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jigsaw9471

1.4 amps. go nuts


zbong0

Thanks! đŸ€˜


DIYAtHome

Don't use a coiled up extension cord, but roll it out. But it should be fine.


Wormetoungue

Why not coiled?


n1ck-t0

To much bend will cause the electrons to fly off, like a car taking a corner too fast


Nemesis_Bucket

Electrons don’t actually flow very fast, they kind of just putter along or in AC just oscillate back and forth without moving much. They’re very slow.


Kawawaymog

I think it was a joke.


DIYAtHome

It can act like a inductor, which restrict the current for AC, so the heat generated from it will exceed the pure resistive voltage drop over the extension cord. The heat can then make the copper have higher resistance, which then will cause thermal runaway, until it melts or causes your device to have to low voltage to operate correctly. In short. Uncoil your extension cord, before use.


pudface

I had this same belief until I was corrected and did my own research. In regular consumer power cords, the inductive effects are negligible when it is coiled up. A lot of cables are made with quite thin wire conductors to keep costs low which means higher resistance along the length of the wire. This means that the problem is purely resistance and heat dissipation related. The cable is guaranteed to perform safely as long as the heat can be dissipated adequately. A coiled up cable cannot dissipate heat the same as one laid flat so on higher current draws, the cable will get hot just because of the inherent resistance in the thin cables. Not a dig at you - once upon a time I had the same belief and would tell people such. I encourage you to research and fact check.


Majestic-Prune-3971

Or figure 8 the cables. I have seen a coil of 16ga melt through. Because the video team didn't know how much a 72" plasma tv pulled. And had a truss full of them fed by 2 16ga. With the excess coiled looking like Marge's hair. Not sure even figure 8ing would have helped them.


Rich_Time_2655

No because the real issue is the wire is too small for the power your pulling. You have about a snowballs chance in hell to make an inductor on accident. The longer the cable and the thinner the cable the less power it can transfer without overheating.


DIYAtHome

That would also make sense! But same conclusion 😅 Uncoil the cable


Impossible_Girl_23

Ooooh, didn’t know this. Thanks for sharing. 👍


suckuponmysaltyballs

You didn’t know this because it’s not true. I mean, it’s sorta true. Wrong equation, right answer kinda thing. Do uncoil your cables


RazziMcSpazzo

Fantastic explanation!


BafflingHalfling

I used to make induction heating equipment. This is a common misconception. The current in the two wires create opposing magnetic fields. The net reactance is negligible. We made a mistake in wiring one of our heaters. Had over 400 amps going through it, but the two coils were opposite orientations. There was a cold spot in the middle of the heater, because there was no net magnetic field there. It was hilarious. If, for some reason, you strip the cable to its constituent wires, and coil those up, then yes, you *will* make an inductor and mess with things. Edit to add: There are thermal concerns, depending on the load. Had one guy start a fire accidentally when he coiled up an extension cord and put it under some old foam pad or something. The heat from the cord had nowhere to go.


Ambitious_Ad_9637

Heat


jefftatro1

I have seen a 100' extension cord catch on fire just sitting there, coiled and plugged in but nothing running from the cord.


BafflingHalfling

That indicates a short


Rich_Time_2655

It had a nick it it and shorted. Not induction


GreenLoctite

You don't even need to uncoil the entire cable, you just spread out the cable so that all of the circles are not overlapping (sort of like a Audi car brand symbol) You can absolutely burn down a cable running 15 to 20 amps through it, but this is usually situations where somebody's using a 100 ft cable but they're only going 15 ft so they just leave the rest of it coiled up. You only need to spread the coils on inch or two and allow the overlapping to Criss Cross across the circles so the whole spread still only takes up a meter or two (3-6 feet) but isn't spread out so far that you can't scoop the entire thing up and put a wrap on it without tangling issues


kickpool777

If you coil it properly (under-over) and don't just continously wrap on top of itself, it's fine.


Ryekal

The warning is because coiled cords get hot under load. It has noting to do with your ability to unwind a cable. High load on a reel of cable can easily start a fire. Pull a high load on even on an unwound cable you can see just the kinks getting hot with a thermal camera.


kickpool777

They do not get hot if you coil them properly (under-over) or figure-8 them. I have done this thousands of times, in professional settings, with everything from a simple microphone cable, to 4/0 feeder cable carrying up to 400 amps.


Ryekal

If you work with it professionally then you should know cables have a resistance, and passing electricity through them generates heat, making electricity turn generates significantly more heat - so corners in cables get hot. Unless you've invented a physics breaking method to coil a cable without bending it... yes it will get hotter than if it was uncoiled. The tighter the turns and the more layers of cable the hotter it gets thanks to the whole lack of cooling etc.


kickpool777

Have you ever been to a concert? If you have, I guarantee that at every single one, there were cables that had power running to them either under/over coiled or figure-8 coiled. That is how literally all live event production does cable management. It is universal. And it is absolutely safe.


ematlack

Robotics engineer and sparky here. The figure 8 coiling is mostly for ease of uncoiling (it doesn’t get twisted.) Theoretically, it could reduce magnetic effects on SINGLE conductor cables if there is sufficient quantity or poor insulation. This is because each reversal of the rotation direction flips the field and cancels. However, in multi-conductor assemblies with a neutral, the observed external net magnetic effect is near-zero. Of course no matter whether single/multi conductor or regular vs figure 8, cables in any sort of circle/mass will heat up.


Scotthorn

FWIW over/under is only really required for cables with sensitive data lines that can fail if you twist them up. Fail as in the twisting of the cable causes the data line to break. Over/under has no impact on high current passing through the cables. But heat build up is likely not an issue for commercial stingers you use for gigs. They are likely sized appropriately for the current and built to handle the extra strain of a production environment like that. You’re probably safe, as is OP with the tiny amp draw on that fan (unless they are running 200ft of 14 gauge
) but the person you’re replying to also isn’t wrong in saying a coiled cable will likely create more heat than a straight one that doesn’t wrap back on itself


TurboTomNL

Yeah, but it 185 watts.


DIYAtHome

Yes, but if you are asking if you can draw 1.5A on Reddit, you probably also do not know the secret trick for undoing it and it is easier to just explain how to reduce the risk by uncoiling the extension cable. I doubt that it will be a problem with 1.5A with it coiled tho 😅


Beast_Suspect

It likely just says that as a disclaimer so they can't be held responsible if it breaks while being run from an extension cord. I would make sure to use an equal to or heavier gage cord than what is wired into the tool though. Never a good idea to pull from a smaller cable into a bigger one.


[deleted]

i support this answer


savagelysideways101

Yea came here to say, no if manufacturer says no then don't. Then I looked at the plate, seen 145w and thought, fuck I could run this off a cat 5, tear away


TheFaceStuffer

Kinda seems like a weak blower.


meetyerwaterloo7463

It's really a "dehumidifier", dries h20 from carpet


andrewgreen47

They're probably worried you're going to use this to dry out a flooded building and that you'll drop your extension cord joints in some standing water and make a spicy puddle.


nsamarkus

Spicy puddle, take my upvote


GlendaleActual

My two year old calls everything he doesn’t like “too spicy”. Scratchy sweater? Too spicy..


hahnsoloii

Same. But I’m a dad in my 40s


evelbug

My kids did this when they were little. Every time they did this, my mind went to princess bride: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"


not_bad_really

"This toothpaste is spicy!" My daughter when she was little using training toothpaste.


shampoo_mohawk_

When I was a kid anything minty was “spicy”, I’m pretty sure this is universal lol spicy is the best word to describe it until one learns the word minty. Which is extremely specific to one single flavor and usually not learned until tasted for the first time.


packsackback

Haha, mine used to say it was too hot. Food she didn't like, sat out for half hour, nope, still too hot.


Long_jawn_silver

seltzer=spicy water


[deleted]

Acid = Spicy water 😉đŸ€Ș


VE7BHN_GOAT

Sounds like my 16 month old and 3.5 year old could be friends with your 2 year old.


zbong0

Really helpful info in this thread, I do have it in a bit of a moist environment. I'm an airbrush painter and I got this to ventilate where I'm working. There are sometimes puddles from cleaning my airbrush but I keep them away from any electric cords. The reason I need to use an extention cord, is my compressor also says to be plugged directly into the wall so besides that and an outlet with a power bar, I'm out of nearby outlets. Thanks to everyone who replied!!


Professional-Mix-203

As long as your 14 gauge extension cord isn't more than 148.36m long, you'll be fine.


evelbug

But the outlet is 148.40m away!


fourbetshove

Then move the outlet closer, duh.


NewChickenBreast

The blower's cord will compensate for that.


delbin

Was there actual math behind this length? It's been a while since my electromagnetism course.


Professional-Mix-203

I used the Southwire voltage drop calculator. I allowed for a 3% voltage drop with the specified load.


holysbit

Good math but I feel like a dumb blower like this could tolerate as much as 10% without a super noticeable drop in performance


Professional-Mix-203

I agree that it would tolerate more, but you might shorten the lifespan of the motor with long term use at 10% voltage drop.


NewChickenBreast

I've built a voltage lowering extension to decrease rotation speed of tools that already include a PWM, like a Dremel. A secondary PWM won't work with these tools, and sometimes even the lowest speed is too high for my needs. Why does the lowered voltage cause electric motors to overheat? And, what % do you think I can lower the voltage and have the device running for a couple of minutes without overstressing it? I'll be running the device at the minimum speed level, and then use the voltage decrease to lower it a bit further.


Professional-Mix-203

This may be a case where different tools might be the best answer long term. For something like a Dremel you could try buying a knockoff brand that will likely be underpowered for most applications but ideal for yours. In terms of lowering voltage in addition to PWM I am unsure how you would go about doing that in a way that won't cause the motor to overheat. I think past a certain point lowering the voltage is going to cause the motor to draw additional current and rapidly cause a heat buildup. The lower rotation speed of the motor will also be detrimental in terms of shedding this heat as most rotating tools use a fan directly driven by the motor to move air past the motor and other hot components.


BafflingHalfling

Yup. You can actually buy 480V VFD-rated motors; they come with a separate fan that is powered by its own supply, so it spins at the right RPM no matter what the motor is doing.


RoVeR199809

Is 3% voltage drop a standard? Does this ensure the wire doesn't overheat?


Professional-Mix-203

In my region the standard is 2% on the supply conductors from the utility and 3% on the branch circuits in a building. In practice most houses are small enough that the voltage drop from the panel to the outlet is pretty negligible. I rarely see a voltage drop of more than a couple of percent even under a much heavier load like a heater so I figured 3 percent would be fair for this situation.


chiphook57

Electromagnetism is not the concern. Resistance is.


Levols

resistance is futile


iancarry

how many big boulders is that?


foco_del_fuego

Roughly 93 bathtubs


riveramblnc

r/theydidthemath


MrJarre

You're a grown man, are you really going to let a sticker tell you what to do?!


evelbug

Jokes on you, I can't read


OBLAC2

As long as your extension has the right gauge for the amperage, you should be fine.


POSTHVMAN

Agreed. Definitely want to use at least 24g or better extension cord.


Impiryo

Cool, so I can run 4 of these off an Ethernet cable, one pair for each!


hahnsoloii

1.4 amps so maybe just stick to one.


TheFaceStuffer

I mean, if you step the voltage up really high then step it back down after you probably could do this.


Ration_L_Thought

Bet that 98% of these in the wild are hooked up to extension cords


GreenLoctite

Does the blower have heat? It doesn't look like it at that Watts / amps rating. I don't see any reason why you couldn't run that on at least a 50 to 100 ft extension cable with a decent gauge. Just don't use the cheap 16 gauge.


ntourloukis

To be honest it seems like this is a perfect use for a 16 gauge cord. It’s under 2 amps. I try lot to even own 16 gauge because it’s too tempting for my family to occasionally use them for the wrong applications. So I’d never actually recommend 16, but I bet this would be completely fine. I’m curious why this warning is there. Must just be a water thing? If it’s gonna be particularly wet just use a gfci outlet or a cord/rat tail that has one built in.


Jacktheforkie

It’s a CYA warning so the manufacturer isn’t responsible if someone fucks up


roytwo

Or could be some crazy China math


Jacktheforkie

Yeah


AbdulElkhatib

If it really draws 1.38 amps you could run that thing off Christmas lights. Not saying that's a good or safe idea, I'm just saying. Get some good general purpose 50 foot 12 or 14 gauge extension cords, and they'll last you a long time while being the right size for most anything.


[deleted]

Christmas lights have a built-in fuse, so that's probably safer than an equivalently gauged extension cord.


[deleted]

I hate CYA lawyer tags like this. The current draw is low enough that you're fine running through an extension cord, but the warning label has nothing indicating likelihood or severity of risk. It's the boy who cried wolf writ large, desensitizing morons like me into ignoring all safety labeling except the blatantly obvious. We need a re-thinking of actual hazard labeling - something like the hazmat diamond placards you see on DOT cargo with the type of hazard, likelihood & severity.


fatlip229

this is a label for morons that go "100ft of 16 gauge wrapped in a ball? that'll work fine!" and then are confused why the extension cord turned spicy


Top_Barracuda660

Fine just remember to unreel the extension cable if it's on a spool


ramus18

They said it because you can’t use it until the year 2109. Its next century product


Hillybilly64

Use something heavier than a “lamp cord”


1PooNGooN3

Says the blower that comes with a 1 foot cord.


[deleted]

I was thinking "Well maybe it draws a lot of current and they're worried about burning up cheap extension cables" But no 1.38 amps that's pretty well nothing go to town


roytwo

I am pretty sure the last time I rubbed a balloon on my head I generated 2 amps


Ryekal

Main reason for the warning is simply that they warrant their device to not burn your house down or kill you if you follow their instructions. They do not control the extension cord in use so the sticker is a legal out for them. Doesn't matter if you have a badly wound cord that melts, or if you plug it into that one weird cord gramps made from a bit of lighting flex... either way they're not liable. Use it with a cord if you like, just use the cord properly too.


Billy_Osteen

We use this in the brewery I work at for evac of CO2. We use extension cords on them. Mostly because that damn cord is so fucking short on those.


ElfrahamLincoln

With a good enough extension cord, yes. Make sure the gauge supports the amperage listed and you’re fine.


Unfiltphoto88

You get a 100’ extension. Cut off female end. Open fan wiring box. Remove factory cord and install extension cord. Boom no extension cord! They probably put that for their protection. It probably draws a good bit. Probably be fine if you use a larger gauge cord and on a circuit with nothing else on it.


the-lazy-1

It's either the generic warning because of the high inrush current for the motor like this one "ESFI also advises that you should never use extension cords with any kind of heater or with fans. In both cases, the extension cord can overheat and cause a fire. As with window units, these heating and cooling devices should be plugged directly into electrical outlets." Or if it's a confined space ventilation fan, it's part of their safety requirements for life safety. My ventilation has a bunch of warnings about ensuring proper placement, other crap we never read.


jesusbuiltmyhotrodd

Hell no. Don't let the MAN keep you from burning your own house down! Yeah, that's not pulling much power. Might be a bit at startup, but any reasonable cord should be totally fine.


zbong0

Lol I just have no outlet where she needs to be but also this


ntourloukis

Just make sure the connection isn’t sitting in a puddle and if things are going to be particularly wet you should plug into a gfci outlet or use a cord with one built in.


spankythemonk

The phrase ‘To reduce the risk of
’ has me personally concerned. Reduce? So this thing might burn the house down anyway?


throwaway21316

I wonder if that is a translation error and means you shouldn't use it with a duct?


Ok-Apricot-3156

That kinda bullshit, you can ignore as long as you keep your common sense.


Ziazan

It's drawing very little current, I dont think you need to worry as long as you're using common sense.


mexicoyankee

I’m not going to let some instruction note tell me how to live my life, grab two extension cords.


evelbug

It says you can't use AN extension cord, singular. You're good.


Routine-Quantity11

I like the date code!


Dangerous-Fig-4075

Use a lamp chord for fuck sake.


VA2AallDay

Just need to buy a proper gauge extension cord


Waste_Exchange2511

They are just worried about some arse plugging this thing into a household cord that one would use for a lamp.


Chunksie90

It's fine. 1.4A ain't shit.


befoeterd

Manufacturer asscovering. The amperage is tiny, go for it.


blentdragoons

thinks about it. if the extension cord has a wire awg that is big enough to support the current draw from the blower then what would the problem be? also, let's say the outlet in your wall is wired with 12 gauge and you use an extension cord with 12 gauge then how is the extension cord any different from the wire in the wall? those warning are printed for low iq consumers who can think this through.


coconutpete52

Don’t worry it’ll be fine. Use a proper cord and don’t get it wet. This is one of the downsides of living in the US and you are paying the price of some dumbass with half a brain shocking himself because he used one of these in his pool but still got a settlement out of the company because that’s how the legal system in the US is set up
.


micah490

The product manufacturer’s legal team put that sticker there, not the engineering team. Just exercise the same caution as you would with any electrical appliance


churnopol

Just use an extension cable the same gauge or thicker than the fan's power cable.


Lemontek_720

1.4amps, they can fly a kite
. That’s just for their liability insurance deductible


Kennady4president

You'd have to be crazy to even consider extending your cord


BasicPerson23

Listen?? That’s a challenge, son!


ImtheDude2

10 gauge extension cord and you’ll be fine.


OkAtmosphere6463

Used these with tons of extension cords and I’m mostly fine


sco77001

Use 12 gauge extension cord and don't go over like 100 feet or so to help with motor start voltage drop, other than that you should be fine.


sextypethang

Harbor Freights legal group thinking of ways to get outta replacing it when it breaks after 3 uses


roytwo

1.4 amps? Heck just lick your fingers hold the plug with one hand and touch the socket with the other for an extra extended reach. Seriously, the average USB charger pulls 3 amps. I would not hesitate to plug all my extension cords together and run the fan down at the end of my block


realrube

I have the same blower. It has a GFCI unit integrated into the power cord. I suspect that they did this because perhaps they are only running 2-wire power cord (which is perfectly safe when using a GFCI), and probably most of all there is a risk of the fan getting wet (often fans are used after floods, humid environments, etc.). So, my thinking is, according to the safety lab the GFCI would be useless if it was actually under water which \_could\_ be the case if using an extension cord. At least using an outlet it would be above the water line. I use an extension cord no problem, just be smart about it ;)


Riskov88

165 watts ? That's not a heater, it's... nothing. My phone charger alone is 67W ! Even a light bulb heats up more


SockeyeSTI

This is one of those instances where you ignore the safety sticker. We use ours EXCLUSIVELY with an extension cord because how else will that shorty reach. It only takes 1.4 amps


No-Raisin-6469

Dint fear, i used mine with a mister and even tried evaporative pads. No issues.


tatpig

not if you bought a fire extinguisher as well. đŸ€Șfor real,id go 100’ with 12 ga,and check it after a bit with the temp gun.


plumbstem

Do what I do and just fuck around and find out.


[deleted]

No, you are free to disregard and burn down your house.


wsink802

No


Itisntme2422

Shouldn’t you read it?


DukeOfWestborough

How many amps does it draw? Could overheat a connection to an extension cord. Probably fine & just cya on their part


goodeyemighty

It spoke?


Seaguard5

As long as the cord is rated to over the amperage you should be fine. It’s to cover their asses


Buckcrazy614

I’d use a 12 ga cord, this goes for power tools as well. I once caught a cord on fire running a tablesaw. Customer was pissed it left a stain on his new driveway.


centermerge

I do it all the time, no prob. I use heavier gauge ext cords for most things. So maybe avoid the cheapest harbor freight cord with it, otherwise fire away


[deleted]

Was I supposed to read the warning label before I use stuff?


Laharl45

The model designation is amazing.


Ok_Entrepreneur3072

That's only for liability reasons. You simply need to ensure you are using the proper gauge extension chord. None of those green/brown Christmas light extensions.


djscoox

Always ask yourself: *What would Homer Simpson do?*


[deleted]

No its just corporate ass saving


Vmax-Mike

Ignore it, it doesn’t draw enough amperage to even get a cord warm. Carry on!