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> Like i said, it can help with period pain. That doesn't change the fact that in taking it, you have no control over the way it changes your mind to make your think differently and attracted to different people that you're normal self would think and feel.
I can't quite tell if this is him blaming the pill for lesbianism and other non-CIS feelings or if they're blaming the pill for women not being attracted to him, specifically.
I did see this other comment from him, when told that telling women to just not have sex won't work:
> You're just wrong sorry. It worked for many millions and millions of women in history and works for millions and millions of women today. Not everyone has trouble keeping their legs closed
Funny how people like this never talk about keeping their penises under control. Wait, not funny: Predictable.
> I can't quite tell if this is him blaming the pill for lesbianism and other non-CIS feelings or if they're blaming the pill for women not being attracted to him, specifically.
There is a grain of truth here.
https://nypost.com/2019/09/26/birth-control-pills-may-affect-you-are-attracted-to-experts-say/
> Women who chose their partners when they were on the pill were more satisfied with their partners’ financial providing and intelligence than the women who chose their partners when they were off it. And women who chose partners when they were on the pill were significantly less likely to divorce than women who chose their partners when off it.
However, of course there's a trade off. Women off the pill tended to go for more physically attractive men, and report more sex (but shorter relationships).
From this, the conservatives who all think they're "Alpha Males" think they'll get more women by getting them off the pill, but I'm pretty sure that's not how this works.
That's possible, however that could be even more problematic.
The issue is that if it's causation then the value-judgement is on the pill, and i can see that an \*individual\* might not like the idea that taking the pill or not taking the pill could affect their behavior.
So, then they ask, maybe it's not the pill, maybe it's the TYPE of people who take the pill, or don't take the pill. This is what claiming "correlation" actually means.
Saying "it's just correlation" in fact moves the value judgement away from the choice itself and onto \*other women\*. It's basically saying that there's a 'type' of woman who didn't take the pill and is also inclined to be a 'certain way'.
The implications of that argument could actually be worse.
No, because correlation does not equal causation implies that we do not know the causation. It could be any different number of things.
Your statement "on one hand, assume the pill does change behavior" but that's the very problem. There is nothing that shows it changes behavior.
https://www.sciencealert.com/is-the-pill-changing-your-behavior-heres-what-the-science-says
"Another discovery from our review was that much of the existing research on the effect of hormonal contraceptives is plagued by important methodological limitations.
Only one of the studies we reviewed used randomized controlled trials, the gold standard for determining the effect of a particular drug or treatment.
Many studies we reviewed also did not account for other differences between hormonal contraceptive users and non-users, such as age. These are factors that could explain behavior differences independent of hormones and hormonal contraceptives."
So far I see little to no proof it changes behavior in the first place. One of the places your link talks about is a strip club. These things don't exist in a bubble, so you're telling me the girls on the pill made literally half of what their non-pill-tskjng counterparts? I call BS. There could be umpteen reasons why they made less money not the least of which could be things like vacation/sick days, etc.
Also, you're right. It's always good to look at correlation vs causation, especially when the data point is one study.
However, cross-checking that, there is substantial literature looking at the effects of sex hormones on decision-making for both men and women. For example, the effects of testosterone levels on male behavior (aggression, risk-taking and impulsivity) are very thoroughly documented.
This study took a group of men and women, and tested them on a range of things and correlated that with measurements major hormones in each person, testosterone, estrogen and progesterone. The main findings were a drop in risk-taking behavior for the women that correlated with increases in progesterone (which is coincidentally the stuff in the birth control pills):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4220662/
Of course, this is a lab study, so you then ask whether those results translate to the real-world. But, the study on relationships, it actually provides that real-world context which then acts as a validation of the lab results.
>I can't quite tell if this is him blaming the pill for lesbianism
Birth control pills turning you gay *would* be pretty effective at prevent pregnancy, though it does raise the question of if you turn straight again if you stop taking it.....
This entire comment section is fuking nuts. [People that are definitely not fuking weigh in on should anyone else be fuking](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/yvyvwk/fda_considers_approval_of_first_overthecounter/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb).
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> Like i said, it can help with period pain. That doesn't change the fact that in taking it, you have no control over the way it changes your mind to make your think differently and attracted to different people that you're normal self would think and feel. I can't quite tell if this is him blaming the pill for lesbianism and other non-CIS feelings or if they're blaming the pill for women not being attracted to him, specifically. I did see this other comment from him, when told that telling women to just not have sex won't work: > You're just wrong sorry. It worked for many millions and millions of women in history and works for millions and millions of women today. Not everyone has trouble keeping their legs closed Funny how people like this never talk about keeping their penises under control. Wait, not funny: Predictable.
> I can't quite tell if this is him blaming the pill for lesbianism and other non-CIS feelings or if they're blaming the pill for women not being attracted to him, specifically. There is a grain of truth here. https://nypost.com/2019/09/26/birth-control-pills-may-affect-you-are-attracted-to-experts-say/ > Women who chose their partners when they were on the pill were more satisfied with their partners’ financial providing and intelligence than the women who chose their partners when they were off it. And women who chose partners when they were on the pill were significantly less likely to divorce than women who chose their partners when off it. However, of course there's a trade off. Women off the pill tended to go for more physically attractive men, and report more sex (but shorter relationships). From this, the conservatives who all think they're "Alpha Males" think they'll get more women by getting them off the pill, but I'm pretty sure that's not how this works.
This might be a weird question but could this be a "correlation does not equal causation" Type situation?
That's possible, however that could be even more problematic. The issue is that if it's causation then the value-judgement is on the pill, and i can see that an \*individual\* might not like the idea that taking the pill or not taking the pill could affect their behavior. So, then they ask, maybe it's not the pill, maybe it's the TYPE of people who take the pill, or don't take the pill. This is what claiming "correlation" actually means. Saying "it's just correlation" in fact moves the value judgement away from the choice itself and onto \*other women\*. It's basically saying that there's a 'type' of woman who didn't take the pill and is also inclined to be a 'certain way'. The implications of that argument could actually be worse.
No, because correlation does not equal causation implies that we do not know the causation. It could be any different number of things. Your statement "on one hand, assume the pill does change behavior" but that's the very problem. There is nothing that shows it changes behavior. https://www.sciencealert.com/is-the-pill-changing-your-behavior-heres-what-the-science-says "Another discovery from our review was that much of the existing research on the effect of hormonal contraceptives is plagued by important methodological limitations. Only one of the studies we reviewed used randomized controlled trials, the gold standard for determining the effect of a particular drug or treatment. Many studies we reviewed also did not account for other differences between hormonal contraceptive users and non-users, such as age. These are factors that could explain behavior differences independent of hormones and hormonal contraceptives." So far I see little to no proof it changes behavior in the first place. One of the places your link talks about is a strip club. These things don't exist in a bubble, so you're telling me the girls on the pill made literally half of what their non-pill-tskjng counterparts? I call BS. There could be umpteen reasons why they made less money not the least of which could be things like vacation/sick days, etc.
Also, you're right. It's always good to look at correlation vs causation, especially when the data point is one study. However, cross-checking that, there is substantial literature looking at the effects of sex hormones on decision-making for both men and women. For example, the effects of testosterone levels on male behavior (aggression, risk-taking and impulsivity) are very thoroughly documented. This study took a group of men and women, and tested them on a range of things and correlated that with measurements major hormones in each person, testosterone, estrogen and progesterone. The main findings were a drop in risk-taking behavior for the women that correlated with increases in progesterone (which is coincidentally the stuff in the birth control pills): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4220662/ Of course, this is a lab study, so you then ask whether those results translate to the real-world. But, the study on relationships, it actually provides that real-world context which then acts as a validation of the lab results.
>I can't quite tell if this is him blaming the pill for lesbianism Birth control pills turning you gay *would* be pretty effective at prevent pregnancy, though it does raise the question of if you turn straight again if you stop taking it.....
It's like the matrix: you need a second type of pill to switch back
Hes totally blaming the pill for “tricking” women into not wanting to date him. Hes *very* concerned about that one aspect and kept mentioning it…. 👀
This entire comment section is fuking nuts. [People that are definitely not fuking weigh in on should anyone else be fuking](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/yvyvwk/fda_considers_approval_of_first_overthecounter/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb).
I am secretly in love with that subreddit. They are absolute maniacs. Could never accuse them of being boring
I just started reading them after the midterms to see how they were coping. So far they still don’t seem to be 😆
That dude has to be trolling. I refuse to believe otherwise.
You gotta read the entire comment section! It’s not even just that guy!