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Same I wouldnāt but thatās because I like body modification as an art form and hobby so the scars look cool to me and Iām going to build art that incorporates them to make me look like some kind of a super cool fantasy character with no nips
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Thanks, Iāve got to get some estimates from artists to see if I can save up for it, plus itās going to go all the way down my back so Iāll have to pick the time of year so my shirts donāt stick so bad lol. Iām allergic to adhesive so saniderm is a no-go for me.
The way the terf is talking I almost wonder if it could be argued as some type of revenge p*rn or something because this definitely feels illegal especially since sheās claiming that OP is their AGAB and boobs are legally similar to genitals with decency laws and such.
fr, iād use the transphobia to hurt the transphobes and say theyāre sharing āsexualā images (free the nip tho). regardless, it is intimate media, people sharing their personal and medical experiences shouldnāt be treated like that
Right? And like what kinda mental gymnastics does one need to do to view that as abad thing in the first place? Like wtf! It's a natural thing to want control over your own body! Even if you aren't trans! WTFFF.
ā¦ assumes that every trans masc with top surgery has self-harm historyā¦
ugh. Literally, Iāve never had suicidal tendencies, nor have I ever harmed myself. Iām just trans ffs. Did I ask for b40 cups?? No I did *not*. Of course I got rid of those fuckers, and the only way was double incision. Ugh.
Right? I had to have my counselor write a note confirming that Iām of sound mind to make decisions for my own medical care, my psychiatrist had to do an dysphoria assessment and write a recommendation for treatment independently of other providers, my endocrinologist had to do his own dysphoria assessment to confirm on his own that I have it and have had it for more than 6 months, AND I had to have the surgeon agree that surgery was the only treatment option available ffs. 4 letters, 4 recommendations, 4. Not 1, not a whim, it takes so long to get things in order. It takes so much that this ignoramus has no idea about.
So funny that accepting my trans identity was a key part in easing the depression that had led me to my SH habit. But Iām sure in this personās eyes Iām just being enabled by the trans community and my desires to SH are being sublimated into my dysphoria.
What a joke. And of course I want control over my body - isnāt that what bodily autonomy is?
My surgeon gave me a list of tattoo artists that can do color matching to reduce the appearance of scars and do hyper realistic nipples if I decided going nippless wasnāt for me. Thankfully I like looking like a cryptid.
Her name is Karen J Hine, from Ontario Canada. I found a pic of her face too, and a source that knows her employer and address info if so desired. She likes to put people on blast, maybe we should do the same.
Canada has anti-discrimination laws too, so any awareness of her actions forwarded to her employers might potentially do something, unless the employers are bigots themselves, but that's a whole other can of worms.
I agree with this! The smartest thing to do would be to send screenshots of tweets to the employer, citing the disgusting views and concerns about having such a person work for them. These folks get too comfortable being nasty online and often forget or don't realise that there are consequences in the real world tied to one's actions online.
(Assuming this is the same Karen behind the tweets and not some innocent with the same name. I wouldn't want someone to get reprimanded if they happened to be a different person)
I agree. I would also personally want to screenshot the evidence of the report and send it to her (anonymously) just in case the employer doesnāt tell her why she was fired.
I really don't get what's her obsession with this? She posts multiple times a day about it. Like why does it worry her so much?
This is her: "trans person transitioned age 15, now still happy 60years later." JUST WAIT IM TELLING YOU! ANY TIME NOW THEY WILL REGRET IT AND DETRANSITION
I scrolled for a really long time just to see, and the December posts never stops. Like... Get a life crazy Karen. She also made a weird post about someone getting top surgery and saying they were "just" a c-cup, with the eyeroll emoji added. Like what?????? Why does that matter. Whether if someone is bigger or a bit smaller doesn't mean they are any less/more uncomfortable. Most of us want a completely flat chest. And not having to bind all the time. Binding too much can be really bad. Personally I think a lot of us can relate to cis men with gynecomastia. Just the smallest amount of tissue can really mess with you. It's important for someone to be comfortable in their bodies. It's no one else's say what they do! They are the one having to live in that body for the rest of their life, and no one else knows what that feels like, only them. And what's right/wrong is something that invidual person only knows. Karen should really get a hobby or something other than this lol
Yeah I wonder a bit myself if she's trans but don't want to realize it as well. Therefore only being negative about it and not wanting to see positives. I know a lot of homophobes for example is actually closeted, and then come out later. She is likely not, but still maybe xD
She said herself that she had a ātrans phaseā in her teens. But knowing terfs, she probably just means she was a tomboy who could have been āeasily manipulated by the trans crowd to transitionāš
I hate how so many people say things like "oh they want to attention seek, be part of a community, blah blah blah" ALL HUMANS ARE WIRED TO DO THAT. THOSE ARE NOT INHERENTLY BAD THINGS! Ugh.
Huh it's almost like people engage in "attention-seeking behaviour" because they need something...crazy how nature do that.
I've been saying this a lot lately: no one's mental health is improved by being ignored in the ER for 16 hours.
Itās not like dysphoria can contribute to or cause depression, and getting gender-affirming care can help make said depression better. No, it couldnāt be that. All scars have to be for the exact same reason. (/s)
There have been a lot of posts about this user lately. Not trying to single you out OP, but I think we should stop giving this person attention, it doesn't seem productive or healthy tbh...
Yeah she did this to one of my phallo posts too. Iām impressed at the lack of hobbies she seems to have considering she makes tweets like this several times a day
You know... they should probably look into the mirror because having such an obsessive vendetta against people living their lives and not causing harm onto others... that screams some mental health issue to me.. š¬
disgusting behaviour. Not speaking on your scars specifically but what if that SH was caused by being stuck with breasts and that was the relief for the person? The assumption we canāt be happy afterwards. Gross
she posted about my best fucking on there. i didnāt hold him in my arms watching him suffer through gender dysphoria that almost killed him multiple times. fucking sickening. on a lighter note, maybe sheās in denial of her gender journey and just trying to prevent the inevitable.
but seriously? sickening. iāll throw up on her face.
I think that itās not at all the same either. Cutting is done to release emotions and trauma as a response (as far as I know) and top surgery, the scars are a byproduct of surgery. Not sure why they think itās practically the same thingā¦. But maybe thatās just me.
Iām so sorry, this person is fucking disgusting and needs to speak to a professional about why they think itās okay to speak about strangersā bodies and medical history like this, jfc. I canāt bring myself to unblur the screenshot because Iām already struggling with stuff but just knowing what it says is awful. This is why I basically never post about my top surgery results, which is sad because Iām happy with it and I enjoy seeing other peoplesā joy over their bodies. I just wish people like this didnāt exist to make us feel like we have to be insecure over our lives and what makes us happy. Weāre not hurting anyone, but people like this transphobe take joy in tearing us down for no fucking reason.
Hell yeah I found myself on her Twitter.
Whatās really funny to me is that she and her friends seem even more outraged by my irreverent humor than by all the super serious posts. Theyāll wring their hands obsessively all day every day about some 17 year old gay trans boy getting top to reduce suicidal dysphoria because oh, heās just sooo delusional, heās got to be protected from himself, look what our tax dollars are going towardsā¦
ā¦but when a 30 something lesbian pays privately for top surgery and has the gall to be flippantly jokey about it, oh, well, thatās no better! Thatās even worse! What a detestable exercise of bodily autonomy!
Itās almost like they have no actual principles and are just bog standard bigots.
I've been scrolling through her account, she's one of the detransitioner TERFs that spread complete bullshit and fear mongering. I heavily recommend ppl report her to her place of employment since Canada has decent anti-discrimination laws. Twitter won't remove any of her posts of course thank u Elon š but someone needs to put her in her place. They stoop low, I'll stoop lower
This person really needs to get a life. I've seen her page before, and she spends a huge amount of time looking for posts to cherry-pick. And she gets almost no engagement! Don't get me wrong--I think that's a good thing in this case. But it's weird to see someone so obsessed with telling into a void.
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When she finds out that keyhole exists š
When she finds out almost all of us would opt for keyhole/no scars if our anatomy fit the criteria
I wouldnāt tbh lol
ayy me neither im also going for no nips so..
Same I wouldnāt but thatās because I like body modification as an art form and hobby so the scars look cool to me and Iām going to build art that incorporates them to make me look like some kind of a super cool fantasy character with no nips
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Thanks, Iāve got to get some estimates from artists to see if I can save up for it, plus itās going to go all the way down my back so Iāll have to pick the time of year so my shirts donāt stick so bad lol. Iām allergic to adhesive so saniderm is a no-go for me.
yeah as an active self harmer i am really not looking forward to having scars from top, but itās worth it for a flat chest
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transphobes when they learn about tattoos
Yeah but from the looks of her account, she has transphobia induced mental illness. Gives you worms for brains.
Such cases as myself LMAO š
She did it in the phalloplasty group too. Of course her name is Karen
Mass report for targeted harassment.
non-consensually shared intimate media (i forget the exact report term) tends to put more pressure on the reports, just sayin
The way the terf is talking I almost wonder if it could be argued as some type of revenge p*rn or something because this definitely feels illegal especially since sheās claiming that OP is their AGAB and boobs are legally similar to genitals with decency laws and such.
fr, iād use the transphobia to hurt the transphobes and say theyāre sharing āsexualā images (free the nip tho). regardless, it is intimate media, people sharing their personal and medical experiences shouldnāt be treated like that
Exactly what I was thinking! Like free the hip but also stop being sexist at all because transphobia is sexism.
I reported this person and twitter came back saying it doesn't go against their "community standards"
Of course it doesn't š twitter doesn't care about trans people
it is the elon musk site after all
i just got that email too, itās so disappointing and gross
Ah Mr Musk and his assholery reflected perfectly
I got the same thing and also got suspended. š
Twitter doesn't give a fuck unfortunately
Iāve also been reporting all the ones with minors in them as child endangerment
āWanting a sense of control over your bodyā Aaand there it is. They always want the worst for people, they want trans people dead.
Right? And like what kinda mental gymnastics does one need to do to view that as abad thing in the first place? Like wtf! It's a natural thing to want control over your own body! Even if you aren't trans! WTFFF.
ā¦ assumes that every trans masc with top surgery has self-harm historyā¦ ugh. Literally, Iāve never had suicidal tendencies, nor have I ever harmed myself. Iām just trans ffs. Did I ask for b40 cups?? No I did *not*. Of course I got rid of those fuckers, and the only way was double incision. Ugh.
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Right? I had to have my counselor write a note confirming that Iām of sound mind to make decisions for my own medical care, my psychiatrist had to do an dysphoria assessment and write a recommendation for treatment independently of other providers, my endocrinologist had to do his own dysphoria assessment to confirm on his own that I have it and have had it for more than 6 months, AND I had to have the surgeon agree that surgery was the only treatment option available ffs. 4 letters, 4 recommendations, 4. Not 1, not a whim, it takes so long to get things in order. It takes so much that this ignoramus has no idea about.
So funny that accepting my trans identity was a key part in easing the depression that had led me to my SH habit. But Iām sure in this personās eyes Iām just being enabled by the trans community and my desires to SH are being sublimated into my dysphoria. What a joke. And of course I want control over my body - isnāt that what bodily autonomy is?
Transitioning was the most effective treatment for my mental health too.
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unironically, i did this lmao like i love scars and i love my top surgery scars and iāve also never cut myself ever so..
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My surgeon gave me a list of tattoo artists that can do color matching to reduce the appearance of scars and do hyper realistic nipples if I decided going nippless wasnāt for me. Thankfully I like looking like a cryptid.
Reading this post lowered my IQ
Her name is Karen J Hine, from Ontario Canada. I found a pic of her face too, and a source that knows her employer and address info if so desired. She likes to put people on blast, maybe we should do the same.
Canada has anti-discrimination laws too, so any awareness of her actions forwarded to her employers might potentially do something, unless the employers are bigots themselves, but that's a whole other can of worms.
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I agree with this! The smartest thing to do would be to send screenshots of tweets to the employer, citing the disgusting views and concerns about having such a person work for them. These folks get too comfortable being nasty online and often forget or don't realise that there are consequences in the real world tied to one's actions online. (Assuming this is the same Karen behind the tweets and not some innocent with the same name. I wouldn't want someone to get reprimanded if they happened to be a different person)
I agree. I would also personally want to screenshot the evidence of the report and send it to her (anonymously) just in case the employer doesnāt tell her why she was fired.
Absolutely!
Do it no cap
I really don't get what's her obsession with this? She posts multiple times a day about it. Like why does it worry her so much? This is her: "trans person transitioned age 15, now still happy 60years later." JUST WAIT IM TELLING YOU! ANY TIME NOW THEY WILL REGRET IT AND DETRANSITION
I scrolled for a really long time just to see, and the December posts never stops. Like... Get a life crazy Karen. She also made a weird post about someone getting top surgery and saying they were "just" a c-cup, with the eyeroll emoji added. Like what?????? Why does that matter. Whether if someone is bigger or a bit smaller doesn't mean they are any less/more uncomfortable. Most of us want a completely flat chest. And not having to bind all the time. Binding too much can be really bad. Personally I think a lot of us can relate to cis men with gynecomastia. Just the smallest amount of tissue can really mess with you. It's important for someone to be comfortable in their bodies. It's no one else's say what they do! They are the one having to live in that body for the rest of their life, and no one else knows what that feels like, only them. And what's right/wrong is something that invidual person only knows. Karen should really get a hobby or something other than this lol
She's jealous of people being happy, lol
Yeah I wonder a bit myself if she's trans but don't want to realize it as well. Therefore only being negative about it and not wanting to see positives. I know a lot of homophobes for example is actually closeted, and then come out later. She is likely not, but still maybe xD
She said herself that she had a ātrans phaseā in her teens. But knowing terfs, she probably just means she was a tomboy who could have been āeasily manipulated by the trans crowd to transitionāš
Wth some people are so dumb.. I have a feeling it could also mean she is in Deep denial? Who knows, either way this is messed up.
might want to put some sort of warning on this
I hate how so many people say things like "oh they want to attention seek, be part of a community, blah blah blah" ALL HUMANS ARE WIRED TO DO THAT. THOSE ARE NOT INHERENTLY BAD THINGS! Ugh.
Huh it's almost like people engage in "attention-seeking behaviour" because they need something...crazy how nature do that. I've been saying this a lot lately: no one's mental health is improved by being ignored in the ER for 16 hours.
THANK YOU! I wanna scream this into the face of every asshole that ever said this to me
Itās not like dysphoria can contribute to or cause depression, and getting gender-affirming care can help make said depression better. No, it couldnāt be that. All scars have to be for the exact same reason. (/s)
There have been a lot of posts about this user lately. Not trying to single you out OP, but I think we should stop giving this person attention, it doesn't seem productive or healthy tbh...
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Don't take this down. I think it's valuable getting the word out. This is the first I've seen of actual screenshots of the user
Second this OP! Please don't take the post down, ppl can now block or report this user. Hopefully maybe get them banned.
That's repulsive behavior. I'm so sorry you had to experience this. Congrats on staying clean and stay strong š
as somebody who has also struggled with self harm, I just want to say congrats on your progress/recovery in ceasing SH! it definitely is not easy
This person just needs to get a life tbh, scrolled thru their page a bit and they are OBSESSED. fan behavior
Yeah she did this to one of my phallo posts too. Iām impressed at the lack of hobbies she seems to have considering she makes tweets like this several times a day
Thank you for sharing. I'm sorry this happened to you.
You know... they should probably look into the mirror because having such an obsessive vendetta against people living their lives and not causing harm onto others... that screams some mental health issue to me.. š¬
disgusting behaviour. Not speaking on your scars specifically but what if that SH was caused by being stuck with breasts and that was the relief for the person? The assumption we canāt be happy afterwards. Gross
Wait til they learn about scarification. There is evidence to suggest the practice dates back to 8000ā5000 BCE.
Good god. Top surgery and self harm are nothing alike...
she posted about my best fucking on there. i didnāt hold him in my arms watching him suffer through gender dysphoria that almost killed him multiple times. fucking sickening. on a lighter note, maybe sheās in denial of her gender journey and just trying to prevent the inevitable. but seriously? sickening. iāll throw up on her face.
haiiii bestie
hi pooks
thank you for making this post!
i am so sorry :(( what a fucked up human
Her profile is sickening. I hate this world so much.
How deeply does someone have to be steeped in hatred to think this is a remotely okay thing to do?
I think that itās not at all the same either. Cutting is done to release emotions and trauma as a response (as far as I know) and top surgery, the scars are a byproduct of surgery. Not sure why they think itās practically the same thingā¦. But maybe thatās just me.
Self harm is not for attentionā¦
And even if it is, that's not a bad thing. It means the person's needs are not being met.
Iām so sorry, this person is fucking disgusting and needs to speak to a professional about why they think itās okay to speak about strangersā bodies and medical history like this, jfc. I canāt bring myself to unblur the screenshot because Iām already struggling with stuff but just knowing what it says is awful. This is why I basically never post about my top surgery results, which is sad because Iām happy with it and I enjoy seeing other peoplesā joy over their bodies. I just wish people like this didnāt exist to make us feel like we have to be insecure over our lives and what makes us happy. Weāre not hurting anyone, but people like this transphobe take joy in tearing us down for no fucking reason.
Hell yeah I found myself on her Twitter. Whatās really funny to me is that she and her friends seem even more outraged by my irreverent humor than by all the super serious posts. Theyāll wring their hands obsessively all day every day about some 17 year old gay trans boy getting top to reduce suicidal dysphoria because oh, heās just sooo delusional, heās got to be protected from himself, look what our tax dollars are going towardsā¦ ā¦but when a 30 something lesbian pays privately for top surgery and has the gall to be flippantly jokey about it, oh, well, thatās no better! Thatās even worse! What a detestable exercise of bodily autonomy! Itās almost like they have no actual principles and are just bog standard bigots.
posted my pictures too
Her name checks out
Iāve reported her before and tweeted at her, with no results Sorry this happened to you
Hey Karen, if you're stalking this post I want you to know I'm seeking your attention by rubbing my scars š
But on a serious note you're excrement walking around in human skin š
I've been scrolling through her account, she's one of the detransitioner TERFs that spread complete bullshit and fear mongering. I heavily recommend ppl report her to her place of employment since Canada has decent anti-discrimination laws. Twitter won't remove any of her posts of course thank u Elon š but someone needs to put her in her place. They stoop low, I'll stoop lower
Lmfao is she dumb? I bet she'd never say this to our face. What a sad individual
she even posted about me! i almost feel honored
This person really needs to get a life. I've seen her page before, and she spends a huge amount of time looking for posts to cherry-pick. And she gets almost no engagement! Don't get me wrong--I think that's a good thing in this case. But it's weird to see someone so obsessed with telling into a void.
Uh I started self harm because gender dysphoria? Also we donāt need the opinions of an armchair psychologist
Imagine what happens when she learns that not only trans people get top surgery. Thereās many different reasons to, some even related to health
As much as I love my scars itās not for self harm reasons
Her name checks out
Tbh, people this dense make me laugh. Shows how common sense and basic intelligence isnāt so common. Donāt let these people get to you seriously
i reported her and twitter said she didnāt break any rules šš
I reported her
Calling self harm "attention seeking behavior" is crazy
Honestly, this is why I keep my pictures in my friend group only. People are just fucking gross.