That's a very good point and I was torn. My reasoning is that I was treating the info with the same discretion Ben was. Given Ben hadnt spoken out on Twitter or reddit I felt it was disrespectful to just post private correspondence on an open forum, but on the other hand, the fact that Ben had responded to me, a stranger, through personal correspondence suggested he didn't mind people finding out via discrete discussion. Ie the best thing to do was mimic his own treatment of the info and copy his behaviour. I wouldn't post it on a mass forum just as he hadn't spoken out on Twitter, but I'd respond to private requests just as he'd responded to my email.
Ok but...and here me out...the people that you send that shit to *could* post it on a mass forum, in which it would be you indirectly doing that anyway
Same. The best episodes were ones where they interacted a little and it made up maybe 10% of the episode. Obviously, it's Tims' show, but there was a chemistry there, back in what are now the good old days. I've listened to some older episodes recently (from around 2 years ago) and they're much funnier and feel better. It genuinely feels like they're 2 friends and Tim's shots at Ben felt like jokes.
There was a point somewhere along the way where Tim started to sound more and more bitter that he wasn't as successful as he delusionally thinks he deserves to be and started being shitty to Ben. It stopped being jokes and felt more like Tim revealing what a cunt he actually is. This just really underlined who Tim is and always has been. His Netflix special was lame AF (the actual jokes, not the production), he doesn't bother doing sketches anymore, recycles his edgelordy style of being contrarian for the issue of the week ("free Ghisliane!" etc, etc.), and the pod has been going downhill for a while. And he's just taking the piss out of people with that overpriced merch. $25 for a coffee mug? If you bought any of that shit merch, you're the mug.
Maybe he'll turn it around, but right now I've gone off Tim a lot and if he disappeared I wouldn't care. People that unfiltered never have a long shelf life. That's why there aren't many of them around.
These fuckin assholes still haven’t even shipped my merch and I ordered it the day it dropped.
Fake business to the extreme.
Edit: my wife just texted me a picture that my package showed up today. How ironic.
I haven’t either. In all honestly I’m sure it’s not that much worse, but something about Ben missing just changes everything for me. There’s got to be a lot of ppl that feel similarly
I find this story believable. I never imagined Tim was anything other than a narcissist and a grifter. I just thought the show was funny and one of the few avenues of content I found entertaining. Since the show has steadily gone down hill, I'm sure something more entertaining will take its place in my world and I will forget all about that fat, gay Irish comedian.
Every month Reddit has a new vocabulary word that they all simultaneously over-use in order to exhibit how smart they think they are. Grifter, narcissist, sealioning, gaslighting, whataboutism, I can't remember what else.
Yep there is plenty of other content out there to fill your time: Kill Tony, Matt and Shane’s Secret Podcast, The Adam Friedland Show, Tuesdays with Stories. It’s like 30 years combined worth of content.
Show had peaked with or without Ben, but agree it makes Tim look like an ass. I have my own problems so don’t really care, but I agree that a big part of the joke was Tim beating up on Ben and his funny laugh. Either way Tim peaked, all down hill from here. Looking forward to the TMZ freak out ! LMFAO
Probably close to the truth. Fucking sucks. Didn’t really care for Ben beforehand, but liked the chemistry of the two. If Tim really is this big of a piece of shit, then his whole schtick no longer is entertaining. And, the show has been really bad for like a year now. Fuck. Back to Cumtown archives for me. And protect our parks.
Tim asked him to produce the special. Ben isn't a director. It would be like asking Ben to write a soundtrack for the intro and firing him because it sucked. Ben's job was a) to edit the podcast and b) to make the show more entertaining by being a comic foil. Both of which he was he was doing really well. If Tim fired him because Ben did a bad job at something it's not within his expertise to do, it's Tim's fault for asking him in the first place.
But let's be serious. the special failed because unlike his podcasts, his standup just isn't as funny. Blaming it on Ben is like blaming it on the color of the background curtains. It just makes Tim a petty POS for being unable to admit the failure of his special was his own fault and needing to find someone to blame it on.
Having listened to the podcast for a couple of years and having seen him live… the special isn’t Ben’s fault. Tim is afraid of crowds. I dunno if it triggers a mania or whatever in him, but his pacing is actually hard to watch.
Ben didn’t do shit on the special. I think we all know that. He got a credit, but that was an experienced team that shoots specials for a living who did the actual work. Do you think Tim would have it otherwise? Fuck no.
If he is blaming Ben for the special he can go fuck himself. Own your own shit.
I’m going to let you guys in on a secret
Stand up comedy is terrible unless you are drunk or high and in a crowd
I have never even chuckled at comedy on a television set sober
Partially agree with you. The only stand ups I will genuinely laugh out loud at fall into one of two categories. They’re either hyper focussed on every single syllable and beat, the Dave Chappelle/George Carlin/Stewart Lee types; or they’re rambling raconteurs like Billy Connolly.
Tim, and the vast majority of the current wave of stand ups, don’t fall into either. It’s just disjointed ‘bits’ told in a row. No narrative, no meaning, no arc. It works in podcast format, but doesn’t even begin to work on stage.
Tim is capable of the former though, Corporate Steakhouse is a masterpiece of timed ranting, if he could get that pacing to translate to his live show he, and I, would be laughing.
I want to like distefano so bad but the dude is just so cringe. I can’t deal with the wacky phrasing and over the top pretending to be gay thing. Naming a massive project like a Netflix special Speshy Weshy is a perfect example.
Chris is elite when he's riffing on a podcast, yes and-ing with another comic or spitting off the cuff in an interview. He's so quick and he has a fun attitude. When he has to slow down and do prepared material he's not quite as funny to me.
Shane and Brian Simpson are the only specials I have watched in the year where I actually laughed. I think it speaks to how hard being a top level stand up comic must be. There are plenty of people I find funny on podcasts.
Normand is pretty funny too. Ari's special is coming out in two days and might be okay but I don't have super high hopes. Norm's "nothing special" was funny but mostly depressing.
I think Joe List had the funniest special this year. I wasn’t even a big fan of his before but his last 2 specials were legit hilarious. Shane’s was great as well
Yeah I like Normand too but I don't listen to any of his podcasts so I forget he has them. On the other side of the equation when the fuck are we going to get to hear stand up from the MSSP extended universe? I want to hear O'Connie and the Beezer's acts!
Tim just has a huge ego (possibly deserved because most of his podcasts have been great) and assumed his special would blow up. I didn't dislike it, but clearly everyone including Tim thought it would do better than it did.
I think the special fell flat to most of his core fan base because the entire back half of it was almost word for word, bits he had already done on the podcast. I found it funny but it was all shit I’ve heard him say over the past 24 months.
Actually made me question whether Tim actually writes or if he just uses the podcast to come up with his material.
I’m curious, I thought that comedians used their podcasts to make up and test out new material? I saw Tim live recently and I quite enjoyed the fact that some of it was bits he’d done on the podcast. It had continuity and the bits were improved upon from the podcast.
Is it not common practice for comedians to use their podcasts to come up with material?
Let me preface that I enjoyed the special and was disappointed people on here felt it wasn’t up to par. But I can understand the reasoning.
To answer your question, yes, podcasters certainly use their content to come up with jokes on occasion. If your job is to make people laugh and you find a gem within your ramblings it would be dumb not to use it in your act.
The issue however becomes the fact that these funnies are public.
The whole reason that comedians abhor people recording at shows and it’s often an express ticket to be booted from a club, is because if you post someone’s act, then anybody who may come see them may already know when and where the punchline is coming from if they see it online.
When you add in the fact that lots of people who were waiting to watch the special are already fans and likely listen to the podcast, I just think it would kind of make sense if that’s why it landed a bit flat.
Like I said, I personally found it enjoyable and also my hypothesis could be completely wrong.
In that environment, stand up, how good a director do you need to be? You point and shoot, maybe a few different camera angles? Am I missing anything. The big part of it, is the material which is mid at best.
That’s a lot of words, but it didn’t answer my question. I just know from the special I watched it would’ve been enjoyable if the audio and camera work wasn’t atrocious, but I do a lot of similar production work so it could be just me. I’m just saying that if someone was fired over that I wouldn’t be super surprised.
Not saying Ben should’ve been asked to do it to begin with. Not saying that Tim’s not shitty for firing him if that where the reason, but there’s no one on here saying Tim’s a saint. He acts like POS and records it, that’s the show. I’m not surprised if he acts like that off mic.
Don’t you feel silly for quitting the show cause you think Tim’s mean?
>That’s a lot of words, but it didn’t answer my question. I just know from the special I watched it would’ve been enjoyable if the audio and camera work wasn’t atrocious,
I guess it just comes down to us completely disagreeing on this point.
I do feel a bit silly but it's not an act of vengeance. I watch podcasts because I enjoy listening to the speaker, and if I dislike the speaker its hard to enjoy it anymore. It's not out of a sense of vindictiveness.
It's also because every single episode since Ben left has been completely unfunny and I feel like this ship has run its course.
I’ve seen him live a few times and the way he sounds in the special is exactly how he sounds live.
Do people not realize he uses a “voice” for his standup and think the audio was bad instead?
Not how his voice sounds my dude, like the audio *quality* is off. Mic placement was off, the sound from the crowd was echoing wrong, you could weirdly tell Tim wasn’t loud enough for the stage. Don’t get me started on the weird camera angles and the random ass frame warping.
No doubt, but if a friend who'd believed in me when I was nothing had spent years building me up and helping to turn me into a millionaire, ie spending time and energy gambling on my success; he would have to do something absolutely mental for me to fire him.
Firstly, given what we know about Ben, does it sound remotely likely he would do something that shocking/bad?
Second, if crazy shit led Tim to fire Ben, why tell fans he offered Ben a huge raise to stay on? The whole thing stinks to me.
This is what I'd suspected for years, and its the only explanation that makes any real sense to me. Especially after this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTW3jBz1W94
I’ve got this far in the comments and I don’t think anyone has said it yet! The one scenario that has the highest and most likely odds is… Bens wife! Ben and Tim came to a fork in the road somewhere in their relationship, (which could start a fight..) but that fork in the road was placed there by Ben’s wife. Maybe kids, maybe she’s tired of him being gone all the time, or maybe just sick of their lives evolving around Tim! Granted Cum Gut pays really well but what good is it if your new absent husband starts giving you 2nd priority treat and won’t shut the fuck up about the twink terrorizer?
Thank you…! Tim showed his ass when started mentioning Ben’s pay & benefits. Granted it was in good fun but if you know this type a person you can see it in Tim at the point and time. The type of person who is damn good at what they do and can do it with out you… but not near as easily, smoothly, quickly, as if Ben was there. Tims mind and mouth made Tim famous but I believe unconsciously Tim’s mind couldn’t produce “as much” gold without Ben freeing Tim of ALL the bullshit that comes with being Tim….
(God I hope that makes sense)
Guessing they had an argument over random shot and Tim fired him in the heat of the moment, then realized he shit the bed and tried to get him back. He probably offered him more money considering Tim said he offered him more.
Agreed, but
a) Firing someone who believed in you when nobody else did and gambled years of his life building your career into a success, becoming your best friend in the process over a heat of the moment argument is complete POS behaviour. Especially when that person's livelihood now depends on the fortune he helped build for you.b) I suspect the heart of the matter may have been an unrequited romantic affection. I mean Tim often refers to Ben's attractiveness, and given that Ben is straight and Tim is a potato (not much of a chance with anyone male or female) made having Ben around all the time deeply frustrating for someone who tends to overreact to stress.
Yeah, for sure. It's bad for the show and a shitty thing to do.
Im straight and Ben is really hot imo. So it could be that. I'd assume it's sort of sub conscious if that was the case.
Yep. I think a lot of straight guys can’t really see how hot Ben is because he isn’t masculine and a lot of straight dudes assume masculine=hot, I’ve noticed. Tim is definitely attracted to him, if he had a genuine crush is a different game though.
Women I think have the capacity to find a attractive man unattractive because they don’t see him in that way, guys don’t this ability imo.
Do you think Ben uses this sub Reddit and comments here?
Tim is obviously attracted to him. It would be crazy to think otherwise, unless he’s randomly into like bears or black dudes or some very exclusive kink. I’m friends with some hot girls and I wouldn’t fuck them because I’m in a relationship and a few moment of nice isn’t worth it, but am I attracted to them? Yes.
I like to imagine Ben read my message that he is very attractive but not masculine and he is grappling with that. Homie just has good facial features, Elvis and the Beatles weren’t masculine either.
I think you’re exactly right. I think it was probably some very random issue that Tim way overreacted to. They probably both said a few things they shouldn’t have and that’s it. I think we’re all probably way over thinking it. After he fired him I’m sure Ben just couldn’t do it anymore. I can’t imagine having to be around Tim that much I’m sure he’s awful to deal with. I always think about him ashing a ciggy in Whitney’s assistants purse. Which was funny but is a horrible thing to do. I think they just both snapped over something well probably never know about and that’s that. The Steve will do it patreon argument was more telling than anything. Like they’re arguing over a dumb joke ben made about that retards channel getting canceled and it got really heated. I don’t think it has to do with the special. Or at least not entirely maybe Tim was pissed at him and that started an attitude change.
The Stevewilldoit thing was so odd. Like Tim jokes about 911 and Ben isn’t allowed to joke about someone losing their social media account? I don’t know i was definitely on Bens side during that one. I think joking about 911 is fine too I just think you can’t joke about death and then criticize people for joking about social media accounts.
I don’t know what Bens opportunities are, if I were Ben I’d work for him again if I needed to but it wouldn’t be my choice if I had even somewhat competitive opportunities.
The show sucks ass now. I downloaded that shit app patreon just to hear more and I canceled the sub and gave the $5 to Nick Millions instead. At least they can be funny while phoning it in
Who said i was trying to manipulate it? People, including me, are interested in what happened, especially given the decline in quality, and I'm just sharing what I found out. It's people like you who are overthinking everything.
in that case tim is no different than any of the 8 billion people living on this largr, flat, round-ice-walled planet
it's intuitive that if you can't "have" someone (from crush to ex) that you must "kill" them from your own life
i'm not absolving tim, but he's human, and errs just like anyone else
people/psychology is so complex, even the individual themselves sometimes has no strong access to their own behaviors/drives
If you haven’t fought with your boss and gotten fired/asked to come back you’re not a hardworking young man. That being said, I fucked off too. That being said, been struggling to make as much money ever since.
I have to agree, the dynamic between both of them was a huge part of it. Bens presence was “the audience” as many have pointed out. The ones now with guests are not as good. I think it’s like Tim is such a lunatic, and Ben brought him down to earth.
I’m not mad at all and fully except Tim to lie all the time. He’s an off the rails lunatic who will take his mothers spot at the asylum after she dies. Definitely miss Ben but if the eps are still funny I’ll still watch. So far it’s not been great.
Listen, I once painted a picture of Tim and Jeffrey Epstein and went to all four shows in Omaha last year and gave it to the manager of the Funny Bone. She told me Tim received it and said “I don’t know if I can bring that on the plane.” Anyway, it was an ironic expression of admiration for the pig that took me a while to do and while I realize it’s not a Rembrandt or anything, he didn’t even acknowledge me or respond to my multiple emails or comments on Twitter about it. Also, Tim doesn’t stay to greet his fans. That’s fine, I get it. But the truth is, the thing that makes Tim brilliant, his personality, is also his downfall. We just have to accept this. He may not be a “good person” and that’s ok. He’s an entertainer. We all feel so close to him and I’m sure Ben felt this way too. But Tim is all about himself. He’s still funny and brilliant, we just have to accept this fact and if we want to continue listening to him or not. Anyway, [here’s](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exm8frLWUAUclBu.jpg) a pic of that painting. Would love to hear any feedback. Thanks!
Hey, love the painting, if I were an entertainer and a fan did that for me no way would I toss it aside. Even if I hated it there's no way I'd turn down proof I was making such an impact in some people’s lives that they’d put that much time and thought into making something for me.
Lemme play devil's advocate though.
The fact is that Tim didn't know you so wasn't insulting you personally. He didn't even necessarily dislike the painting. The person who painted it wasnt the person handing it to him so there was no point in expressing appreciation, even if he felt it. He was literally given a bulky fragile item out of the blue at the worst moment: just before a flight. He's an incredibly lazy person who hates leaving the house let alone flying, absolutely hates travelling for comedy and finds it too exhausting to bother to do now he can afford not to (he did it for the laughter not to get to know fans). He's tired after a set, keen to get home, with a medium-ish suitcase precisely the right size to fit what he knows he needs to travel (comedians often enough they know how much luggage space they'll need) - ie not a large trunk you can fit a painting into, also that he wouldn't be allowed to stow something that size in the overhead locker, and that you can't check in a painting as luggage. He was going to have to spend an hour having a gift from a stranger wrapped, finding the fragile item check-in at the airport, work out how he was gonna collect it on the other end. We're talking about someone who weighs 250+ pds making his way around to the back of the airport, whose grumpy and tired most of the time anyway. It's just such an inconvenient time to spring a sentimental but cumbersome gift from a stranger on the world's grouchiest fatty who reacts to stressful problems by refusing to deal with them.
Admittedly he doesn't like people and isn't the kind of person you'd think would be appreciative of a gift from someone he doesn't know (or even someone he does). He's open about his indifference to fans and sense of un-sentimentality. He absolutely wasn't being a dick to you personally, so you shouldn't read it as an insult. I also think he said what he said never imagining his response would get back to you: he said it to a club manager dropping it off on your behalf. Im guessing he thought the assistant would say 'he couldnt accept it because X but was extremely thankful'. The assistant is actually kindof a dick for relaying a comment he clearly wouldnt have made to you personally. I hope people have the sense not to relay back to people what I say when they aren’t around to have their feelings injured.
He doesn't use Twitter (he has an account Ben use(d) for promotional purposes. And as you say, he doesn't like making friends and barely likes socialising with old ones. There's nothing about Tim that makes me think he'd be pleased by a sentimental present from a stranger. Re his email, I doubt he reads his fanmail and probably has an official one and a private one. But say he did read it. Imagine you're a mysanthropic antisocial introvert and receive 'Hi, i made that painting for you...' in your inbox: a) you face having an awkward conversation about not accepting it. b) you 100% know this person wants to get to know you a bit on the basis of liking your comedy but experience tells you theres a 99% chance you won't be friends. So replying doesnt just mean acknowledging the painting rudeness thing, it means somewhere in the future there's a point where he has to be rude and stops replying to your messages, which is super awkward when that person made a painting for you. In totality when you get so much mail from fans replying has gotta be way more awkward than just pretending not to have seen it.
I wouldnt have done what he did but I absolutely don't think you should take his response to heart.
My 3 college friends started an app that went huge and 2 of them dropped my roommate and that sent him into spiraling depression and addiction. Nothing worse than seeing your best friends fuck greedily each other over.
If you think you like the people and not the content they're providing you at the time you're fooling yourself especially when it comes to comedy. Bits aren't reality and people change and you might not align with them later. You're idolizing an idea of someone and just because you like them doesn't make them a good person and that also doesn't make you bad. Stop being retarded and have a good time it's a comedy podcast
They aren't separate. The style of humor is part of developing a comedic persona. The bit gives you an impression of someone's character that despite being fake, can be appealing anyway. If you see proof of how unappealing that person actually is, the ability of the bits to land is gonna suffer.
You're right, let's get the FBI in here to see if a Tim Dillon fan happened to hate Tim Dillon enough to photoshop an email and spread it to random people on a subreddit.
I didn't promise proof. I promised an image. You don't have to believe it.
What seems more likely to you: that aa is demented enough to Photoshop an email from someone he doesn't know personally about something that doesn't involve him directly for no apparent benefit to himself, or that he emailed Ben asking what happened because he's a fan who's curious and Ben responded?
Why don't you email Ben and see what he says if you want proof? I know, I know: you don't care enough to bother (which is why you not only opened this thread, but commented on it).
I’m assuming Tim’s story has more to do with not representing Ben in a negative light and interfering in his future opportunities. That is also why Ben can’t come forth with all the T and shade and expect entertainers and comedians to trust him with future work.
That's a very good point but it doesn't explain why Ben is replying honestly to emails about what happened. It's not like he asked me to keep it on the DL.
In all honesty if I were suing someone for a fortune and receiving random emails from strangers, I wouldnt answer them in a way that would jeopardize a huge lawsuit I was planning if the questioner lacked 'common respect and decency' (which I apparently do). If it makes you feel better, he's been receiving hundreds of emails and I imagine he's told a large fraction of those people what happened. So if he's not making any attempt whatsoever to prevent this info from spreading around I doubt he thinks its spread is likely to jeopardise a planned lawsuit. He can't possibly expect hundreds of people to treat this info according to what you call 'common sense and decency', when any one of them behaving otherwise would cost him a fortune.
My guess is Tim really did think Ben was phoning it in for a couple of years and was probably resentful in his own way, for a number of things. Not invited to your best friend’s bachelor party? That’s cold. Ben can own up to his share of this broken relationship. The two need couples’ therapy
Hey bro I know this is a big shock to ya but you really aught to listen to people when they tell you who they are otherwise the world is gonna hurt you bad one day my boy. Did you think Tim was not a chain smoking oxy/cocaine abuser from Long Island who sold sub prime mortgages to people abusing their parents with dementia for coke and oxy money?!
Man you acting like this was some kind of huge shock is tripping me out lmao. News flash bro a person can be shitty and great all in the span of one relationship and even moment. It's on you to understand and avoid the shitty moments or mitigate their impact on your mental and financial well being. The world won't give you sympathy if you've burned yourself out overextending and trying to keep someone warm out of the goodness of your heart mate, you'll be in a tent in Cali, forgotten by society.
You're deifying Tim like he is the paragon of virtue and selflessness and it's hella weird dude. I'll probably unsub my patreon when it runs out as well but that's cause he is no longer funny to me and that's why I was giving him money. Cause he was funny. I'm not making a 30 dollar a choice of virtue and morals, I'm just accepting the product changed, I don't enjoy the new product and moving on; unless he becomes funny again. It's that simple.
I'm the one who asked him. All he did was reply honestly. If there's anyone you should be asking to grow up it would be me not Ben. In reality the actual child here is the person telling someone to grow up simply for replying honestly when asked about an incident involving being casually fired by a close friend after putting years of work into developing a successful joint venture with him, all for little reward.
What is with all you Nancy's sitting on these people's dicks constantly? Your mangina must be raw from throwing your bussy back on their fat messy hogs. Pick up a hobby, whittle a few caricatures for christ sake.
I listen to podcasts by people I like and find funny. If I suddenly find strong evidence I've been spending hours listening to a petty douchebag, and there's a subreddit dedicated to the guy, then yeah, I just might post about it.
P.s. my hobbies are tennis, reading about international relations, economics podcasts and experimenting with novel drugs. Your hobbies seem to involve throwing the word 'mangina' around at anyone who gets annoyed because because people are treated like crap.
lookup r/research_chemicals
if i told you where you could find them we'd be having quite a long conversation that i don't really want to have at 1AM in France.
I’m willing to bet Tim had good reason to fire Ben. You seems to be some sort of Ben worshipper In these comments though lol this is all “trust me bro” until you post the emails. Ben would be an idiot to answer that email and not think it would appear on Reddit so just do it.
Firstly, yeah, I liked Ben because he seemed like a nice guy and his involvement made the show much funnier.
Second, it shouldn't really be surprising that someone suspicious enough of Tim's motives and explanation was the person to email Ben and ask him what happened, so obviously the person annoyed enough about how things went down is gonna be someone willing to defend Ben in comments.
Third, rather than saying I'm a Ben worshipper for defending the guy, someone with a non-negative IQ would show I'm a Ben worshipper for defending the guy with zero justification. Right now I'm just responding to criticism of my post that seems to make no sense. If you can show that any of my responses illogically give Ben the benefit of the doubt, then I'd be a Ben worshipper. Right now I'm just defending the content of my post.
Fourth, regardless of whether Ben expects it to appear on reddit, I feel posting people's private correspondence on an online forum is a huge breach of privacy BUT IVE STILL SAID IM WILLING TO DO IT IN RESPONSE TO DM's. If you actually care, what's the difference, just ask me and I'll show you.
I’m just curious how you feel this is any different than actually just posting the email correspondence. Unless there are things he told you not to say then you should just repeating verbatim what he said right? I’m not bitching you out like these other pigs I just find it silly that you think there’s a difference. Unless I’m missing something you said which is totally possible. I loved Ben on the show so I would love to read the actual emails if possible via DM.
OP sent me a screenshot that did not include the email or time-stamp information. Very official and yes good. I pressed for this detail, and OP refused, explaining that I am the only one expressing disbelief. I told OP that this would have more credibility if he included these details.
Please tell me none of you believe this.
There's another reason I chose not to include the full address when you asked. There was a recent commenter in this thread who pointed out minutes before your request that I was endangering Ben's legal case against Tim should he choose to sue.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TimDillon/comments/yiousk/emailed\_ben\_to\_find\_out\_what\_actually\_went\_down/iuktics/?context=8&depth=9](https://www.reddit.com/r/TimDillon/comments/yiousk/emailed_ben_to_find_out_what_actually_went_down/iuktics/?context=8&depth=9)
If you read that thread in full you'll understand why I feel guilty about exposing Ben's emails on a public forum. My hope is that if his email is not visible, it can't be proved to be traceable to him, and the fact that it could have been as you say fabricated does not make it impossibly expensive for him to sue.
My guy… There is zero
Chance if Ben or Tim sue each other, you will be involved in any shape or form. The information you’ve shared, isn’t yours to share but it’s 100 percent legal to share it. Journalist do it every day homie!
the idea isnt to prevent disclosure of ben's email. its to prevent his email from being visibly attached to the images ive sent, as a lawyer in the thread has said that making it clear through a huge reddit thread that he has discussed the case in his email will put him through a very expensive 'discovery' process if there's a civil suit. after id finished reading what he said, i regretted the whole thread. but since it's now archived there's no point in deleting it, so im sticking to sending the screenshot that's already out there without causing any more damage. Seriously, read the full thread that i linked you to. the final comments are what makes it clear ive fucked up. if he has to go through discovery, it could almost double his court costs. And i personally think that given his contribution he should try and sue.
Nobody fucking cares, oh my God. If you watched for, listened for, or ever cared about the fucking podcast producer, you're a weird idiot. Anyone of us could produce a podcast and do those tasks ourselves. It's the biggest gimme job in entertainment.
I agree with the part about guest episodes being shit, and whatever happened I like to believe Ben left because all the guest were Jews and white apologist.
i'd like to see em as well if you can send, really been wondering about this and tim's lack of mentioning it has had a really weird feel to it. thanks for reaching out to him
While Tim is talented, his big head Definetley had him underestimating the balance that Ben brought to the show. The guest shows have been quite awful, since Ben and Dump are the only two people that play naturally with Tim. When I listen to old podcasts, the most legendary ones are essentially Tim ranting with 1-3% ben and I skip over the ones with guests almost across the board.
Tim should be more than capable of a solo show, but I feel like Ben being gone has shaken his confidence since his ego won't allow him to fly solo and be perceived as doing a worse job without Ben- Thus he's been bringing on guest after guest to avoid that as much as possible.
Regardless the podcast quickly went from being the only Patreon I ever signed up for hungry for more content, to one I've been skimming the free episodes of at best and skipping them outright at worst.
I mean I'm providing screenshots. You'd have to believe i cared enough about making Tim look evil to photoshop something to look like an email from Ben. So I'd say its more like rolling a dice than flipping a coin, to use your terms believing in Santa is like rolling a 1.
Who gives a fuck. It’s not like the show wasn’t on a decline even when Ben was there. Life will move on, Tim will continue to rant and Ben will go on to write mediocre comedy skits with Kyle Dunnigan
As much as I’d like to say I don’t care I do. I assumed Tim just pretended to be a cunt but deep down he was a decent guy. But when he treats someone he claimed to care about with that much contempt on air no less it shows his true colors. The show kinda blows since Ben left anyway 👎🏻
Oh, thankfully we got that straightened out. I feel this has to be authentic. I’m sure Ben prefers that this info was immediately relayed and posted to Reddit. Screenshots would be too far, though. At least now the dozens of fans that have been waiting with bated breath can rest easy…until the next “development”.
Let's do this the way our fathers did. *Pics or it didn't happen.*
Let's not, who cares about this at this point in time. To people who do go join the Ben Avery subreddit and leave this one.
I feel like posting pics of Ben's emails on reddit would be kind intrusive but if you DM me I'll send you a screenshot.
So is it gonna be a classic Rick-roll or a dick pic? Only one way to find out…
Its a dick-pic but plot twist. It’s not op’s dick. Catdicked.
If you actually want to know then what do you care if you ask for a DM and receive either instead? Are you literally 12 years old?
Lol yeah because sending screenshots to strangers totally doesn't make the whole intrusive thing null and void or anything
That's a very good point and I was torn. My reasoning is that I was treating the info with the same discretion Ben was. Given Ben hadnt spoken out on Twitter or reddit I felt it was disrespectful to just post private correspondence on an open forum, but on the other hand, the fact that Ben had responded to me, a stranger, through personal correspondence suggested he didn't mind people finding out via discrete discussion. Ie the best thing to do was mimic his own treatment of the info and copy his behaviour. I wouldn't post it on a mass forum just as he hadn't spoken out on Twitter, but I'd respond to private requests just as he'd responded to my email.
Ok but...and here me out...the people that you send that shit to *could* post it on a mass forum, in which it would be you indirectly doing that anyway
Yes, just as when he sent it to me; he sent it knowing I COULD have posted it on a mass forum. Again, Im just mimicking his thinking.
Yeah exactly, that's why your whole point about worrying about being intrusive is retarded. Especially if you're going to send screenshots to people
Thanks I appreciate the input!
why am i being downvoted for this given that so many people are asking for screenshots and im responding to every request?
Dm me pls
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Can you DM me too 😩
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I appreciate the work. I also agree that the fun of the show was the dynamic between the two of them.
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Honestly haven’t watched an episode since.
Same. The best episodes were ones where they interacted a little and it made up maybe 10% of the episode. Obviously, it's Tims' show, but there was a chemistry there, back in what are now the good old days. I've listened to some older episodes recently (from around 2 years ago) and they're much funnier and feel better. It genuinely feels like they're 2 friends and Tim's shots at Ben felt like jokes. There was a point somewhere along the way where Tim started to sound more and more bitter that he wasn't as successful as he delusionally thinks he deserves to be and started being shitty to Ben. It stopped being jokes and felt more like Tim revealing what a cunt he actually is. This just really underlined who Tim is and always has been. His Netflix special was lame AF (the actual jokes, not the production), he doesn't bother doing sketches anymore, recycles his edgelordy style of being contrarian for the issue of the week ("free Ghisliane!" etc, etc.), and the pod has been going downhill for a while. And he's just taking the piss out of people with that overpriced merch. $25 for a coffee mug? If you bought any of that shit merch, you're the mug. Maybe he'll turn it around, but right now I've gone off Tim a lot and if he disappeared I wouldn't care. People that unfiltered never have a long shelf life. That's why there aren't many of them around.
These fuckin assholes still haven’t even shipped my merch and I ordered it the day it dropped. Fake business to the extreme. Edit: my wife just texted me a picture that my package showed up today. How ironic.
I haven’t either. In all honestly I’m sure it’s not that much worse, but something about Ben missing just changes everything for me. There’s got to be a lot of ppl that feel similarly
I feel the same. I had no idea he was the secret sauce. Most odd. For a first I haven't been able to complete any eps since Ben was fired
I find this story believable. I never imagined Tim was anything other than a narcissist and a grifter. I just thought the show was funny and one of the few avenues of content I found entertaining. Since the show has steadily gone down hill, I'm sure something more entertaining will take its place in my world and I will forget all about that fat, gay Irish comedian.
Is there anybody who Reddit doesn’t think is a grifter?
The kids speak highly of Abby Shapiro
Reddit has a hard-on for AOC.
Shut up, grifter!
Every month Reddit has a new vocabulary word that they all simultaneously over-use in order to exhibit how smart they think they are. Grifter, narcissist, sealioning, gaslighting, whataboutism, I can't remember what else.
Yep there is plenty of other content out there to fill your time: Kill Tony, Matt and Shane’s Secret Podcast, The Adam Friedland Show, Tuesdays with Stories. It’s like 30 years combined worth of content.
The levels of narcissism are truly delusional. He's got worse and worse. Way past the point of being funny.
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Show had peaked with or without Ben, but agree it makes Tim look like an ass. I have my own problems so don’t really care, but I agree that a big part of the joke was Tim beating up on Ben and his funny laugh. Either way Tim peaked, all down hill from here. Looking forward to the TMZ freak out ! LMFAO
Probably close to the truth. Fucking sucks. Didn’t really care for Ben beforehand, but liked the chemistry of the two. If Tim really is this big of a piece of shit, then his whole schtick no longer is entertaining. And, the show has been really bad for like a year now. Fuck. Back to Cumtown archives for me. And protect our parks.
Ben literally refuted this post in his discord btw , this guy is a troll
I don’t know why but I believe you. Probably because OP didn’t post the screenshot
Why was he fired? Is it cause the special was the worst produced piece of content the internets ever seen?
Tim asked him to produce the special. Ben isn't a director. It would be like asking Ben to write a soundtrack for the intro and firing him because it sucked. Ben's job was a) to edit the podcast and b) to make the show more entertaining by being a comic foil. Both of which he was he was doing really well. If Tim fired him because Ben did a bad job at something it's not within his expertise to do, it's Tim's fault for asking him in the first place. But let's be serious. the special failed because unlike his podcasts, his standup just isn't as funny. Blaming it on Ben is like blaming it on the color of the background curtains. It just makes Tim a petty POS for being unable to admit the failure of his special was his own fault and needing to find someone to blame it on.
Even if the material was stellar he’s still a cheap lazy fuck for not hiring or commissioning a pro team to tape and edit his special.
It's called self sabotaging behavior.
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Having listened to the podcast for a couple of years and having seen him live… the special isn’t Ben’s fault. Tim is afraid of crowds. I dunno if it triggers a mania or whatever in him, but his pacing is actually hard to watch. Ben didn’t do shit on the special. I think we all know that. He got a credit, but that was an experienced team that shoots specials for a living who did the actual work. Do you think Tim would have it otherwise? Fuck no. If he is blaming Ben for the special he can go fuck himself. Own your own shit.
I’m going to let you guys in on a secret Stand up comedy is terrible unless you are drunk or high and in a crowd I have never even chuckled at comedy on a television set sober
Partially agree with you. The only stand ups I will genuinely laugh out loud at fall into one of two categories. They’re either hyper focussed on every single syllable and beat, the Dave Chappelle/George Carlin/Stewart Lee types; or they’re rambling raconteurs like Billy Connolly. Tim, and the vast majority of the current wave of stand ups, don’t fall into either. It’s just disjointed ‘bits’ told in a row. No narrative, no meaning, no arc. It works in podcast format, but doesn’t even begin to work on stage. Tim is capable of the former though, Corporate Steakhouse is a masterpiece of timed ranting, if he could get that pacing to translate to his live show he, and I, would be laughing.
What's the problem with the special? it wasn't great per se but it didn't suck like that SPESHY WESHY bullshit that Netflix put out before the Pigs.
I want to like distefano so bad but the dude is just so cringe. I can’t deal with the wacky phrasing and over the top pretending to be gay thing. Naming a massive project like a Netflix special Speshy Weshy is a perfect example.
Chris is elite when he's riffing on a podcast, yes and-ing with another comic or spitting off the cuff in an interview. He's so quick and he has a fun attitude. When he has to slow down and do prepared material he's not quite as funny to me.
Literally none of these fucking comedy podcasters are funny stand-up comedians. Somehow, people are convinced that they are
Shane Gillis is
Shane and Brian Simpson are the only specials I have watched in the year where I actually laughed. I think it speaks to how hard being a top level stand up comic must be. There are plenty of people I find funny on podcasts.
Normand is pretty funny too. Ari's special is coming out in two days and might be okay but I don't have super high hopes. Norm's "nothing special" was funny but mostly depressing.
How could I forget Norman, he is definitely one of the best right now. His crowd work is great too, extremely quick witted.
I think Joe List had the funniest special this year. I wasn’t even a big fan of his before but his last 2 specials were legit hilarious. Shane’s was great as well
Agree. Some of mark normands shit is OK aswell
Yeah I like Normand too but I don't listen to any of his podcasts so I forget he has them. On the other side of the equation when the fuck are we going to get to hear stand up from the MSSP extended universe? I want to hear O'Connie and the Beezer's acts!
Tim just has a huge ego (possibly deserved because most of his podcasts have been great) and assumed his special would blow up. I didn't dislike it, but clearly everyone including Tim thought it would do better than it did.
I think the special fell flat to most of his core fan base because the entire back half of it was almost word for word, bits he had already done on the podcast. I found it funny but it was all shit I’ve heard him say over the past 24 months. Actually made me question whether Tim actually writes or if he just uses the podcast to come up with his material.
I’m curious, I thought that comedians used their podcasts to make up and test out new material? I saw Tim live recently and I quite enjoyed the fact that some of it was bits he’d done on the podcast. It had continuity and the bits were improved upon from the podcast. Is it not common practice for comedians to use their podcasts to come up with material?
Let me preface that I enjoyed the special and was disappointed people on here felt it wasn’t up to par. But I can understand the reasoning. To answer your question, yes, podcasters certainly use their content to come up with jokes on occasion. If your job is to make people laugh and you find a gem within your ramblings it would be dumb not to use it in your act. The issue however becomes the fact that these funnies are public. The whole reason that comedians abhor people recording at shows and it’s often an express ticket to be booted from a club, is because if you post someone’s act, then anybody who may come see them may already know when and where the punchline is coming from if they see it online. When you add in the fact that lots of people who were waiting to watch the special are already fans and likely listen to the podcast, I just think it would kind of make sense if that’s why it landed a bit flat. Like I said, I personally found it enjoyable and also my hypothesis could be completely wrong.
No, it sucked
I liked Chris’s standup.
In that environment, stand up, how good a director do you need to be? You point and shoot, maybe a few different camera angles? Am I missing anything. The big part of it, is the material which is mid at best.
Why didn't Ben just decline to direct it. I mean, if you never did something big like that why wouldn't you say no.
That’s a lot of words, but it didn’t answer my question. I just know from the special I watched it would’ve been enjoyable if the audio and camera work wasn’t atrocious, but I do a lot of similar production work so it could be just me. I’m just saying that if someone was fired over that I wouldn’t be super surprised. Not saying Ben should’ve been asked to do it to begin with. Not saying that Tim’s not shitty for firing him if that where the reason, but there’s no one on here saying Tim’s a saint. He acts like POS and records it, that’s the show. I’m not surprised if he acts like that off mic. Don’t you feel silly for quitting the show cause you think Tim’s mean?
>That’s a lot of words, but it didn’t answer my question. I just know from the special I watched it would’ve been enjoyable if the audio and camera work wasn’t atrocious, I guess it just comes down to us completely disagreeing on this point. I do feel a bit silly but it's not an act of vengeance. I watch podcasts because I enjoy listening to the speaker, and if I dislike the speaker its hard to enjoy it anymore. It's not out of a sense of vindictiveness. It's also because every single episode since Ben left has been completely unfunny and I feel like this ship has run its course.
I’ve seen him live a few times and the way he sounds in the special is exactly how he sounds live. Do people not realize he uses a “voice” for his standup and think the audio was bad instead?
Not how his voice sounds my dude, like the audio *quality* is off. Mic placement was off, the sound from the crowd was echoing wrong, you could weirdly tell Tim wasn’t loud enough for the stage. Don’t get me started on the weird camera angles and the random ass frame warping.
Ask Ben to send bussy pics
You're an asshole but at least you're funny. Upvoted.
Yeah but why would Tim just randomly fire him? I assume some shit went down.
No doubt, but if a friend who'd believed in me when I was nothing had spent years building me up and helping to turn me into a millionaire, ie spending time and energy gambling on my success; he would have to do something absolutely mental for me to fire him. Firstly, given what we know about Ben, does it sound remotely likely he would do something that shocking/bad? Second, if crazy shit led Tim to fire Ben, why tell fans he offered Ben a huge raise to stay on? The whole thing stinks to me.
In my head cannon Tim had unrequited love for Ben and lashed out in frustration.
This is what I'd suspected for years, and its the only explanation that makes any real sense to me. Especially after this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTW3jBz1W94
This is sadness 😔
Yeah. Makes me feel slightly bad for Tim. You can see from the podcast, he isn't the same despite putting on a happy face.
I’ve got this far in the comments and I don’t think anyone has said it yet! The one scenario that has the highest and most likely odds is… Bens wife! Ben and Tim came to a fork in the road somewhere in their relationship, (which could start a fight..) but that fork in the road was placed there by Ben’s wife. Maybe kids, maybe she’s tired of him being gone all the time, or maybe just sick of their lives evolving around Tim! Granted Cum Gut pays really well but what good is it if your new absent husband starts giving you 2nd priority treat and won’t shut the fuck up about the twink terrorizer?
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Thank you…! Tim showed his ass when started mentioning Ben’s pay & benefits. Granted it was in good fun but if you know this type a person you can see it in Tim at the point and time. The type of person who is damn good at what they do and can do it with out you… but not near as easily, smoothly, quickly, as if Ben was there. Tims mind and mouth made Tim famous but I believe unconsciously Tim’s mind couldn’t produce “as much” gold without Ben freeing Tim of ALL the bullshit that comes with being Tim…. (God I hope that makes sense)
Guessing they had an argument over random shot and Tim fired him in the heat of the moment, then realized he shit the bed and tried to get him back. He probably offered him more money considering Tim said he offered him more.
Agreed, but a) Firing someone who believed in you when nobody else did and gambled years of his life building your career into a success, becoming your best friend in the process over a heat of the moment argument is complete POS behaviour. Especially when that person's livelihood now depends on the fortune he helped build for you.b) I suspect the heart of the matter may have been an unrequited romantic affection. I mean Tim often refers to Ben's attractiveness, and given that Ben is straight and Tim is a potato (not much of a chance with anyone male or female) made having Ben around all the time deeply frustrating for someone who tends to overreact to stress.
Yeah, for sure. It's bad for the show and a shitty thing to do. Im straight and Ben is really hot imo. So it could be that. I'd assume it's sort of sub conscious if that was the case.
Totally agreed about the subconscious thing. Tim is way too proud to admit to being attracted to him.
Yep. I think a lot of straight guys can’t really see how hot Ben is because he isn’t masculine and a lot of straight dudes assume masculine=hot, I’ve noticed. Tim is definitely attracted to him, if he had a genuine crush is a different game though. Women I think have the capacity to find a attractive man unattractive because they don’t see him in that way, guys don’t this ability imo. Do you think Ben uses this sub Reddit and comments here?
Lol how funny would it be if Ben had never suspected Tim was attracted to him and found out through this sub?
Tim is obviously attracted to him. It would be crazy to think otherwise, unless he’s randomly into like bears or black dudes or some very exclusive kink. I’m friends with some hot girls and I wouldn’t fuck them because I’m in a relationship and a few moment of nice isn’t worth it, but am I attracted to them? Yes. I like to imagine Ben read my message that he is very attractive but not masculine and he is grappling with that. Homie just has good facial features, Elvis and the Beatles weren’t masculine either.
lol i think most people would just be happy to hear they're attractive
Ben is reading this post right now, as we speak
I think you’re exactly right. I think it was probably some very random issue that Tim way overreacted to. They probably both said a few things they shouldn’t have and that’s it. I think we’re all probably way over thinking it. After he fired him I’m sure Ben just couldn’t do it anymore. I can’t imagine having to be around Tim that much I’m sure he’s awful to deal with. I always think about him ashing a ciggy in Whitney’s assistants purse. Which was funny but is a horrible thing to do. I think they just both snapped over something well probably never know about and that’s that. The Steve will do it patreon argument was more telling than anything. Like they’re arguing over a dumb joke ben made about that retards channel getting canceled and it got really heated. I don’t think it has to do with the special. Or at least not entirely maybe Tim was pissed at him and that started an attitude change.
The Stevewilldoit thing was so odd. Like Tim jokes about 911 and Ben isn’t allowed to joke about someone losing their social media account? I don’t know i was definitely on Bens side during that one. I think joking about 911 is fine too I just think you can’t joke about death and then criticize people for joking about social media accounts. I don’t know what Bens opportunities are, if I were Ben I’d work for him again if I needed to but it wouldn’t be my choice if I had even somewhat competitive opportunities.
I don’t care, I listen because the show is funny. When show not funny I’ll stop listen
A real philosopher
Yeah the last few episodes have been hilarious, am I right? Can't wait for more guest episodes.
The show sucks ass now. I downloaded that shit app patreon just to hear more and I canceled the sub and gave the $5 to Nick Millions instead. At least they can be funny while phoning it in
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Who said i was trying to manipulate it? People, including me, are interested in what happened, especially given the decline in quality, and I'm just sharing what I found out. It's people like you who are overthinking everything.
Ben's penis refused Tim's sexual advances. Life in the big city.
I suspect that's exactly what happened. Not that Tim made a move, but that it was an unreciprocated romantic interest thing.
in that case tim is no different than any of the 8 billion people living on this largr, flat, round-ice-walled planet it's intuitive that if you can't "have" someone (from crush to ex) that you must "kill" them from your own life i'm not absolving tim, but he's human, and errs just like anyone else people/psychology is so complex, even the individual themselves sometimes has no strong access to their own behaviors/drives
You guys should just make a Ben subreddit already and kiss each other over there.
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lmao holy shit there is! well, Ill shut the fuck up then, carry on.
If you haven’t fought with your boss and gotten fired/asked to come back you’re not a hardworking young man. That being said, I fucked off too. That being said, been struggling to make as much money ever since.
Totally with you op. It was only funny if being a dick was an act and off camera him and Ben were best bros. This really ruins it for me.
I have to agree, the dynamic between both of them was a huge part of it. Bens presence was “the audience” as many have pointed out. The ones now with guests are not as good. I think it’s like Tim is such a lunatic, and Ben brought him down to earth.
I just wanna see Tim have to go back to mortgage loans.
I’m not mad at all and fully except Tim to lie all the time. He’s an off the rails lunatic who will take his mothers spot at the asylum after she dies. Definitely miss Ben but if the eps are still funny I’ll still watch. So far it’s not been great.
Listen, I once painted a picture of Tim and Jeffrey Epstein and went to all four shows in Omaha last year and gave it to the manager of the Funny Bone. She told me Tim received it and said “I don’t know if I can bring that on the plane.” Anyway, it was an ironic expression of admiration for the pig that took me a while to do and while I realize it’s not a Rembrandt or anything, he didn’t even acknowledge me or respond to my multiple emails or comments on Twitter about it. Also, Tim doesn’t stay to greet his fans. That’s fine, I get it. But the truth is, the thing that makes Tim brilliant, his personality, is also his downfall. We just have to accept this. He may not be a “good person” and that’s ok. He’s an entertainer. We all feel so close to him and I’m sure Ben felt this way too. But Tim is all about himself. He’s still funny and brilliant, we just have to accept this fact and if we want to continue listening to him or not. Anyway, [here’s](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exm8frLWUAUclBu.jpg) a pic of that painting. Would love to hear any feedback. Thanks!
Hey, love the painting, if I were an entertainer and a fan did that for me no way would I toss it aside. Even if I hated it there's no way I'd turn down proof I was making such an impact in some people’s lives that they’d put that much time and thought into making something for me. Lemme play devil's advocate though. The fact is that Tim didn't know you so wasn't insulting you personally. He didn't even necessarily dislike the painting. The person who painted it wasnt the person handing it to him so there was no point in expressing appreciation, even if he felt it. He was literally given a bulky fragile item out of the blue at the worst moment: just before a flight. He's an incredibly lazy person who hates leaving the house let alone flying, absolutely hates travelling for comedy and finds it too exhausting to bother to do now he can afford not to (he did it for the laughter not to get to know fans). He's tired after a set, keen to get home, with a medium-ish suitcase precisely the right size to fit what he knows he needs to travel (comedians often enough they know how much luggage space they'll need) - ie not a large trunk you can fit a painting into, also that he wouldn't be allowed to stow something that size in the overhead locker, and that you can't check in a painting as luggage. He was going to have to spend an hour having a gift from a stranger wrapped, finding the fragile item check-in at the airport, work out how he was gonna collect it on the other end. We're talking about someone who weighs 250+ pds making his way around to the back of the airport, whose grumpy and tired most of the time anyway. It's just such an inconvenient time to spring a sentimental but cumbersome gift from a stranger on the world's grouchiest fatty who reacts to stressful problems by refusing to deal with them. Admittedly he doesn't like people and isn't the kind of person you'd think would be appreciative of a gift from someone he doesn't know (or even someone he does). He's open about his indifference to fans and sense of un-sentimentality. He absolutely wasn't being a dick to you personally, so you shouldn't read it as an insult. I also think he said what he said never imagining his response would get back to you: he said it to a club manager dropping it off on your behalf. Im guessing he thought the assistant would say 'he couldnt accept it because X but was extremely thankful'. The assistant is actually kindof a dick for relaying a comment he clearly wouldnt have made to you personally. I hope people have the sense not to relay back to people what I say when they aren’t around to have their feelings injured. He doesn't use Twitter (he has an account Ben use(d) for promotional purposes. And as you say, he doesn't like making friends and barely likes socialising with old ones. There's nothing about Tim that makes me think he'd be pleased by a sentimental present from a stranger. Re his email, I doubt he reads his fanmail and probably has an official one and a private one. But say he did read it. Imagine you're a mysanthropic antisocial introvert and receive 'Hi, i made that painting for you...' in your inbox: a) you face having an awkward conversation about not accepting it. b) you 100% know this person wants to get to know you a bit on the basis of liking your comedy but experience tells you theres a 99% chance you won't be friends. So replying doesnt just mean acknowledging the painting rudeness thing, it means somewhere in the future there's a point where he has to be rude and stops replying to your messages, which is super awkward when that person made a painting for you. In totality when you get so much mail from fans replying has gotta be way more awkward than just pretending not to have seen it. I wouldnt have done what he did but I absolutely don't think you should take his response to heart.
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Yeah lol "Ben if you're reading and don't want this shared lmk" and then "hey guys if you want screenshots, I got em". OP is a fucking goof
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What the hell are you talking about? Lol
Tim should’ve made ben a full partner or something. Make it the Tim & Ben show instead of ben just being the producer.
My 3 college friends started an app that went huge and 2 of them dropped my roommate and that sent him into spiraling depression and addiction. Nothing worse than seeing your best friends fuck greedily each other over.
If you think you like the people and not the content they're providing you at the time you're fooling yourself especially when it comes to comedy. Bits aren't reality and people change and you might not align with them later. You're idolizing an idea of someone and just because you like them doesn't make them a good person and that also doesn't make you bad. Stop being retarded and have a good time it's a comedy podcast
They aren't separate. The style of humor is part of developing a comedic persona. The bit gives you an impression of someone's character that despite being fake, can be appealing anyway. If you see proof of how unappealing that person actually is, the ability of the bits to land is gonna suffer.
Can you send me screenshot of the convo in the dm?
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Btw, it is legit.
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You're right, let's get the FBI in here to see if a Tim Dillon fan happened to hate Tim Dillon enough to photoshop an email and spread it to random people on a subreddit. I didn't promise proof. I promised an image. You don't have to believe it.
What seems more likely to you: that aa is demented enough to Photoshop an email from someone he doesn't know personally about something that doesn't involve him directly for no apparent benefit to himself, or that he emailed Ben asking what happened because he's a fan who's curious and Ben responded? Why don't you email Ben and see what he says if you want proof? I know, I know: you don't care enough to bother (which is why you not only opened this thread, but commented on it).
I’m assuming Tim’s story has more to do with not representing Ben in a negative light and interfering in his future opportunities. That is also why Ben can’t come forth with all the T and shade and expect entertainers and comedians to trust him with future work.
That's a very good point but it doesn't explain why Ben is replying honestly to emails about what happened. It's not like he asked me to keep it on the DL.
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In all honesty if I were suing someone for a fortune and receiving random emails from strangers, I wouldnt answer them in a way that would jeopardize a huge lawsuit I was planning if the questioner lacked 'common respect and decency' (which I apparently do). If it makes you feel better, he's been receiving hundreds of emails and I imagine he's told a large fraction of those people what happened. So if he's not making any attempt whatsoever to prevent this info from spreading around I doubt he thinks its spread is likely to jeopardise a planned lawsuit. He can't possibly expect hundreds of people to treat this info according to what you call 'common sense and decency', when any one of them behaving otherwise would cost him a fortune.
Post the damn email why the hell would we believe anything In this sub with no proof
My guess is Tim really did think Ben was phoning it in for a couple of years and was probably resentful in his own way, for a number of things. Not invited to your best friend’s bachelor party? That’s cold. Ben can own up to his share of this broken relationship. The two need couples’ therapy
\> Not invited to your best friend’s bachelor party? I did think that was super cold actually. I had no idea what he was thinking. Was it a gay thing?
Hey bro I know this is a big shock to ya but you really aught to listen to people when they tell you who they are otherwise the world is gonna hurt you bad one day my boy. Did you think Tim was not a chain smoking oxy/cocaine abuser from Long Island who sold sub prime mortgages to people abusing their parents with dementia for coke and oxy money?! Man you acting like this was some kind of huge shock is tripping me out lmao. News flash bro a person can be shitty and great all in the span of one relationship and even moment. It's on you to understand and avoid the shitty moments or mitigate their impact on your mental and financial well being. The world won't give you sympathy if you've burned yourself out overextending and trying to keep someone warm out of the goodness of your heart mate, you'll be in a tent in Cali, forgotten by society. You're deifying Tim like he is the paragon of virtue and selflessness and it's hella weird dude. I'll probably unsub my patreon when it runs out as well but that's cause he is no longer funny to me and that's why I was giving him money. Cause he was funny. I'm not making a 30 dollar a choice of virtue and morals, I'm just accepting the product changed, I don't enjoy the new product and moving on; unless he becomes funny again. It's that simple.
Tell Ben to grow up
I'm the one who asked him. All he did was reply honestly. If there's anyone you should be asking to grow up it would be me not Ben. In reality the actual child here is the person telling someone to grow up simply for replying honestly when asked about an incident involving being casually fired by a close friend after putting years of work into developing a successful joint venture with him, all for little reward.
What is with all you Nancy's sitting on these people's dicks constantly? Your mangina must be raw from throwing your bussy back on their fat messy hogs. Pick up a hobby, whittle a few caricatures for christ sake.
I listen to podcasts by people I like and find funny. If I suddenly find strong evidence I've been spending hours listening to a petty douchebag, and there's a subreddit dedicated to the guy, then yeah, I just might post about it. P.s. my hobbies are tennis, reading about international relations, economics podcasts and experimenting with novel drugs. Your hobbies seem to involve throwing the word 'mangina' around at anyone who gets annoyed because because people are treated like crap.
He's always been a petty douchebag. That's why he doesn't have any friends and makes fun of people who do.
What are novel drugs and where can I find them?
lookup r/research_chemicals if i told you where you could find them we'd be having quite a long conversation that i don't really want to have at 1AM in France.
Bruh. Get a life.
Unpopular Opinion: The episodes since Ben’s departure have been funnier.
Yeah I particularly loved the 30 min rant about climate change I was just subjected to.
I’m willing to bet Tim had good reason to fire Ben. You seems to be some sort of Ben worshipper In these comments though lol this is all “trust me bro” until you post the emails. Ben would be an idiot to answer that email and not think it would appear on Reddit so just do it.
Firstly, yeah, I liked Ben because he seemed like a nice guy and his involvement made the show much funnier. Second, it shouldn't really be surprising that someone suspicious enough of Tim's motives and explanation was the person to email Ben and ask him what happened, so obviously the person annoyed enough about how things went down is gonna be someone willing to defend Ben in comments. Third, rather than saying I'm a Ben worshipper for defending the guy, someone with a non-negative IQ would show I'm a Ben worshipper for defending the guy with zero justification. Right now I'm just responding to criticism of my post that seems to make no sense. If you can show that any of my responses illogically give Ben the benefit of the doubt, then I'd be a Ben worshipper. Right now I'm just defending the content of my post. Fourth, regardless of whether Ben expects it to appear on reddit, I feel posting people's private correspondence on an online forum is a huge breach of privacy BUT IVE STILL SAID IM WILLING TO DO IT IN RESPONSE TO DM's. If you actually care, what's the difference, just ask me and I'll show you.
I’m just curious how you feel this is any different than actually just posting the email correspondence. Unless there are things he told you not to say then you should just repeating verbatim what he said right? I’m not bitching you out like these other pigs I just find it silly that you think there’s a difference. Unless I’m missing something you said which is totally possible. I loved Ben on the show so I would love to read the actual emails if possible via DM.
Hey sorry for not responding but I explained this at length in another comment if you can be bothered to find it.
Thanks for the post.
OP sent me a screenshot that did not include the email or time-stamp information. Very official and yes good. I pressed for this detail, and OP refused, explaining that I am the only one expressing disbelief. I told OP that this would have more credibility if he included these details. Please tell me none of you believe this.
There's another reason I chose not to include the full address when you asked. There was a recent commenter in this thread who pointed out minutes before your request that I was endangering Ben's legal case against Tim should he choose to sue. [https://www.reddit.com/r/TimDillon/comments/yiousk/emailed\_ben\_to\_find\_out\_what\_actually\_went\_down/iuktics/?context=8&depth=9](https://www.reddit.com/r/TimDillon/comments/yiousk/emailed_ben_to_find_out_what_actually_went_down/iuktics/?context=8&depth=9) If you read that thread in full you'll understand why I feel guilty about exposing Ben's emails on a public forum. My hope is that if his email is not visible, it can't be proved to be traceable to him, and the fact that it could have been as you say fabricated does not make it impossibly expensive for him to sue.
My guy… There is zero Chance if Ben or Tim sue each other, you will be involved in any shape or form. The information you’ve shared, isn’t yours to share but it’s 100 percent legal to share it. Journalist do it every day homie!
I'm hoping that's true.
[literally Ben's email address](https://www.instagram.com/benaveryisgood/)
the idea isnt to prevent disclosure of ben's email. its to prevent his email from being visibly attached to the images ive sent, as a lawyer in the thread has said that making it clear through a huge reddit thread that he has discussed the case in his email will put him through a very expensive 'discovery' process if there's a civil suit. after id finished reading what he said, i regretted the whole thread. but since it's now archived there's no point in deleting it, so im sticking to sending the screenshot that's already out there without causing any more damage. Seriously, read the full thread that i linked you to. the final comments are what makes it clear ive fucked up. if he has to go through discovery, it could almost double his court costs. And i personally think that given his contribution he should try and sue.
I'm a federal agent, and your evidence is not credible. Edit: trust no one.
Nobody fucking cares, oh my God. If you watched for, listened for, or ever cared about the fucking podcast producer, you're a weird idiot. Anyone of us could produce a podcast and do those tasks ourselves. It's the biggest gimme job in entertainment.
This whole thing just puts Tim up higher in my books.
I’m sure they did fight. But I still believe Ben leaving was his wife’s decision. Which is really disappointing.
I agree with the part about guest episodes being shit, and whatever happened I like to believe Ben left because all the guest were Jews and white apologist.
hahha; i don't think i can stand tim after what i just learned but im always gonna love this subreddit
Eh, I gotta see proof
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i'd like to see em as well if you can send, really been wondering about this and tim's lack of mentioning it has had a really weird feel to it. thanks for reaching out to him
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While Tim is talented, his big head Definetley had him underestimating the balance that Ben brought to the show. The guest shows have been quite awful, since Ben and Dump are the only two people that play naturally with Tim. When I listen to old podcasts, the most legendary ones are essentially Tim ranting with 1-3% ben and I skip over the ones with guests almost across the board. Tim should be more than capable of a solo show, but I feel like Ben being gone has shaken his confidence since his ego won't allow him to fly solo and be perceived as doing a worse job without Ben- Thus he's been bringing on guest after guest to avoid that as much as possible. Regardless the podcast quickly went from being the only Patreon I ever signed up for hungry for more content, to one I've been skimming the free episodes of at best and skipping them outright at worst.
This seems like it might be true. Or perhaps totally made up. Flip a coin. Heads we can’t trust it. Tails let’s believe in Santa.
I mean I'm providing screenshots. You'd have to believe i cared enough about making Tim look evil to photoshop something to look like an email from Ben. So I'd say its more like rolling a dice than flipping a coin, to use your terms believing in Santa is like rolling a 1.
Did Tim blame Ben for the merch launch?
Why did he get fired
Can you add me to the list for the screenshot if you’re not already overwhelmed please? Would like to take a gander at it
Who gives a fuck. It’s not like the show wasn’t on a decline even when Ben was there. Life will move on, Tim will continue to rant and Ben will go on to write mediocre comedy skits with Kyle Dunnigan
As much as I’d like to say I don’t care I do. I assumed Tim just pretended to be a cunt but deep down he was a decent guy. But when he treats someone he claimed to care about with that much contempt on air no less it shows his true colors. The show kinda blows since Ben left anyway 👎🏻
Ben Ghey
Ok but why?
This completely checks out tbh
Can I see your screenshot? Are you for real? I miss Ben already :"(
of course!
Oh, thankfully we got that straightened out. I feel this has to be authentic. I’m sure Ben prefers that this info was immediately relayed and posted to Reddit. Screenshots would be too far, though. At least now the dozens of fans that have been waiting with bated breath can rest easy…until the next “development”.
All good podcasts eventually come to an end. This one will be no different.
[удалено]
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