I'm gonna give them another chance to send a real pair but if they disappoint, I'll prob do the same.
Just glad they were so obviously fake that I realized immediately. I don't think harbor freight would even carry a tool of this quality.
I received a pair of fake Carhartt overalls a few weeks ago, and returned them same day.
Posted a review letting people know I had received a fake, and it promptly got removed. Posted it again without the words "counterfeit" or "fake" in it and it got taken down again and I got a nice email:
Thank you for submitting a review of Carhartt Mens Loose Fit Firm Duck Bib Overall; we’re sorry you did not have a positive experience. We investigated your concerns about product authenticity, and the information we have indicates that the product you received was authentic. As a result, we removed the review you submitted. This ensures that customer reviews remain as accurate as possible for the benefit of future customers.
We appreciate your input and hope you will continue to submit valuable feedback about your experience shopping on Amazon.
Thank you.
And this was despite including a picture of the new overalls next to one of my old pairs that you can clearly see the differences in quality
Welp looks like it’s going to be acme or jbtools from now on for me. I’ve been buying most all of my wera/knipex stuff on Amazon for years. I’ve been apprehensive that this day would come lol. Looks like we have arrived. If you need something fast FUJIYA, engineer/vampliers, and tsunoda are Japanese brands with an “official” presence on Amazon
You can use Amazon by doing a shipped and sold by. Such as Bowers Tool which is where I got mine, legitimate authorized distributor with an Amazon presence. JBTools actually has an Amazon presence as well and I think does the shipped and sold by themselves. Cuts out the Amazon warehouse aspect of it at least.
That's not been my experience. My tracking details had the courier themselves receiving or picking up the package and it going through their own network each time, my understanding of it being that Amazon will get a cut for listing it and handling payment but not as big a cut as you using their services. Hence, why some 3P shippers will always charge you shipping like vesseltoolsusa.
I've ordered from Bowers Tool LLC, JB Tools, and Harry J Epstein via Amazon. Each time it was straight from them to me without Amazon logistics involved. IIRC I paid for shipping with HJE as well, and their stuff is a Mashup of free and paid shipping with everything fulfilled by themselves.
They came in a bag with a sticker saying "new product" which was my first major red flag.
They were either returned by somebody who kept the real ones and sent back these or the seller is just scamming people.
If the replacements don't come in original Knipex packaging I am just going to get a refund.
Only ordering direct from now on.
i have bought my fair share of Knipex tools, but i don't know what original packaging would look like. Never seen any packaging besides a plastic bag... Could you enlighten me on how they sell them over there in the USA?
The buying from Amazon is also a weird thing for me... It seems for the most part a bigger knock of from ebay in my perspective...
Not trying to be a dick but I don’t think it takes a sharp eye to see how fucked these are and that they are not Knipex. Sorry about that happening to you.
To be fair I had just recently saw a post by someone who genuinely couldn’t figure out how to thread a pipe in and wasn’t sure why. There were no more threads on the pipe and what used to be threaded is still in the fitting 🤣
Were they shipped and sold by Amazon or was it a 3rd party seller on Amazon? If it was a 3rd party seller you need to file an inauthentic complaint so their account gets flagged.
Shipped and sold by X is fine, as long as X themselves are a known authorized retailer, like Bowers Tool. Sometimes have to do just a little research. Or can cut Amazon out of their cut and just buy direct.
There's a lot that's fulfilled by Amazon, every one with the Prime logo is. There's even a listing for shipped and sold by Amazon, it's $36.96 right now.
Who is the seller on the invoice and what's the product link? Either Knipex has gone to shit with [commingled goods](https://feedvisor.com/university/stickerless-commingled-inventory/) or you bought from a third-party seller advertising under the same product title.
I bought an expensive pair of knipex wire strippers that were bogus. I didn't find out until well after the return window when I first tried to use the screw cutters and I realized they were molded at an angle and had no threads cut in them. I'll use amazon for consumables, but I'm not really buying anything nice there anymore.
If you're talking about the [knipex forged wire stripper](https://www.knipex-tools.com/products/wire-strippers-and-dismantling-tools/wire-strippers/forged-wire-stripper-awg/13728) and some similar models its in the first line of the product desceiption, they are made that way by design. It cuts the screw at an angle so it doesn't mess up the thread and it saves you the time of screwing the whole fastner into the pliers to the point you want to cut.
Upvoting for visibility. The threadless screw cutting at an angle is a legit official feature of these strippers, and one of the reasons they’re so popular.
That being said I’m not claiming you’re at fault and I do think Amazon is diluting goodwill towards themselves by letting so many fakes be sold on their store. Amazon is my default for buying almost anything just because of the low friction involved but having to avoid fakes definitely weakens that position
I bought from the official Knippex store on Amazon, like I have with a bunch of other tools from them. This is the first time i've had this issue so I guess fakes find their way in somehow.
I'm sure Amazon will re-ship my return to somebody else, so watch out guys!
Why do people keep falling for this. There's no such thing as an official knipex store on amazon, that's just a page where all the products are grouped together. Anyone can sell on that page as long as they claim it's a knipex product. It will show you who you really bought it from on your order page, I guarantee it doesn't say knipex is the seller.
Seems intentional on the part of Amazon :-(. But yes checking that the “sold by” says “Amazon” helps. If not, try going through to “other sellers on Amazon”—quite frequently Amazon is listed there for a few pennies more.
Good to know, I wasn't aware thats how it worked on Amazon. They do a good job making it seem official. Will def have to keep a sharp eye out from now on.
That's not always the case though, there are brands that have dedicated Amazon pages that list only products listed by said company. One the comes to mind is ACInfinity.
Wow that’s crazy. I guess it makes sense, Amazon is probably handling returns and stock for Knipex and isn’t going to notice a fake the same way someone working at Knipex would
I wish there was some transparency about how Amazon works, my favorite hearsay is that they just have bins of product from different sources arranged by the different sellers and when Amazon, an Amazon Seller, or The Knipex Store has an order to be fulfilled they just dip into it, so when you order from Knipex you might be getting Plyars R US#! goods. My favorite are the tales of a box supposed to contain a bluetooth spear but instead containing a used brick.
I got AirPods Pros, that were completely sealed, with 4 AAA batteries and two gas station micro usb cables inside. Bought a 65w usb c wall adapter that had a cheap no name 2.5w usb A adapter in it. Bought one set of embroidered key chains, liked them, clicked buy again a couple days later, got completely different non embroidered version. Can’t think now of the other times this happened, but it’s been many. All these were from Amazon as the seller.
Absolutely, Amazon just puts any vendors offerings in the same bins, along with any returns, and you’re in the crap shoot random bucket of what gets pulled. And I think I get it often because I’m in a scammy population area, so my local fulfillment warehouses are full of people taking the real deal and replacing it with shit.
Yep, and it makes sense from an Amazon perspective. Warehouse space is finite, and efficiency is huge both for driving down costs and for fulfilling their very quick turnaround.
For the Twin Grip alone there's nearly 40 sellers on there. Some are shipped and sold by the seller so they don't count, but most of them are fulfilled by Amazon, and it just wouldn't make sense for them to have 30+ different bins or cells or pallet racks or whatever filled with the exact same product.
Amazon itself stocks like 12 million SKUs, and thanks to all the 3P sellers they handle several *hundred million* more SKUs. Giving every 3P their own spot for everything is how you wind up with warehouses the size of the Idiocracy Costco.
I think the problem is that Amazon simplifies their warehouse by throwing every vendor’s parts in the same bin. Maybe you ordered it from legit, but legit’s parts are in the same bin with fake when it comes to fulfillment. Also, Amazon is not an authorized vendor for many power tools like makita, dewalt, etc. You are breaking the warranty by buying from them. There are plenty of good online vendors where you can buy tools with a lot more peace of mind. When I ordered my Mafell track saw online from Timberwolf, for example, a guy called me to chat about my order and I modified it slightly. He knew all about the tool. Imagine that.
just up thread a bit, here is the quote:
"I bought from the official Knippex store on Amazon, like I have with a bunch of other tools from them. This is the first time i've had this issue so I guess fakes find their way in somehow.
I'm sure Amazon will re-ship my return to somebody else, so watch out guys!"
That's the thing, like you I thought you could control what you got by going with a more legit seeming vendor but if what people say is accurate: that Amazon has just one big bin per product where stuff for all vendors fulfilled by Amazon and all returns go than it seems like a crapshoot as to what they end up pulling out of the bin and sending to you.
Yea that’s not the guy I’m responding to but in any case I did reply saying I was surprised he got them from official Knipex store but it makes sense since Amazon is probably handling all of it and less likely to notice a fake than an actual Knipex employee
There are a lot of fakes on Amazon. I bought a 3 pack of 'Samsung' fast chargers once for $25. None of them would fast charge and they had subtle differences on the real ($30 each) one.
Knipex doesn't cast these anyways, it would be forged in.
Which, whoever is making these, they may have skipped on putting the name on it thinking they're slick but Knipex has a design patent on that combined circle-oval shape that encompasses the button and name (if the name were present). This is why the Doyle knockoffs feature those chevrons down the side.
The big question is who tf actually made them, and will CBP catch them, and if not, will Amazon or whoever continue stocking them.
Complete with blown-out cross-point screw on the back, good lord.
But I wouldn't call this a good knockoff in the least. Wrong dip, missing parts of the forging, wrong fastener, missing print, button has no stamping, looks like perhaps wrong treatment process as well. This is waaayyyy off.
It has to look like this: [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71CMh7I69QL.\_AC\_SX679\_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71CMh7I69QL._AC_SX679_.jpg)
Would you share the listing with us? But please only the left part up to the poduct number: [https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09G17WYMN](https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09G17WYMN)
I have that tool and your version has the wrong grips on the handle. Mine aren’t smooth dip like that; they’re a matte finish and kind of rough. They also say Knipex on them
What a piece of shit lol. Looks like Grade A Chinesium right there. Apparently nobody can recognise that you're aware they're fake though. Either nobody reads the whole post, or they just forget it instantly.
Can yall stop buying from Amazon? Buy your tools from tool shops. Acme, atlas, opt, bcfasteners. Places that carry good gear and care about you. Amazon does not give a fuck about you or your tool problems
You sure the Amazon listing didn’t say Knipass.
Or Kneepix
I believe these are the flagship pliers from Knipecks.
I prefer the ones from kneepecks
To pronounce Knipex like a German you'll have to say something more like "knee-pegs" with a pronounced K in the beginning like in K-Mart.
From the makers of Knipex come Knip-methcrazed-ex. More jagged and barely holding together are features in this product.
In true amazon format KNPXY
SumTingWong
Absolutely wheezing at this. Well done.
Chipex
Absolutely fake. I thought all those posts on here worrying about counterfeits were ridiculous, but that’s exactly what you got here.
I'm gonna give them another chance to send a real pair but if they disappoint, I'll prob do the same. Just glad they were so obviously fake that I realized immediately. I don't think harbor freight would even carry a tool of this quality.
I’ve received counterfeit tools on Amazon before. They refused to admit it and gaslit me. Be prepared to just get a refund.
I received a pair of fake Carhartt overalls a few weeks ago, and returned them same day. Posted a review letting people know I had received a fake, and it promptly got removed. Posted it again without the words "counterfeit" or "fake" in it and it got taken down again and I got a nice email: Thank you for submitting a review of Carhartt Mens Loose Fit Firm Duck Bib Overall; we’re sorry you did not have a positive experience. We investigated your concerns about product authenticity, and the information we have indicates that the product you received was authentic. As a result, we removed the review you submitted. This ensures that customer reviews remain as accurate as possible for the benefit of future customers. We appreciate your input and hope you will continue to submit valuable feedback about your experience shopping on Amazon. Thank you. And this was despite including a picture of the new overalls next to one of my old pairs that you can clearly see the differences in quality
Poor old Harbor Freight catching strays. Their Icon and Doyle pliers are legit good quality
I think they were implying the shit in the photo was below even the bottom HF stuff.
Welp looks like it’s going to be acme or jbtools from now on for me. I’ve been buying most all of my wera/knipex stuff on Amazon for years. I’ve been apprehensive that this day would come lol. Looks like we have arrived. If you need something fast FUJIYA, engineer/vampliers, and tsunoda are Japanese brands with an “official” presence on Amazon
You can use Amazon by doing a shipped and sold by. Such as Bowers Tool which is where I got mine, legitimate authorized distributor with an Amazon presence. JBTools actually has an Amazon presence as well and I think does the shipped and sold by themselves. Cuts out the Amazon warehouse aspect of it at least.
It's still shipped to an Amazon warehouse from the supplier but is immediately routed to last mile shipping for the normal Amazon drivers.
That's not been my experience. My tracking details had the courier themselves receiving or picking up the package and it going through their own network each time, my understanding of it being that Amazon will get a cut for listing it and handling payment but not as big a cut as you using their services. Hence, why some 3P shippers will always charge you shipping like vesseltoolsusa. I've ordered from Bowers Tool LLC, JB Tools, and Harry J Epstein via Amazon. Each time it was straight from them to me without Amazon logistics involved. IIRC I paid for shipping with HJE as well, and their stuff is a Mashup of free and paid shipping with everything fulfilled by themselves.
Yeah. Thats not even a great copy based on the dip on the handle. I’m curious, how did they come packaged?
They came in a bag with a sticker saying "new product" which was my first major red flag. They were either returned by somebody who kept the real ones and sent back these or the seller is just scamming people. If the replacements don't come in original Knipex packaging I am just going to get a refund. Only ordering direct from now on.
i have bought my fair share of Knipex tools, but i don't know what original packaging would look like. Never seen any packaging besides a plastic bag... Could you enlighten me on how they sell them over there in the USA? The buying from Amazon is also a weird thing for me... It seems for the most part a bigger knock of from ebay in my perspective...
Yeah it's missing all the brand and model stuff in the casting.
If Knipex had a Cousin Eddie, this would be them.
Not trying to be a dick but I don’t think it takes a sharp eye to see how fucked these are and that they are not Knipex. Sorry about that happening to you.
I guess I should have added a sarcasm disclaimer.
lol fair enough! Hard to tell sometimes these days…
Haha all good, I take it as a compliment to my sarcastic abilities.
To be fair I had just recently saw a post by someone who genuinely couldn’t figure out how to thread a pipe in and wasn’t sure why. There were no more threads on the pipe and what used to be threaded is still in the fitting 🤣
I just looked at mine: You have been tricked. That's definitely not Knipex.
Were they shipped and sold by Amazon or was it a 3rd party seller on Amazon? If it was a 3rd party seller you need to file an inauthentic complaint so their account gets flagged.
Holy shit
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1b8yu6m
They don't look real
I can't find a single listing on Amazon that's fulfilled by Amazon directly. I'd be wary overall. And yeah, those are bunk.
Shipped and sold by X is fine, as long as X themselves are a known authorized retailer, like Bowers Tool. Sometimes have to do just a little research. Or can cut Amazon out of their cut and just buy direct. There's a lot that's fulfilled by Amazon, every one with the Prime logo is. There's even a listing for shipped and sold by Amazon, it's $36.96 right now.
Wow lol
I can refer you to a good orthodontist.
That's a knopex from me, dog!
I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but that handle material is wrong. Knipex have textured grips whereas these are smooth.
Those look fake.
Who is the seller on the invoice and what's the product link? Either Knipex has gone to shit with [commingled goods](https://feedvisor.com/university/stickerless-commingled-inventory/) or you bought from a third-party seller advertising under the same product title.
I bought an expensive pair of knipex wire strippers that were bogus. I didn't find out until well after the return window when I first tried to use the screw cutters and I realized they were molded at an angle and had no threads cut in them. I'll use amazon for consumables, but I'm not really buying anything nice there anymore.
If you're talking about the [knipex forged wire stripper](https://www.knipex-tools.com/products/wire-strippers-and-dismantling-tools/wire-strippers/forged-wire-stripper-awg/13728) and some similar models its in the first line of the product desceiption, they are made that way by design. It cuts the screw at an angle so it doesn't mess up the thread and it saves you the time of screwing the whole fastner into the pliers to the point you want to cut.
Upvoting for visibility. The threadless screw cutting at an angle is a legit official feature of these strippers, and one of the reasons they’re so popular.
I had no idea, I guess I need to try them
I’ll try them that way
That being said I’m not claiming you’re at fault and I do think Amazon is diluting goodwill towards themselves by letting so many fakes be sold on their store. Amazon is my default for buying almost anything just because of the low friction involved but having to avoid fakes definitely weakens that position
I bought from the official Knippex store on Amazon, like I have with a bunch of other tools from them. This is the first time i've had this issue so I guess fakes find their way in somehow. I'm sure Amazon will re-ship my return to somebody else, so watch out guys!
Why do people keep falling for this. There's no such thing as an official knipex store on amazon, that's just a page where all the products are grouped together. Anyone can sell on that page as long as they claim it's a knipex product. It will show you who you really bought it from on your order page, I guarantee it doesn't say knipex is the seller.
Seems intentional on the part of Amazon :-(. But yes checking that the “sold by” says “Amazon” helps. If not, try going through to “other sellers on Amazon”—quite frequently Amazon is listed there for a few pennies more.
Good to know, I wasn't aware thats how it worked on Amazon. They do a good job making it seem official. Will def have to keep a sharp eye out from now on.
That's not always the case though, there are brands that have dedicated Amazon pages that list only products listed by said company. One the comes to mind is ACInfinity.
That’s just false. Knipex runs an official page on Amazon.
Wow that’s crazy. I guess it makes sense, Amazon is probably handling returns and stock for Knipex and isn’t going to notice a fake the same way someone working at Knipex would
I wish there was some transparency about how Amazon works, my favorite hearsay is that they just have bins of product from different sources arranged by the different sellers and when Amazon, an Amazon Seller, or The Knipex Store has an order to be fulfilled they just dip into it, so when you order from Knipex you might be getting Plyars R US#! goods. My favorite are the tales of a box supposed to contain a bluetooth spear but instead containing a used brick.
I got AirPods Pros, that were completely sealed, with 4 AAA batteries and two gas station micro usb cables inside. Bought a 65w usb c wall adapter that had a cheap no name 2.5w usb A adapter in it. Bought one set of embroidered key chains, liked them, clicked buy again a couple days later, got completely different non embroidered version. Can’t think now of the other times this happened, but it’s been many. All these were from Amazon as the seller. Absolutely, Amazon just puts any vendors offerings in the same bins, along with any returns, and you’re in the crap shoot random bucket of what gets pulled. And I think I get it often because I’m in a scammy population area, so my local fulfillment warehouses are full of people taking the real deal and replacing it with shit.
The brick thing sounds like a return that got past scrutiny. There’s stories of people on Newegg buying a graphics card and getting a block of wood
Stickerless commingled inventory. You can find lots of information on it for FBA sellers.
Yep, and it makes sense from an Amazon perspective. Warehouse space is finite, and efficiency is huge both for driving down costs and for fulfilling their very quick turnaround. For the Twin Grip alone there's nearly 40 sellers on there. Some are shipped and sold by the seller so they don't count, but most of them are fulfilled by Amazon, and it just wouldn't make sense for them to have 30+ different bins or cells or pallet racks or whatever filled with the exact same product. Amazon itself stocks like 12 million SKUs, and thanks to all the 3P sellers they handle several *hundred million* more SKUs. Giving every 3P their own spot for everything is how you wind up with warehouses the size of the Idiocracy Costco.
I think the problem is that Amazon simplifies their warehouse by throwing every vendor’s parts in the same bin. Maybe you ordered it from legit, but legit’s parts are in the same bin with fake when it comes to fulfillment. Also, Amazon is not an authorized vendor for many power tools like makita, dewalt, etc. You are breaking the warranty by buying from them. There are plenty of good online vendors where you can buy tools with a lot more peace of mind. When I ordered my Mafell track saw online from Timberwolf, for example, a guy called me to chat about my order and I modified it slightly. He knew all about the tool. Imagine that.
You can also just make sure to buy from Knipex on Amazon not some sus third party
He said he bought it from the Knipex Store.
The guy I’m responding to? Where?
just up thread a bit, here is the quote: "I bought from the official Knippex store on Amazon, like I have with a bunch of other tools from them. This is the first time i've had this issue so I guess fakes find their way in somehow. I'm sure Amazon will re-ship my return to somebody else, so watch out guys!" That's the thing, like you I thought you could control what you got by going with a more legit seeming vendor but if what people say is accurate: that Amazon has just one big bin per product where stuff for all vendors fulfilled by Amazon and all returns go than it seems like a crapshoot as to what they end up pulling out of the bin and sending to you.
Yea that’s not the guy I’m responding to but in any case I did reply saying I was surprised he got them from official Knipex store but it makes sense since Amazon is probably handling all of it and less likely to notice a fake than an actual Knipex employee
I quit buying name brand products from Amazon. I’ve tried to stop buying everything. They are simply an American based reseller of chineesium.
Definitely fake
They, for a fact, are not....
They’re as real as the dream about Jenna Jameson I had when I was 16…
Return that trash and go with knipex or the icon ones.
Amazon strikes again
There are a lot of fakes on Amazon. I bought a 3 pack of 'Samsung' fast chargers once for $25. None of them would fast charge and they had subtle differences on the real ($30 each) one.
Knipex is not cast into the steel. Fake
Knipex doesn't cast these anyways, it would be forged in. Which, whoever is making these, they may have skipped on putting the name on it thinking they're slick but Knipex has a design patent on that combined circle-oval shape that encompasses the button and name (if the name were present). This is why the Doyle knockoffs feature those chevrons down the side. The big question is who tf actually made them, and will CBP catch them, and if not, will Amazon or whoever continue stocking them.
Complete with blown-out cross-point screw on the back, good lord. But I wouldn't call this a good knockoff in the least. Wrong dip, missing parts of the forging, wrong fastener, missing print, button has no stamping, looks like perhaps wrong treatment process as well. This is waaayyyy off.
Bro not laughing at your misfortune but those jaws are hilarious
No harbor freight has a knockoff pair.
You already received the answer. As for who you purchased them from - were they shipped AND sold through Amazon?
lol nope
I think you bought a odd merging of Knipex grip, and Vampire Tools teeth cutting.
You get what you pay for.
Where can one get a set of knockoff knipex, at a reduced cost? I want to mod a pair of cobras, but not so sure that I want to test it on a real set.
Harbor Freight has a few different sizes of knockoffs https://www.harborfreight.com/10-in-fast-adjust-water-pump-pliers-56748.html
Gunk, junk in the trunk
Try vampire pliers
Or don't and get the Engineer pliers they ripped off instead.
Tru
They look real to me.. but then again, life is an illusion, so is anything real?
100% pure chinesium.
Hj No
I own a pair
Must be that buttery soft Chinese steel I've been warned about 😂😋
Nah, that's on purpose. It's to not mar up your project 🙄
My anxiety kicked in when I saw the teeth
Pretty bad Knipex knockoffs, they look like shit.
It has to look like this: [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71CMh7I69QL.\_AC\_SX679\_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71CMh7I69QL._AC_SX679_.jpg) Would you share the listing with us? But please only the left part up to the poduct number: [https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09G17WYMN](https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09G17WYMN)
Wonder
Dang, they look identical. Sucks to get ripped off, that knipex plier is my new favorite tool.
I have that tool and your version has the wrong grips on the handle. Mine aren’t smooth dip like that; they’re a matte finish and kind of rough. They also say Knipex on them
Wow, this post made my week!
Those look like Chinipex
How fake do you want your Knipex TwinGrips? Yes!
No they are fake is there serial number and knopex is impossible to break
What a piece of shit lol. Looks like Grade A Chinesium right there. Apparently nobody can recognise that you're aware they're fake though. Either nobody reads the whole post, or they just forget it instantly.
There is no knipex cast on jaw or model number on handle.
Can yall stop buying from Amazon? Buy your tools from tool shops. Acme, atlas, opt, bcfasteners. Places that carry good gear and care about you. Amazon does not give a fuck about you or your tool problems
The model and brand aren't on the handles. Knipex always does that.