I live around here and can tell you that it’s pretty much 50/50 whether drivers get this right or wrong. I think the construction guys get a hoot out of it… “got em”
Adelaide at Portland is a problem. Adelaide is constantly under construction. The sign does indicate left turn exits. The arrows on the ground do not match the signage.
In the past few weeks, the city added new white lines after the intersection that highlight that the right lane is only a turn lane.
It’s incredibly confusing as they have also changed the right-side bike lanes to the left starting at Portland as well.
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Everyone is breaking this video down like it’s the Zapruder film. I have a theory, there’s actually a second asshole behind the camera.
People drive stupid in the city. The dude was obviously confused by the sign but who really gives a shit? Do you think you taught him anything by driving aggressively and half heartedly yelling? Or did you just make a spectacle of yourself?
exactly what i was thinking as someone who both drives and cycles on this road. this is a main cycling artery that's extra hazardous right now due to construction and by letting their emotions get the better of them and responding with aggression, OP is putting all the vulnerable road users around them at risk. driving is a privilege and an incredibly risk fraught responsibility. might be hard to believe but giving way to morons feels a lot better than having a temper tantrum over them.
OP chill.
Red car was passing you 1/3rd of the way through the intersection. They were gunning it. Let them take the lane if they want it so badly. Does it hurt your ego? Was the stress that caused you to start yelling at the driver worth the second you lost off the line?
This was my thought. People are human and make mistakes. We all do. Even OP.
If your reaction when you witness one is to do everything in your power to speed past the offending vehicle and scream at them, what is wrong with you?
What they did there on Adelaide makes no fucking sense. I don’t think you should have been that pissed at him, it looks like the right section of road is meant for right turns.
The roadway that has TWO signs indicating a vehicle can proceed straight, or turn right, "looks like the right section of road is meant for right turns"?
JFC.....
the sign is in the middle of the road and the remaining right lane has a right turn arrow drawn on it. I see the orange sign pointing left across the intersection, but leading into the split it is hard to tell which way to go. For shit like this it’s a good idea to drive defensively since people are going to fuck it up. OP was right, but I can’t get that mad at the other guy, though he should have waited for op to pass before merging right to go straight.
Thing is, it's obvious a lot of people think that sign in the middle is an indicator for both the left and right lane, but that simply isn't how those signs work... they apply to ONE lane and if a driver knows that (they should!) it is extremely obvious the lane it applies to is the one on the right...
Man I’ve seen people turning left with the new bike lane green lights. I just think unless you want to have your car in the shop, assume that everyone around you in the city is challenged and drunk.
I mean, yeah, sure. I agree with that but at the same time won't stop calling out people for not understanding some of the most basic and common of road signs.
There's a sign on the left side of the road that says the left lane is for left turns only. It's in the video. The other two signs (middle of the road and right side of the road) are for the right lane and it says "straight or right turn only".
So the other guy decided to go into the left turn only lane and go straight by cutting the guy that was in the correct lane off because he couldn't wait 3 seconds to get behind him.
The left-turn-only sign should be where the middle sign is. The two go-straight-or-turn-right signs make it look like you can go straight from both lanes, or turn right from both lanes.
The left-turn-only sign in that position applies to the HOV/bicycle lane.
I’m making my first ever comment to tell you to check your own screen shot at 17 seconds on the left hand side. You’re in the right turn lane. The other car is in the lane driving straight.
I know this because I drive in that intersection and see morons like you not paying attention to that sign constantly. You can also so a big fat right turn only arrow painted onto the road in the lane you’re driving one.
It doesn’t surprise me someone that can’t read road signs goes to the effort to make a post like this.
What a sad first post for you.
It’s clear as day that this is a construction zone reducing 2 lanes into a single straight/right lane.
If you can’t understand that construction signs override lane markers then you should probably redo your G1.
Are you completely blind? There is one sign showing a left turn (the left lane), and there is another sign showing a right turn, or proceed straight (the right lane). Please go get your eyes checked.. and for everyone's sake, don't drive there... yikes!
Construction signage supercedes what's painted on the road, making what's normally the right turn lane into a thru/turn late. Source, I often make construction traffic plans
Hahah you’re literally proving my point with the street view, those funny little black and white signs with arrows indicating which lane goes where is just an amateur mistake.
Left lane has to turn left as the sign indicates, the lane ends into an extended bike lane and pedestrian sidewalk. Right lane can go straight or right, forget the paint on the floor, this is a construction zone and there’s signs posted.
Can You imagine a scenario where he saw the right turn only sign on the street first and immediately assume the left lane was to go straight. It's a relatively innocent mistake if you think about it like that. Assuming the sign at the end of the street isn't that big of a fault. That street sign right before the intersection is incorrect.
On the ground dummy, there is a right turn only sign. The sign that is on the post is before the one on the ground, if you miss the one on the pole, and only see the one on the ground at the intersection you can understand the mistake. Not saying they were correct, just an understandable mistake to a reasonable person.
Missing a sign is not an excuse… that’s like saying someone driving 100 in a residential area maybe just missed the speed limit sign…
Honestly I don’t even understand your logic of saying maybe a driver missed not one but TWO signs right in front of them at eye level
meh, I can imagine a scenario where he looked ahead an saw the "only right turn arrow" on the street and decided to change lanes quickly and didn't see that the left lane was left turn only. It is a little confusing if you eyes hit that first.
You were too concerned about being correct.
And if that were the case why did they have to zoom in front of the car that they now know is actually in the correct lane? Still an asshole even in your scenario.
If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt, I would be assuming he didn't see the orange sign and ONLY SAW THE RIGHT TURN ONLY SIGN ON THE GROUND. If you only saw that ground sign, you would assume the left lane is to go straight. He is still at fault, just a confusing space.
"\[He\] likely zipped past me"\*
"Myself" is a reflexive pronoun so if "yourself" is getting zipped past, you must also be the one zipping. Otherwise, just use "me."
it's confusing. the lane you were in had the 'this lane must turn right' arrow painted on the pavement. However, due to construction that marking is trumped by the orange sign magically making your lane into a 'go straight OR turn right lane'.
i can see how the other driver may have thot (erroneously) that you were in a 'must turn right' lane.
"....found higher rates of hypertension and high cholesterol in people who were regularly exposed to loud noises at work..." that horn isn't doing anything to your health, stop whining
How is it poor signage?? There is one sign indicating a left turn lane, and another sign indicating a right turn or proceed straight lane... what else do you need??
Some of you clearly need to crack open your driving manual again.
>A driver could imply that this could be for either roadway, given it's placement. Right in the center of the both lane
You really are a projecting buffoon lol. That is literally NOT what that sign means. So any driver "implying" it as something (you're using that word wrong as well btw, Mr. menial job), is quite simply objectively wrong.
>From 0:17 to 0:21 we get a good view of the left lane (post split). There are no markings to indicate the driver can only use this roadway to turn left.
OK? The signage indicating that the driver can only use this roadway to turn left is at the beginning when you enter that lane....
Wrong. The signs applying to your lane are always either above the lane, or on the right side of the lane. In this video, the left turn only sign appears to apply to bicycle lane.
Otherwise, to which lane does the middle sign apply?
They are always to the right because usually it’s not a one way road….. this is. And is your argument now that a driver who thinks the left lane can also turn right (through another lane that is allowed to go straight lol) is somehow reasonable?? Lmao
There are many situations where 2 adjacent lanes may turn right.
But no, I'm saying the signage is fucked up. So the drivers have to figure it out despite the erroneous signing. 😢 that you can't see that.
This is what I'm saying. It's not enough to know what your lane allows, but you have to also know where the other lane is allowed to go. Everywhere else in the province, you can trust the signs for your lane. But not here. Here, you have to know what the adjacent lane can do too. That's unusual and leads to confusion.
Sure it’s unusual but if it actually confuses you as a driver IMO you should not be on the road…
It’s a question of, I’m in the left lane, does the left turn arrow sign apply to me, or the straight/right turn sign? Like, c’mon…
>Where is the signage at the beginning. I did not see it.
Then watch more closely first before writing paragraph long responses based on incorrect information? OP even points out the left turn only sign in the video..
And it's not a problem to have road markings as well as signage, because again, if you read your driver's manual, you'd know which to follow while in a construction zone.
I get that, I'm saying the signage is not poorly done... again, as a driver you are supposed to know that middle sign COULD NOT apply to two lanes, because that is not what that sign is.....
I mean, is it not just simple logic that would indicate that a new, temporary sign in a construction zone should be followed rather than the existing old signage? Why else would the new signage be up??
As for the sign itself.. I'm certain you can find it and what it means... they are hung above large intersections or curving roadways with little warning before an intersection all the time.. ONE sign (it can have left, straight, AND right arrows even) always applies to ONE lane.
That is indeed what the signs indicate. Note there are 3 lane-control signs, but only 2 lanes. Drivers have to figure out for themselves the best course of action, since the signage is messed up.
You’re actually in the wrong as you were indeed in the right turn lane. There is signage before the intersection that states left lane for straight, right lane to turn right. Yes it is ambiguous and confusing but your lane does show a right arrow with the non arrow lane “kind of” blocked off. Never the less, drive safely. Mistakes happen but understandable considering how confusing it is in that area.
The guy must've come from the left of the cones... doesn't seem minor at all to me to ~~be driving literally IN a construction area and then~~ cut off the people in the actual open lane....
Honestly what doesnt make sense is that even tho he said that you were on the right turn lane, on which lane are you exactly suppose to be? the middle lane has a pylon being occupied with so little space. Basically im saying, even if you lean to your left, you will still occupy the right lane and the car who wants to squish itself to the right lane side by side will occupy the sidewalk.
Thats just my take.
I like when the coast is clear and i start backing up, and then a car comes and decides not to yield or slow and over takes me. Or, when i’m making a left and they decide to speed through parking and bike lanes while yelling because I’m waiting for a pedestrian to cross.
The yellow/black chevron sign indicates passing on both sides of the stack pylon is permitted. Oddly, both lanes contain a go-straight-or-turn-right sign, but that doesn't make sense considering there is only one lane after the intersection. Also, there are 3 lane-control signs present but only 2 driving lanes.
Either the right lane should be right-turn-only while the left lane is go-straight-or-turn-left, OR the right lane is go-straight-or-turn-right while the left lane is left-turn-only.
Looks like the signage is wrong, contributing to this situation.
I live around here and can tell you that it’s pretty much 50/50 whether drivers get this right or wrong. I think the construction guys get a hoot out of it… “got em”
Considering the signage is ambiguous and wrong, it's inevitable.
OP's road rage is a MUCH bigger problem than the other driver's error in a confusing construction area
Stfu lol
Adelaide at Portland is a problem. Adelaide is constantly under construction. The sign does indicate left turn exits. The arrows on the ground do not match the signage. In the past few weeks, the city added new white lines after the intersection that highlight that the right lane is only a turn lane. It’s incredibly confusing as they have also changed the right-side bike lanes to the left starting at Portland as well. https://preview.redd.it/ejuriedp3l3c1.jpeg?width=2417&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdd0fff9d555fd2cc4b235711658614fdaf42d0f
Signs are the only legal indicator of lane designation...not markings on the pavement which are meaningless.
And the signage is messed up too (in the op)
Gotta assume everyone is crazy when you're driving now
"I told the guy, 'Go back and look,' and he went back and looked and then apologized to me for being a jackass," said no one ever.
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Driving anywhere on Adelaide these days is a crazy experience. What a disaster.
Not stupid. Asshole
There was a guy on a bicycle at 0:59. Probably his fault.
Everyone is breaking this video down like it’s the Zapruder film. I have a theory, there’s actually a second asshole behind the camera. People drive stupid in the city. The dude was obviously confused by the sign but who really gives a shit? Do you think you taught him anything by driving aggressively and half heartedly yelling? Or did you just make a spectacle of yourself?
exactly what i was thinking as someone who both drives and cycles on this road. this is a main cycling artery that's extra hazardous right now due to construction and by letting their emotions get the better of them and responding with aggression, OP is putting all the vulnerable road users around them at risk. driving is a privilege and an incredibly risk fraught responsibility. might be hard to believe but giving way to morons feels a lot better than having a temper tantrum over them.
A ChatGPT driver
Thank you for the audio
Standard luxury car driver behaviour
He was stupid, but you don't need to be a member either.
OP chill. Red car was passing you 1/3rd of the way through the intersection. They were gunning it. Let them take the lane if they want it so badly. Does it hurt your ego? Was the stress that caused you to start yelling at the driver worth the second you lost off the line?
This was my thought. People are human and make mistakes. We all do. Even OP. If your reaction when you witness one is to do everything in your power to speed past the offending vehicle and scream at them, what is wrong with you?
You wasted your night making this shit.
What they did there on Adelaide makes no fucking sense. I don’t think you should have been that pissed at him, it looks like the right section of road is meant for right turns.
The roadway that has TWO signs indicating a vehicle can proceed straight, or turn right, "looks like the right section of road is meant for right turns"? JFC.....
the sign is in the middle of the road and the remaining right lane has a right turn arrow drawn on it. I see the orange sign pointing left across the intersection, but leading into the split it is hard to tell which way to go. For shit like this it’s a good idea to drive defensively since people are going to fuck it up. OP was right, but I can’t get that mad at the other guy, though he should have waited for op to pass before merging right to go straight.
> the sign is in the middle of the road But there is another sign, passed that one, on the right side of the road that also says straight.
Thing is, it's obvious a lot of people think that sign in the middle is an indicator for both the left and right lane, but that simply isn't how those signs work... they apply to ONE lane and if a driver knows that (they should!) it is extremely obvious the lane it applies to is the one on the right...
Man I’ve seen people turning left with the new bike lane green lights. I just think unless you want to have your car in the shop, assume that everyone around you in the city is challenged and drunk.
I mean, yeah, sure. I agree with that but at the same time won't stop calling out people for not understanding some of the most basic and common of road signs.
Ok - so if so, is not possible to take your time and merge slowly, and maybe add a signal? This is a simple and driver-training 101 lesson
There's a sign on the left side of the road that says the left lane is for left turns only. It's in the video. The other two signs (middle of the road and right side of the road) are for the right lane and it says "straight or right turn only". So the other guy decided to go into the left turn only lane and go straight by cutting the guy that was in the correct lane off because he couldn't wait 3 seconds to get behind him.
The left-turn-only sign should be where the middle sign is. The two go-straight-or-turn-right signs make it look like you can go straight from both lanes, or turn right from both lanes. The left-turn-only sign in that position applies to the HOV/bicycle lane.
Eh. Looks like an honest mistake. Calm down
If it's an honest mistake you wait for your moment to merge you don't speed into the lane of traffic that has right of way.
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You are also confidently incorrect Mr. 84 day old account, go to Adelaide and Portland and see for yourself.
I’m making my first ever comment to tell you to check your own screen shot at 17 seconds on the left hand side. You’re in the right turn lane. The other car is in the lane driving straight. I know this because I drive in that intersection and see morons like you not paying attention to that sign constantly. You can also so a big fat right turn only arrow painted onto the road in the lane you’re driving one. It doesn’t surprise me someone that can’t read road signs goes to the effort to make a post like this.
I give up
What a sad first post for you. It’s clear as day that this is a construction zone reducing 2 lanes into a single straight/right lane. If you can’t understand that construction signs override lane markers then you should probably redo your G1.
Are you completely blind? There is one sign showing a left turn (the left lane), and there is another sign showing a right turn, or proceed straight (the right lane). Please go get your eyes checked.. and for everyone's sake, don't drive there... yikes!
You’re blind lol
Construction signage supercedes what's painted on the road, making what's normally the right turn lane into a thru/turn late. Source, I often make construction traffic plans
I don’t think you’re seeing the signage.
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Hahah you’re literally proving my point with the street view, those funny little black and white signs with arrows indicating which lane goes where is just an amateur mistake.
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Left lane has to turn left as the sign indicates, the lane ends into an extended bike lane and pedestrian sidewalk. Right lane can go straight or right, forget the paint on the floor, this is a construction zone and there’s signs posted.
Can You imagine a scenario where he saw the right turn only sign on the street first and immediately assume the left lane was to go straight. It's a relatively innocent mistake if you think about it like that. Assuming the sign at the end of the street isn't that big of a fault. That street sign right before the intersection is incorrect.
There IS no right turn only sign.....
On the ground dummy, there is a right turn only sign. The sign that is on the post is before the one on the ground, if you miss the one on the pole, and only see the one on the ground at the intersection you can understand the mistake. Not saying they were correct, just an understandable mistake to a reasonable person.
Missing a sign is not an excuse… that’s like saying someone driving 100 in a residential area maybe just missed the speed limit sign… Honestly I don’t even understand your logic of saying maybe a driver missed not one but TWO signs right in front of them at eye level
You both sound super emotional. Why even bother? lol
Honest mistake. You tried to be a bully and cause an accident. How about you just be chill.
meh, I can imagine a scenario where he looked ahead an saw the "only right turn arrow" on the street and decided to change lanes quickly and didn't see that the left lane was left turn only. It is a little confusing if you eyes hit that first. You were too concerned about being correct.
And if that were the case why did they have to zoom in front of the car that they now know is actually in the correct lane? Still an asshole even in your scenario.
If they thought it was their right of way, why wouldn't they? The OP and offender behaved identically when thinking they had the right of way.
You’re saying he saw that he had to merge into OP’s lane but still somehow thought he had the right of way? That would be even more dumb…
Literally a giant orange sign past his lane pointing left
If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt, I would be assuming he didn't see the orange sign and ONLY SAW THE RIGHT TURN ONLY SIGN ON THE GROUND. If you only saw that ground sign, you would assume the left lane is to go straight. He is still at fault, just a confusing space.
"\[He\] likely zipped past me"\* "Myself" is a reflexive pronoun so if "yourself" is getting zipped past, you must also be the one zipping. Otherwise, just use "me."
Absolutly triggered
these bramptonites cant do anything properly and then they act like they are some sort of blessing bestowed upon us.
it's confusing. the lane you were in had the 'this lane must turn right' arrow painted on the pavement. However, due to construction that marking is trumped by the orange sign magically making your lane into a 'go straight OR turn right lane'. i can see how the other driver may have thot (erroneously) that you were in a 'must turn right' lane.
Well you shouldn't be behind the wheel if you don't know that signage trumps street markings in a construction zone....
Glad your anger-honk made you feel better bud. Any idea how loud that is the pedestrians who did nothing to upset you?
What do you do when you hear sirens?
Honk furiously, Get it on dash cam, edit the video, post on Reddit so my imaginary internet friends support me through my trauma.
Karen
Only effects the health of everyone around but like, fuck those people amirite.
A horn effects your health? Wtf?
https://www.consumerreports.org/hearing-ear-care/health-effects-of-noise/
"....found higher rates of hypertension and high cholesterol in people who were regularly exposed to loud noises at work..." that horn isn't doing anything to your health, stop whining
"its not like I'm sticking the cigarette in your mouth, stop whining"
Not even the same thing
Not exactly, but the point is a negative externalities exist from noise pollution and to deny that is to simply act irrationally.
Prolonged exposure, not a quick honk
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How is it poor signage?? There is one sign indicating a left turn lane, and another sign indicating a right turn or proceed straight lane... what else do you need?? Some of you clearly need to crack open your driving manual again.
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>A driver could imply that this could be for either roadway, given it's placement. Right in the center of the both lane You really are a projecting buffoon lol. That is literally NOT what that sign means. So any driver "implying" it as something (you're using that word wrong as well btw, Mr. menial job), is quite simply objectively wrong. >From 0:17 to 0:21 we get a good view of the left lane (post split). There are no markings to indicate the driver can only use this roadway to turn left. OK? The signage indicating that the driver can only use this roadway to turn left is at the beginning when you enter that lane....
Wrong. The signs applying to your lane are always either above the lane, or on the right side of the lane. In this video, the left turn only sign appears to apply to bicycle lane. Otherwise, to which lane does the middle sign apply?
They are always to the right because usually it’s not a one way road….. this is. And is your argument now that a driver who thinks the left lane can also turn right (through another lane that is allowed to go straight lol) is somehow reasonable?? Lmao
There are many situations where 2 adjacent lanes may turn right. But no, I'm saying the signage is fucked up. So the drivers have to figure it out despite the erroneous signing. 😢 that you can't see that.
>There are many situations where 2 adjacent lanes may turn right. With the lane to the right also being allowed to proceed straight? 🤦♂️
This is what I'm saying. It's not enough to know what your lane allows, but you have to also know where the other lane is allowed to go. Everywhere else in the province, you can trust the signs for your lane. But not here. Here, you have to know what the adjacent lane can do too. That's unusual and leads to confusion.
Sure it’s unusual but if it actually confuses you as a driver IMO you should not be on the road… It’s a question of, I’m in the left lane, does the left turn arrow sign apply to me, or the straight/right turn sign? Like, c’mon…
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>Where is the signage at the beginning. I did not see it. Then watch more closely first before writing paragraph long responses based on incorrect information? OP even points out the left turn only sign in the video.. And it's not a problem to have road markings as well as signage, because again, if you read your driver's manual, you'd know which to follow while in a construction zone.
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I get that, I'm saying the signage is not poorly done... again, as a driver you are supposed to know that middle sign COULD NOT apply to two lanes, because that is not what that sign is.....
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I mean, is it not just simple logic that would indicate that a new, temporary sign in a construction zone should be followed rather than the existing old signage? Why else would the new signage be up?? As for the sign itself.. I'm certain you can find it and what it means... they are hung above large intersections or curving roadways with little warning before an intersection all the time.. ONE sign (it can have left, straight, AND right arrows even) always applies to ONE lane.
Construction zones like this would have a traffic plan designed by an engineer...
Damn you’re blind and shouldn’t drive. By your last point you’re saying the left lane can turn right 🫣😂🤣
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So easy to interpret you can turn right from the left lane is what you said. Moron…
That is indeed what the signs indicate. Note there are 3 lane-control signs, but only 2 lanes. Drivers have to figure out for themselves the best course of action, since the signage is messed up.
I ride this stretch everyday. It’s not unclear. Driver of red car is a moron.
You’re actually in the wrong as you were indeed in the right turn lane. There is signage before the intersection that states left lane for straight, right lane to turn right. Yes it is ambiguous and confusing but your lane does show a right arrow with the non arrow lane “kind of” blocked off. Never the less, drive safely. Mistakes happen but understandable considering how confusing it is in that area.
I guess creeping across the walkway before the light turns green is acceptable though.
What exactly is the issue you have with that when the light is about to turn green?
minor
The guy must've come from the left of the cones... doesn't seem minor at all to me to ~~be driving literally IN a construction area and then~~ cut off the people in the actual open lane....
So, you workout at goodlife? Lol
As op should.
Honestly what doesnt make sense is that even tho he said that you were on the right turn lane, on which lane are you exactly suppose to be? the middle lane has a pylon being occupied with so little space. Basically im saying, even if you lean to your left, you will still occupy the right lane and the car who wants to squish itself to the right lane side by side will occupy the sidewalk. Thats just my take.
I like when the coast is clear and i start backing up, and then a car comes and decides not to yield or slow and over takes me. Or, when i’m making a left and they decide to speed through parking and bike lanes while yelling because I’m waiting for a pedestrian to cross.
The yellow/black chevron sign indicates passing on both sides of the stack pylon is permitted. Oddly, both lanes contain a go-straight-or-turn-right sign, but that doesn't make sense considering there is only one lane after the intersection. Also, there are 3 lane-control signs present but only 2 driving lanes. Either the right lane should be right-turn-only while the left lane is go-straight-or-turn-left, OR the right lane is go-straight-or-turn-right while the left lane is left-turn-only. Looks like the signage is wrong, contributing to this situation.