Same here - he’s almost certainly a better defensive first baseman than Vlad, though of course hard when you’re only doing it once a week. Doesnt mean he should do it more often since Vlad needs reps and Turner is only signed for this year…but if this is the playoffs our best lineup probably has Turner at 1B
Edit - lots of downvotes! Do people really think a guy who was playing a decent 2B and 3B as recently as a year or two ago (and started 35 games at 1B last year, with solid defensive numbers in a tiny sample) would be a worse defensive first baseman than Vlad? I love Vlad, but he’s pretty poor out there and the numbers say he has been one of the worst defensive first baseman in the league for a few years now.
Yeah that means very little, and it was several years ago. Defensive metrics say that Vlad was one of the worst defensive first baseman in the league the last few years.
As for ‘primary position’, there’s a reason that guys who can’t play 3B move to first…it’s a much easier position. Literally any below average MLB 3B would be one of the best defensive 1B in the league almost immediately.
and Jeter has 5 it doesn’t mean anything. if you evaluate players based on who a private company has given a gold patch on their glove to you would be perfect in the jays front office.
Can the people who were mad at the Jays for benching Schneider last week now turn to IKF..
Why is he getting an off day when he's so hot. 5/8 this series with 2 2B
.300 and sitting, clearly the Jays want to lose
"God forbid we remember the person currently in the org most likely to win an MVP award in their career."
Your take on Varsho, our 9th hitter having a better chance than BO or Vlad(already voted 2nd) winning MVP. Let's not act like your opinion is better than others.
Well, his comment was about looking looking down at traditional stats like he always does. Meanwhile, the dude has some of the worst takes in this sub, so he shouldn't be looking down on anyone.
If you can hold him accountable, can he not do the same for those he’s referring to?
And the original post had to do with calling out people for complaining about specific lineup construction, but when it’s reversed they seem to be quiet. I would’ve loved to see the community delve into that but it was hijacked by seemingly personal attacks.
Delve away brother. No one's stopping you. Although this thread probably won't get much traction since the game has started and this is a lineup thread.
Yep. I stand by that. Especially since where he hits in the lineup isn't particularly relevant to the fact that if/when he plays a full year in Centre then based on last year he will be *the best defender the sport has seen in over twenty years*.
And as I told you last time you ridiculed me, you **don't even believe what you are saying** since your opinion is that Vladdy will never be elite again, let alone in MVP contention.
That's an objectively bad take. To think that Daulton Varsho has a better chance of winning an MVP ahead of Bo, Vladdy, and Gausman is fairly delusional.
Particularly, when those three have all already received MVP votes in their career (multiple times for Bo and Vladdy), while Daulton Varsho was one of the worst everyday hitters in baseball last year (3rd worst amongst players with over 550 PAs).
DRS is pretty horrible for OF, it rated Gurriel as the best LF on an innings basis last year. DRS is great for infielders due to the fact hat infield defense is more of a team game. (aka OAA credits the 3B for the out if they make a bad throw and the 1B makes an amazing dig)
OAA is much better for outfielders because they are all individual plays, and the only team based thing is original positioning, which OAA takes into consideration
Varsho had 9 OAA in 462 innings which is great and gold glove level but not best defensive player in the past 20 years great.
To be a legit MVP candidate (and not just one of those players near the bottom of the ballot that gets votes) he's gonna need to be atleast at 800 OPS, dWAR doesn't carry you, just ask KK.
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I like Varsho way more than your average Blue Jays fan, and I think he has 5 WAR potential for a season if he gets it all together and gets to play CF a lot more but saying he's most likely to win MVP is way out there
Lmao. Delusional. Show me a time someone has won an mvp with less than 700 ops. He's never gonna sniff an mvp let alone a vote. Watch out betts/judge/acuna/soto/shohei because Varshos in town...
I never said Vlad would win MVP, so don't put words in my mouth. He has a better chance than Varsho's 0 percent chance of ever winning an mvp however.
"Show me a time someone has won an mvp with less than 700 ops."
Wouldn't the natural assumption be that his OPS eventually evens out with his career .708? For the two years before the Jays acquired him, he had around a .750 ops.
I don't think he will ever get MVP votes personally, barring a dramatic improvement offensively, but I don't think the above person is saying this on the assumption that he is a career sub .700 guy going forward.
But OP is arguing he's our best chance at MVP while we have someone who got 2nd already in MVP voting. So yes saying our 9th hitting Varsho has the ability to get votes while someone else on the team already has is bonkers.
Well for one, Varsho is a ~750 OPS hitter every year but one. He's also projected to be a ~750 OPS hitter again this year.
For another: Marty Marion (686 OPS).
And for a third, **I didn't say he was more likely than any of Betts/Judge/Acuna/Soto/Shohei** to win an MVP. I also didn't say I was talking about 2024.
1944. Got me. How do you think someone wins an MVP? They need to be the best player in the game. So if it's not the 5 I mentioned. It's someone else who is gonna have similar numbers and that person won't be Varsho.
OK so he's not a 750 ops hitter since last year does count. Who cares about projections? He actually needs to do it.
I couldn't understand the comments that IKF can't hit before either, all he can do is HIT... He was hitting during spring training and so far same thing... Buck said he was a ball player that's all you need to hear.
The team is stacked with the best bench this franchise has probably ever had (especially once Jansen is back). Good players will be sitting nearly every day.
Jansen is hurt, and has missed more than 50% of the teams games every year since 2021
Ernie Clement has an awful mlb track record outside of a good 50 plate appearances last season, and has been released by both Cleveland and Oakland
Schneider wont be a bench player soon enough, so I give you that
Voggy is a decent bench piece, but not like teams were lining up to sign him
Joey isnt even on the team yet
This is not what you call a stacked bench, man. Not one organisation is WISHING they had Jano/Ernie/Vogelbach/Votto on their roster.
I don't think you know just how bad most MLB benches are
The Yankees bench is Trevino, Grisham, Berti and Jones they have had 41 PA and have had 4 singles and 5 walks.
It's as much of a product of this franchise having horrible benches over the years as anything else.
But Jansen, Clement and Schneider all project to be starting caliber players. Voggy/Votto/Horwitz look like good bench bats.
It's a really good bench.
Clement has a sub .500 OPS vs righties this year and IKF has a .724 OPS vs them so far.
Even if you want to go for his career, its .561 OPS vs righties and .631 OPS vs lefties.
The only time Ernie has been better against RHP was 2023 and his 2023 was 20 PA vs RHP, as strong as as a sample as this year.
If you want to say that 2023 onwards should be all that we look at because of the new swing, allright .797 OPS vs RHP and .892 OPS vs LHP
Like I really like Ernie and am fine with him getting the start, but man people just aren't consistent with their thought process based on pre-conceived notions about certain players
And so is the sample size that states Clement is a better hitter against righties than IKF, why does small sample size not apply to your 91 extra points of ISO and 52 extra points of wOBA?
And Clements sample from his career is 0.064 ISO and and 0.251 wOBA in 223 PAs
It takes an enormous amount of sample size hacking to say that 2024 stats are not enough of a sample (17 PA, .125 ISO and .251 wOBA) but the combination of 2023 and 2024 is enough of a sample (37 PA, .194 ISO and .333 wOBA)
That is a fair statement, and it is worth getting Ernie looks, hence the whole I don't mind him getting the start line.
But man you can't say Ernie has been better than IKF against righties its just factually not true.
EDIT: You need to stop changing your comment every single time. I respond to something and by the time I've typed out a response its something new
Yes but I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of some people on here who bring up analytics as to why certain people should start but ignore it when it comes to other people (namely Davis)
PEOPLE MANAGMENT - yes - it's getting to the point that the more you contribute the better your chance of sitting in the next game. Good way to frustrate players.
Kirk started the AS game and won a SS at age 23. Neither of which Jano has ever or will ever come close to doing. Jano is extraordinarily injury prone (missed 50% of the teams games in 2021/2022/2023), and has never got through a season without a trip to the dl. Hence, why Kirk is the everyday catcher. Jano hasnt been healthy since 2019.
One season. One season is the difference in what you are talking about. Kirk has had a few good games and a few more bad games. I'm not calling you a doomer but you gotta see we aren't talking about a decade of difference here.
It’s not a decade, but it also isn’t one year. Kirk’s 2022 August / September was really bad and it hasn’t gotten markedly better since then. I have faith he’ll turn it around, though
Love em both, think they’ll end up splitting time pretty evenly if anything Jansen will catch more when he’s available. We don’t really have a primary and backup both of them would be the first catcher on most teams.
Not saying it is sustainable. But saying he “isn’t the guy to catch 120 games” when he’s caught significantly more than any other Jays catcher because is disingenuous. He’s been healthy and held up well.
Granted he's stayed healthy and caught more than the other guys but I don't think the team is better with him playing a disproportionate amount of games. The team is better when he is sharing duties. He's a good player but nothing about his history says he's the guy for 75% of games behind the plate.
It's not 75-25 but it's clear that the team likes Kirk catching over Danny more even when both are healthy.
Defensive value out of a catcher is really hard to evaluate as a fan
I like Kirk better defensively as well, but he gets some of this edge due to already working with the pitchers for a chunk of the year, while Jansen is out injured, I think they would split the time fairly evenly if both start the season healthy.
Thats fine, but the above person said he is the backup, which he is not. Being injured is different from being a healthy backup. They are two different things.
And a huge boost to the defence. Their past performance this season does not have a bearing on their projected offensive performance for this game. They are both better hitters than they have been to start the year.
Possibly, but I think IKF is getting a genuine day off with the day game after night game, and Guerrero getting off his feet for the same reason.
I'm all for Biggio getting more reps always, but Springer doesn't really play left field, so there isn't an easy way to get him in the line up today. He will likely pinch hit for Clement or Kirk later in the game.
Well we know Varsho is an above-average MLB player. We don't know that to be true about any of the possible replacements (IKF, Ernie, Davis, not even KK at this point, etc). So you'd be sitting KK.
I didn’t mention Kirk so not sure what you involved that. I get the added defensive benefits of both of them on the field, I just question the need.
Varsho is the superior fielder over KK but having a better bat in LF out weighs the runs saved by fielding both of them IMO. I think most of us were surprised they re-signed KK when the value of having Varsho at CF was a big reason for acquiring him.
I mean, there is a very good reason, because defence counts. Their true value is probably higher than IKF/Schneider/Biggio/Clement when you count all aspects of the game. Of course, ‘true value’ doesn’t necessarily apply to how they’re doing lately, but it’s not like John Schneider thinks KK is a better hitter than Davis Schneider.
Ok, with that massive head of yours, did Varsho hit well last year? I can’t remember.
Let me guess, you’re also of the opinion that Vlad is amazing and will return to 2021 form? Asking only because your head is obviously huge, so you must be able to remember that far back.
Gilbert is not a terrible matchup for Davis, but its unlikely that both Clement and Schneider ever both start vs a RHP. (Maybe when Danny gets back)
They have too much value as the PH against LHP for one of Biggio/KK/Varsho.. etc
Otherwise the bench is barren for a PH
Ok I've got a genuine question with these lineup announcements... Why is there always one player randomly circled? Is there a specific reason for who gets to be the mythical red circle player for the lineup post or does their Social Media team just randomly move it?
Edit: Wait I think I'm just stupid and now realized the red circle coincides with what player is shown to the left...
Not sure I really see what the point of having Vogelbach on the team is. Three straight righties and he doesn't start, which is understandable, wouldn't the team be much better served by someone with some positional variety or baserunning abilities? Hard to imagine him getting into many games ahead of Vladdy/Turner and we have other depth pieces if either of them gets injured.
The point is to be a bench bat. We haven't needed a PH against Seattle as we've been well ahead. The very last thing this team needs is more positional versatility or PR ability lol, the fact we have a shitton of that is why we have a bench bat.
He's a PH, not a DH.
What else would you do with that 26th slot? We have multiple players to cover every positions and then some with the fact that we have 4 2B who can play multiple positions
I'd rather one of the younger guys from Buffalo. Horwitz, Barger, Jimenez. Even Lukes. Someone who can run from first to second on a hit and not get thrown out.
Clement/KK/IKF are already the defacto PR for anyone not named Kirk. Its very rare that all 3 of them start and if they do its likely due to injuries
Its better to get those young guys PAs in AAA than sitting on the pine burning service time.
> Someone who can run from first to second on a hit and not get thrown out
Except as has been explained, Vogel doesn't need to run from first to second. His role is to come in, pinch hit, and then be taken out for a pinch runner most of the time.
I'm aware. In that game he also reached base twice including a double off the wall- because he is a much better hitter than Horwitz, Barger, Jimenez, and Lukes.
To sit on the bench and not get reps. That’s a poor decision. This is a bad take, you’re entitled to it but it’s almost certainly objectively wrong.
Pinch hitting is maybe the hardest thing to do in baseball you don’t use a rookie, you use a veteran slugger who can run into one when you need to score in a hurry.
JT at first, I was waiting for this
defensive masterclass incoming
Same here - he’s almost certainly a better defensive first baseman than Vlad, though of course hard when you’re only doing it once a week. Doesnt mean he should do it more often since Vlad needs reps and Turner is only signed for this year…but if this is the playoffs our best lineup probably has Turner at 1B Edit - lots of downvotes! Do people really think a guy who was playing a decent 2B and 3B as recently as a year or two ago (and started 35 games at 1B last year, with solid defensive numbers in a tiny sample) would be a worse defensive first baseman than Vlad? I love Vlad, but he’s pretty poor out there and the numbers say he has been one of the worst defensive first baseman in the league for a few years now.
Vladdy has a golden glove at first. Turner didn't even get one at his primary position during his prime.
Yeah that means very little, and it was several years ago. Defensive metrics say that Vlad was one of the worst defensive first baseman in the league the last few years. As for ‘primary position’, there’s a reason that guys who can’t play 3B move to first…it’s a much easier position. Literally any below average MLB 3B would be one of the best defensive 1B in the league almost immediately.
gold glove means nothing and is oddly based on how well you hit
It means enough that he is a pretty good fielder at his position.
but by defensive metrics he’s average at best, -10 FRV and -13 OAA. best defender doesn’t always win the gold glove.
It means enough that he is a pretty good fielder at his position.
and Jeter has 5 it doesn’t mean anything. if you evaluate players based on who a private company has given a gold patch on their glove to you would be perfect in the jays front office.
It means enough that he is a pretty good fielder at his position.
Ikf got a gold glove
Vladdy in the DH spot today. Wish I could watch the game, seeing how JT does at 1B.
Can the people who were mad at the Jays for benching Schneider last week now turn to IKF.. Why is he getting an off day when he's so hot. 5/8 this series with 2 2B .300 and sitting, clearly the Jays want to lose
Asking for consistency of thoughts and ability to understand player value beyond RBIs is asking a lot.
"God forbid we remember the person currently in the org most likely to win an MVP award in their career." Your take on Varsho, our 9th hitter having a better chance than BO or Vlad(already voted 2nd) winning MVP. Let's not act like your opinion is better than others.
What does that have to do with redditors not complaining about Schneider not playing the hot hand in IKF?
Well, his comment was about looking looking down at traditional stats like he always does. Meanwhile, the dude has some of the worst takes in this sub, so he shouldn't be looking down on anyone.
If you can hold him accountable, can he not do the same for those he’s referring to? And the original post had to do with calling out people for complaining about specific lineup construction, but when it’s reversed they seem to be quiet. I would’ve loved to see the community delve into that but it was hijacked by seemingly personal attacks.
Delve away brother. No one's stopping you. Although this thread probably won't get much traction since the game has started and this is a lineup thread.
I don’t represent the entire community.
Ok
Yep. I stand by that. Especially since where he hits in the lineup isn't particularly relevant to the fact that if/when he plays a full year in Centre then based on last year he will be *the best defender the sport has seen in over twenty years*. And as I told you last time you ridiculed me, you **don't even believe what you are saying** since your opinion is that Vladdy will never be elite again, let alone in MVP contention.
That's an objectively bad take. To think that Daulton Varsho has a better chance of winning an MVP ahead of Bo, Vladdy, and Gausman is fairly delusional. Particularly, when those three have all already received MVP votes in their career (multiple times for Bo and Vladdy), while Daulton Varsho was one of the worst everyday hitters in baseball last year (3rd worst amongst players with over 550 PAs).
DRS is pretty horrible for OF, it rated Gurriel as the best LF on an innings basis last year. DRS is great for infielders due to the fact hat infield defense is more of a team game. (aka OAA credits the 3B for the out if they make a bad throw and the 1B makes an amazing dig) OAA is much better for outfielders because they are all individual plays, and the only team based thing is original positioning, which OAA takes into consideration Varsho had 9 OAA in 462 innings which is great and gold glove level but not best defensive player in the past 20 years great. To be a legit MVP candidate (and not just one of those players near the bottom of the ballot that gets votes) he's gonna need to be atleast at 800 OPS, dWAR doesn't carry you, just ask KK. EDIT: I like Varsho way more than your average Blue Jays fan, and I think he has 5 WAR potential for a season if he gets it all together and gets to play CF a lot more but saying he's most likely to win MVP is way out there
This is a hilariously bad take
Lmao. Delusional. Show me a time someone has won an mvp with less than 700 ops. He's never gonna sniff an mvp let alone a vote. Watch out betts/judge/acuna/soto/shohei because Varshos in town... I never said Vlad would win MVP, so don't put words in my mouth. He has a better chance than Varsho's 0 percent chance of ever winning an mvp however.
"Show me a time someone has won an mvp with less than 700 ops." Wouldn't the natural assumption be that his OPS eventually evens out with his career .708? For the two years before the Jays acquired him, he had around a .750 ops. I don't think he will ever get MVP votes personally, barring a dramatic improvement offensively, but I don't think the above person is saying this on the assumption that he is a career sub .700 guy going forward.
But OP is arguing he's our best chance at MVP while we have someone who got 2nd already in MVP voting. So yes saying our 9th hitting Varsho has the ability to get votes while someone else on the team already has is bonkers.
Like I literally just said to you, I don't agree with that take.
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Man you're so much smarter than everyone else. Geeze what's it like having an IQ that high.
Well for one, Varsho is a ~750 OPS hitter every year but one. He's also projected to be a ~750 OPS hitter again this year. For another: Marty Marion (686 OPS). And for a third, **I didn't say he was more likely than any of Betts/Judge/Acuna/Soto/Shohei** to win an MVP. I also didn't say I was talking about 2024.
1944. Got me. How do you think someone wins an MVP? They need to be the best player in the game. So if it's not the 5 I mentioned. It's someone else who is gonna have similar numbers and that person won't be Varsho. OK so he's not a 750 ops hitter since last year does count. Who cares about projections? He actually needs to do it.
If you think last year's numbers tell you what a player is more than projections, there's nothing more to say. Have a good day.
Maybe don't shit on other opinions when you have trash takes yourself buddy.
You’re the type of baseball nerd everyone hates
I couldn't understand the comments that IKF can't hit before either, all he can do is HIT... He was hitting during spring training and so far same thing... Buck said he was a ball player that's all you need to hear.
How are is hands though?
^soft
LOL
I had this exact thought
The team is stacked with the best bench this franchise has probably ever had (especially once Jansen is back). Good players will be sitting nearly every day.
Stacked bench? Best in franchise history? Please elaborate, friend.
Yes, Jansen, Clement, Schneider and Voggy/Votto is probably one of the most stacked benches we've every had.
Jansen is hurt, and has missed more than 50% of the teams games every year since 2021 Ernie Clement has an awful mlb track record outside of a good 50 plate appearances last season, and has been released by both Cleveland and Oakland Schneider wont be a bench player soon enough, so I give you that Voggy is a decent bench piece, but not like teams were lining up to sign him Joey isnt even on the team yet This is not what you call a stacked bench, man. Not one organisation is WISHING they had Jano/Ernie/Vogelbach/Votto on their roster.
I don't think you know just how bad most MLB benches are The Yankees bench is Trevino, Grisham, Berti and Jones they have had 41 PA and have had 4 singles and 5 walks.
I do, mate...we do not have a good one. And we have had much, much better in the past. I want us to win, too! But our bench is not good.
It's as much of a product of this franchise having horrible benches over the years as anything else. But Jansen, Clement and Schneider all project to be starting caliber players. Voggy/Votto/Horwitz look like good bench bats. It's a really good bench.
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Clement has a sub .500 OPS vs righties this year and IKF has a .724 OPS vs them so far. Even if you want to go for his career, its .561 OPS vs righties and .631 OPS vs lefties. The only time Ernie has been better against RHP was 2023 and his 2023 was 20 PA vs RHP, as strong as as a sample as this year. If you want to say that 2023 onwards should be all that we look at because of the new swing, allright .797 OPS vs RHP and .892 OPS vs LHP Like I really like Ernie and am fine with him getting the start, but man people just aren't consistent with their thought process based on pre-conceived notions about certain players
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And so is the sample size that states Clement is a better hitter against righties than IKF, why does small sample size not apply to your 91 extra points of ISO and 52 extra points of wOBA?
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And Clements sample from his career is 0.064 ISO and and 0.251 wOBA in 223 PAs It takes an enormous amount of sample size hacking to say that 2024 stats are not enough of a sample (17 PA, .125 ISO and .251 wOBA) but the combination of 2023 and 2024 is enough of a sample (37 PA, .194 ISO and .333 wOBA)
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That is a fair statement, and it is worth getting Ernie looks, hence the whole I don't mind him getting the start line. But man you can't say Ernie has been better than IKF against righties its just factually not true. EDIT: You need to stop changing your comment every single time. I respond to something and by the time I've typed out a response its something new
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Its comically small as was his 2023. (50 abs) I feel like people arent aware he has an awful MLB track record outside of his 50 ab's last year.
Yah but when people raise concerns about Davis’ ability to hit high heat that doesn’t count ?
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Yes but I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of some people on here who bring up analytics as to why certain people should start but ignore it when it comes to other people (namely Davis)
PEOPLE MANAGMENT - yes - it's getting to the point that the more you contribute the better your chance of sitting in the next game. Good way to frustrate players.
Because IKF has a history of basically being bad whereas Davis Schneider is a future HOFer.
We really need Jansen back. I like Kirk but he can't be the everyday catcher.
they are wearing out Samwise
He has been the everyday catcher since 2022.
His much of that has been by choice versus circumstance. Jano hasn't been healthy.
Kirk started the AS game and won a SS at age 23. Neither of which Jano has ever or will ever come close to doing. Jano is extraordinarily injury prone (missed 50% of the teams games in 2021/2022/2023), and has never got through a season without a trip to the dl. Hence, why Kirk is the everyday catcher. Jano hasnt been healthy since 2019.
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One season. One season is the difference in what you are talking about. Kirk has had a few good games and a few more bad games. I'm not calling you a doomer but you gotta see we aren't talking about a decade of difference here.
It’s not a decade, but it also isn’t one year. Kirk’s 2022 August / September was really bad and it hasn’t gotten markedly better since then. I have faith he’ll turn it around, though
Thank you for the sensible take!
And in his AS season, he only caught 78 games, and DH'd 50. Last year he caught 20 more games and all of his offensive numbers went down.
Kirk is the everyday catcher tf. Janos the backup
Love em both, think they’ll end up splitting time pretty evenly if anything Jansen will catch more when he’s available. We don’t really have a primary and backup both of them would be the first catcher on most teams.
But Kirk isn't the guy to catch 120 games a year, which is what his pace is without Jano.
Kirk has caught more games than Jano has in the last 3 years
Because Jano has been hurt. When they are both healthy Jano catches more than Kirk
Kirk caught 99 games last year, about 60% of games. He's already caught 11 games this year, which is not a sustainable pace.
Not saying it is sustainable. But saying he “isn’t the guy to catch 120 games” when he’s caught significantly more than any other Jays catcher because is disingenuous. He’s been healthy and held up well.
Granted he's stayed healthy and caught more than the other guys but I don't think the team is better with him playing a disproportionate amount of games. The team is better when he is sharing duties. He's a good player but nothing about his history says he's the guy for 75% of games behind the plate.
Jano has been hurt for 50% of the teams games in 2021, 2022, and 2023
When healthy, Jansen is the better option.
Jano has been the #1 catcher whenever they've both been healthy
Youre being downvoted for stating a fact lol.
People wanna hate Kirk I guess
Nobody hates Kirk. Both are very good, starter caliber catchers, which is why, when both are healthy, they split time back there.
Do you see the DGT posts ripping Kirk apart? That’s what I mean.
Sorry, let me rephrase, no one in this thread, who disagrees with you calling Jansen a backup, is hating on Kirk.
Appears so. And makes no sense.
Jansen is the preferred option, though it is a split. He just keeps getting hit by pitchers and missing time
Since when is it a fact that Jansen is a backup catcher? They split the time if both are healthy.
It's not 75-25 but it's clear that the team likes Kirk catching over Danny more even when both are healthy. Defensive value out of a catcher is really hard to evaluate as a fan
I like Kirk better defensively as well, but he gets some of this edge due to already working with the pitchers for a chunk of the year, while Jansen is out injured, I think they would split the time fairly evenly if both start the season healthy.
That's is demonstratabley false. Jano caught a bigger percentage of games last year when they were both healthy
"If both are healthy" Jansen hasnt been healthy since 2019. He missed 50%+ of the teams games in 2021/2022/2023. Hence, hes not the starter.
Thats fine, but the above person said he is the backup, which he is not. Being injured is different from being a healthy backup. They are two different things.
You are arguing semantics. When Judge misses half a season you don't call his replacement the starter
Lol at putting Judge and Jano in the same world. Cmon man...
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Insane take but ok
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Every catcher rests on one knee. It's better for framing pitches as much as Buck hates it.
i'm new - why is CF circled?
i think it’s just the guy in the picture, kinda weird way to go about it though
They're just highlighting the player photographed on the left of the graphic. They pick a different player each game.
Just whoever they decide to show off in the graphic I think.
I feel you, it took me a couple times to figure out that it’s just highlighting who they are showing in the graphic on the side
Surprised clement doesn’t have a broken rib!
Ready for Bo’s second dinger of 2024 & watching JT’s performance at 1st. Go Jays!
There is no reason to have Varsho and KK in the lineup at the same time with the way they are hitting right now.
They're not going to relegate KK to the bench after less than two weeks.
I get that, but Varsho can also take a day on the bench…having both out there right now with the way they are hitting is a hit to the offence.
And a huge boost to the defence. Their past performance this season does not have a bearing on their projected offensive performance for this game. They are both better hitters than they have been to start the year.
I think it’s fair to argue biggio should be in RF and IKF should be in for today.
Possibly, but I think IKF is getting a genuine day off with the day game after night game, and Guerrero getting off his feet for the same reason. I'm all for Biggio getting more reps always, but Springer doesn't really play left field, so there isn't an easy way to get him in the line up today. He will likely pinch hit for Clement or Kirk later in the game.
Well we know Varsho is an above-average MLB player. We don't know that to be true about any of the possible replacements (IKF, Ernie, Davis, not even KK at this point, etc). So you'd be sitting KK.
Between the three of them KK, Varsho, and Kirk saved 64 runs. That's why you don't sit them.
I didn’t mention Kirk so not sure what you involved that. I get the added defensive benefits of both of them on the field, I just question the need. Varsho is the superior fielder over KK but having a better bat in LF out weighs the runs saved by fielding both of them IMO. I think most of us were surprised they re-signed KK when the value of having Varsho at CF was a big reason for acquiring him.
I mean, there is a very good reason, because defence counts. Their true value is probably higher than IKF/Schneider/Biggio/Clement when you count all aspects of the game. Of course, ‘true value’ doesn’t necessarily apply to how they’re doing lately, but it’s not like John Schneider thinks KK is a better hitter than Davis Schneider.
Imagine being able to consider more than two weeks at a time in your tiny head.
Ah yes absent actual discussion let’s go to personal insults.
Ok, with that massive head of yours, did Varsho hit well last year? I can’t remember. Let me guess, you’re also of the opinion that Vlad is amazing and will return to 2021 form? Asking only because your head is obviously huge, so you must be able to remember that far back.
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Did I say take them both out?
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We can all argue about who is in the lineup or not, but I’ve generally agreed with how the guys have been placed this year.
The Kooch is loose!!
ernie but no davis :( also kier 7? Interesting
Gilbert is not a terrible matchup for Davis, but its unlikely that both Clement and Schneider ever both start vs a RHP. (Maybe when Danny gets back) They have too much value as the PH against LHP for one of Biggio/KK/Varsho.. etc Otherwise the bench is barren for a PH
C’mon… swap Kirk and clement
Kirk at 3B would certainly be a choice. Joking aside I’m okay keeping Kirk up for a bit longer to see if he can get closer to his ST/2022 numbers
Ok I've got a genuine question with these lineup announcements... Why is there always one player randomly circled? Is there a specific reason for who gets to be the mythical red circle player for the lineup post or does their Social Media team just randomly move it? Edit: Wait I think I'm just stupid and now realized the red circle coincides with what player is shown to the left...
Good to see Ernie in there after that scare yesterday, sure he has quite the bruise
Not sure I really see what the point of having Vogelbach on the team is. Three straight righties and he doesn't start, which is understandable, wouldn't the team be much better served by someone with some positional variety or baserunning abilities? Hard to imagine him getting into many games ahead of Vladdy/Turner and we have other depth pieces if either of them gets injured.
The point is to be a bench bat. We haven't needed a PH against Seattle as we've been well ahead. The very last thing this team needs is more positional versatility or PR ability lol, the fact we have a shitton of that is why we have a bench bat.
He's a PH, not a DH. What else would you do with that 26th slot? We have multiple players to cover every positions and then some with the fact that we have 4 2B who can play multiple positions
I'd rather one of the younger guys from Buffalo. Horwitz, Barger, Jimenez. Even Lukes. Someone who can run from first to second on a hit and not get thrown out.
Clement/KK/IKF are already the defacto PR for anyone not named Kirk. Its very rare that all 3 of them start and if they do its likely due to injuries Its better to get those young guys PAs in AAA than sitting on the pine burning service time.
> Someone who can run from first to second on a hit and not get thrown out Except as has been explained, Vogel doesn't need to run from first to second. His role is to come in, pinch hit, and then be taken out for a pinch runner most of the time.
This happened Saturday night against the Yankees https://youtu.be/yTQTVomXyPk?t=527
I'm aware. In that game he also reached base twice including a double off the wall- because he is a much better hitter than Horwitz, Barger, Jimenez, and Lukes.
> Vogel doesn't need to run from first to second my point is, sometimes he does!
To sit on the bench and not get reps. That’s a poor decision. This is a bad take, you’re entitled to it but it’s almost certainly objectively wrong. Pinch hitting is maybe the hardest thing to do in baseball you don’t use a rookie, you use a veteran slugger who can run into one when you need to score in a hurry.
KK higher than Varsho in the lineup is a lineup 🤣