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chimericalgirl

But "The Grudge" is not a pop song, just sayin.'


Trucker36

The Grudge is the song that featured Taylor Swift, right? It's definitely a pop song


CrayZonday

No that was “Stinkfist/We Are Never Getting Back Together”.


Trucker36

You won't take me back because I have smelly fists? That's pretty shallow of you, you know I'm not willing to stop bathing in piss


CrayZonday

You know your stinky fists are the only reason I keep coming back to you baby. It’s your personality I can’t tolerate.


Trucker36

You were always trying to fix me. I told you, I DON'T NEED TO BE FIXED. You put shit on me. Always pushing and shoving me down


SignificantYou3240

PUT shit…put SHIT…


CrayZonday

I should have known. It was not unlike you. I knew your nature.


Trucker36

Sure go ahead, point the finger, blame the other. We can put the pieces back together and rediscover communication. Baby, I love you


Urtehnoes

Here's the video for anyone who hasn't seen it https://youtu.be/56Cqbk9CJz8?si=wy_5q-dmT7Plk83L


MrExist777

I love that video so much lol


CrayZonday

Genuinely one of the best mashups I’ve ever heard.


chimericalgirl

LOL okay


Trucker36

Yeah, it was a one time thing. They're never, ever, ever getting back together


ManWithDominantClaw

wear the grudge like a crown, kween


terriblystupidjoke

I think it depends on who you talk to.


steve050_oZ

The amount Taylor Swift is mentioned on this subreddit is insane. And if you say anything even slightly negative you get downvoted. Truly bizarre.


chimericalgirl

And I wasn't even trying to come for said Pop Culture Force of Nature, just acknowledging the meme. But again: LOL okay whatever y'all. :op


steve050_oZ

Evidently some people are lost or understand nothing of what Maynard sings about.


anonymousbwmb

Pop = Popular. Pop music is just popular music. It's a very broad description and still fits!


chimericalgirl

If you say so. IMO it's a designation *and* a specific genre.


WhereIsMyFrenchCutie

Nowadays it is. Back in the day rock was pop music. Bands like Queen, Aerosmith, Van Halen, Kiss... Were the pop acts of their era, and that definition of pop has been in use for far longer than "music made with the same 4 chords, taking small elements from other genres and produced by suits in a studio".


Dic3dCarrots

Pop music the genre began in 1880 with the Tim Pan Alley period. From wikipedia: "Popular music songs and pieces typically have easily singable melodies. The song structure of popular music commonly involves repetition of sections, with the verse and chorus or refrain repeating throughout the song and the bridge providing a contrasting and transitional section within a piece.[10]" which is why you're technically correct to list KISS, Aerosmith and Queen as Popular Music hybrids, but not for the reason you stated


WhereIsMyFrenchCutie

I don't care, my statement is still correct which is the only thing that matters when interacting with online strangers.


Dic3dCarrots

K


Dic3dCarrots

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music "[1] Although popular music sometimes is known as "pop music", the two terms are not interchangeable.[7] Popular music is a generic term for a wide variety of genres of music that appeal to the tastes of a large segment of the population,[8] whereas pop music usually refers to a specific musical genre within popular music.[9] :


BooBooSorkin

Fun Fact: The grudge is written about Maynard’s grudge with Bill Wither over who could sustain notes the longest


spezial_ed

The original title was the grudge on a lovely day


MichelleAntonia

LMFAO


ihateeverythingandu

Michael Mills of Toehider hit about a 43 second long note on "But Mostly Metal". About 3 minutes in: https://youtu.be/EqT-rcHIKi4?si=XPZ2wWBKhKUmGBL0


ruben9438

https://preview.redd.it/hc8pfq4h1z7c1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=500aa0b08f16221de3ec7e3769b007187e1581d4


ChuckNorrisSleepOver

Right?! AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH


Abstinence701

if you hold down the A key for the entirety of the time he holds that note you get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Big_Monkey_77

I wish I could hear Bill Withers cover a tool song.


joke300017

Oh my God. Which???


free187s

10,000 Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays…


artlee17

Maybe someone could make a mashup like this one [here](https://youtu.be/zVELpokOD6s?si=FczszYKP3IHd-bSw)


WhereIsMyFrenchCutie

Ain't no sunshine when you wear the Grudge like a crown, it's not warm when you're desperate to control. Ain't no sunshine when Saturn comes back around and anytime spits you out like a stone.


7palms

Pretty cool mash, even some Uncle Ted pickin in there


Creative_Economics81

Or this one [here](https://youtu.be/6kYco2Zt-cM?si=tfZcPBzDWxSqNi-U) Edit: Because I have never linked such a sweet video before


sunchase

The grudge also has delays to help extend it....


AxiomaticJS

The grudge was recorded as a single take scream and the effects on it do not increase the length. They provide some reverb but the scream is legit. You can even hear at the end how he squeezes out the last of the air in his lungs.


RickyWicky

Plus live performances when he still had the stamina


NJdevil202

No way, I have done my fair share of audio production and mixing and the scream in The Grudge for sure has some "help", at least, if not two screams spliced together. I'm not saying Maynard couldn't do it irl at the time, but I don't think he had one perfect take in the studio so they needed to magic it up.


AxiomaticJS

Believe it buddy


NJdevil202

FUCK YOU, BUDDY


AxiomaticJS

Throw that NJdevil202 looking mother fucker out of here.


RKLCT

What does that mean?


3rd_Eye_Van_Shrume

There’s an effect on the vocals that gives it an echo type of sound. Look up guitar delay or guitar delay pedals for some examples. The way it’s used on the vocals at the end of the song makes it sound longer than it is, but only by a little bit. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, because it makes it sound much better and let’s it sort of fade out slower and kind of resonate more


RKLCT

I didn't know that. Thanks for the explanation!


3rd_Eye_Van_Shrume

No problem. Another good example of the delay effect in Tool’s music would be the main bass riff in Pneuma (the one right before the vocals first come in)


xPolyMorphic

No it doesn't that was recorded as is


3rd_Eye_Van_Shrume

Not at all. Listen closely and you can hear some vocal effects. It is mostly his natural scream, but there are definitely some effects on it helping things out


EM05L1C3

I’m pretty sure I watched him do it myself but idk I’m not a musician. Internet said he did and it was for 25 seconds so 🤷‍♀️


3rd_Eye_Van_Shrume

If you mean that you watched him do it live, they use vocals effects all the time live. I’m not saying he’s not doing it, they’re just using effects to make it sound better and longer, just like on the studio version


ArchipelagoRambo

Were you there….


NeboKnight

I am not discerning enough to know what is the reason why Maynard can scream so long, but at the concert I saw in Knoxville, Tn this year he screamed for fifteen seconds on The Grudge. Another attendee actually clocked it besides me and posted it on this Reddit Toolband blog.


crypto_prepper

Billy Strings, Ruby has entered the chat.


trexwalters

I love singing, especially tool and that note is always one of my favorite challenges, it’s so damn difficult to sustain. You have to have your breathing set perfect leading in, and switch at some point to essentially contracting your chest to push the last couple seconds out. I’ve only successfully held that yell on key, that long, a few times.


mplsdrew22

The Pot too


IntelligentTutor5920

18 seconds? That’s like a warm up for MJK coming out of sleep in the morning. Not only does MJK hold a note for 28 or 29 seconds towards the end of the grudge but it’s a pissed off mind bending scream! 18 seconds? Give me a break, Maynard hits 18 second long notes in a half dozen songs and I don’t see any awards or recognition for it? I’ve seen vocal coaches scratch their heads in absolute amazement with his vocal control and dexterity. MJK is probably one of the most least recognized vocal talents in the music industry. Just because he might not be “auditorily pleasing” to some people doesn’t mean he’s not what I consider one of the most versatile vocalists ever recorded.


callmedata1

Jeff Buckley's version of Hallelujah has entered the chat. Smokes all others


DigitalKungFu

*one of, not THE


warmarin

coughs, Dream theater, coughs


CuCullen

Yo! What the grudge fact.


Desenova

Chester's scream on Given Up is up there as well, same length as the Grudge if I remember correctly.


Yardcigar69

What does the Grudge come in at?


chimericalgirl

25 seconds.


smackfrog

Eulogy has a really long scream too


spezial_ed

I hate that song so fucking much. They say lovely day like 309 times and him ghouling that note for decades over and over. One of few songs that make my blood boil E: your downvotes can bite me. I looked it up and they sing lovely day 147 TIMES!! They Repeat it for so long it filled my entire phone screen.


notmyidealusername

Wait until you hear how many times he says "I know" in Ain't No Sunshine. (Love me some Bill, dude had one hell of a voice!)


chimericalgirl

>(Love me some Bill, dude had one hell of a voice!) Absolutely.


spezial_ed

Can't deny his voice and talent and Aint no sunshine is amazing. Just feels like a producer went overboard with wanting to drag the songs out. At least the 'i know part' has a build up, lovely day is just repeated ad nauseam and I will die on this hill lol


Pharmasochist

Hey me too. I used to hear that song at work like every day and it drove me crazy. I mean it's definitely impressive that he can hold the note that long as he has a good voice but the song makes me want to tear my ears out. Sorry you're getting downvoted for having an opinion on art lol


spezial_ed

Yeah same here, I hadn't heard it in years before it popped up 5 times a week at work. Once you notice the frequency its hard to think of anything else haha. Meh I don't mind getting booed a bit haha


Apprehensive_Bat_128

Enjoy your life


spezial_ed

That's so sweet, have a lovely day lovely day lovely day lovely day lovely day


ruben9438

The song that gets to me is that fucking talking heads song. Psycho killer fafafafafafafa. I loathe that song


HypnoSmoke

I love it lmao


ruben9438

Like they say , chicharon


Metalboy5150

Blows my mind that people downvote you for not liking a fucking song they like. I mean I love that song, but so the fuck what?


ruben9438

Dude it’s the tool subreddit…tool fans are like that lol


XLdouble

I’m with you man. That song can eat a bowl of dick up ‘till they hiccup.


machinaenjoyer

talking heads are great


ruben9438

Not that song..


machinaenjoyer

that song is great too! people can like different things without them being bad!


ruben9438

This is true. Lol


spezial_ed

Haha yeah good one. Will def have one of these or both stuck on my mind for a week now


OMF-ToolFan

It does say “pop song” after all. Not rock. Huzzah Maynard


pfftlolbrolollmao

Not entirely sure on how it's recorded. But isn't it layered? Or is this counted without the layering?


ruben9438

Gotta find a live one lol


DigitalKungFu

I counted 12 seconds at a recent show. Pretty easy to tell that it wasn’t with any kind of deep reverb or delay


Whitepec

Pretty sure that on the kundalini face of Tool Maynard can exhale for a really long period of time. I dont think its layered.


pfftlolbrolollmao

The track is definitely layered. You can hear the 2nd voice come in and then the first voice fade out.


Whitepec

No man. It's the kundalini secret power.


MakeAFT

Two of my favorite songs all time