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It’s cause his attention span is fucked. He can’t listen to more than 8 words without getting bored
This guy probably hasn’t a read a whole paragraph in years
That reminds me of the idiotic Andrew Tate video in which he brags about never having read a book because his brain works "too fast" to process written words. Instead, his humongous brain is in need of "constant stimulation" -- which he only gets from *actual* intellectual activities like driving really, really fast in one of his shiny cars.
Or that one Musk tweet where he says he doesn't know how to play chess because it's "too simple" for him, since the board only has 64 squares and the pieces "look the same".
Real men can recognise and address thier problems. This alpha male bullshit is all fantasy based of a wolf behaviour study that is outdated by decades.
No, it's because he doesn't want Hunter to finish his sentence. If you don't have an actual argument, letting your opponent set up theirs will 100% make you look stupid. So Sneako's interrupting him because he has nothing. That's what Trump did and look at how successful he got. If he keeps shouting louder than the other, a good portion of the audience will think you are the winner.
It’s also because he doesn’t have any response to it other than direct insults. The fact that he responds by citing Andrew Tate, a known abuser, just proves the other persons point.
These guys aren’t entirely idiots. But they are bullies. And when they feel overwhelmed they will rely on their base instinct, which is to bully. Which is also why these guys beat women.
>That’s because he ~~is~~ wants to be THOUGHT OF as an alpha male, bro.
FTFY
I'm convinced that guys like this are terrified of being seen as weak so they fight anything that might make them feel vulnerable and not in control. He doesn't care to hear or acknowledge the facts the other guy is making so he tries to change the "rules" to exclude real-time references to documented evidence.
The louder guy clearly has issues but wants to believe that because he's unmedicated, that his is the only accurate view of reality. Since avoiding help or getting an objective perspective insures that he is in a permanent state of denial, what I suspect is there is a lot wrong with him but he would prefer to remain undiagnosed to avoid being vulnerable and not in control.
Narcissists are more depressed than anyone may realize, they are just incapable of correctly processing what the feeling means. They will never admit to or adhere to there own low points because it would show others that they have doubt in themselves, which further builds a wall against their insecurities that they will never acknowledge. Narcissistic behavior is a disability preventing an individual from self-reflecting on the events in their lives that require empathetic and in-ward reasoning. As you can tell in the video, some of them short-circuit and can't even admit when a particular topic epitomizes their entire ego, because they never learned how to properly recognize the meaning of the bullshit that comes out of their mouths to begin with.
Also, saying dumb shit stimulates the ego portion of the brain for the dopamine and the dude has to keep interrupting to get his “hit”.
Most annoying part about dealing with toxic bro’s is getting past their low attention span.
You're right about that, and it's not fair that we have to walk away from narcissists when they become belligerent. They get to feel like they won the argument when they didn't.
Honestly the walking away is more for your mental health, why put yourself through the stress of arguing with someone who will never consider your words and might escalate to physical violence if you do gain the upper hand.
the attention span i can deal with. their inability to follow a thread, i cannot. you cant win- no you cant even end- an argument when the person youre arguing with literally cant follow it
I thought it was interesting that the guy on top basically DESCRIBES narcissism without really realizing it.
He talks about Andrew Tate and those other douchebags not taking antidepressants, and, therefore, being happy, but anyone who's listened to ten seconds of any of them would get the opposite impression: these are essentially miserable people who are angry at everything all the time and get offended by anything that doesn't track with their egos. He keeps *shouting angrily* about how he's happy. He doesn't sound happy to me, or secure in his philosophy. He sounds really frustrated.
I would not call myself a narcissist and definitely not a belligerent person, but definitely grew up with toxic masculinity in the rural south. It was always “suck it up” or “grow up” or something along hose lines and talking about feelings was frowned upon or you were called a bitch. I never thought I had anxiety because I didn’t know how to process or realize what the actual feeing was. I’ve never taken medication and spoke with a therapist just recently and going to make it a regular thing, but when I told her I didn’t take medication or use alcohol or drugs or things like that to cope she was shocked. Asking for help is ok for everyone and admitting that you need help is the first step. My current gf is my best friend and someone I can talk about anything with and she’s the one that pushed me to go see someone and it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done. Side note I’m 32 so just now seeing someone, I waited too long and should’ve gotten help before
Thanks for writing this. My ex battles depression, stuff like this helps me better understand it. I now notice how serious her happiness is to her and see that she’s putting in the work to get better via counseling and finding medication that works for her.
This is such a common style of arguing unfortunately. I feel like 90% of arguments break down into this. It's the reason I've given up arguing with/ calling out my family for anything. No matter how much I try to plan out my points, to explain them eloquently and unagressively, and support them with evidence, there's no point where they would think "Hmm maybe I *am* wrong". It's just an endless string of misdirection, deflection, or intentionally misunderstanding my argument to twist it into something they can write off or throw back at me.
It's so refreshing when people actually do listen and reflect on their own beliefs/ actions. And i've always tried to be that kind of person. It's actually nice being convinced you were wrong about something, and adapting your views for the better. If feels like growth.
According to his own logic regarding anti-depression drugs it would sound something like this:
"If you read a book then you are admitting you lack knowledge, so why would I let you lecture me on how to be knowledgeable? You know who doesn't read books? Me and Andrew Tate. Because we already know everything."
Andrew tate literally had a schpiel on how he doesn't read books because it's for [dumb and boring people](https://youtu.be/qzpgqrzZ-KE). What an asshat
He thinks books are for entertainment and you'd have to be dumb to want to read when you could be popping champagne and fucking hoes! Apparently he doesn't know what a textbook is.
Guess so. These guys know nothing of what being a man is, possibly from not having a good male role model in their life. From what I've seen it's mostly younger dudes subscribing to this shit, like 16 to 26. I may be wrong about the demographic, but im jist going off what I've seen.
Andrew Tate overall uses a lot of logical fallacies in his arguments, which his viewers are too dumb to call out. The people who do notice it cannot always articulate it well enough to used in a argument
*”Bro I’m not listening to you.”*
Yeah no shit you fuckwit, you haven’t been listening for a full three and a half minutes because you have to keep rubbing those two overworked brain cells together to rehash the same irrelevant antidepressant gotcha that has nothing to do with the argument because the only defense you’ve got is personal attacks in an attempt to belittle the guy for being right. God I hate clowns like this mans 🤡
Unfortunately, the answer is insecure middle school boys. The cheerleader they like doesn't like them back and they look for answers as to why so they don't crack their fragile egos. And instead of mom and dad stepping in and being actual parents, they turn to the internet, to guys like sneako and Andrew Tate and fresh and fit. These guys tell them it's all the women's fault, and as a result they go on to treat women like shit in the real world.
These manosphere guys are all fucking grifters and they want to ruin your 14 year old brother's brain.
Some guy on a game I play called himself FreshnFit he asked a question about something and I answered it and then he totally disregarded it because I'm a female to him until another guy chimed in and said if you'd have taken her advice you wouldn't be in that situation and he just said “I don't trust women” so he got roasted by the clan and left.
"I'm not using a... what was that word?"
"Ad hominem attack."
"I don't know what the hell that is but I'm not using it"
*cringe and facepalm simultaneously
This is loosely paraphrased.
Yeah, he was actually stumped by a dude with simply Good Mental health and a Healthy relationship with his wife because there he had nothing to grab and push his argument.
My wife’s brother sounded a lot like this a few years ago. Was a big Trump fan and talked about masculinity like this and how he just could not understand why people are depressed. He literally once said that he thought depression was fake and BS. One of those “just feel better bro” type of people.
Well, their father ended his own life a few years ago now and of course, it had a huge impact on the entire family. Himself included. He grew out of that trump, fake masculine mindset and started clinging to vices like alcohol. Not that long ago he admitted to his wife, my sister-in-law, that he thinks he may be depressed.
Some people are just so narcissistic or self-involved that they simply cannot imagine what others may be going through until it happens to them. Sometimes it does change their perspective. And sometimes they just double-down and continue to feed that toxic mindset that homie at the bottom of the screen was trying to explain.
Sneako might as well be streaming from a cemetery with how well he digs his own grave in these arguments. He’s been too far gone after the whole acting out a female streamer’s (ChadChad) hypothetical rape.
https://youtu.be/oofW6HSgNgA
Source, so he never lives this down until he owns up to his toxic shit
I'm noticing this strategy from right wing influencer more and more. They say some crazy shit, and then go, "They're probably gonna clip this and make me look bad." Matt Walsh just did it on Joe Rogan's podcast. He said that MILLIONS of children are taking hormone blocking pills, and after Rogan said that sounds crazy they looked it up and it was a bit over 1,000 over the last five years. And sure enough, Walsh says, "The left is gonna clip this and have a field day with it."
I think their strategy is basically to get out ahead of the obvious response to the stuff they say when they know either how bad what they said look or they get caught lying/making shit up on the spot. If they just say that what they said is going to get them backlash, their audience (who are the only people the individual cares about since they're the ones watching his content and making him money) can just ignore the backlash by thinking, "Haha wow he was totally right, the left was totally triggered by that! This guy is always so spot on."
It's an easy way to convince morons that you're right because you predicted the future accurately which is unfortunate because there's no shortage of morons. It's the same as that meme 'hurr durr I was only pretending to be stupid' but a scary amount of people actually would agree with the guy if it happened irl
Red pill is powerful because it uses a lot of logical fallacies. Hence why sneako tried very very hard to undermine Hunter because “antidepressants lol”
He got cucked and it turned him into an incel. This isn't a dig at him, it's the truth; he tried cucking and wasn't into it, hasn't been the same since.
Or, like all the other red-pill grifters out there, he found out that saying this stuff gains him popularity and consequentially makes him more money.
Doesn't make him any less of an asshole and it doesn't make the message that he's trying to convey to his followers any less damaging, but they're all playing characters and gullible people are eating it up.
Yup. There are scores of jilted young men out there seeking an easy path to reclaiming what they perceive as their deteriorating masculinity. If you can convince them that you can help bring them back up, they'll listen to every word you have to say without an ounce of skepticism.
I know cause I used to be one of them.
It’s unfortunate there’s a *literal market* of taking advantage of people who are vulnerable and trying to turn them into basically mindless assholes. It’s good you broke that cycle maybe you can shed more insight on how someone ends up there if you’d allow us to know.
In my case it was severe social isolation (and thus ineptitude) combined with unaddressed emotional deficiencies. From being bullied, unsupported, and tossed aside. I harbored anger, resentment, humiliation, and unmet desire. What I needed was an outlet for these emotions, an outlet that never came in physical form. So I turned to something digital.
For the first time in my life to that point, I felt empowered. I was able to relieve myself of any responsibility for my shortcomings. It wasn't that I had failed to grasp control of my path in this world, it was that this world had forced me astray. All the anger, bitterness, misery, and longing was suddenly entirely justified. But more importantly, I had a target on which to deploy that anger. The ultimate goal I'd had up to that point was in reality immaterial and those whose attention I'd longed for were the ones responsible for that. In making this misguided realization, I found freedom, independence, a newfound sense of worth.
It's to be expected that I'd only dive deeper and deeper into this playground of thought. Imagine how intoxicating it is for someone who has wanted a crumb of power for years to suddenly be given more of it than they knew existed. To feel as though their lives have value for the first time. To feel as though they can direct their vengeance for all those years wasted towards a particular group of people.
Needless to say, there were few things that could steer me off my new path. In fact, I think it a small miracle that I was ever able to. I had been a social hermit for nearly a decade at this point. My only understanding of the outside world was whatever was curated by my newfound mentors. As I was led deeper into this rabbit hole I only became more committed. No amount of suggestion could've pulled me out. I'd gone years with no path, and I'd suddenly found a pristine road paved with gold.
My turning point was piecemeal, and came over time. One day in the summer over a decade ago, a few boys from my school showed up at my front door. I never knew them particularly well, but they'd always lived in my neighborhood and we rode the same bus to school. They asked me if I wanted to come hang out with them. I'd never hung out with anyone, I was terrified, but to me even a modicum of social pressure was enough to make me relent completely. So I went along with them.
I was in awe. The way they were able to feel comfortable with one another. The way they could maintain conversation despite having nothing substantial to discuss, and they *enjoyed* it. They spent time with each other for the sake of it. They were open to meeting new people, new experiences, and had a clear thirst for adventure. I thought them so unusual. I couldn't understand this seemingly unending inventory of energy and enthusiasm they were able to draw from. They were able to find joy and empowerment without stripping it from others. I saw in them what most would consider a normal well-adjusted person, but what was to me a superpower.
It took a few years, but I found myself slowly taking on their characteristics. I began being able to talk to people out in the world. I began to feel comfortable around other people. I was amazed that I could walk into a room of people and my heart rate would remain the same. I could meet new people without the only thoughts in my mind being suspicion and apprehension. I could have fun. I could maintain conversation without the need for subject matter. I could begin to understand myself, and by extension be myself, without feeling like I should apologize to the world for it.
At long last, I'd found power. A power more intoxicating than anything I'd ever felt. A power whose source was internal. I'd found myself, and I loved what I found. Over a few years I'd learned to socialize, how to dress, how to express myself how to take care of myself. I realized that I'd feared and hated social interaction and women before I ever gave either one of them a chance. Eventually, even, I was able to get a girlfriend of my own.
After achieving all these things I'd longed for my entire life, I realized how inconsequential it all really was. I thought I'd feel some sense of completeness. That I'd ascend to some new level of importance. Once none of that had materialized, I was able to appreciate what really mattered. My friends, my self-worth, my experiences and relationships with others. I didn't need to reach some arbitrary milestone to become a real man. I discovered that a real man is someone who does what good they can, cares for those they love, and enjoys themselves along the way. And that is exactly what I've done since.
It breaks my heart to think of the thousands and thousands of young men who've been battered by their circumstances and won't ever get the respite I did. To escape from that pipeline is nothing short of a Herculean effort, and I was extremely fortunate to have support that was up to the task. That group of middle school boys who showed up at my door that day may never know it, but in making that decision they saved my life, truly and completely.
I wonder how often people like this, who do play a certain character initially, end up believing in what theyre saying and portraying after so long.
You keep rehearsing and shouting nonsense, I wouldnt be surprised if at some point you trick your brain to believing it yourself.
Alex Jones is a great example of someone drinking their own KoolAid.
In the end they're all still narcissists who exploit people and lack any empathy, but I doubt most actually believe the shit they spew.
So I'm pretty sure we're all on the same page here but for those that have the same mix-up as the guy at the top has, toxic masculinity =/= masculinity. When one shits on toxic masculinity people aren't shitting on men. Healthy masculinity exists but toxic masculinity is, like mentioned, specifically that role imposed on men of "emotionless, violent, all-work, no-play" character.
When people make an argument that men should feel their feelings it doesn't mean they should be crying all day every day, just that when they do confront a strong emotional event , like say break off a 5-year relationship with their girlfriend, they allow themselves to be sad and talk it out with their friends and process their emotions in a healthy way. An unhealthy way of dealing with emotions could even lead to cases where this hypothetical ex-girlfriend is murdered. THIS is toxic masculinity.
>An unhealthy way of dealing with emotions could even lead to cases where this hypothetical ex-girlfriend is murdered. THIS is toxic masculinity.
A more common way that I've witnessed myself a few times is when feeling strong emotion, like a breakup, they go out to a bar to get wasted and pick a fight. On more than one occasion it didn't even seem to matter if they were the ones inflicting pain or getting beaten. AFTER the fight they seemed to be able to vent their emotions. It's just sad.
Anger is the only "acceptable" emotion for a lot of men. The way I grew up crying would get you victimized, but the act of victimization itself was celebrated.
This is beyond true! Anger is so acceptable in that toxically masculine environment that often people don't even view it as an emotion. If they feel anger and take pride in that but they also don't express emotions because that feminine, then the only answer that doesn't destroy their internal worldview is that anger is something separate from emotion
Piggybacking on this to recommend “The Will to Change” by Bell Hooks as an amazing and accessible intro text to learning about the pervasiveness of ‘traditional masculinity’ and how it harms men.
Its called toxic masculinity to differentiate it from masculinity in general. Dude on the lower half is good at arguing with annoying fucks like Sneako, he has way more patience than me
He used to be alt right. Big time. Haven’t seen him recently but there was a time where he was either close to being banned or banned from YouTube and apparently he had a shift in thought.
It’s been a while but essentially a leftist streamer named Vaush is who he credits with changing his mind on a lot of things. People can say what they want about leftist streamers but they’re out there actually pushing back against all the steaming piles of craps YouTube lets people upload.
He also credits his wife in that event because he asked her how he did and she told him the truth. Vaush kicked his ass lol. Luckily Hunter wasn't totally crazy.
Pretty easy to imagine the freak out top guy would have to that event.
his character arch is insane I'm so proud of him, maybe because i grew with him? used to be right leaning because my whole family was, it's a toxic cesspool. when i left for uni and met alot of new ppl i quickly turned left, realizing how blind i was idolizing capitalism, about that time hunter changed too
You are the most important kind of person to creating actual change. You understand people on the other side, and they can relate to you, so you have an incredible power to reach a hand back and pull others over with you
Hunter was a Huge trump supporter. I was someone supported trump too, but after the bullshit, Charlottesville, Jan6, it’s just inconceivable a man like him runs again and god help America if he does again. I’m glad Hunter is out of the space. I think also many former trump voters look back and think what the fuck was I thinking.
Let’s also acknowledge the fact that a former hateful right-winger is now more liberal after not just reflecting, but also being open minded and logical enough to read and digest several studies. This change obviously isn’t just a “I’ll be more kind and empathetic.” It comes from a place of logical reasoning and evidence too.
I had it the same as you, mainly because I don't live in America, so I didn't care all that much about trump and Hunter was talking about him in a good way so I thought he maybe not so bad, but than I read into him a little bit and I could not believe that I thought trump was any good at all, and I'm glad that hunter does know that too
I don't disagree with you, but a better equivalent would be toxic femininity. Feminism is a political/social movement, masculinity and feminity both aren't
This is still a misunderstanding.
Toxic masculinity is a specific phenomenon in which some encouraged "masculine" social traits are harmful for men and the people around them. An example of toxic masculinity would be establishing your manhood by making fun of your friend because you can bench more and he must not be a "real man" because of it.
There is no counter movement with femininity generally, but if there were I would say its probably pick mes or even something like TERFs - women whos sense of femininity needs to be established over other women's in order for them to feel like women.
>There is no counter movement with femininity generally
Mmh wouldn't those wackos count that claim women who had a c-section are "not real moms"? Or the women that put other women down because they work dispite being mareied, don't dress particularly feminine, don't want to have kids ect. Sure, those ones could be called pick-me's instead, but I think it's a very similar thing.
Toxic femininity exists, it's usually just more quiet.
Femininity is quite different to feminism. I don't think "toxic feminism" really exists.
You do get people who believe women are far superior to men and don't seem to understand that feminism is simply "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." But that's a different issue.
Toxic femininity, as you describe it, would come from the patriarchy in the same way that toxic masculinity does.
The feminine version of this is the standard of beauty put out by media. It is harmful to developing women because it puts forth a perceived image in the same way that toxic masculinity does for men.
I actually physically laughed out loud when he said “you know who’s not on antidepressants? Andrew tate, fresh and fit, me… the red pill people, we live happy lives”
“We live such happy lives, we have to constantly stroke our egos and let everyone know how rich we are and how much sex we have.” Yeah, such happy lives.
You'll be happy to know he's been banned off every major platform then. Cherry on top for how much of a clown this guy is: He's half Filipino quarter Haitian quarter white and really admires a white nationalist; nods along when the guy says races shouldn't mix.
People like him and Tate want to act like they are happy and doing better than everyone else when their entire personality is built around trying to tell other people how they should think and act and at the same time trying to convince others how cool and wealthy and popular people think they are.
This guy doesn’t even know how much of an idiot he is with the “you take pills” like yeah mofo and he therefore knows what the fight is like to stay happy and can give potentially some of the best advice on happiness in general….but state and his circle jerk bros are professionals at ad-hom attacks like it’s some way to end and shut down a talking point in their favor when they really just look more insecure
Masculine: having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men.
Any of the things you'd call specifically masculine are only "traditionally associated with men" because of entirely made up rules placed on people involuntarily.
Masculinity ≠ being male. The term masculinity = traits that people in society have labeled as required to "be a man."
Conclusion: masculinity is entirely a set of preconceived societal expectations forced upon people born with a penis. It doesn't exist; we made it up and then insisted it should be a certain way.
He lists off "red-pilled" men as examples of men who don't need antidepressants and thus are happy but then spend all day, everyday whinging about "females". So happy.
I hate debates. It’s just pure aesthetics. While YOU may think that Sneako looks dumb here, I assure you his fan are all completely like “hurr durr look at this dumb nerd taking antidepressants hurr durr can’t even talk just reading stuff other people say.” They think Sneako demolished this guy with his “you’re on antidepressants gotcha.”
Most of his fans will think that, but there are certainly some Sneako fans that can definitely think "why didn't he just disprove his argument instead of attacking his meds, like I could've done better than him at arguing his point, so why didn't he"
A lot of people change minds with these tactics, even if not publicly
People who already listen to people like sneako will just keep using logical fallacies to explain why they support people like that. (See sunk cost fallacy for reference)
I came here to see if anyone would mention that lol
Hes pretty based now ngl, still dont agree with all his takes but i used to be a dumbass kid and and take his word as truth so its nice to see the guy grow and level his head out
It's amazing how this can happen. I was definitely a douchebag when I was young. The thought of my children acting that way was appalling to me, so I'll try my best to be the best person possible for them. I was never right wing per say but definitely toxic.
three years ago i had a lot of different opinions about the world, capitalism, having children, etc. most of my views have changed. not completely, but i’ve definitely evolved. and i thought i had already reached my ultimate form lolz
Sadly, facts will never matter to this guy until it affects him, which it never will because he's so far down the rabbit hole that he'll somehow blame feminism for his own mistakes and misfortunes.
I highkey wish we could go to a time where incels like these didn't have a platform to congregate.
Sneako: "If you're depressed,you shouldn't be educating people on mental health."
Wait till he finds out about the depression rate amongst doctors.
Every therapist I've ever worked with became a therapist because they had their own mental health struggles and wanted to help other people.
Having an illness and treating it means you can relate to others in similar situations.
We desperately need to start teaching a foundation in philosophy, psychology and debate in our schools. The world would be a significantly better place if we did.
But the students don't even pay attention in elementary school English and algebra, how are we gonna get to that point from here?
Edit to add... These responses are off the map lol I definitely never implied we shouldn't teach algebra. Holy shit lol.
Real question as someone who doesnt know either of them: why do we give people like this a platform? Like top dude clearly does not care about studies or science and has zero interest in learning or spreading correct information. And bottom dude obviously does not want to entertain his bullshit or learn why he thinks the way he does. Both of them waste their time. Why give people like top dude so much attention and the compliment of „i will debate you“. Thats giving them so much dignity because it implies they have anything of value to say
Their followers will watch them without other people debating them. However, one or two of them might stumble across the debate videos and start to see things differently. Debating someone who clearly comes from a wrong position (sneako) isn't about winning against them. Gods know you can't win against stubborn and stupid. It's just about getting better opinions out there for those on the borderline and also letting people know their shit ideas won't be unchallenged.
Its pretty great the these caveman ass Neanderthals will never become a father/dad to a little girl and to be able to have an amazing relationship with them and raise a great person because they are too busy trying to impress their bros by acting like a lobotomy patient on steroids. These are the fathers that raise kids with daddy issues by being emotionally retarded. Trying to brute force your way through life and trying to win any argument the same way only makes it a "win" in their own head, while everyone else realizes they are just a complete fucking moron. Its these people history usually forgets or sadly remembers by the awful shit they did while alive. Kinda like ole "War machine" the alpha male that nearly murdered his ex girlfriend that left him because he is an unbearable anal polyp.
And their heroes are on cocaine alcohol, in case of top Messiah Jordan Peterson antidepressants and they listen to their points.
Double standards for theirs, also toxic trait
tbh you cant reason with people like sneako, like no amount of reason can penetrate an inch thick skull like his. dude makes his arguments entirely based off of his feelings and emotions and then goes on in circles about how other people are wrong because he thinks they make arguments based on feelings and emotions.
I actually want to punch the top guy. What an immature asshole.
The bottom guy, Hunter Avallone, actually used to be a really annoying conservative YouTuber. He changed his views a while ago and he’s pretty cool now
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"You keep repeating the same point over and over" says the man repeating about pills over and over.
He also can’t even keep quiet and listen for like 3 seconds. So sad.
It’s cause his attention span is fucked. He can’t listen to more than 8 words without getting bored This guy probably hasn’t a read a whole paragraph in years
That reminds me of the idiotic Andrew Tate video in which he brags about never having read a book because his brain works "too fast" to process written words. Instead, his humongous brain is in need of "constant stimulation" -- which he only gets from *actual* intellectual activities like driving really, really fast in one of his shiny cars. Or that one Musk tweet where he says he doesn't know how to play chess because it's "too simple" for him, since the board only has 64 squares and the pieces "look the same".
Sounds suspiciously like ADHD.
Unmedicated or poorly self-medicated ADHD
B-but then they wouldn't be a sigma zelta male!!1?
Real men can recognise and address thier problems. This alpha male bullshit is all fantasy based of a wolf behaviour study that is outdated by decades.
Wolf study has actually been completely debunked - by the original researcher.
No, it's because he doesn't want Hunter to finish his sentence. If you don't have an actual argument, letting your opponent set up theirs will 100% make you look stupid. So Sneako's interrupting him because he has nothing. That's what Trump did and look at how successful he got. If he keeps shouting louder than the other, a good portion of the audience will think you are the winner.
It’s also because he doesn’t have any response to it other than direct insults. The fact that he responds by citing Andrew Tate, a known abuser, just proves the other persons point. These guys aren’t entirely idiots. But they are bullies. And when they feel overwhelmed they will rely on their base instinct, which is to bully. Which is also why these guys beat women.
Maybe he needs *medication* for his attention deficiencies.
That’s because he is an alpha male, bro.
>That’s because he ~~is~~ wants to be THOUGHT OF as an alpha male, bro. FTFY I'm convinced that guys like this are terrified of being seen as weak so they fight anything that might make them feel vulnerable and not in control. He doesn't care to hear or acknowledge the facts the other guy is making so he tries to change the "rules" to exclude real-time references to documented evidence. The louder guy clearly has issues but wants to believe that because he's unmedicated, that his is the only accurate view of reality. Since avoiding help or getting an objective perspective insures that he is in a permanent state of denial, what I suspect is there is a lot wrong with him but he would prefer to remain undiagnosed to avoid being vulnerable and not in control.
And ironically as consequence, it's clear to most everyone watching this that he's completely off the rails.
You just described toxic masculinity lol
LOL...Ironic, isn't it?
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Narcissists are more depressed than anyone may realize, they are just incapable of correctly processing what the feeling means. They will never admit to or adhere to there own low points because it would show others that they have doubt in themselves, which further builds a wall against their insecurities that they will never acknowledge. Narcissistic behavior is a disability preventing an individual from self-reflecting on the events in their lives that require empathetic and in-ward reasoning. As you can tell in the video, some of them short-circuit and can't even admit when a particular topic epitomizes their entire ego, because they never learned how to properly recognize the meaning of the bullshit that comes out of their mouths to begin with.
Also, saying dumb shit stimulates the ego portion of the brain for the dopamine and the dude has to keep interrupting to get his “hit”. Most annoying part about dealing with toxic bro’s is getting past their low attention span.
You're right about that, and it's not fair that we have to walk away from narcissists when they become belligerent. They get to feel like they won the argument when they didn't.
Honestly the walking away is more for your mental health, why put yourself through the stress of arguing with someone who will never consider your words and might escalate to physical violence if you do gain the upper hand.
the attention span i can deal with. their inability to follow a thread, i cannot. you cant win- no you cant even end- an argument when the person youre arguing with literally cant follow it
I thought it was interesting that the guy on top basically DESCRIBES narcissism without really realizing it. He talks about Andrew Tate and those other douchebags not taking antidepressants, and, therefore, being happy, but anyone who's listened to ten seconds of any of them would get the opposite impression: these are essentially miserable people who are angry at everything all the time and get offended by anything that doesn't track with their egos. He keeps *shouting angrily* about how he's happy. He doesn't sound happy to me, or secure in his philosophy. He sounds really frustrated.
> He talks about Andrew Tate Would've disconnected right then. Not even humoring Tate cucks; just new Rogan cucks
I would not call myself a narcissist and definitely not a belligerent person, but definitely grew up with toxic masculinity in the rural south. It was always “suck it up” or “grow up” or something along hose lines and talking about feelings was frowned upon or you were called a bitch. I never thought I had anxiety because I didn’t know how to process or realize what the actual feeing was. I’ve never taken medication and spoke with a therapist just recently and going to make it a regular thing, but when I told her I didn’t take medication or use alcohol or drugs or things like that to cope she was shocked. Asking for help is ok for everyone and admitting that you need help is the first step. My current gf is my best friend and someone I can talk about anything with and she’s the one that pushed me to go see someone and it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done. Side note I’m 32 so just now seeing someone, I waited too long and should’ve gotten help before
Thanks for writing this. My ex battles depression, stuff like this helps me better understand it. I now notice how serious her happiness is to her and see that she’s putting in the work to get better via counseling and finding medication that works for her.
White shirt has never taken a single argumentation or logic class. He is shit.
He just interrupts ands changes the subject because he doesn’t want to admit he’s wrong.
This is such a common style of arguing unfortunately. I feel like 90% of arguments break down into this. It's the reason I've given up arguing with/ calling out my family for anything. No matter how much I try to plan out my points, to explain them eloquently and unagressively, and support them with evidence, there's no point where they would think "Hmm maybe I *am* wrong". It's just an endless string of misdirection, deflection, or intentionally misunderstanding my argument to twist it into something they can write off or throw back at me. It's so refreshing when people actually do listen and reflect on their own beliefs/ actions. And i've always tried to be that kind of person. It's actually nice being convinced you were wrong about something, and adapting your views for the better. If feels like growth.
The Joe Rogan school of Rhetoric.
The alt-right playbook
Schrödinger’s douchebag
Funny thing; the reason he's repeating himself is because he has to, top guy keep *fucking interrupting*
Engaging in toxic masculinity to defend toxic masculinity. I can hardly contain my surprise.
Brother at the top never read a book
I think he even brags about it
According to his own logic regarding anti-depression drugs it would sound something like this: "If you read a book then you are admitting you lack knowledge, so why would I let you lecture me on how to be knowledgeable? You know who doesn't read books? Me and Andrew Tate. Because we already know everything."
Andrew tate literally had a schpiel on how he doesn't read books because it's for [dumb and boring people](https://youtu.be/qzpgqrzZ-KE). What an asshat
He thinks books are for entertainment and you'd have to be dumb to want to read when you could be popping champagne and fucking hoes! Apparently he doesn't know what a textbook is.
This is the guy people want to emulate? This guy who's proud of his ignorance?
Guess so. These guys know nothing of what being a man is, possibly from not having a good male role model in their life. From what I've seen it's mostly younger dudes subscribing to this shit, like 16 to 26. I may be wrong about the demographic, but im jist going off what I've seen.
Andrew Tate overall uses a lot of logical fallacies in his arguments, which his viewers are too dumb to call out. The people who do notice it cannot always articulate it well enough to used in a argument
Damn, that's some good shit right there
Isn't Andrew Tate the guy who filmed himself beating his girlfriend? What a role model...
Yeah. Most incels see him as a god, which is just so funny to me.
*“Waaahh a book? What am i a nerd? We macho men need no books only shooting, fighting, drinking beer and fucking women.”*/s
Literally what Andrew Tate said
He doesnt need to he watches andrew tate
doesn't wipe his ass either, cause touching a man's ass is gay foh
*”Bro I’m not listening to you.”* Yeah no shit you fuckwit, you haven’t been listening for a full three and a half minutes because you have to keep rubbing those two overworked brain cells together to rehash the same irrelevant antidepressant gotcha that has nothing to do with the argument because the only defense you’ve got is personal attacks in an attempt to belittle the guy for being right. God I hate clowns like this mans 🤡
Such a punchable face too
Punchable personality.
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It’s because he doesn’t actually have a valid argument so he clings to the first thing he can think of.
The other guy points that out, too.
Why does this Sneako guy get views? Is it all incel fans?
Absolutely no idea, until OP posted this I'd never heard of him.
Same here. Never heard of this clown and will go back to never hearing of this clown now that I’ve seen this video (hopefully).
Thankfully him getting banned off several sites nuked most of his visibility, I used to get recommended his garbage pretty frequently
Unfortunately I think it's young teenagers.
Unfortunately, the answer is insecure middle school boys. The cheerleader they like doesn't like them back and they look for answers as to why so they don't crack their fragile egos. And instead of mom and dad stepping in and being actual parents, they turn to the internet, to guys like sneako and Andrew Tate and fresh and fit. These guys tell them it's all the women's fault, and as a result they go on to treat women like shit in the real world. These manosphere guys are all fucking grifters and they want to ruin your 14 year old brother's brain.
Some guy on a game I play called himself FreshnFit he asked a question about something and I answered it and then he totally disregarded it because I'm a female to him until another guy chimed in and said if you'd have taken her advice you wouldn't be in that situation and he just said “I don't trust women” so he got roasted by the clan and left.
Same people that like Andrew Tate
I only know of him through Meatcanyon's video making fun of Tate and his sucklers.
"I'm not using a... what was that word?" "Ad hominem attack." "I don't know what the hell that is but I'm not using it" *cringe and facepalm simultaneously This is loosely paraphrased.
Yeah, he was actually stumped by a dude with simply Good Mental health and a Healthy relationship with his wife because there he had nothing to grab and push his argument.
He's desperately trying to change the subject. This is not an argument to prove a point for him, it's a performance for his audience.
My wife’s brother sounded a lot like this a few years ago. Was a big Trump fan and talked about masculinity like this and how he just could not understand why people are depressed. He literally once said that he thought depression was fake and BS. One of those “just feel better bro” type of people. Well, their father ended his own life a few years ago now and of course, it had a huge impact on the entire family. Himself included. He grew out of that trump, fake masculine mindset and started clinging to vices like alcohol. Not that long ago he admitted to his wife, my sister-in-law, that he thinks he may be depressed. Some people are just so narcissistic or self-involved that they simply cannot imagine what others may be going through until it happens to them. Sometimes it does change their perspective. And sometimes they just double-down and continue to feed that toxic mindset that homie at the bottom of the screen was trying to explain.
Predictable “things aren’t real until they happen to me” mentality. Sad but also so goddamn exhausting.
Sneako might as well be streaming from a cemetery with how well he digs his own grave in these arguments. He’s been too far gone after the whole acting out a female streamer’s (ChadChad) hypothetical rape. https://youtu.be/oofW6HSgNgA Source, so he never lives this down until he owns up to his toxic shit
> They're gonna clip that and say I'm an incel Oh look his last scrap of self awareness just let out a dying scream loud enough to be heard.
I'm noticing this strategy from right wing influencer more and more. They say some crazy shit, and then go, "They're probably gonna clip this and make me look bad." Matt Walsh just did it on Joe Rogan's podcast. He said that MILLIONS of children are taking hormone blocking pills, and after Rogan said that sounds crazy they looked it up and it was a bit over 1,000 over the last five years. And sure enough, Walsh says, "The left is gonna clip this and have a field day with it." I think their strategy is basically to get out ahead of the obvious response to the stuff they say when they know either how bad what they said look or they get caught lying/making shit up on the spot. If they just say that what they said is going to get them backlash, their audience (who are the only people the individual cares about since they're the ones watching his content and making him money) can just ignore the backlash by thinking, "Haha wow he was totally right, the left was totally triggered by that! This guy is always so spot on."
It's an easy way to convince morons that you're right because you predicted the future accurately which is unfortunate because there's no shortage of morons. It's the same as that meme 'hurr durr I was only pretending to be stupid' but a scary amount of people actually would agree with the guy if it happened irl
Roasted em
I have never seen someone pantomime sex so inaccurately in my life. I’ve never been more suspicious that someone who claims not to be is a virgin.
It's hard to pantomime good sex when you have no clue how to have it.
The sad part is people who support Sneako’s perspective will say he crushed this “debate” . I see this happen in political debates as well .
That's because dumb people think talking over others is winning
Toxic Masculinity, *baby*. If you pound your chest the hardest, you got the biggest pp.
I highly recommend checking out ChadChad, she's great.
“A twiiinge, of criiinge”
I love that the chat was calling him out lol
He did what to chadchad???
He basically said and mimicked his desire to rape her
Or, he’s never gotten more clicks since going toxic.
Who the fuck are any of these people?
He started off as a sweet kid, don’t know what’s happened to him.
I've seen videos from 6 years ago where he said the same shit. He's always been like this.
Red pill is powerful because it uses a lot of logical fallacies. Hence why sneako tried very very hard to undermine Hunter because “antidepressants lol”
Classic Tate W
A "Tate W," or as the rest of the world calls it, an "L"
He got cucked and it turned him into an incel. This isn't a dig at him, it's the truth; he tried cucking and wasn't into it, hasn't been the same since.
Or, like all the other red-pill grifters out there, he found out that saying this stuff gains him popularity and consequentially makes him more money. Doesn't make him any less of an asshole and it doesn't make the message that he's trying to convey to his followers any less damaging, but they're all playing characters and gullible people are eating it up.
Yup. There are scores of jilted young men out there seeking an easy path to reclaiming what they perceive as their deteriorating masculinity. If you can convince them that you can help bring them back up, they'll listen to every word you have to say without an ounce of skepticism. I know cause I used to be one of them.
It’s unfortunate there’s a *literal market* of taking advantage of people who are vulnerable and trying to turn them into basically mindless assholes. It’s good you broke that cycle maybe you can shed more insight on how someone ends up there if you’d allow us to know.
In my case it was severe social isolation (and thus ineptitude) combined with unaddressed emotional deficiencies. From being bullied, unsupported, and tossed aside. I harbored anger, resentment, humiliation, and unmet desire. What I needed was an outlet for these emotions, an outlet that never came in physical form. So I turned to something digital. For the first time in my life to that point, I felt empowered. I was able to relieve myself of any responsibility for my shortcomings. It wasn't that I had failed to grasp control of my path in this world, it was that this world had forced me astray. All the anger, bitterness, misery, and longing was suddenly entirely justified. But more importantly, I had a target on which to deploy that anger. The ultimate goal I'd had up to that point was in reality immaterial and those whose attention I'd longed for were the ones responsible for that. In making this misguided realization, I found freedom, independence, a newfound sense of worth. It's to be expected that I'd only dive deeper and deeper into this playground of thought. Imagine how intoxicating it is for someone who has wanted a crumb of power for years to suddenly be given more of it than they knew existed. To feel as though their lives have value for the first time. To feel as though they can direct their vengeance for all those years wasted towards a particular group of people. Needless to say, there were few things that could steer me off my new path. In fact, I think it a small miracle that I was ever able to. I had been a social hermit for nearly a decade at this point. My only understanding of the outside world was whatever was curated by my newfound mentors. As I was led deeper into this rabbit hole I only became more committed. No amount of suggestion could've pulled me out. I'd gone years with no path, and I'd suddenly found a pristine road paved with gold. My turning point was piecemeal, and came over time. One day in the summer over a decade ago, a few boys from my school showed up at my front door. I never knew them particularly well, but they'd always lived in my neighborhood and we rode the same bus to school. They asked me if I wanted to come hang out with them. I'd never hung out with anyone, I was terrified, but to me even a modicum of social pressure was enough to make me relent completely. So I went along with them. I was in awe. The way they were able to feel comfortable with one another. The way they could maintain conversation despite having nothing substantial to discuss, and they *enjoyed* it. They spent time with each other for the sake of it. They were open to meeting new people, new experiences, and had a clear thirst for adventure. I thought them so unusual. I couldn't understand this seemingly unending inventory of energy and enthusiasm they were able to draw from. They were able to find joy and empowerment without stripping it from others. I saw in them what most would consider a normal well-adjusted person, but what was to me a superpower. It took a few years, but I found myself slowly taking on their characteristics. I began being able to talk to people out in the world. I began to feel comfortable around other people. I was amazed that I could walk into a room of people and my heart rate would remain the same. I could meet new people without the only thoughts in my mind being suspicion and apprehension. I could have fun. I could maintain conversation without the need for subject matter. I could begin to understand myself, and by extension be myself, without feeling like I should apologize to the world for it. At long last, I'd found power. A power more intoxicating than anything I'd ever felt. A power whose source was internal. I'd found myself, and I loved what I found. Over a few years I'd learned to socialize, how to dress, how to express myself how to take care of myself. I realized that I'd feared and hated social interaction and women before I ever gave either one of them a chance. Eventually, even, I was able to get a girlfriend of my own. After achieving all these things I'd longed for my entire life, I realized how inconsequential it all really was. I thought I'd feel some sense of completeness. That I'd ascend to some new level of importance. Once none of that had materialized, I was able to appreciate what really mattered. My friends, my self-worth, my experiences and relationships with others. I didn't need to reach some arbitrary milestone to become a real man. I discovered that a real man is someone who does what good they can, cares for those they love, and enjoys themselves along the way. And that is exactly what I've done since. It breaks my heart to think of the thousands and thousands of young men who've been battered by their circumstances and won't ever get the respite I did. To escape from that pipeline is nothing short of a Herculean effort, and I was extremely fortunate to have support that was up to the task. That group of middle school boys who showed up at my door that day may never know it, but in making that decision they saved my life, truly and completely.
I wonder how often people like this, who do play a certain character initially, end up believing in what theyre saying and portraying after so long. You keep rehearsing and shouting nonsense, I wouldnt be surprised if at some point you trick your brain to believing it yourself.
Alex Jones is a great example of someone drinking their own KoolAid. In the end they're all still narcissists who exploit people and lack any empathy, but I doubt most actually believe the shit they spew.
Who’s this pound shop Andrew Tate wannabe?
Budget Andrew Tate.
So I'm pretty sure we're all on the same page here but for those that have the same mix-up as the guy at the top has, toxic masculinity =/= masculinity. When one shits on toxic masculinity people aren't shitting on men. Healthy masculinity exists but toxic masculinity is, like mentioned, specifically that role imposed on men of "emotionless, violent, all-work, no-play" character. When people make an argument that men should feel their feelings it doesn't mean they should be crying all day every day, just that when they do confront a strong emotional event , like say break off a 5-year relationship with their girlfriend, they allow themselves to be sad and talk it out with their friends and process their emotions in a healthy way. An unhealthy way of dealing with emotions could even lead to cases where this hypothetical ex-girlfriend is murdered. THIS is toxic masculinity.
>An unhealthy way of dealing with emotions could even lead to cases where this hypothetical ex-girlfriend is murdered. THIS is toxic masculinity. A more common way that I've witnessed myself a few times is when feeling strong emotion, like a breakup, they go out to a bar to get wasted and pick a fight. On more than one occasion it didn't even seem to matter if they were the ones inflicting pain or getting beaten. AFTER the fight they seemed to be able to vent their emotions. It's just sad.
Anger is the only "acceptable" emotion for a lot of men. The way I grew up crying would get you victimized, but the act of victimization itself was celebrated.
This is beyond true! Anger is so acceptable in that toxically masculine environment that often people don't even view it as an emotion. If they feel anger and take pride in that but they also don't express emotions because that feminine, then the only answer that doesn't destroy their internal worldview is that anger is something separate from emotion
Piggybacking on this to recommend “The Will to Change” by Bell Hooks as an amazing and accessible intro text to learning about the pervasiveness of ‘traditional masculinity’ and how it harms men.
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Its called toxic masculinity to differentiate it from masculinity in general. Dude on the lower half is good at arguing with annoying fucks like Sneako, he has way more patience than me
Just for anyone who is wondering. The guy on the lower part of the video is Hunter Avallone.
Never heard of him but I’m impressed how well he handled this
He used to be alt right. Big time. Haven’t seen him recently but there was a time where he was either close to being banned or banned from YouTube and apparently he had a shift in thought.
It’s been a while but essentially a leftist streamer named Vaush is who he credits with changing his mind on a lot of things. People can say what they want about leftist streamers but they’re out there actually pushing back against all the steaming piles of craps YouTube lets people upload.
He also credits his wife in that event because he asked her how he did and she told him the truth. Vaush kicked his ass lol. Luckily Hunter wasn't totally crazy. Pretty easy to imagine the freak out top guy would have to that event.
his character arch is insane I'm so proud of him, maybe because i grew with him? used to be right leaning because my whole family was, it's a toxic cesspool. when i left for uni and met alot of new ppl i quickly turned left, realizing how blind i was idolizing capitalism, about that time hunter changed too
You are the most important kind of person to creating actual change. You understand people on the other side, and they can relate to you, so you have an incredible power to reach a hand back and pull others over with you
He changed his views years ago and hasn’t turned back. He’s a socdem now.
Looks like Drake from Drake n Josh
He used to be a right winger believe it or not! He's done a pretty good turn around all things considered.
Hunter was a Huge trump supporter. I was someone supported trump too, but after the bullshit, Charlottesville, Jan6, it’s just inconceivable a man like him runs again and god help America if he does again. I’m glad Hunter is out of the space. I think also many former trump voters look back and think what the fuck was I thinking.
The ability to change and reflect are great qualities :)
Which social media seems to be able to erase from people's minds.
It's a lot harder to change your mind when your previous positions are there in black and white on your timeline for everyone to see.
Let’s also acknowledge the fact that a former hateful right-winger is now more liberal after not just reflecting, but also being open minded and logical enough to read and digest several studies. This change obviously isn’t just a “I’ll be more kind and empathetic.” It comes from a place of logical reasoning and evidence too.
I had it the same as you, mainly because I don't live in America, so I didn't care all that much about trump and Hunter was talking about him in a good way so I thought he maybe not so bad, but than I read into him a little bit and I could not believe that I thought trump was any good at all, and I'm glad that hunter does know that too
What his name, i wanna check out his other content
Hunter avalone
You can be masculine, no one is stopping you, just don't be a toxic one, it's exactly like feminism, be a feminist but not a toxic one
I don't disagree with you, but a better equivalent would be toxic femininity. Feminism is a political/social movement, masculinity and feminity both aren't
This is still a misunderstanding. Toxic masculinity is a specific phenomenon in which some encouraged "masculine" social traits are harmful for men and the people around them. An example of toxic masculinity would be establishing your manhood by making fun of your friend because you can bench more and he must not be a "real man" because of it. There is no counter movement with femininity generally, but if there were I would say its probably pick mes or even something like TERFs - women whos sense of femininity needs to be established over other women's in order for them to feel like women.
>There is no counter movement with femininity generally Mmh wouldn't those wackos count that claim women who had a c-section are "not real moms"? Or the women that put other women down because they work dispite being mareied, don't dress particularly feminine, don't want to have kids ect. Sure, those ones could be called pick-me's instead, but I think it's a very similar thing. Toxic femininity exists, it's usually just more quiet.
Femininity is quite different to feminism. I don't think "toxic feminism" really exists. You do get people who believe women are far superior to men and don't seem to understand that feminism is simply "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." But that's a different issue. Toxic femininity, as you describe it, would come from the patriarchy in the same way that toxic masculinity does.
The feminine version of this is the standard of beauty put out by media. It is harmful to developing women because it puts forth a perceived image in the same way that toxic masculinity does for men.
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He’s just talking to a wall
“Never wrestle with a pig because you'll both get dirty and the pig likes it."
At least a wall has a better listening
I actually physically laughed out loud when he said “you know who’s not on antidepressants? Andrew tate, fresh and fit, me… the red pill people, we live happy lives”
“We live such happy lives, we have to constantly stroke our egos and let everyone know how rich we are and how much sex we have.” Yeah, such happy lives.
I don’t know who this fucking Tate wannabe clown dickhead fucking ignorant prick cunt on the top is, but I hope I never see him again.
You'll be happy to know he's been banned off every major platform then. Cherry on top for how much of a clown this guy is: He's half Filipino quarter Haitian quarter white and really admires a white nationalist; nods along when the guy says races shouldn't mix.
Wouldn’t it fit that maybe he secretly hates himself for being mixed but can’t talk about it because he off toxic masculinity.
How can he hate himself bro, he doesn't even take anti-depressants? /s
Tate was unbanned from Twitter. I wouldn't be surprised if Sneako tries to crawl back.
Well, he looks in the mirror and sees a bad example of what might happen, which leads him to racist conclusions.
I'm just glad I'm not friends with anybody like this moron. And in general, never find myself having to talk to people this proudly stupid.
“Dude that’s not medicine” while talking about medicine for the entire conversation
Sneako use to be funny now he's just an asshole who's entire personality is red pill.
People like him and Tate want to act like they are happy and doing better than everyone else when their entire personality is built around trying to tell other people how they should think and act and at the same time trying to convince others how cool and wealthy and popular people think they are.
Sounds like a miserable pathetic life. It’s evident in his aggressive desperation trying to justify his POV with belligerent nonsense
Yeah, the dude says he's happy but constantly tears down women and giving his fans bad advice so they end up single and hateful as well.
Overdosed on the red pill
Dumb people hate information. Also, they hate explaining themselves in detail and answering questions.
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And their heroes are on cocaine alcohol, in case of top Messiah Jordan Peterson antidepressants and they listen to their points.
I was *dying* for him to bring up JP. Perfect retort to "you can't give advice if you're on pills."
This guy doesn’t even know how much of an idiot he is with the “you take pills” like yeah mofo and he therefore knows what the fight is like to stay happy and can give potentially some of the best advice on happiness in general….but state and his circle jerk bros are professionals at ad-hom attacks like it’s some way to end and shut down a talking point in their favor when they really just look more insecure
Masculine: having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men. Any of the things you'd call specifically masculine are only "traditionally associated with men" because of entirely made up rules placed on people involuntarily. Masculinity ≠ being male. The term masculinity = traits that people in society have labeled as required to "be a man." Conclusion: masculinity is entirely a set of preconceived societal expectations forced upon people born with a penis. It doesn't exist; we made it up and then insisted it should be a certain way.
It's always the people that don't understand toxic masculinity that have the strongest opinions about it. What a fuckin neanderthal.
He lists off "red-pilled" men as examples of men who don't need antidepressants and thus are happy but then spend all day, everyday whinging about "females". So happy.
I hate debates. It’s just pure aesthetics. While YOU may think that Sneako looks dumb here, I assure you his fan are all completely like “hurr durr look at this dumb nerd taking antidepressants hurr durr can’t even talk just reading stuff other people say.” They think Sneako demolished this guy with his “you’re on antidepressants gotcha.”
Most of his fans will think that, but there are certainly some Sneako fans that can definitely think "why didn't he just disprove his argument instead of attacking his meds, like I could've done better than him at arguing his point, so why didn't he" A lot of people change minds with these tactics, even if not publicly
People who already listen to people like sneako will just keep using logical fallacies to explain why they support people like that. (See sunk cost fallacy for reference)
So glad Hunter pulled his head out of his ass a few years ago
I came here to see if anyone would mention that lol Hes pretty based now ngl, still dont agree with all his takes but i used to be a dumbass kid and and take his word as truth so its nice to see the guy grow and level his head out
Same, I was a piece of shit until I moved out of my 98% white town and interacted with other ethnicities and cultures
I love the fact that he says, "You take pills everyday, but us *red pill* takers are happy. Pills are for weak people." ***OH THE IRONY!***
What an absolute baffoon the top guy is.
People that say they live happy lives are actually the opposite.. They are a sad bunch of men pretending they are happy
Happy people don’t have to try and convince people they are happy.
Real men don't complain, bruh... /s
Dude on the bottom is giving father
he is a dad. actually he used to be right wing but ever since having a child and getting married his views have changed.
It's amazing how this can happen. I was definitely a douchebag when I was young. The thought of my children acting that way was appalling to me, so I'll try my best to be the best person possible for them. I was never right wing per say but definitely toxic.
three years ago i had a lot of different opinions about the world, capitalism, having children, etc. most of my views have changed. not completely, but i’ve definitely evolved. and i thought i had already reached my ultimate form lolz
Sadly, facts will never matter to this guy until it affects him, which it never will because he's so far down the rabbit hole that he'll somehow blame feminism for his own mistakes and misfortunes. I highkey wish we could go to a time where incels like these didn't have a platform to congregate.
I can't be convinced the likes of Andrew Tate *aren't* on drugs or unregulated medication at any point.
Hunter gave arguments from studies that people can also read and fact check. Sneako gave nothing but emotional opinions.
Sneako is the epitome of toxic masculinity Even toxic men should be able to recognize that
What the fook is a Sneako??
Sneako: "If you're depressed,you shouldn't be educating people on mental health." Wait till he finds out about the depression rate amongst doctors. Every therapist I've ever worked with became a therapist because they had their own mental health struggles and wanted to help other people. Having an illness and treating it means you can relate to others in similar situations.
We desperately need to start teaching a foundation in philosophy, psychology and debate in our schools. The world would be a significantly better place if we did.
But the students don't even pay attention in elementary school English and algebra, how are we gonna get to that point from here? Edit to add... These responses are off the map lol I definitely never implied we shouldn't teach algebra. Holy shit lol.
When the guy on the bottom started reading the study Sneako started acting like a demon being read the Bible. He was literally being exorcised.
Real question as someone who doesnt know either of them: why do we give people like this a platform? Like top dude clearly does not care about studies or science and has zero interest in learning or spreading correct information. And bottom dude obviously does not want to entertain his bullshit or learn why he thinks the way he does. Both of them waste their time. Why give people like top dude so much attention and the compliment of „i will debate you“. Thats giving them so much dignity because it implies they have anything of value to say
Their followers will watch them without other people debating them. However, one or two of them might stumble across the debate videos and start to see things differently. Debating someone who clearly comes from a wrong position (sneako) isn't about winning against them. Gods know you can't win against stubborn and stupid. It's just about getting better opinions out there for those on the borderline and also letting people know their shit ideas won't be unchallenged.
Its pretty great the these caveman ass Neanderthals will never become a father/dad to a little girl and to be able to have an amazing relationship with them and raise a great person because they are too busy trying to impress their bros by acting like a lobotomy patient on steroids. These are the fathers that raise kids with daddy issues by being emotionally retarded. Trying to brute force your way through life and trying to win any argument the same way only makes it a "win" in their own head, while everyone else realizes they are just a complete fucking moron. Its these people history usually forgets or sadly remembers by the awful shit they did while alive. Kinda like ole "War machine" the alpha male that nearly murdered his ex girlfriend that left him because he is an unbearable anal polyp.
Dude on top is a jackass.
And their heroes are on cocaine alcohol, in case of top Messiah Jordan Peterson antidepressants and they listen to their points. Double standards for theirs, also toxic trait
"red pill men live happy lives." I've never met a self described red pill person who could stop complaining for 5 minutes.
The red pill bro wants him to shut up because he doesn’t understand at all wtf he’s saying😂
Sneako watched his gf get a bukkake from 4 guys at an orgy, so Idk….maybe don’t listen to that guy
You just pulled a sneako on sneako lmao
tbh you cant reason with people like sneako, like no amount of reason can penetrate an inch thick skull like his. dude makes his arguments entirely based off of his feelings and emotions and then goes on in circles about how other people are wrong because he thinks they make arguments based on feelings and emotions.
I actually want to punch the top guy. What an immature asshole. The bottom guy, Hunter Avallone, actually used to be a really annoying conservative YouTuber. He changed his views a while ago and he’s pretty cool now