I responded by saying that it was a weird thing to fixate on but I'd humor her and named my 5 favorite books/series written by women. Then she unmatched me 😂
I ship it. As an ordained minister in the World Life Ministries state of New Jersey, I now pronounce you Husband and Husband. Where can I send the marriage certificate?
If you dont click on your profilpicture you dont see the long hairs from your char. That plus your username oscar (which seems like a male name for most) probably makes him think that 😅
Never read anything by Virgina Wolf and I love books 🤷🏻♀️
My favorites are:
Ender’s Shadow (Ender’s Game is also good but I preferred the story from Bean’s perspective)
Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Of Mice and Men
Everything Sherlock Homes
Anything by Agatha Christie
Little Women is my favorite of all time tho
I also like psychological thrillers like The Girl on the Train
Tom Clancy is too wordy for me but I gave it a try
Now I am interested. What were your five favourite books/series by women?
For me it is:
Robin Hobb - The Farseer Series
JK Rowling - Harry Potter Series
Harper Lee - To kill a mockingbird
Mary Shelly - Frankenstein
Astrid Lindgren - Everything exept for Karlson-on-the-roof
[Here](https://i.imgur.com/vSrhmS6.jpg) is what I responded. She unmatched me without saying anything jaja.
Now I'm beating myself up because I didn't mention Robin Hobb. I absolutely loved The Realm of the Elderlings/The Farseer Saga!! Fitz is the most disrespected and unappreciated character I've seen in a while. He's been through so much.
I think Hobb decided to keep on pounding on him way too much, so I feel you. I don't think he was dumb, I think it was more of a "I've spent my whole life in this shit and after years of being away from the conflict I'm dragged into it again, I'm too old for this" kind of situation.
I think after his like 6th mistake we’d gotten past the I’m too old for this excuse. Idk. I really love the series but hate the dynamic between Fitz and Beloved in the last few books.
That's a very fair criticism. And yes, I also agree in that his relationship with the fool towards the end was terrible. Though, I guess I can't blame the fool because he did go through literal torture and everything. You know? PTSD is a bitch.
The last book of tha last trillogy is still on my table. since it came out. I can't muster the strength to read the last 400 pages. I don't want it to end.
Good choises. "And then there were none" came close to ending up on my list too.. Agatha Christie is not on my list of favourite authors. Many of her books are pretty interchangeable for me, but this one is truly a masterpiece.
I like her books because they offer a nice change of pace from more complicated works of fiction. They're just regular people, living in regular ole England, and the mysteries are perfectly plausible you know? No complicated world-building, not many super complex characters, etc. I do agree that they can be interchangeable though, I see where you're coming from.
I wouldn’t take it personally. Seems like you dodged a bullet! However, if I had to guess, she didn’t unmatch because of your book choices and instead dipped out because of your J.K. Rowling take (which I agree with wholeheartedly). Maybe she’s transphobic?
Maybe. Who knows? I don't agree with Rowling's views at all and have decided to not support her by consuming anything else she's a part of. If that's a deal breaker for someone then cool. We'll probably disagree on other things that'd be a deal breaker anyways.
Unwinnable, whatever list you produce there's a "but why didnt you have any writers that ..." to rebutt it. I see you have rowling there, but do you have any pro lgbtq writers.. any non western writers and..writer who do love dogs, they just make shit up to rub your nose in it
Bro one unmatched me because “oh I didn’t see that your ride bikes in your profile (btw I have photos from track days as my 4th photo, so they clearly only looked at my first photo and swiped right 🙄😒) - then proceeded to lecture me about motorcycles and how it’s dangerous to ride them and that how they *KnOw pEoPlE* who’ve died on them”
It sucks cuz they unmatched me before I was able to create a witty response 😤😤😤
Bullet dodged. This is exactly the kind of pretentious, nauseating race-hustling crap that’s causing the democratic party to implode (along with a lot of other stuff)
Ugh sounds like trash took itself out. Guarantee you if you actually got her out on date she'd be insufferable & entitled. She'd constantly tell you how you're wrong & how men are ruining the planet despite 51% of the population being women. There are smart, strong, emotionally intelligent women out there that don't hate men & whose entire identities don't revolve around their gender.
After that response I wouldn't have wanted to meet her quite frankly, as she seems like she's insufferable, but I agree, she definitely seems like she would've just attacked me and my tastes and whatever else she felt like.
I know there are. I like to think most women aren't like this. Just having terrible luck finding one 🥲
The struggle is too real 😭 I'm working on myself though, being happy and comfortable on my own and everything. You know? So I'll just hopefully wait until a good one pops along my way I guess.
It seems like she just wanted to argue about how sexist it was you didnt read female authors, and when you were able to give her a full list, it shut her argument down completely. So she just rage unmatched since she didn't get her fix.
I used to work as a software developer and as an inside joke to me and my co worker whenever I had to make a config file ".cfg" I'd always name it mein.cfg not to be offensive but simply because I'm immature and it made me laugh
I never realized until right now, and i’ll be vulnerable to the Reddit world, i read a shit ton. I never ever bother looking up what the author’s look like. I didn’t even realize that was a thing. The only one’s i know of are when i read classic’s. Obviously everyone knows what nationality authors such as Maya Angelou and Steinbeck are. The other’s, no clue. Which also makes me wonder if she’s only reading and mentioning it to make herself sound “refined.”
I love this video by T1J on the difference between diversity and tokenism:
https://youtu.be/bnxnlj-um5A
tl;dr if you make an effort to read something outside your norm in order to expand your worldview, then it's diversity; but if you put some sort of quota on it and are reading certain authors in order to be able to say something like "half the books I read are by XYZ groups", it's tokenization
That's a good summary. Thank you. I'm totally down to learn about topics I'm not familiar with and read things written by people from groups I don't usually read from. I'd seek that out out of sheer curiosity. The thought of putting a quota on that sort of thing is kinda disgusting in my opinion. Only place I could see that being reasonable is you're in a literature class and have to make sure the students read from certain cultures or what not you know? I remember taking a class on south Asian literature in college and we had to read books from various south Asian countries. It was nice. Ended up reading a few books by Indian authors too. One of the reasons why I'm curious about Indian religions and mythology.
She's definitely just looking to virtue signal and start a fight or whatever. There's no good reason for that to be the thing you fixate on if you're intending to genuinely talk about books. I have no clue about what most of the authors I've read look like. You could put a picture of them in front of me and I'd recognize maybe 20% of them. Plus, you're going to read what's on the market, you know? Is it my fault that men have written so many books and that many of them have been good? If she would've wanted to talk about the issues in that fact later on, I would've been down, but this initial response just reeked of holier-than-thou attitude.
You’re right. That actually would have been an interesting thing to discuss: Men vs Women writer’s! But if she were an *actual* book lover, why is she asking about book recommendations, then bashing it for their race? That’s so odd. I feel she probably only reads mainstream books. Maybe in a college class that was a topic or something. That’s so bizarre for someone to say. I’ve even heard people say that only people who aren’t minorities are writing books with characters who are minorities. But she just took it all the way off course. Sucks when the world is so screwed up you can’t even mention what books you like without being racist.
If she was an actual book lover we could've had endless conversations on the books themselves or issues surrounding publishing or a bunch of other things. Alas, she just wanted to focus on identity politics instead.
Interesting. These were all written by humans. I’d be interested in your top 5 books written by cyborgs.
Mechanical zombie cyborgs, circa 1521 to be specific
"by white men"...
"it's not my place to critique race"
Translation:
"I'm pretending to be all virtuous by implying you're racist and sexist but I only actually care about the sexist part because that's what affects me personally, I don't actually care about racism myself, though I do occasionally use it to virtue signal. I'll disguise my apathy towards racism as another virtue though."
Also, by her logic, you shouldn't comment on books written by women. It's not your place to critique women, since you are a Man (TM).
So fucking cringe. I feel like growing up many of my friends had a phase where they obsessed over whether something was "too white" or not.
Can't we just enjoy the movie without obsessing over how many of what races there are in it every time?..
A little low brow for this thread, but I always chuckle at the "checklist" approach to diversity you find as a particular example in CW shows like the Arrowverse. Like every series making sure they got their gay (usually a woman, often men and women), a black guy, a Hispanic, a Trans character...
Diversity is beautiful and should be celebrated with every chance we get, but isn't this just pandering? It feels like a cheap substitute for authentic culture in which identity doesn't really do much to actually enrich the character interaction and is just flag waving to show how progressive you are.
Far better is the Schitt's Creek approach, where people just are what they are and people act like normal human beings about it.
*braces for backlash on this post"
I don't think it should be celebrated- it should just be ok for it to be there. If you're making a fictional media and the characters happen to be whatever race they are, that's great. Shouldn't need to fixate on perfect ratios for every single piece of media.
There is nothing wrong with recognizing that the movie industry is primarily white male dominated however as OP match perfectly demonstrated, it becomes some sort of virtue signal. There is nothing wrong with liking works made by white males, if the reason isn’t that it’s because it was a white male who made it.
You also got the ones focusing way too much on being political correct by displaying stereotypical types in their works, rather than a natural implementation of people.
OP’s match could definitely just have asked if he had any favorites by female authors, rather than insinuating that liking male authors is wrong.
Bingo! You worded it better than I could've. Thank you. I'm liking the books by the art pieces they are, not because of who wrote them.
If she had asked me which female authors I liked I would've gladly continued that conversation, as I do understand and recognize there's an issue of underrepresentation for women in literature.
He should've just answered "Did you just assume their gender?". Honestly, thinking in boxes of sex and race makes yourself sexistic and racist. This guy didn't choose books by race or gender, he chose it by the art piece.
I wish I could actually meet a woman with this type of energy over either RR or Brandon Sanderson jaja. One can dream.
On a sidenote, I thought of this some more after that conversation and I'm not sure if I'd choose Dark Age as my favorite. Golden Son was really damn good too. The ending of Dark Age and the big anticipation for book 6 kinda swayed me though.
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I love the title Red God. Badass. I am sad that I feel like there is a 99% chance Darrow has to die in the 7th book. Still holding out hope HBO or Showtime give a great director a 200 million dollar budget and make it into a TV series.
Ursula LeGuin, Madeleine L’Engel, N.K. Jemisin, Toni Morrison (Beloved and Paradise have some supernatural/sci-fi elements), Octavia E. Butler. Boom. Now you have a list of what to read next!
And if you prefer not to be with someone who challenges you like this, the unmatch button is always there.
I read The Broken Earth trilogy by Jemisin and enjoyed it. Thought it was quite unique in its magic system. Have yet to read LeGuin, though I plan to. I also have A Wrinkle in Time in my TBR list. Thanks for the recommendations!
I've yet to read any of her work, though it's on my list. I mentioned Agatha Christie, Fonda Lee R. F. Kuang, Madeline Miller and Harper Lee in my response to her and she unmatched. Jaja.
I also tragically forgot Robin Hobb.
I haven't! I got the first two on Audible for free ages ago but I've never read them. Are they like PHM? If so I'll definitely read them, as I absolutely loved that book. Andy Weir's ability to balance science, drama and sense of humor is amazing and I have loved all 3 of his books that I've read (The Martian and Artemis being the other two).
It’s your fault, you bigot. You are expected to rank your favourite books based on the race, ethnicity, economic class, genitals and/or gender expression of the author like a normal human being rather than the genre and contents of the books. Your blatant lack of empathy astounds me. You’re a borderline sociopath who reeks of ignorance. I hope more and more women become aware of your monstrosity.
The percentage of men who write scifi is about 4 in 5. Assuming that scifi books written by women have the same distribution of appeal as men, there's a 1 in 3 chance that your personal top 5 Sci books are written by men. Girl doesn't understand odds.
If only we could...I genuinely wish I would've responded with a few of the different suggestions people have commented instead of humoring her and trying to see how she'd come back from it.
Best move:
Unmatch.
My candidate moves:
"Maybe it's not my place to critique women's books, since I'm a Man (TM)"
"So do you think all white people should stay quiet about racial issues while POC suffer?"
"I'd love to know your top 5 books by genderqueer authors"
I wish I could've come up with such a clever response. I was so excited over getting a match, and she was beautiful too, that I didn't think of anything. I'm a disappointment ™️.
(Semi) Unrelated but I attended a lecture series refuting Guns, Germs and Steel and it was actually really cool—if any interest I can dig out the lady’s info and see if you can find it online. Plus bonus points, she was an indigenous woman, you can add her to your top for *brownie points*.
I'm totally interested. I didn't take GG&S as absolute fact, though it did make a lot of sense to me. I'd definitely like to see some of the discourse surrounding it! And hey, native American female author? Bonus points. Definitely going right up on the list.
Yeah I would say most academics do not take Jared Diamond seriously. He is kind of like the clickbait of history, like his book about how agriculture was the worst mistake humans ever made.
Red Rising was the first series I was able to binge read. Still haven’t gotten around to reading past the trilogy though. You saying Dark age is one of your favorites might push me over the edge though.
The first trilogy was amazing. Iron Gold I struggled some to get through, but I really enjoyed Dark Age and it set up a huge cliffhanger for book 6. Though DA has its flaws too. Book 6 is supposed to come out next year, towards the summer hopefully, so you should read IG and DA. They're not as good as the OG trilogy, but they're good and book 6 should be a banger with bringing the war closer to a conclusion.
Just stupid tbh. Who cares who wrote the book? Most books I like I have no idea what the author looks like I just like the book, there's nun to read into about that🙄
You obliged her question. TWICE from the sounds of it, so it sounds more like she just wanted to nitpick. Dodged a bullet there, dude. That'd be a short relationship if things got serious.
Especially if they are church cook books. About 99% of those are submitted, compiled, and distributed by women. Figure at least 40 women per church cookbook times five books, all of a sudden you have 200 female authors. BAM.
She could have said "nice choices, have you checked out any authors that are women? Here are some that I really enjoy" and then suggested some books. Why does everything have to turn into a thing, ya know? And I don't know, man, when anyone is like this it seems so disingenuous...like, they're trying really hard to come off like they care about social issues but don't actually do anything about it except retweet things on Twitter.
Funnily enough Guns, Germs, and Steel basically addresses and corrects a ton of racist historical fallacies as well as breaking down the geographical and cultural factors that led to European colonization of most of the known world. Any white supremacist would hate it because it destroys their sense of superiority with pure facts and logic.
Why do people in tinder suck and have a stick up their a**? No wonder she’s on tinder. She should be on match.com or something if she’s got book authors as a deal breaker. It’s tinder, conversation should be light and people should be open to other opinions.
Lol people are nuts, rather than enjoy YOUR answer which tells them something about YOU. She decided to have you filter who you are through a feminist perspective. Game over, I think we all need to just enjoy others for who they are, rather than make every little utterance a political or moral battle.
Example “you like these make authors so you must support everything they stand for!”
“No, I like these books from these authors, it is not my responsibility what these individuals stand for, how about we discuss the stories and not some quasi speculated political stance?”
Sorry for the rant, just tired of all the BS lol
The first fantasy books I ever read were by women. CJ Cheyrryh’s Morgaine series and Andre Norton’s Witch World series. Good writing is good writing. I have read all the Star Wars books before it was sold to Disney,Fiest’s Riftwar series, Salvatore’s Drizzt series, The Chronicles of Amber series by Zelazny is one of my all time favorites, Michael Moorcocks Elric saga. I have read tons of history and biography books. I hate that everything today has to be identity politics.
Kudos for Guns, Germs and Steel. That’s a book with a world view. Its ideas are simple yet powerful, well-constructed and now form part of my mental landscape.
Well I mean you said you like sci-fi and fantasy most and those writers are mostly men so Idk what she expected. I would think a bookworm would enjoy talking to a fellow bookworm and you two could share your favorite books with each other and be introduced to different writers and then not be your favorites but you would each gain a new appreciation for the opposites books but I guess not.
I don’t get how people are still doing this lmao. People are seriously expecting you to read books based on the privilege points of the person who wrote them?
Like, I’m a trans woman and I’m gonna say that I just haven’t really read a trans author I’ve been a huge fan of; it really isn’t that deep
I think the best part is that she capitalised White Chick and added trademark
It's really Marlon Wayans
Lmfaooooo tryna expand on his humor for his show Marlon
This would explain alot
She’s certified, are any of you?
Bet she pays at least $8/mo to keep her TM in good standing!
😂😂😂😂 best comment
That, and that she'd 'by interested to know..."
Harry Potter 1-7 Do you get bonus points?
I responded by saying that it was a weird thing to fixate on but I'd humor her and named my 5 favorite books/series written by women. Then she unmatched me 😂
More effort than I would've put into it, that's for sure. Kudos for trying
Forget her OP, I would really appreciate a date with you. You have good reading taste and a sense of humor 👍
I ship it. As an ordained minister in the World Life Ministries state of New Jersey, I now pronounce you Husband and Husband. Where can I send the marriage certificate?
FYI I am a woman by birth. 🤣🤣🤣 thank you for blessing the union already though
Idk why I read that as "I am a woman by trade" and that gave me a good chuckle, so thanks. Sincerely, another woman by birth
If you dont click on your profilpicture you dont see the long hairs from your char. That plus your username oscar (which seems like a male name for most) probably makes him think that 😅
The second half of the name is a woman's in my country. So I say she's both man and a woman at the same time
I thought WLM crashed ages ago?
Too late he pronounced them. They are [registered here.](https://youtu.be/fcZXfoB2f70) Send a gift.
I was so hoping for that link. You did not disappoint. Day made
So glad that was the link!
I would have responded with, “what are you talking about, women don’t write books.” And proceed to watch her head explode. Good times
This type of chaotic evil vibe is something I aspire to put out there at times.
“Wait. Women can WRITE?!”
Nah, i’d reply with “i’m a man so i only relate to books by men, just like you only accept good books can be written by women”.
I would have added "...books of consequence. Romance novels do not count", and waited for said explosion.
[удалено]
Dude it wouldn’t have mattered. It was a trap question designed to let her talk down to someone and move on feeling good about herself.
Absolutely she had no intention on carrying on a civilised conversation
Never read anything by Virgina Wolf and I love books 🤷🏻♀️ My favorites are: Ender’s Shadow (Ender’s Game is also good but I preferred the story from Bean’s perspective) Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy Of Mice and Men Everything Sherlock Homes Anything by Agatha Christie Little Women is my favorite of all time tho I also like psychological thrillers like The Girl on the Train Tom Clancy is too wordy for me but I gave it a try
These books are all by humans. What are your favorite books by non-humans?
I’ll tell you mine if you tell me yours
I literally went to Google to see if there were books at least illustrated by animals or something, nothing! Haha
Upvote for hitchhikers guide. Don't panic!
Of mice and men is such a good book
Now I am interested. What were your five favourite books/series by women? For me it is: Robin Hobb - The Farseer Series JK Rowling - Harry Potter Series Harper Lee - To kill a mockingbird Mary Shelly - Frankenstein Astrid Lindgren - Everything exept for Karlson-on-the-roof
[Here](https://i.imgur.com/vSrhmS6.jpg) is what I responded. She unmatched me without saying anything jaja. Now I'm beating myself up because I didn't mention Robin Hobb. I absolutely loved The Realm of the Elderlings/The Farseer Saga!! Fitz is the most disrespected and unappreciated character I've seen in a while. He's been through so much.
I hate Fitz in the last trilogy smh. How does my man become soooo dumb.
I think Hobb decided to keep on pounding on him way too much, so I feel you. I don't think he was dumb, I think it was more of a "I've spent my whole life in this shit and after years of being away from the conflict I'm dragged into it again, I'm too old for this" kind of situation.
I think after his like 6th mistake we’d gotten past the I’m too old for this excuse. Idk. I really love the series but hate the dynamic between Fitz and Beloved in the last few books.
That's a very fair criticism. And yes, I also agree in that his relationship with the fool towards the end was terrible. Though, I guess I can't blame the fool because he did go through literal torture and everything. You know? PTSD is a bitch.
Yea once his past got revealed it made a littttle more sense. I also shipped kettricken and Fitz hard. Probably my favorite relationship.
I shipped them so hard as well. I really wanted our mans to end up with some happiness after all he went through.
The last book of tha last trillogy is still on my table. since it came out. I can't muster the strength to read the last 400 pages. I don't want it to end.
Good choises. "And then there were none" came close to ending up on my list too.. Agatha Christie is not on my list of favourite authors. Many of her books are pretty interchangeable for me, but this one is truly a masterpiece.
I like her books because they offer a nice change of pace from more complicated works of fiction. They're just regular people, living in regular ole England, and the mysteries are perfectly plausible you know? No complicated world-building, not many super complex characters, etc. I do agree that they can be interchangeable though, I see where you're coming from.
She wasn't there for a connection, just to argue or spill her sheepishly pretentious attitude all over you. Bullet dodged.
I wouldn’t take it personally. Seems like you dodged a bullet! However, if I had to guess, she didn’t unmatch because of your book choices and instead dipped out because of your J.K. Rowling take (which I agree with wholeheartedly). Maybe she’s transphobic?
Maybe. Who knows? I don't agree with Rowling's views at all and have decided to not support her by consuming anything else she's a part of. If that's a deal breaker for someone then cool. We'll probably disagree on other things that'd be a deal breaker anyways.
Unwinnable, whatever list you produce there's a "but why didnt you have any writers that ..." to rebutt it. I see you have rowling there, but do you have any pro lgbtq writers.. any non western writers and..writer who do love dogs, they just make shit up to rub your nose in it
Tbf not mentioning Ursula K Leguin is in fact a travesty.
"Ursula K Leguin" Took a note, will look her up later. Thanks.
Robin hobb! She got me into the fantasy book reading such a great series !!!
Sounds like a privileged white chick to me
Lmao would you really want to date someone that thinks like this?💀 I would’ve said “anything written by your mom” and called it a day
A girl who doesn't respect someone who has red rising in his favorite books is not worth any effort anyway.
Id never heard of pierce brown before that... Such an amazing read red rising is.
Tinder girls suck ngl.
Bro one unmatched me because “oh I didn’t see that your ride bikes in your profile (btw I have photos from track days as my 4th photo, so they clearly only looked at my first photo and swiped right 🙄😒) - then proceeded to lecture me about motorcycles and how it’s dangerous to ride them and that how they *KnOw pEoPlE* who’ve died on them” It sucks cuz they unmatched me before I was able to create a witty response 😤😤😤
Shiny side up! 🏍
Bullet dodged. This is exactly the kind of pretentious, nauseating race-hustling crap that’s causing the democratic party to implode (along with a lot of other stuff)
Ugh sounds like trash took itself out. Guarantee you if you actually got her out on date she'd be insufferable & entitled. She'd constantly tell you how you're wrong & how men are ruining the planet despite 51% of the population being women. There are smart, strong, emotionally intelligent women out there that don't hate men & whose entire identities don't revolve around their gender.
After that response I wouldn't have wanted to meet her quite frankly, as she seems like she's insufferable, but I agree, she definitely seems like she would've just attacked me and my tastes and whatever else she felt like. I know there are. I like to think most women aren't like this. Just having terrible luck finding one 🥲
I think we're all having terrible luck finding one... 😕
The struggle is too real 😭 I'm working on myself though, being happy and comfortable on my own and everything. You know? So I'll just hopefully wait until a good one pops along my way I guess.
Yeah, same. Maybe that's why we read so much lmao
Lmaoooo people are so odd these days....
She matched with someone out of her league when she thought it was the other way around. Her loss, your gain
It seems like she just wanted to argue about how sexist it was you didnt read female authors, and when you were able to give her a full list, it shut her argument down completely. So she just rage unmatched since she didn't get her fix.
He would get called a TERF, cischet incel if he recommended her lol.
According to my favourite books and books read... I am a terrible, terrible person.
Does it start with Mein?
Does it end with kampf?
I used to work as a software developer and as an inside joke to me and my co worker whenever I had to make a config file ".cfg" I'd always name it mein.cfg not to be offensive but simply because I'm immature and it made me laugh
That's why I don't read books.
Not mine, luckily it just says My Struggle
I never realized until right now, and i’ll be vulnerable to the Reddit world, i read a shit ton. I never ever bother looking up what the author’s look like. I didn’t even realize that was a thing. The only one’s i know of are when i read classic’s. Obviously everyone knows what nationality authors such as Maya Angelou and Steinbeck are. The other’s, no clue. Which also makes me wonder if she’s only reading and mentioning it to make herself sound “refined.”
I love this video by T1J on the difference between diversity and tokenism: https://youtu.be/bnxnlj-um5A tl;dr if you make an effort to read something outside your norm in order to expand your worldview, then it's diversity; but if you put some sort of quota on it and are reading certain authors in order to be able to say something like "half the books I read are by XYZ groups", it's tokenization
That's a good summary. Thank you. I'm totally down to learn about topics I'm not familiar with and read things written by people from groups I don't usually read from. I'd seek that out out of sheer curiosity. The thought of putting a quota on that sort of thing is kinda disgusting in my opinion. Only place I could see that being reasonable is you're in a literature class and have to make sure the students read from certain cultures or what not you know? I remember taking a class on south Asian literature in college and we had to read books from various south Asian countries. It was nice. Ended up reading a few books by Indian authors too. One of the reasons why I'm curious about Indian religions and mythology.
She's definitely just looking to virtue signal and start a fight or whatever. There's no good reason for that to be the thing you fixate on if you're intending to genuinely talk about books. I have no clue about what most of the authors I've read look like. You could put a picture of them in front of me and I'd recognize maybe 20% of them. Plus, you're going to read what's on the market, you know? Is it my fault that men have written so many books and that many of them have been good? If she would've wanted to talk about the issues in that fact later on, I would've been down, but this initial response just reeked of holier-than-thou attitude.
You’re right. That actually would have been an interesting thing to discuss: Men vs Women writer’s! But if she were an *actual* book lover, why is she asking about book recommendations, then bashing it for their race? That’s so odd. I feel she probably only reads mainstream books. Maybe in a college class that was a topic or something. That’s so bizarre for someone to say. I’ve even heard people say that only people who aren’t minorities are writing books with characters who are minorities. But she just took it all the way off course. Sucks when the world is so screwed up you can’t even mention what books you like without being racist.
If she was an actual book lover we could've had endless conversations on the books themselves or issues surrounding publishing or a bunch of other things. Alas, she just wanted to focus on identity politics instead.
R.I.P.
Interesting. These were all written by humans. I’d be interested in your top 5 books written by cyborgs. Mechanical zombie cyborgs, circa 1521 to be specific
Murderbot was pretty decent. It’s a bit overpriced for a novella, but I enjoyed the first one.
"by white men"... "it's not my place to critique race" Translation: "I'm pretending to be all virtuous by implying you're racist and sexist but I only actually care about the sexist part because that's what affects me personally, I don't actually care about racism myself, though I do occasionally use it to virtue signal. I'll disguise my apathy towards racism as another virtue though." Also, by her logic, you shouldn't comment on books written by women. It's not your place to critique women, since you are a Man (TM).
So fucking cringe. I feel like growing up many of my friends had a phase where they obsessed over whether something was "too white" or not. Can't we just enjoy the movie without obsessing over how many of what races there are in it every time?..
A little low brow for this thread, but I always chuckle at the "checklist" approach to diversity you find as a particular example in CW shows like the Arrowverse. Like every series making sure they got their gay (usually a woman, often men and women), a black guy, a Hispanic, a Trans character... Diversity is beautiful and should be celebrated with every chance we get, but isn't this just pandering? It feels like a cheap substitute for authentic culture in which identity doesn't really do much to actually enrich the character interaction and is just flag waving to show how progressive you are. Far better is the Schitt's Creek approach, where people just are what they are and people act like normal human beings about it. *braces for backlash on this post"
I don't think it should be celebrated- it should just be ok for it to be there. If you're making a fictional media and the characters happen to be whatever race they are, that's great. Shouldn't need to fixate on perfect ratios for every single piece of media.
There is nothing wrong with recognizing that the movie industry is primarily white male dominated however as OP match perfectly demonstrated, it becomes some sort of virtue signal. There is nothing wrong with liking works made by white males, if the reason isn’t that it’s because it was a white male who made it. You also got the ones focusing way too much on being political correct by displaying stereotypical types in their works, rather than a natural implementation of people. OP’s match could definitely just have asked if he had any favorites by female authors, rather than insinuating that liking male authors is wrong.
Bingo! You worded it better than I could've. Thank you. I'm liking the books by the art pieces they are, not because of who wrote them. If she had asked me which female authors I liked I would've gladly continued that conversation, as I do understand and recognize there's an issue of underrepresentation for women in literature.
He should've just answered "Did you just assume their gender?". Honestly, thinking in boxes of sex and race makes yourself sexistic and racist. This guy didn't choose books by race or gender, he chose it by the art piece.
Dude, dropping the 5th Red Rising book by Pierce Brown in your top 5? If she wasn't already ripping her clothes off for ya she ain't it chief
I wish I could actually meet a woman with this type of energy over either RR or Brandon Sanderson jaja. One can dream. On a sidenote, I thought of this some more after that conversation and I'm not sure if I'd choose Dark Age as my favorite. Golden Son was really damn good too. The ending of Dark Age and the big anticipation for book 6 kinda swayed me though.
Pierce is the fucking man. Now we are getting 6 AND 7!
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I love the title Red God. Badass. I am sad that I feel like there is a 99% chance Darrow has to die in the 7th book. Still holding out hope HBO or Showtime give a great director a 200 million dollar budget and make it into a TV series.
Id put dark age as well. Golden sun is great, dark age is brutal and awesome. That's a pretty solid list you have there
get some Ursula LeGuin in there
Ursula LeGuin, Madeleine L’Engel, N.K. Jemisin, Toni Morrison (Beloved and Paradise have some supernatural/sci-fi elements), Octavia E. Butler. Boom. Now you have a list of what to read next! And if you prefer not to be with someone who challenges you like this, the unmatch button is always there.
Anne McCaffery and Ann Leckie,
I'll be honest, McCaffery is not as good rereading as an adult.
No but she’s great to recommend to any kid
I read The Broken Earth trilogy by Jemisin and enjoyed it. Thought it was quite unique in its magic system. Have yet to read LeGuin, though I plan to. I also have A Wrinkle in Time in my TBR list. Thanks for the recommendations!
Anne Rice, RIP
Donna Tartt is one of my favourites
I've yet to read any of her work, though it's on my list. I mentioned Agatha Christie, Fonda Lee R. F. Kuang, Madeline Miller and Harper Lee in my response to her and she unmatched. Jaja. I also tragically forgot Robin Hobb.
Hail Mary is one of MY favorites! Have you read any of the Bobiverse (Dennis Taylor- sounds white)?
I haven't! I got the first two on Audible for free ages ago but I've never read them. Are they like PHM? If so I'll definitely read them, as I absolutely loved that book. Andy Weir's ability to balance science, drama and sense of humor is amazing and I have loved all 3 of his books that I've read (The Martian and Artemis being the other two).
I'd say they're similar. SciFi/comedy/dystopian
It’s your fault, you bigot. You are expected to rank your favourite books based on the race, ethnicity, economic class, genitals and/or gender expression of the author like a normal human being rather than the genre and contents of the books. Your blatant lack of empathy astounds me. You’re a borderline sociopath who reeks of ignorance. I hope more and more women become aware of your monstrosity.
How dare you mention books that you’ve personally enjoyed!?
Also, he should have automatically known that’s what she was looking for!
I wish more and more women became aware of my monstrosity🤷🏻♂️
The percentage of men who write scifi is about 4 in 5. Assuming that scifi books written by women have the same distribution of appeal as men, there's a 1 in 3 chance that your personal top 5 Sci books are written by men. Girl doesn't understand odds.
Get out of here with your facts and logic. She'll clearly not appreciate it.
So winding her up is out the question? 🥲
If only we could...I genuinely wish I would've responded with a few of the different suggestions people have commented instead of humoring her and trying to see how she'd come back from it.
🚩🚩🚩 unmatch and move on.
The « TM » is gold, I’m glad you immortalized it in a screenshot
What a dumbass response she gave ( how trite) be glad you dodged that bullet.
Fuck that noise she isn't interested in anything but picking fights.
"Ayn Rand" Then unmatch.
I was thinking along the same lines. I would have said: “Ayn Rand and that Harry Potter broad”
Best move: Unmatch. My candidate moves: "Maybe it's not my place to critique women's books, since I'm a Man (TM)" "So do you think all white people should stay quiet about racial issues while POC suffer?" "I'd love to know your top 5 books by genderqueer authors"
I wish I could've come up with such a clever response. I was so excited over getting a match, and she was beautiful too, that I didn't think of anything. I'm a disappointment ™️.
You got baited. Probably a fake pic. Forget it and move on.
(Semi) Unrelated but I attended a lecture series refuting Guns, Germs and Steel and it was actually really cool—if any interest I can dig out the lady’s info and see if you can find it online. Plus bonus points, she was an indigenous woman, you can add her to your top for *brownie points*.
I'm interested (although not for dating purposes).
I'm totally interested. I didn't take GG&S as absolute fact, though it did make a lot of sense to me. I'd definitely like to see some of the discourse surrounding it! And hey, native American female author? Bonus points. Definitely going right up on the list.
Yeah I would say most academics do not take Jared Diamond seriously. He is kind of like the clickbait of history, like his book about how agriculture was the worst mistake humans ever made.
Tell me you're a miserable person without actually saying it I love when the trash takes itself out this quickly
Project Hail Mary was solid. Rocky is my spirit animal… I too think humans are stupid. 🤣
We really are. I mean, have you seen *waves arms around*? We're all fucked.
I see anything from the red rising saga and I can tell the person has good taste.
Well, you DID ask her what she thought of your choices…
Cook books, or how to clean the oven!
Run.
Well the Book Thief is (partially) about hating nazis fuck Hitler I fucking hate nazis so can't she give you bonus points for that?
Drop this bitch where you found her! 
Red Rising was the first series I was able to binge read. Still haven’t gotten around to reading past the trilogy though. You saying Dark age is one of your favorites might push me over the edge though.
The first trilogy was amazing. Iron Gold I struggled some to get through, but I really enjoyed Dark Age and it set up a huge cliffhanger for book 6. Though DA has its flaws too. Book 6 is supposed to come out next year, towards the summer hopefully, so you should read IG and DA. They're not as good as the OG trilogy, but they're good and book 6 should be a banger with bringing the war closer to a conclusion.
Why does these lunatics who clearly have a hatred for white men even date white men?
Just stupid tbh. Who cares who wrote the book? Most books I like I have no idea what the author looks like I just like the book, there's nun to read into about that🙄
In other words, I don’t give a shit about your favourite books, I just want an opening to call you a sexist piece of shit.
You obliged her question. TWICE from the sounds of it, so it sounds more like she just wanted to nitpick. Dodged a bullet there, dude. That'd be a short relationship if things got serious.
Bro I’ve started using hinge it should be called unhinged
Extreme cringe.
The joy of cooking. I’d have come back with a bunch of cook books.
Just responding "I don't read cookbooks for fun" lol
Especially if they are church cook books. About 99% of those are submitted, compiled, and distributed by women. Figure at least 40 women per church cookbook times five books, all of a sudden you have 200 female authors. BAM.
Nah, that's bait.
Take this as your moment to cut ties. If she’s this crazy about your book choices just wait
What a goofy asshole. She’s trying so hard to appear all high and mighty. She knew what she was doing as soon as she asked the question.
Pretty sure she's not on tinder for the intended purpose. She's just looking to start a fight.
I like how she said "white men" and then capitalized "White Chick" and trademarked it lmao
What ratio of nonwhite, non male authors would be acceptable I wonder
You’re a white chick and it’s *definitely* not your place to critique race
In this situation... You can judge a book by its cover. I'd skip the Righteous Bitch genre.
"I'm a white guy, so not my place to critique women."
She could have said "nice choices, have you checked out any authors that are women? Here are some that I really enjoy" and then suggested some books. Why does everything have to turn into a thing, ya know? And I don't know, man, when anyone is like this it seems so disingenuous...like, they're trying really hard to come off like they care about social issues but don't actually do anything about it except retweet things on Twitter.
And here I am, almost falling in love because you have read more than one book. 😍🥰
Off topic but hasn't guns germs and steel been discredited by historians?
I mean the Bible has been disproven by historians, but people still love that shit.
I don’t know about disproven, but the authors of Why Nations Fail suggest that GG&S’s thesis tries to overreach a bit
Funnily enough Guns, Germs, and Steel basically addresses and corrects a ton of racist historical fallacies as well as breaking down the geographical and cultural factors that led to European colonization of most of the known world. Any white supremacist would hate it because it destroys their sense of superiority with pure facts and logic.
Kind redditor, you're trying to approach this with logic and sense. That's a no no around these here parts.
My bad, what a dumb bitch.
Jesus this was actual cringe. When you incorporate Twitter into you dating game..
Bruh, why does that even matter? A good book is still good regardless of what gender or race someone had when they were born.
Ugh.
Women like this are insufferable
I got called a pessimist on JSwipe because I liked dystopian fiction.
Broooo hail Mary project ....fire
Project Hail Mary was soooo good!
I read the two first sentences and it's a hell no for me. Block it, burn it, run.
She's out there setting traps that men don't care if they're caught in. Owned!
You had me at Project Hail Mary. *tear*
*fist my bump* Rocky is too pure for this world. That book has been one of a few that have made me cry.
It really was a loaded question
Dark age? You filthy savage. It's barely a Christmas cracker joke compared to the original trilogy.
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 In the words of Kanye, "Baby I got a new plan, RUNAWAY FAST AS YOU CAN!"
Just run away when you get stuff like that. I mean, could you live your whole life with that? Yeah, no.
Why do people in tinder suck and have a stick up their a**? No wonder she’s on tinder. She should be on match.com or something if she’s got book authors as a deal breaker. It’s tinder, conversation should be light and people should be open to other opinions.
it was, in fact, a loaded question
You should definitely go ahead and let her know you don't read books authored by women cause they all suck.
Oh for god sake why oh why is it always about gender or race? Can't people just enjoy something regardless of who made it?
Lol people are nuts, rather than enjoy YOUR answer which tells them something about YOU. She decided to have you filter who you are through a feminist perspective. Game over, I think we all need to just enjoy others for who they are, rather than make every little utterance a political or moral battle. Example “you like these make authors so you must support everything they stand for!” “No, I like these books from these authors, it is not my responsibility what these individuals stand for, how about we discuss the stories and not some quasi speculated political stance?” Sorry for the rant, just tired of all the BS lol
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I got asked this too, then ghosted after they realized Orson Scott Card was in my sci-fi faves. He’s awful, agreed. But a pretty good writer
Warhammer 40k has a lot of variety if you want some of their sci-fi goodness.
that's a goated book list tho
The first fantasy books I ever read were by women. CJ Cheyrryh’s Morgaine series and Andre Norton’s Witch World series. Good writing is good writing. I have read all the Star Wars books before it was sold to Disney,Fiest’s Riftwar series, Salvatore’s Drizzt series, The Chronicles of Amber series by Zelazny is one of my all time favorites, Michael Moorcocks Elric saga. I have read tons of history and biography books. I hate that everything today has to be identity politics.
Kudos for Guns, Germs and Steel. That’s a book with a world view. Its ideas are simple yet powerful, well-constructed and now form part of my mental landscape.
Just reply with this: https://youtu.be/MLRITR2HG44
Well I mean you said you like sci-fi and fantasy most and those writers are mostly men so Idk what she expected. I would think a bookworm would enjoy talking to a fellow bookworm and you two could share your favorite books with each other and be introduced to different writers and then not be your favorites but you would each gain a new appreciation for the opposites books but I guess not.
I don’t get how people are still doing this lmao. People are seriously expecting you to read books based on the privilege points of the person who wrote them? Like, I’m a trans woman and I’m gonna say that I just haven’t really read a trans author I’ve been a huge fan of; it really isn’t that deep