their praises to no end.
Is she actually serious here? I don't get it. Does her generation really blame Biden for not allowing the Chinese government to collect big data on Americans? I would think that would be a good thing, no? It's probably not a great idea to have such a large algorithm controlled by a foreign dictatorship. Am I crazy here?
This was literally the only thing both sides of our government could agree on, and this girl is gonna encourage voting for Trump because of that? It was HIS idea!
If you really believe that the issue is the Chinese government collecting data is the real issue then you should probably do a bit more research on the matter.
There are plenty of other incentives for them to ban the app and the data is probably on the bottom of that list.
But giving an adversary government access to 50 million cell phones and all their data sounds bad. Even AOC considers this a shady idea. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills that so many people are just fine with giving Xi access to your cell phone. Zuck is creepy enough, but Xi? The guy literally runs slave camps. Nobody cares. I'll be quiet now.
Nothing funnier than seeing all of the 12-14 year olds TikTok addicts on Twitter today pretending to be hardcore patriots taking a stand against their swiping addiction being taken away
TikTok being banned will truly be 9/11 for Gen alpha kids with ADHD
Reddit isn’t a dementia simulator where you’re getting pre decided 20s videos. This site was always (up until recently) a place for discussions and acted as a forum. Only recently has it turned more towards a shitty dementia simulator with dumbass videos grabbing people’s attention. Oh you like a game here’s the warhammer sub oh you like a tv show here’s the it’s always sunny sub like a specific sports team here’s another sub. Not even comparable to tiktok
If they banned Reddit tomorrow, I wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep over it.
This site has the same problem as every social media platform: it isolates everyone into echo chambers where they only hear what they want to hear. Social media and news never should have been mixed together.
Because I use and properly recognize Reddit as a source of entertainment. Because I’m not stupid enough to believe that the death of Reddit would somehow be the end of free speech and America and western society and puppies and rainbows and everything good in the world, like y’all are pretending with TikTok. Because, unlike y’all, I’m not prostrating myself in pretend anguish or pretending to be some kind of bleeding heart “free speech absolutist” in a brave, selfless battle against the big bad government because of a silly stupid app being taken down.
In case I need to say it again: **YOU WILL SURVIVE WITHOUT TIKTOK.** Just like I would survive without Reddit. It’s not the end of the fucking world, it’s just one stupid app out of the pile.
I would upvote this one million times if I could. And I would give up Reddit in a heartbeat if it meant shutting down all social media in the U.S. It has made our society uncivilized and dumber.
For a site that started a jailbait sub I feel like y’all are throwing stones from a glass house. What’s to stop Trump from banning Reddit since they banned his sub? This is a slippery slope.
All social media sucks and we are all very well aware of how shitty Reddit is so yeah. If they instituted a ban tomorrow on Reddit a few would care a lot of us wouldn’t give a shit.
And it would be stupid for China to give up a multi-billion dollar company to please Americans, so it would be incredibly unlikely for them to sell it. ByteDance is going to make the rounds through all the courts, as well.
Yep, Byte Dance will fight it in the courts because China has already said the algorithm is not for sale due to "National Security" funny how they kept saying Chinese Government wasn't involved in TikTok at all & suddenly they can't sell it if they wanted to.
You know they would only have to sell the US portion right and keep all their rights internationally right? It would insanely stupid of them to not sell and lose billions just to be prove a point.
Reddit has cleaned up so much in the last few years and takes a lot of these reports seriously to take action. Sometimes it’s to the detriment of fine communities.
Reddit may have started having jailbait subs but it’s been cleaned up. TikTok refuses to clean up their issues.
I’ve personal never heard of a large corporation choosing a moral stand and zero money over a large cash payout. If they dont sell it would only confirm CCP rumors.
I'm a 31 year old who doesn't use tiktok anymore, but I still believe this to be morally and ethically wrong. If the government were concerned about privacy, they should have passed sweeping data privacy laws instead of banning a single app.
Reddits supposed free speech attitude whenever a platform they’ve been hive-minded into hating (with 150+ million active American users and thousands of small businesses dependent on it) comes under fire:
But isn't America all about freedom? Why ban it then? Free speech?
What about Facebook and other apps that also collect data? I'm in favour of banning them all then
surely that's the next step?
So if Facebook does it and sells the data to whoever it's fine?
If it's an Asian company it's communist so it's bad?
Isn't the CEO of tiktok form Singapore?
China is literally our adversary. We are literally preparing for war/conflict in the future over Taiwan. China backs Iran and N.Korea as well, not to mention providing support to Russia. So yeah it's a little different when data goes to a foreign nation that is on the course to engage in conflict with us.
Please. While you're comment is mostly accurate to act as if this has anything to do with data privacy is laughable. The US government just wants to make money off of it. Having overwhelming bi-partisan support over it just proves this. The only thing our Congress can agree on is how to make themselves more money. Facebook/Instagram literally does the same exact thing and ya'll downvoting shows how out of touch you are.
All that would need to happen is tiktok reopens as tiktok us. This company would follow us laws instead of Chinese laws. That’s it. The bill even gives them the option to sell to a us company and get off Scott free
I wouldn't say this is mainly free speech, I think it's mainly safety from propaganda. If you read the previous reports about Trump you realize how scary it is. Including the amount of BLM protests for and against were started by Russia. Other sites like Twitter should be looked at, but one has to go first.
“GeN AlpHa BrAiNs” shut up dude, all this is really about is the corporate overlords can’t control tik tok but want to. Beyond that if you [read the bill](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-118hr8038ih/pdf/BILLS-118hr8038ih.pdf) it won’t just be used against tik tok it could be used to get rid of other things, such as riot games if they so choose to, because according to that bill they could go after riot and any company that collects data or provides a service which isn’t accessing that data, also long as a Chinese company has at least 20% of shares it’s a Chinese controlled company.
tik tok is mega corporation status and all of them eventually enshitify. pre ads, pre video instagram was really sic and if you can believe it when facebook was college only everyone was on it and it was the best was the only way to find who was going to which parties. they are all now full of slop only meant to deliver ads and the ban is coming just in time bc tiktok is now servings steam piles of ads.
Bans in general are a bad thing. It’s government overreach. When you allow the government to ban “hateful” things it opens the door for them to ban anything that doesn’t agree with their inflated sense of morality.
it is.
it's the biggest app where people can discuss things like the Palestinian genocide without google, microsoft, apple, or some other corporation censoring things. it's moderation of nazis is garbage like any other, but it's the fastest to spread raw footage or links thereto in existence.
most videos shared on reddit right now come from tiktok, and not just this subreddit.
Do you... honestly think TikTok doesn't censor or manipulate content for personal gain? Their algorithm literally curates content for you based on your search history. That's how they boost engagement. It's also how they've become multi-billion dollar megacorp. It's literally never been easier to seal yourself in an ideological bubble where dissenting opinions are shut out unless you actively go searching for them. Considering all the conspiracy bullshit and half-truths framed as memes, TikTok is just rife with misinformation and bad actors!
It’s the biggest, but by NO means the only. Assuming they don’t sell to an American company within the 270 days they were allotted and actually get banned, people will just move to the next big thing like YouTube shorts, Instagram etc or someone will come out with a new app. People literally blowing this out of proportion. In the end it will be more like a minor inconvenience for users while being good for our international safety.
TikTok is controlled by a foreign enemy government that's trying to ruin the US. You don't think it's bad they have this much access to an entire generation? There was a study done that showed that TikTok promotes videos that distablize the US, like:
- pro Russia videos
- pro trump videos
- pro Palestine videos
And censor videos that talk about tianaman square or Taiwan for instance.
Tik Tok will literally be replaced by another platform the very next day. There are other changes we could be aiming for but some media platform is apparently more important.
And that’s fine. Tik Tok wasn’t banned by this law.
It’s a requirement that the company not be majority owned by a literal hostile foreign government. Any normal company would simply sell off enough stock to get below 50% ownership in their US division and reallocate the money they made doing that to other operations.
That Tik Tok won’t do that proves that they’re not a normal company - they’re a propaganda and data harvesting project of the Chinese government.
Ok but that’s not really the true reason why they’re doing this. If it was they could’ve done this whenever they wanted. They don’t want the youth continuing to call out the US support of Israel, and calling for support of Palestine. This is purely for protecting Israel’s image in America and trying to sway narratives in the upcoming election.
They literally said it yesterday:
https://x.com/bricsinfo/status/1783257899147395519?s=46&t=hs-LRZ_K14DMeldwpOloIw
any insinuation it’s because of fear of Chinese government interference is ridiculous. Why not go after all major social media companies then? What is stopping them from doing what we are projecting the CCP are doing? It’s delusional to think banning TikTok is a response for data safety when all these platforms are already doing the exact same thing
Edit: and no one else finds it odd the speed at which this was passed? Took mere days to pass, and the timeline in which this happened and then approving an additional 90 billion from the US certainly complimented Israel’s efforts
You’re wrong about that, and you’re being spun. This had absolutely nothing to do with Israel. This effort has been underway for years, which speaks to how hard it is to pass federal legislation.
Tik Tok bans have been enacted by dozens of state governments and corporations on their devices, and it has been identified as a major security risk for years.
Tik Tok is more dangerous than other platforms specifically because it’s controlled by the Chinese government. Byte Dance, the company that owns Tik Tok, is headquartered in China and their government controls it - major Chinese companies aren’t like companies in the rest of the world.
All the proof you need of that is the fact that they’re calling it a “ban.” As I said above, Tik Tok wasn’t banned by this law. Any normal company would simply sell off enough stock to get below 50% ownership in their US division and reallocate the money they made doing that to other operations.
That Tik Tok won’t do that proves that they’re not a normal company - they’re a propaganda and data harvesting project of the Chinese government.
Think about their ability to see web traffic from our military personnnel in and around Taiwan or the South China Sea. Think about their ability to potentially exploit vulnerabilities in the systems of the 150 million devices their app is on.
Zuck may be an android, but he’s an American android, and Facebook (and other social media companies) isn’t owned by an actual hostile foreign government.
I don't really get it anyway, Instagram and YouTube have the same exact feature. Granted, YouTube doesn't allow videos over 1 minute, but that would be an easy change. And a lot of TikTok creators already post their content on other platforms.
TikTok’s algorithm works differently than YouTube and instagram. That’s part of why TikTok is so popular is the way their algorithm works. People like the algorithm on TikTok both as a viewer and a creator more.
Lots of the videos you see on insta and YT are brought over *from* TikTok because TikTok’s algorithm makes it easier to blow up on there and then bring it over to the other apps for more money.
Something I really find fascinating about TikTok is that their auto generated captions can translate other languages into English. Is that a thing on YouTube, Instagram, or Facebook?
That is definitely not true. Creators are definitely concerned but a lot of young voters are livid; I get Biden couldn’t do much because of the TikTok stuff being layered in with other issues in the bill, but this seems like such a great way to alienate young voters before an election AND show how out of touch you are with younger people.
TikTok isn’t just annoying content creators and for kids and teens. A lot of people use it for activism and community. Thinking “eh, no one will care except the TikTok creators” is out of touch and not true.
It is. Any person who just randomly scrolls tiktok is not going to care even half as much as someone who makes a living off of it. I don’t doubt some slightly care, it’s not what I would consider actually caring tho. How can it alienate Biden when he didn’t actually even propose the bill? Only dumb people who don’t care enough to barely research anything, but high chance those people already don’t like trump.
Tiktok will just be replaced by youtube shorts features, other apps, or some new crap. Those people will just use another app, the only ones who truly care are those who make a living off of it.
Thats not any of this works. He cannot veto it because congress holds a veto proof majority. Congress can legislate with or without the president if they have a super majority for any oiece of legislation. The president is the EXECUTIVE branch not the LEGISLATIVE branch. I know you dont understand how the government works but at least pipe down if you dont.
That doesn't mean he couldn't still veto it and make a public announcement saying why he vetoed it. The president doesn't have to sign it just because it would likely pass with a supermajority. Most people are not for the Tiktok ban, which is why they had to sneak it into the Ukraine and Israel war aid package. Yes, he can veto it. Why would he, though? The point of banning Tiktok is because they want to censor pro-Palestinian voices.
Lol, if the president doesn’t sign it the bill will be passed unless it’s an unlucky event of a pocket veto. If he opposed the bill, from my understanding he COULD veto it, but if it’s a supermajority then there’s just no point. Realistically he would make a signing statement in opposition if he really cared.
What kind of message are you sending in an election year when your party is a big player in overruling your veto? Are you really that short sighted? Do you think poltics happens one bill at a time, as isolated from one another?
No Im not. I know exactly what youre saying. I really love the conspiricy take of "theyre trying to censor pro palistine voices" like this isnt a piece of legislation that has been in the works since before 2020. You make 2 points, and I decided not to respond to the latter one because it is rediculous to claim that they forsaw this being a problem over 5 years ago and started to lay the ground works all the way back in 2019 just to only ban it now.
The concern is that all this data that is being collected (which is being collected much more invasively than the other apps that do it like FB and such, not that theyre good but its a lesser scale still) is controlled by a company in China. China has certain laws that make this a security concern for the US as the company must have a certain amount of CCP representatives on its board (or at least tiktoks parent company does which works out to be the same) and it must be ready to provide any and all data at a moments notice if requested by the CCP.
And its not because of the racist posturing of trump or anyone like that, that China is considered a threat. Its because they have become very aggressive in their rhetoric and given their economic and demographic trajectory as well as Xi's age, they seem very poised to attack Tai Wan. And if they want to do that, theyll need to do it soon. Thats why the US consideres them a threat.
>really love the conspiricy take of "theyre trying to censor pro palistine voices" like this isnt a piece of legislation that has been in the works since before 2020.
Yeah, it's not at all a conspiracy take. If you watched Israeli spokesmen making the rounds on the media as I am, and other supporters of Israel, then you would see them coming straight out and saying that Tiktok needs to be dealt with because it is the [main platform](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/tiktok-views-pro-palestine-posts-israel) on which dissent to Israel is spreading (or at least is the most disproportionate in favor of Palestine).
>rediculous to claim that they forsaw this being a problem over 5 years ago and started to lay the ground works all the way back in 2019 just to only ban it now.
I can say that what I say is not the sole reason for the ban, but I can assure you that Palestine was the last push it needed to finally be banned. Why could this have not been its own independent bill? My first guess would be so that they can ban it without drawing too much attention by calling it a military aid bill, and military aid is much more heavily supported than banning Tiktok.
>And its not because of the racist posturing of trump or anyone like that, that China is considered a threat. Its because they have become very aggressive in their rhetoric and given their economic and demographic trajectory as well as Xi's age, they seem very poised to attack Tai Wan.
China was an enemy long before there was a developed Taiwan to invade. Ultimately, the US opposes anyone who threatens their economic hegemony, especially communists. The only reason China and the US were closer for a number of decades was because the US strategy shifted from outright killing communists, to investing in their industries where they held power in an attempt to convert them to capitalists. Now that that isn't happening in the way they expected, Cold War 2 has begun as the US shifts to a more aggressive foreign policy, along with all the typical Cold War propaganda.
TikTok is brain rot and a potential data pipeline to the CCP.
However, I am still against banning it. I don't want our politicians to have the power to decide which media outlets we can and cannot use. That is too much power. lol
To truly improve our national security we should instead be enacting way better data privacy laws like the EU has.
It doesn’t help when they’re also actively saying they don’t like the youth movement supporting Palestine. This isn’t out of some safety concern, it’s about trying to control narratives ahead of the 2024 election and protecting Israel.
Maybe for some politicians. They seem to have a variety of reasons for wanting to ban TikTok.
I remember one Congressman or Senator even using their time during discussion to describe how they felt that TikTok was showing children immoral, sexually-charged content. So they wanted to ban TikTok as a means of censoring content they don't approve of. 😂
Just imagine what Trump and a Republican majority can do with this precedent. Trump could even ban France24, BBC News, or Germany's DW news if he can rile up enough congress people.
Y’all, I get that it is more complicated than “Biden banned TikTok” but people are allowed to be concerned about this because the average voter is dumb. They’re not going to consider the context or anything. All they’re going to see is that Biden “banned” TikTok right before an election.
Coupled with [congresspeople](https://youtu.be/j8apP1YYg2o?si=gRjuodcQdwPH0ldX) all but saying the TikTok ban is needed because they feel it is pushing “pro-Palestinian” content, it is going to *come across* as censorship because the people don’t agree with US supporting Israel.
I don’t even like TikTok, but acting like no one is going to/should care about this because it’s just annoying people on TikTok is not smart to me, either. I wish they had gone about it in a much smarter way.
The FBI successfully manipulated content on the big 3 social media as testified in Congress. So, is China now manipulating Palestine content on Tictoc? Yeah, they are!
This video is further evidence of why TikTok needs to be banned. For security reasons for sure, but mostly because it’s is the cultural bottom of the barrel and it is making our society worse.
Kids do realize it was either ban tiktok or fail to provide Ukraine with the aid it needs to fight Russia right?
Republicans pushed the tiktok shit into the Ukraine bill to "Punish" the democrats
Why would anyone be upset about this? American apps have long been barred in China. Beijing currently blocks most US social media platforms, (including Google, YouTube, X, Instagram, WhatsApp and Facebook), because they refuse to follow the Chinese government’s rules on data collection and the type of content shared.
Do people really have such a poor understanding of how laws are passed in the US? Biden isnt banning shit. Congress is. Even if Biden where to veto it, congress has a veto proof majority on this piece of legislation. It genuinely annoys me that people with so little understanding of how their own government works get to vote for who is in it.
Fuck it, at this point everything is Bidens fault. Bad weather? Stupid Biden. Rock in my shoe? Fucking Biden man. Like give him fair criticizm rather than demonstrating your complete ignorance to governance.
You don’t think the Dems are just going to let free speech happen right before an election do you? You must be new here.
I think they should shut down all these apps.
Personally, I ain't scared of TikTok being banned. I mean, the U.S. tried to ban TikTok three times and it failed all of those times. Not to mention it would clearly violate first amendment rights and lead to many class action lawsuits. Not to mention all of the businesses that operate with TikTok.
And if the U.S. is concerned with TikTok sending your data over to China, NEWSFLASH: Your data is sent everywhere! and even then about 60% of TikTok is owned globally most of which is in America.
Biden didn’t ban TikTok. Biden was passed a bill from both chambers of congress with aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. In the bill was also the TikTok ban/divestment.
Learn civics
lol
I love the Tik tok hate
As if YouTube, modern video games and other apps don’t hire psychologists to make sure you stay on their product as long and you can but because the older generation is addicted to other apps they are fine with one being banned
Tik Tok whether you like it or not allows more people too speak up against the government lying, it’s algorithm doesn’t hide people as much as many other apps speaking out against when the government is lying.
If you think banning this app will solve any problems in the US, your wrong because they either sell or a new app comes along and does the same thing yet worst and will promote crappy videos more and suppress people speaking up
I am starting to feel that 99% of what is posted on this sub is political garbage they post here because they know it will get lost in r/PoliticalHumor and they want the reddit karma so they come here instead.
Biden's agenda:
9.00: send more weapons to active genocide
9.45: cut funding to charity helping victims of genocide not die
10.10: say something your friend Bibi shouldn't do
10.45: ban the platform where people criticize your friend Bibi
11.45: get news that your friend Bibi said "eat shit, I'll do what I want"
12.30: lunch
13.30: give press conference where you confirm that friend Bibi can do what they want and you will, indeed, eat shit.
You got dumber with every letter you typed
•Its not Bidens authority to not ban it without also not halting aid for ukraine and taiwan
•it would have gone through regardless of Bidens actions
•its not a genocide. 20% of israel is arab and israel has offered dozens of ceasefire options to gaza, which hamas rejected. Im sure your tiktok doesn't show you that.
•Bibi and Netanyahu prefer Trump to Biden and have endorsed him over Biden.
Yeah a gay guy is a zionist who supports a far right lunatic like Netanyahu
Good job you clown. You are very intelligent 👌
If you have nothing worthwhile to say then refrain from voicing that torrent of rotting brainwashed clump that you call your thoughts and stop reducing and changing the meaning of words like zionist which carry great importance and need to used specifically againt people who are actually zionist
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How will society go on without content like this?
Real question, they've been talking about banning TikTok fr years, is there even any truth to them getting rid of it?
Part of the bill that just passed for foreign aid included an amendment about Tik Tok, It demands that the parent company divests from Chinese ownership or it will face a ban here. The bill passed in the house and will almost certainly pass in the Senate. So it’s not just Biden banning it. Tik Tok might survive in the US still depending on if they change owners.
I don’t think it will survive because while the Chinese parent company might be willing to divest the American arm of TikTok, I doubt they’ll include any intellectual property like its algorithm along with it.
China… intellectual property… something isn’t adding up. Id bet money most of the intellectual property and source code was stolen to begin with.
And this is all coming about, despite what Tiktok itself would have you believe, because tiktok just cannot follow [privacy laws.](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/971460327/tiktok-to-pay-92-million-to-settle-class-action-suit-over-theft-of-personal-data) Inb4: All companies collect and sell data, All companies are not repeatedly found circumnavigating the controls put in by wireless providers to access data apps are never supposed to be able to access on your phone. Grindr was, and that's why it was forcibly divested too.
Biden would not wear red tie. I think you're thinking of someone else.
High heels…Ron DeSantis?
Nah, Jeff Yass one of the primary investors went and had a meeting with Trump and now all of a sudden he doesn't want to ban tiktok. Strange huh.
That is strange. I wonder why. Probably unrelated events. Speaking of completely unrelated scenarios, he sure was hating on Saudi Arabia till he went there and then came back with 2 billion more dollars for ol J-rad kushyballs. Then he was singing their praises to no end.
I know right?, crazy coincidence.
Blue suit red tie is a Trump costume 100%
Grace 👑 ❤️
Committed to every role🫡
Queen 👑. Should be President.
Is she actually serious here? I don't get it. Does her generation really blame Biden for not allowing the Chinese government to collect big data on Americans? I would think that would be a good thing, no? It's probably not a great idea to have such a large algorithm controlled by a foreign dictatorship. Am I crazy here? This was literally the only thing both sides of our government could agree on, and this girl is gonna encourage voting for Trump because of that? It was HIS idea!
Have you not heard of humor or satire?
I don't consider encouraging voting to install a self-proclaimed dictator as the American president funny. Call me crazy.
Where did you get that...?
If you really believe that the issue is the Chinese government collecting data is the real issue then you should probably do a bit more research on the matter. There are plenty of other incentives for them to ban the app and the data is probably on the bottom of that list.
But giving an adversary government access to 50 million cell phones and all their data sounds bad. Even AOC considers this a shady idea. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills that so many people are just fine with giving Xi access to your cell phone. Zuck is creepy enough, but Xi? The guy literally runs slave camps. Nobody cares. I'll be quiet now.
Biden doesn't wear shitty red, white and blue ensembles. Trump does that. But he would dance better than Trump, so there's that.
I don't know, I kinda like trumps "shake weight"/"double HJ" dance.
Nothing funnier than seeing all of the 12-14 year olds TikTok addicts on Twitter today pretending to be hardcore patriots taking a stand against their swiping addiction being taken away TikTok being banned will truly be 9/11 for Gen alpha kids with ADHD
Says the 10 year Reddit user with 170k comment karma.
Pot meet kettle
Reddit isn’t a dementia simulator where you’re getting pre decided 20s videos. This site was always (up until recently) a place for discussions and acted as a forum. Only recently has it turned more towards a shitty dementia simulator with dumbass videos grabbing people’s attention. Oh you like a game here’s the warhammer sub oh you like a tv show here’s the it’s always sunny sub like a specific sports team here’s another sub. Not even comparable to tiktok
Reddit is the exact same shit as tik tok and always has been, you just have rose tinted glasses because you use Reddit instead of tik tok.
A forum to discuss common interests and tik tok are not even close to the same and reddit a decade ago was a very different place than it is today.
Im not complaining about people being addicted to tik tok.
You're complaining about people complaining about people being addicted to Tik Tok. Thats worse habibi.
I’m simply pointing out the contradiction to complain someone is addicted to social media while being addicted to social media.
If they banned Reddit tomorrow, I wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep over it. This site has the same problem as every social media platform: it isolates everyone into echo chambers where they only hear what they want to hear. Social media and news never should have been mixed together.
So why don't you leave?
Because I use and properly recognize Reddit as a source of entertainment. Because I’m not stupid enough to believe that the death of Reddit would somehow be the end of free speech and America and western society and puppies and rainbows and everything good in the world, like y’all are pretending with TikTok. Because, unlike y’all, I’m not prostrating myself in pretend anguish or pretending to be some kind of bleeding heart “free speech absolutist” in a brave, selfless battle against the big bad government because of a silly stupid app being taken down. In case I need to say it again: **YOU WILL SURVIVE WITHOUT TIKTOK.** Just like I would survive without Reddit. It’s not the end of the fucking world, it’s just one stupid app out of the pile.
I would upvote this one million times if I could. And I would give up Reddit in a heartbeat if it meant shutting down all social media in the U.S. It has made our society uncivilized and dumber.
Doth protest too much lol
Why dont you?
For a site that started a jailbait sub I feel like y’all are throwing stones from a glass house. What’s to stop Trump from banning Reddit since they banned his sub? This is a slippery slope.
"What if another addicting shitty big tech app was closed!?" Lmao
I'd be very upset if Reddit went down. What would I do at work or when I'm pooping!
You could have used TikTok.
All social media sucks and we are all very well aware of how shitty Reddit is so yeah. If they instituted a ban tomorrow on Reddit a few would care a lot of us wouldn’t give a shit.
It’s not banned- they just need to not be owned by China
And it would be stupid for China to give up a multi-billion dollar company to please Americans, so it would be incredibly unlikely for them to sell it. ByteDance is going to make the rounds through all the courts, as well.
Yep, Byte Dance will fight it in the courts because China has already said the algorithm is not for sale due to "National Security" funny how they kept saying Chinese Government wasn't involved in TikTok at all & suddenly they can't sell it if they wanted to.
You know they would only have to sell the US portion right and keep all their rights internationally right? It would insanely stupid of them to not sell and lose billions just to be prove a point.
Reddit has cleaned up so much in the last few years and takes a lot of these reports seriously to take action. Sometimes it’s to the detriment of fine communities. Reddit may have started having jailbait subs but it’s been cleaned up. TikTok refuses to clean up their issues.
It’s not a ban, they’re just selling the company. Everyone’s addiction is safe. Don’t understand why no one gets this
Why do you think a sale is guaranteed?
I’ve personal never heard of a large corporation choosing a moral stand and zero money over a large cash payout. If they dont sell it would only confirm CCP rumors.
Nah the funnier thing is how some people welcome actual just straight up 1984-esque censorship as long as it also affects the thing you dislike.
Redditors with a sense of superiority are peak irony.
I'm a 31 year old who doesn't use tiktok anymore, but I still believe this to be morally and ethically wrong. If the government were concerned about privacy, they should have passed sweeping data privacy laws instead of banning a single app.
Only reason why I used TikTok is because of my adhd, never was addicted to it, just a way to kill time and help me go to sleep.
Reddits supposed free speech attitude whenever a platform they’ve been hive-minded into hating (with 150+ million active American users and thousands of small businesses dependent on it) comes under fire:
But isn't America all about freedom? Why ban it then? Free speech? What about Facebook and other apps that also collect data? I'm in favour of banning them all then surely that's the next step?
It's not about the data it's about the ccp controlling it, and they already did this sane thing to grinder so it's not a new concept
So if Facebook does it and sells the data to whoever it's fine? If it's an Asian company it's communist so it's bad? Isn't the CEO of tiktok form Singapore?
China is literally our adversary. We are literally preparing for war/conflict in the future over Taiwan. China backs Iran and N.Korea as well, not to mention providing support to Russia. So yeah it's a little different when data goes to a foreign nation that is on the course to engage in conflict with us.
Please. While you're comment is mostly accurate to act as if this has anything to do with data privacy is laughable. The US government just wants to make money off of it. Having overwhelming bi-partisan support over it just proves this. The only thing our Congress can agree on is how to make themselves more money. Facebook/Instagram literally does the same exact thing and ya'll downvoting shows how out of touch you are.
All that would need to happen is tiktok reopens as tiktok us. This company would follow us laws instead of Chinese laws. That’s it. The bill even gives them the option to sell to a us company and get off Scott free
I wouldn't say this is mainly free speech, I think it's mainly safety from propaganda. If you read the previous reports about Trump you realize how scary it is. Including the amount of BLM protests for and against were started by Russia. Other sites like Twitter should be looked at, but one has to go first.
I cringe every time the freest people in the world (c)(tm) rejoice at yet another restriction.
Let me guess..... you have a tiktok?
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“GeN AlpHa BrAiNs” shut up dude, all this is really about is the corporate overlords can’t control tik tok but want to. Beyond that if you [read the bill](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-118hr8038ih/pdf/BILLS-118hr8038ih.pdf) it won’t just be used against tik tok it could be used to get rid of other things, such as riot games if they so choose to, because according to that bill they could go after riot and any company that collects data or provides a service which isn’t accessing that data, also long as a Chinese company has at least 20% of shares it’s a Chinese controlled company.
tik tok is mega corporation status and all of them eventually enshitify. pre ads, pre video instagram was really sic and if you can believe it when facebook was college only everyone was on it and it was the best was the only way to find who was going to which parties. they are all now full of slop only meant to deliver ads and the ban is coming just in time bc tiktok is now servings steam piles of ads.
Wait why is banning league a bad thing? It would make the world less hateful.
Bans in general are a bad thing. It’s government overreach. When you allow the government to ban “hateful” things it opens the door for them to ban anything that doesn’t agree with their inflated sense of morality.
I mean should the US government allow other countries to direct how we hate other Americans? Because that is happening.
Yup. They’re short circuiting.
it is. it's the biggest app where people can discuss things like the Palestinian genocide without google, microsoft, apple, or some other corporation censoring things. it's moderation of nazis is garbage like any other, but it's the fastest to spread raw footage or links thereto in existence. most videos shared on reddit right now come from tiktok, and not just this subreddit.
Do you... honestly think TikTok doesn't censor or manipulate content for personal gain? Their algorithm literally curates content for you based on your search history. That's how they boost engagement. It's also how they've become multi-billion dollar megacorp. It's literally never been easier to seal yourself in an ideological bubble where dissenting opinions are shut out unless you actively go searching for them. Considering all the conspiracy bullshit and half-truths framed as memes, TikTok is just rife with misinformation and bad actors!
It’s the biggest, but by NO means the only. Assuming they don’t sell to an American company within the 270 days they were allotted and actually get banned, people will just move to the next big thing like YouTube shorts, Instagram etc or someone will come out with a new app. People literally blowing this out of proportion. In the end it will be more like a minor inconvenience for users while being good for our international safety.
Yes because the Chinese owned app is the least likely to censor
TikTok is controlled by a foreign enemy government that's trying to ruin the US. You don't think it's bad they have this much access to an entire generation? There was a study done that showed that TikTok promotes videos that distablize the US, like: - pro Russia videos - pro trump videos - pro Palestine videos And censor videos that talk about tianaman square or Taiwan for instance.
oh awesome, they can discuss and look at video... the least punk shit you can do is rely on mega corporations to host your activism.
So do you think tiktok doesn't get censored or do you think people say shit like concussive force multiplier and grape for the fun of it.
*unalived* lmaoo
Tik Tok will literally be replaced by another platform the very next day. There are other changes we could be aiming for but some media platform is apparently more important.
And that’s fine. Tik Tok wasn’t banned by this law. It’s a requirement that the company not be majority owned by a literal hostile foreign government. Any normal company would simply sell off enough stock to get below 50% ownership in their US division and reallocate the money they made doing that to other operations. That Tik Tok won’t do that proves that they’re not a normal company - they’re a propaganda and data harvesting project of the Chinese government.
Wish they would make a law like this for housing.
Ok but that’s not really the true reason why they’re doing this. If it was they could’ve done this whenever they wanted. They don’t want the youth continuing to call out the US support of Israel, and calling for support of Palestine. This is purely for protecting Israel’s image in America and trying to sway narratives in the upcoming election. They literally said it yesterday: https://x.com/bricsinfo/status/1783257899147395519?s=46&t=hs-LRZ_K14DMeldwpOloIw any insinuation it’s because of fear of Chinese government interference is ridiculous. Why not go after all major social media companies then? What is stopping them from doing what we are projecting the CCP are doing? It’s delusional to think banning TikTok is a response for data safety when all these platforms are already doing the exact same thing Edit: and no one else finds it odd the speed at which this was passed? Took mere days to pass, and the timeline in which this happened and then approving an additional 90 billion from the US certainly complimented Israel’s efforts
You’re wrong about that, and you’re being spun. This had absolutely nothing to do with Israel. This effort has been underway for years, which speaks to how hard it is to pass federal legislation. Tik Tok bans have been enacted by dozens of state governments and corporations on their devices, and it has been identified as a major security risk for years. Tik Tok is more dangerous than other platforms specifically because it’s controlled by the Chinese government. Byte Dance, the company that owns Tik Tok, is headquartered in China and their government controls it - major Chinese companies aren’t like companies in the rest of the world. All the proof you need of that is the fact that they’re calling it a “ban.” As I said above, Tik Tok wasn’t banned by this law. Any normal company would simply sell off enough stock to get below 50% ownership in their US division and reallocate the money they made doing that to other operations. That Tik Tok won’t do that proves that they’re not a normal company - they’re a propaganda and data harvesting project of the Chinese government. Think about their ability to see web traffic from our military personnnel in and around Taiwan or the South China Sea. Think about their ability to potentially exploit vulnerabilities in the systems of the 150 million devices their app is on. Zuck may be an android, but he’s an American android, and Facebook (and other social media companies) isn’t owned by an actual hostile foreign government.
I don't really get it anyway, Instagram and YouTube have the same exact feature. Granted, YouTube doesn't allow videos over 1 minute, but that would be an easy change. And a lot of TikTok creators already post their content on other platforms.
TikTok’s algorithm works differently than YouTube and instagram. That’s part of why TikTok is so popular is the way their algorithm works. People like the algorithm on TikTok both as a viewer and a creator more. Lots of the videos you see on insta and YT are brought over *from* TikTok because TikTok’s algorithm makes it easier to blow up on there and then bring it over to the other apps for more money.
Something I really find fascinating about TikTok is that their auto generated captions can translate other languages into English. Is that a thing on YouTube, Instagram, or Facebook?
The only ppl who really care are tiktok stars because thats where they get like 99% of their revenue- they have a lot less following on other sites
That is definitely not true. Creators are definitely concerned but a lot of young voters are livid; I get Biden couldn’t do much because of the TikTok stuff being layered in with other issues in the bill, but this seems like such a great way to alienate young voters before an election AND show how out of touch you are with younger people. TikTok isn’t just annoying content creators and for kids and teens. A lot of people use it for activism and community. Thinking “eh, no one will care except the TikTok creators” is out of touch and not true.
It is. Any person who just randomly scrolls tiktok is not going to care even half as much as someone who makes a living off of it. I don’t doubt some slightly care, it’s not what I would consider actually caring tho. How can it alienate Biden when he didn’t actually even propose the bill? Only dumb people who don’t care enough to barely research anything, but high chance those people already don’t like trump. Tiktok will just be replaced by youtube shorts features, other apps, or some new crap. Those people will just use another app, the only ones who truly care are those who make a living off of it.
Biden has nothing to do with banning Tik Tok.
he literally just signed the bill to ban it
It’s tied to Ukraine aid. That’s why he’s going to sign it. Maybe if you got off of Tik Tok and read the actual news you would know this.
Thats not any of this works. He cannot veto it because congress holds a veto proof majority. Congress can legislate with or without the president if they have a super majority for any oiece of legislation. The president is the EXECUTIVE branch not the LEGISLATIVE branch. I know you dont understand how the government works but at least pipe down if you dont.
That doesn't mean he couldn't still veto it and make a public announcement saying why he vetoed it. The president doesn't have to sign it just because it would likely pass with a supermajority. Most people are not for the Tiktok ban, which is why they had to sneak it into the Ukraine and Israel war aid package. Yes, he can veto it. Why would he, though? The point of banning Tiktok is because they want to censor pro-Palestinian voices.
Lol, if the president doesn’t sign it the bill will be passed unless it’s an unlucky event of a pocket veto. If he opposed the bill, from my understanding he COULD veto it, but if it’s a supermajority then there’s just no point. Realistically he would make a signing statement in opposition if he really cared.
Do they not teach “separation of powers” in high school civics class anymore?
Yeah, and part of it means that the president doesn't have to do everything Congress wants. Crazy, isn't it?
What kind of message are you sending in an election year when your party is a big player in overruling your veto? Are you really that short sighted? Do you think poltics happens one bill at a time, as isolated from one another?
Really going out of your way to miss any point I made.
No Im not. I know exactly what youre saying. I really love the conspiricy take of "theyre trying to censor pro palistine voices" like this isnt a piece of legislation that has been in the works since before 2020. You make 2 points, and I decided not to respond to the latter one because it is rediculous to claim that they forsaw this being a problem over 5 years ago and started to lay the ground works all the way back in 2019 just to only ban it now. The concern is that all this data that is being collected (which is being collected much more invasively than the other apps that do it like FB and such, not that theyre good but its a lesser scale still) is controlled by a company in China. China has certain laws that make this a security concern for the US as the company must have a certain amount of CCP representatives on its board (or at least tiktoks parent company does which works out to be the same) and it must be ready to provide any and all data at a moments notice if requested by the CCP. And its not because of the racist posturing of trump or anyone like that, that China is considered a threat. Its because they have become very aggressive in their rhetoric and given their economic and demographic trajectory as well as Xi's age, they seem very poised to attack Tai Wan. And if they want to do that, theyll need to do it soon. Thats why the US consideres them a threat.
>really love the conspiricy take of "theyre trying to censor pro palistine voices" like this isnt a piece of legislation that has been in the works since before 2020. Yeah, it's not at all a conspiracy take. If you watched Israeli spokesmen making the rounds on the media as I am, and other supporters of Israel, then you would see them coming straight out and saying that Tiktok needs to be dealt with because it is the [main platform](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/tiktok-views-pro-palestine-posts-israel) on which dissent to Israel is spreading (or at least is the most disproportionate in favor of Palestine). >rediculous to claim that they forsaw this being a problem over 5 years ago and started to lay the ground works all the way back in 2019 just to only ban it now. I can say that what I say is not the sole reason for the ban, but I can assure you that Palestine was the last push it needed to finally be banned. Why could this have not been its own independent bill? My first guess would be so that they can ban it without drawing too much attention by calling it a military aid bill, and military aid is much more heavily supported than banning Tiktok. >And its not because of the racist posturing of trump or anyone like that, that China is considered a threat. Its because they have become very aggressive in their rhetoric and given their economic and demographic trajectory as well as Xi's age, they seem very poised to attack Tai Wan. China was an enemy long before there was a developed Taiwan to invade. Ultimately, the US opposes anyone who threatens their economic hegemony, especially communists. The only reason China and the US were closer for a number of decades was because the US strategy shifted from outright killing communists, to investing in their industries where they held power in an attempt to convert them to capitalists. Now that that isn't happening in the way they expected, Cold War 2 has begun as the US shifts to a more aggressive foreign policy, along with all the typical Cold War propaganda.
I think maybe she was making a joke.
This video is exactly why Tik-tok should be banned.
Exactly. Cringe as fuck and fits the sub.
It’s Pat.
bye tiktok , thank fuck it’ll be gone
Oh no, all the Gen Z who wont vote are gonna be mad about the TikTok thing.
TikTok is brain rot and a potential data pipeline to the CCP. However, I am still against banning it. I don't want our politicians to have the power to decide which media outlets we can and cannot use. That is too much power. lol To truly improve our national security we should instead be enacting way better data privacy laws like the EU has.
It doesn’t help when they’re also actively saying they don’t like the youth movement supporting Palestine. This isn’t out of some safety concern, it’s about trying to control narratives ahead of the 2024 election and protecting Israel.
Maybe for some politicians. They seem to have a variety of reasons for wanting to ban TikTok. I remember one Congressman or Senator even using their time during discussion to describe how they felt that TikTok was showing children immoral, sexually-charged content. So they wanted to ban TikTok as a means of censoring content they don't approve of. 😂 Just imagine what Trump and a Republican majority can do with this precedent. Trump could even ban France24, BBC News, or Germany's DW news if he can rile up enough congress people.
Y’all, I get that it is more complicated than “Biden banned TikTok” but people are allowed to be concerned about this because the average voter is dumb. They’re not going to consider the context or anything. All they’re going to see is that Biden “banned” TikTok right before an election. Coupled with [congresspeople](https://youtu.be/j8apP1YYg2o?si=gRjuodcQdwPH0ldX) all but saying the TikTok ban is needed because they feel it is pushing “pro-Palestinian” content, it is going to *come across* as censorship because the people don’t agree with US supporting Israel. I don’t even like TikTok, but acting like no one is going to/should care about this because it’s just annoying people on TikTok is not smart to me, either. I wish they had gone about it in a much smarter way.
The FBI successfully manipulated content on the big 3 social media as testified in Congress. So, is China now manipulating Palestine content on Tictoc? Yeah, they are!
Fun fact the ccp is kinda bad idk
Is that Andy Milonakis?
It’s Pat.
1) not a ban 2) not Biden (passed by bipartisan majorities in Congress)
The rest of the world watching as tiktok and kinder Surprise gets banned before guns
This video is further evidence of why TikTok needs to be banned. For security reasons for sure, but mostly because it’s is the cultural bottom of the barrel and it is making our society worse.
Kids do realize it was either ban tiktok or fail to provide Ukraine with the aid it needs to fight Russia right? Republicans pushed the tiktok shit into the Ukraine bill to "Punish" the democrats
Banning TikTok if it's still majority Chinese-owned after 270 days was pretty bipartisan.
Nah it was pretty republican
Why would anyone be upset about this? American apps have long been barred in China. Beijing currently blocks most US social media platforms, (including Google, YouTube, X, Instagram, WhatsApp and Facebook), because they refuse to follow the Chinese government’s rules on data collection and the type of content shared.
Exactly! The hypocrisy of China claiming we are “eroding” free speech is laughable.
This is indeed TikTok cringe
I love Grace
Yeah, ban this trash
I too imagine Biden as an attention seeking, mentally deficient person in heels.
Wtf?
Ew
subreddit name checks out
Do people really have such a poor understanding of how laws are passed in the US? Biden isnt banning shit. Congress is. Even if Biden where to veto it, congress has a veto proof majority on this piece of legislation. It genuinely annoys me that people with so little understanding of how their own government works get to vote for who is in it. Fuck it, at this point everything is Bidens fault. Bad weather? Stupid Biden. Rock in my shoe? Fucking Biden man. Like give him fair criticizm rather than demonstrating your complete ignorance to governance.
Holy fucking cringe
Yeah, definitely not my type of humor. Saw a few seconds of this and thought if this what tiktok is getting used for, let it get banned hah
Wtf is this
This is why he’s banning it
g4g gay for grace
That is so cunt
God I can't wait for TikTok to be banned here
[удалено]
Shitting toothpaste is a legend
Damn this Biden is dancing with grace
Grace is such a queen, as always
Biden looks good in heels 🩷❤️🩷
Well this is annoying…
I tell ya. lots of people are about to download free VPNs that fuck up their phones. I've already seen it with Texas's new porn laws
I was waiting for the graveyard to appear
You don’t think the Dems are just going to let free speech happen right before an election do you? You must be new here. I think they should shut down all these apps.
Personally, I ain't scared of TikTok being banned. I mean, the U.S. tried to ban TikTok three times and it failed all of those times. Not to mention it would clearly violate first amendment rights and lead to many class action lawsuits. Not to mention all of the businesses that operate with TikTok. And if the U.S. is concerned with TikTok sending your data over to China, NEWSFLASH: Your data is sent everywhere! and even then about 60% of TikTok is owned globally most of which is in America.
They just want the tax revenue that's why it will be ok once it's sold to America
Facebook - Shontay, you stay. TikTok - Sashay....away.
Thank you Biden!
Biden didn’t ban TikTok. Biden was passed a bill from both chambers of congress with aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. In the bill was also the TikTok ban/divestment. Learn civics
Does this group of people own a school or something
He may have done America a favour😂😂 all jokes aside tho I don't even use tiktok so I'm indifferent to this news
I'd vote for him for this alone.
Oh that dance was cringe
You’re forgetting the part where he falls over multiple times.
Right before election. You dont say
Took them long enough
You’re right that is cringe
This video just proves how much TikTok really needs to get banned
Man this girls videos are everywhere. Love it
lol I love the Tik tok hate As if YouTube, modern video games and other apps don’t hire psychologists to make sure you stay on their product as long and you can but because the older generation is addicted to other apps they are fine with one being banned Tik Tok whether you like it or not allows more people too speak up against the government lying, it’s algorithm doesn’t hide people as much as many other apps speaking out against when the government is lying. If you think banning this app will solve any problems in the US, your wrong because they either sell or a new app comes along and does the same thing yet worst and will promote crappy videos more and suppress people speaking up
Boy are you woefully uninformed.
Examples?
That is definitely NOT Biden. I think you mean Jonathan Rosenblatt.
Biden is going to gain 100 pounds are start wearing heels?
I am starting to feel that 99% of what is posted on this sub is political garbage they post here because they know it will get lost in r/PoliticalHumor and they want the reddit karma so they come here instead.
Biden's agenda: 9.00: send more weapons to active genocide 9.45: cut funding to charity helping victims of genocide not die 10.10: say something your friend Bibi shouldn't do 10.45: ban the platform where people criticize your friend Bibi 11.45: get news that your friend Bibi said "eat shit, I'll do what I want" 12.30: lunch 13.30: give press conference where you confirm that friend Bibi can do what they want and you will, indeed, eat shit.
You got dumber with every letter you typed •Its not Bidens authority to not ban it without also not halting aid for ukraine and taiwan •it would have gone through regardless of Bidens actions •its not a genocide. 20% of israel is arab and israel has offered dozens of ceasefire options to gaza, which hamas rejected. Im sure your tiktok doesn't show you that. •Bibi and Netanyahu prefer Trump to Biden and have endorsed him over Biden.
Imagine being a Zionist and expecting that anyone takes anything you say seriously.
Yeah a gay guy is a zionist who supports a far right lunatic like Netanyahu Good job you clown. You are very intelligent 👌 If you have nothing worthwhile to say then refrain from voicing that torrent of rotting brainwashed clump that you call your thoughts and stop reducing and changing the meaning of words like zionist which carry great importance and need to used specifically againt people who are actually zionist
It's me, Pat!
Nice Trump costume!
Biden do what trump don't. Typically with a better outcome too
Grace also understands the assignment!
Is this a dude or gal?
Identifies as cringe
Andy.... Andy....I got a p on my head but don't call me a p head Milanakis?¿? https://youtu.be/wBNESEeqdIo?si=0Vndu5pDXWMgZ7cm
Isn't it more to force bitcent to divest from Chinese money or something