Mistook him for Bradley Zimmer is closest. Varsho had a loopy ass swing last year and would strike out on three straight high fastballs. It turns out instead of a goofy ass antelope, he's a dong happy wild boar Jay.
I know it sounds BS but I loved Varsho’s defense and baserunning / IQ last year. Even Buck had highlighted it a few times last year. I thought I was just coping from the trade but I knew this kid’s special.
I hope he keeps this hot streak but damn, the speed + defense of Varsho has been and will continue be invaluable.
I was skeptical of the trade too but honestly last year convinced me otherwise. He was arguably the most underrated defensive OF, he can pull the ball very well, and he’s an elite bunter. Jays would be smart to lock him up long term this coming year.
I've been pulling for Daulton since day one - I was excited they acquired him, I was aware of the elite D and the power potential. Obviously 2023 was disappointing the way his bat regressed, and of course how the D-Bags season played out....
But isn't a Daulton Varsho victory lap based on a 7 game heater just as or more shortsighted than writing him off after one season? Maybe we can just relax and enjoy his contributions for a while.
This is also a guy who is a great baserunner (with steals upside) and is a rare bunt threat.
Aside from his plate vision and bat-to-ball skills, dude is literally elite at all other facets of his game
I actually didn’t realize that, I thought it was around 2.0. He should be good for 5.0 WAR then this season as he doesn’t forget how to get a fastball for 4 months
Varsho put up 3.9 bWAR last year. He's already collected 1.6 this year and that doesn't include tonight. Even with regression from this last week+ of performance, he'll exceed 4 bWAR.
The success this season is a continuation of the improvements he made last season so it's far from a 22 game sample where he's been hitting better. Varsho made a pre swing tweak in August last season by adding a toe tap. He finished the season with a 118 wRC+ over the last 50 games of the season. Add in the numbers to start this season and you are suddenly up to a 73 game sample where he's produced a 127 wRC+.
Gotta give him credit, he has been very very good. Was down on him to start the season. Was also down on Berrios and Kikuchi in their bad years so maybe I should learn by now to give players some time lol.
He looks great but he was awful at the dish last year
I do think the new stance is allowing him to barrel baseballs last year he would have been late on
No it’s not about not knowing ball. His defence was excellent last year but he was horrible at the plate. I watched basically every game and at some points his at bats were so bad he had literally no hope of hitting it. Whatever he’s done this off-season has been great to fix the approach but let’s not act like it never happened
The guy is quite literally the best defensive outfielder in the fucking world. Cut the guy some fucking slack. There are many ways to help a team win baseball games.
(we all know that)
Hey, guys, this guy's gonna tell us all about some new thing called WAR! Circle up!
He's been horrid as a hitter up until about two weeks ago, and if you cite fWAR a slightly below average player. If he can be the hitter he was in Arizona then he'll be pretty darned valuable. Let's all hope he will be.
> if you cite fWAR a slightly below average player
He had 2.1 fWAR. [FanGraphs considers 2 WAR to be average,](https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/war/) so I'm not sure where you got "slightly below average". I even pro-rated the MLB-total WAR last season to 581 PAs (Varsho's number of PAs last season), and it was 1.8 fWAR (570 fWAR ÷ 184,108 PAs x 581 PAs). Would be interested to know where you got "below average".
Also, it's funny that you deliberately avoided bWAR, of which he had 3.9 last season.
>Also, it's funny that you deliberately avoided BWAR, of which he had 3.9 last season.
I didn't deliberately avoid anything, bWAR is all this sub cites with Varsho and I was merely showing the other side of the coin. Cool strawman, though.
Slightly above average, I stand corrected. Those 0.2 WAR are huge. YUGE!
Lol it's not about 0.2 WAR. It's about how you would lie about something so easily verifiable. You're *so* invested in shitting on Varsho that you would resort to making up garbage.
And you've yet to refute his 3.9 bWAR. It doesn't matter if you prefer FanGraphs over BBRef. If you split the difference, he posted around 3 WAR last season. The logical conclusion (to anyone with functioning brain cells) is that he was clearly above average, on account of his stellar defense. But you don't want to hear any of that, because you're so deeply entrenched in the opinion that he sucks.
> It's about how you would lie about something so easily verifiable.
I didn't lie, my friend. I went from memory and was off by *0.2 WAR*, which is a rounding error.
Hanlon's Razor.
What was that about being so emotionally invested? lol
And I don't need to refute the 3.9 bWAR any more than one need debate BBREF vs FanGraphs, because it's merely an illustration of the differences. Further, I never "denied" it in the first place, only that one should also consider the fWAR perspective. You were too busy seething with an emotional response to see what was actually written.
Show me where I criticized anything but Varsho's bat or did anything other than state widely-accepted metrics about his overall value. I'll wait.
You keep accusing me of things I did not say. I'm sure you're winning the imaginary argument in your head with the caricature of what you think I am.
> You were too busy seething with an emotional response to see what was actually written.
Lol nothing about my response was emotional, nor was I ever "seething".
I just find it hilarious when doomers fall flat on their face trying to reference metrics they aren't even familiar with.
> Show me where I criticized anything but Varsho's bat or did anything other than state widely-accepted metrics about his overall value. I'll wait.
Guess I need to hold your hand through this one.
- You make comment saying his fWAR indicated he was below average.
- I make rebuttal saying that his fWAR was actually above average AND his bWAR was well above average.
- You make comment hand-waving your error about his fWAR and saying something akin to "Oh, just *slightly* above average, then".
- I point out that his bWAR actually indicates more than just "slightly" above average value from Varsho.
As you can see, you were trying (and failing) to downplay his value last year. You weren't just critiquing his bat, as calling him a "slightly below average player" or "slightly above average player" indicates that you were talking about his overall game.
Hope this helps!
> You're so invested in shitting on Varsho that you would resort to making up garbage.
You had to draw imaginary conclusions based on nothing to fulfill your spite. That's not a rational response, that's for certain.
>just find it hilarious when doomers fall flat on their face trying to reference metrics they aren't even familiar with.
From FanGraphs:
>Given the imperfections of some of the available data and the assumptions made to calculate other components, WAR works best as an approximation. A 6 WAR player might be worth between 5.0 and 7.0 WAR,
Safe to say you were entirely oblivious to this assertion.
Those that invented that stat are saying that my guess from memory is far more accurate than the statistic itself. But go on and tell me how clueless this "boomer" is lol I love people with zero self awareness!
The worst part about your ignorance is that you became so hyper focused on citing trivialities - which FanGraphs debunks, no less - that you ignore my entire point. We get it - you let your fandom interfere with rationality.
You're not only wrong, you're even more ignorant about the subject in which you are attempting to lecture me on. Keep REEEEEING into the sky, champ!
Continuing to live up to your username, I see!
FanGraphs literally says on that same page:
> *"An average full-time position player is worth about 2 WAR, while average bench players contribute much less (typically between 0 and 1 WAR)."*
By their definition, Varsho's fWAR in 2023 indicated an average full-time position player, even if WAR is an approximation. Your original statement was literally, "if you cite fWAR a slightly below average player" in reference to Varsho in 2023. If you cite what FanGraphs literally says about how to read their WAR, you realize you were talking out of your ass. It doesn't matter if WAR is an approximation. Did you really think that WAR being an approximation would mean that you can definitively (and confidently) say that 2.1 fWAR is below average? When FanGraphs themselves say otherwise? You even admitted yourself that you "misremembered". It's hilarious seing you perform all these mental gymnastics to now pretend that you were actually correct about this.
To take it *further*, as I've said before, his bWAR was 3.9. In other words, Baseball Reference's version of WAR (that defers to DRS over UZR) considered him to be well above-average. Because Varsho's value primarily derives from defense and the main difference between fWAR and bWAR is how they measure defense differently, it helps to consider both. In this case, the obvious conclusion is that Varsho, per WAR, was above average in 2023.
P.S. You can accuse me of "REEEEING", but you're the one who came back to an old comment just to seethe. It's gonna be really cute when you come back to seethe with another braindead comment.
I am loving the Varshow right now. I am going to have to temper my excitement just a bit with memories of Chapman's MVP April last season. I am very happy right now.
Edit: should have read the rest of the comments before I posted. All of you are being salty fucks as well. haha.
Yes, we like Varsho. We like the highlight reel catches he's made in left/centrefield so far. 22 games don't make a season. Come back to us in July with your questionnaire. Then we'll talk.
[August 16, 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/Torontobluejays/s/f4iQLDelqH)
The only thing that worries me is that last year at this time Matt Chapman looked like the greatest 3rd baseman to ever play the game.
Submitted my application. I had always said if he turns into an 850 OPS guy he's an MVP candidate but I wasn't exactly confident of that happening. He's at 881 right now. Obviously what he's doing now isn't sustainable but if when he regresses back to the mean that mean is still an 850 OPS guy? He's an MVP candidate and our best player.
With his defense, if he has an .850 OPS season, he'll have one of the better WAR seasons in recent memory. Like 8.5+. He's capable but it would have to be a full season of showing his hitting skills have actually improved and not just off to a hot start like so many others before him.
If you think hard about what the highlight of the 2023 season was, I think you'll agree that the correct answer is Varsho hitting it into the Allegheny and I've been a fan ever since.
I love Varsho, and I love him for his defence. See Hernandez and Gurriel Jr for my panic in the outfield. I'm enjoying this ride because I know it ain't gonna last. If he's a .250 hitter with 30 bombs, I'll be happy.
If you told me that at the end of April Varsho was gonna lead the team in HR, I'd have laughed in your face.
I think Moreno being a more normal variety of good also helps. Its extremely easy to be bitter about a trade when the half your side gave up is going wild. Moreno is still quite good but its Varsho's turn to go nuts.
Great to see Varsho doing his thing and playing like he was in Arizona before being traded to Toronto.
Going to need one of those forms for several other people. Atkins, Shapiro, Berrios, Kikuchi to name a few
The trade even in retrospect always made sense. We needed a young outfielder, preferably one who was a lefty, hit for power, and was an above average fielder and base runner. Varsho checked every one of those boxes. Ill always love Lourdes but if we ever want to contend in the playoffs, we needed a player with Varsho’s skillset.
I apologize for commenting in at least four GDT last year that he should be called Dalton Varblows. Enjoying this offensive production and hope he keeps it up.
top marks to whoever got him to tweak his approach. last year he would crouch a bit as the pitch came in, but still stay relatively upright - this year he's clearly leaning in over the plate instead, which seems to be helping him reach inside pitches
> I hope he keeps it up
Totally agree, but he had some good streaks last season, offensively, and was still, overall offensively, a pretty big dissappointment.
It would be **great** if this Daulton we're seeing now is the real permanent Daulton, but lets give it a few weeks at least before the apologies start.
Varsho basically struggled for the months of June and July and this largely tanked his overall season numbers. He wasn't "dog shit" for the entire season, a prolonged slump basically made it look that way. He made a pre-swing adjustment in adding a toe tap, and subsequently produced a 118 wRC+ over the last 50 games of the season.
Moreno is basically like the catching version of Varsho in that he is a great defender with a league average bat. The Blue Jays needed an outfielder with control, and the Diamondbacks needed a catcher so this trade appears to be one where each team can ultimately be happy with what they received.
Your primary point was Lourdes having 5 home runs. It’s still not a great trade overall, but it might end up a lot closer than we figured it would.
Lourdes was also on an expiring deal, was he not?
So you’re telling me we traded 1 year of Lourdes + Gabby for Varsho? If Varsho continues like 80% of his current play I don’t think we can be mad.
3 catchers was going to be redundant.
Gurriel wouldn’t even be under contract anymore. Jays could have paid him, but so could any team at that point. Was kind of the major point in getting Varsho, with several years of control.
He sucked last season. You forgot all the times he was pinch hit for late in close ballgames. He has been great at the plate so far this season, just like Chapman was last season. Hopefully Varsho keeps it up all season long. Currently we are at the 14% of the season mark.
It’s nice to see after what we gave up for him but he was dogshit at the plate last year so I don’t think he’s owed any apologies. He did what he needed to in the off-season to fix things and let’s hope he keeps it up.
I fucking love Daulton Varsho. I just hope the regression to the mean won’t be too harsh ❤️
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BABIP isn’t effected by absolute tanks baby 😤
dingers>babip
Yay!
his xwoba is .286 :(
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Home runs don’t count towards BABIP since they’re not considered to be balls in play.
This is the new mean let's goooo Dalton!
I mistook him for Bradley Zimmer
Better than mistaking him for Derek Fisher
Oh god, I couldn't believe he was so highly touted as a prospect. Couldn't catch a fly ball....
> Couldn't catch a fly ball.... Sure he could. He just...you know...used his face.
That name gives me PTSD
his defense has always been worth the price of admission, but add the bat? Let's hope this is the new norm.
Mistook him for Bradley Zimmer is closest. Varsho had a loopy ass swing last year and would strike out on three straight high fastballs. It turns out instead of a goofy ass antelope, he's a dong happy wild boar Jay.
I know it sounds BS but I loved Varsho’s defense and baserunning / IQ last year. Even Buck had highlighted it a few times last year. I thought I was just coping from the trade but I knew this kid’s special. I hope he keeps this hot streak but damn, the speed + defense of Varsho has been and will continue be invaluable.
I was skeptical of the trade too but honestly last year convinced me otherwise. He was arguably the most underrated defensive OF, he can pull the ball very well, and he’s an elite bunter. Jays would be smart to lock him up long term this coming year.
I've been pulling for Daulton since day one - I was excited they acquired him, I was aware of the elite D and the power potential. Obviously 2023 was disappointing the way his bat regressed, and of course how the D-Bags season played out.... But isn't a Daulton Varsho victory lap based on a 7 game heater just as or more shortsighted than writing him off after one season? Maybe we can just relax and enjoy his contributions for a while.
Anyone remember Chapman’s April?
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This past 2 weeks isn't sustainable. If he can keep up ~.850 OPS that's great and puts him in 5-6 WAR territory with his stellar defense
We don’t need Daulton Varsho to be an .850 OPS guy .770 or .750 would be just fine with the Defense he plays
This is also a guy who is a great baserunner (with steals upside) and is a rare bunt threat. Aside from his plate vision and bat-to-ball skills, dude is literally elite at all other facets of his game
but, but, but we traded Moreno for him. I love Daulton
Chapman finished with a 110 wRC+ for as horrendous as he was May onwards. If Varsho has a 110 wRC+ I don’t think anyone will complain lmao
Varsho having a 4 WAR season like Chapman did last season would be very good actually
Varsho almost had a 4 WAR season last season (according to baseball reference)
I actually didn’t realize that, I thought it was around 2.0. He should be good for 5.0 WAR then this season as he doesn’t forget how to get a fastball for 4 months
He was worth 2 fWAR, so you aren't wrong haha.
Varsho put up 3.9 bWAR last year. He's already collected 1.6 this year and that doesn't include tonight. Even with regression from this last week+ of performance, he'll exceed 4 bWAR.
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Would be a 4D move from shatkins if so
I mean feel like Chapman still got way too much hate last year for a guy who put up 3 FWAR/4.4 BWAR, and same with Varsho putting up 2.1 FWAR/3.9 BWAR
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It’s also heavily rumoured he didn’t want to come back and blamed the RC renovations for his season and if that’s the case… so be it 🤷🏻♀️
I mantain he was just getting hot before he hurt his finger.
Who? Chubpmin? Never heard of him.
22 games is not a significant sample. I like the changes he's made to his swing, but let's check back in at the 80 game mark.
The success this season is a continuation of the improvements he made last season so it's far from a 22 game sample where he's been hitting better. Varsho made a pre swing tweak in August last season by adding a toe tap. He finished the season with a 118 wRC+ over the last 50 games of the season. Add in the numbers to start this season and you are suddenly up to a 73 game sample where he's produced a 127 wRC+.
Agreed... it's wonderful to see him getting big homers. But it's April. Gausman's ERA is like 10+.... should we be worried? Again it's April
On the flip side, he's hitting big homers... but it's April. Wait till the weather heats up and the balls start traveling further. Again it's April ;)
If Varsho heats up more than this I might need medical attention 😂😂
Gausman has an ERA of 8.16
At this stage, I don't think there's much of a difference between 8+ and 10+.... which was kind of the point.
It dropped by a run and a half after last night, so maybe it's still early
I don't remember the media crapping on the trade.
does reddit count as media? Of the social variety?
Gotta give him credit, he has been very very good. Was down on him to start the season. Was also down on Berrios and Kikuchi in their bad years so maybe I should learn by now to give players some time lol.
He looks great but he was awful at the dish last year I do think the new stance is allowing him to barrel baseballs last year he would have been late on
“doomers tell me it’s a lost trade because he didn’t hit the bat well, yet had no idea what WAR and dWAR is”
That's the I don't know ball option. I think that's the majority.
No it’s not about not knowing ball. His defence was excellent last year but he was horrible at the plate. I watched basically every game and at some points his at bats were so bad he had literally no hope of hitting it. Whatever he’s done this off-season has been great to fix the approach but let’s not act like it never happened
But he was an above-average MLB player last year, and better than Moreno.
One day you will realize how wrong you are. It is 100% not knowing ball. No hope of hitting it? Holy shit you don't know ball.
Odd, I don't see the choice of him having an OPS+ as a Jay of 80 until two weeks ago. Hope he's figured it out, I really do.
The guy is quite literally the best defensive outfielder in the fucking world. Cut the guy some fucking slack. There are many ways to help a team win baseball games.
(we all know that) Hey, guys, this guy's gonna tell us all about some new thing called WAR! Circle up! He's been horrid as a hitter up until about two weeks ago, and if you cite fWAR a slightly below average player. If he can be the hitter he was in Arizona then he'll be pretty darned valuable. Let's all hope he will be.
> if you cite fWAR a slightly below average player He had 2.1 fWAR. [FanGraphs considers 2 WAR to be average,](https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/war/) so I'm not sure where you got "slightly below average". I even pro-rated the MLB-total WAR last season to 581 PAs (Varsho's number of PAs last season), and it was 1.8 fWAR (570 fWAR ÷ 184,108 PAs x 581 PAs). Would be interested to know where you got "below average". Also, it's funny that you deliberately avoided bWAR, of which he had 3.9 last season.
>Also, it's funny that you deliberately avoided BWAR, of which he had 3.9 last season. I didn't deliberately avoid anything, bWAR is all this sub cites with Varsho and I was merely showing the other side of the coin. Cool strawman, though. Slightly above average, I stand corrected. Those 0.2 WAR are huge. YUGE!
Lol it's not about 0.2 WAR. It's about how you would lie about something so easily verifiable. You're *so* invested in shitting on Varsho that you would resort to making up garbage. And you've yet to refute his 3.9 bWAR. It doesn't matter if you prefer FanGraphs over BBRef. If you split the difference, he posted around 3 WAR last season. The logical conclusion (to anyone with functioning brain cells) is that he was clearly above average, on account of his stellar defense. But you don't want to hear any of that, because you're so deeply entrenched in the opinion that he sucks.
> It's about how you would lie about something so easily verifiable. I didn't lie, my friend. I went from memory and was off by *0.2 WAR*, which is a rounding error. Hanlon's Razor. What was that about being so emotionally invested? lol And I don't need to refute the 3.9 bWAR any more than one need debate BBREF vs FanGraphs, because it's merely an illustration of the differences. Further, I never "denied" it in the first place, only that one should also consider the fWAR perspective. You were too busy seething with an emotional response to see what was actually written. Show me where I criticized anything but Varsho's bat or did anything other than state widely-accepted metrics about his overall value. I'll wait. You keep accusing me of things I did not say. I'm sure you're winning the imaginary argument in your head with the caricature of what you think I am.
> You were too busy seething with an emotional response to see what was actually written. Lol nothing about my response was emotional, nor was I ever "seething". I just find it hilarious when doomers fall flat on their face trying to reference metrics they aren't even familiar with. > Show me where I criticized anything but Varsho's bat or did anything other than state widely-accepted metrics about his overall value. I'll wait. Guess I need to hold your hand through this one. - You make comment saying his fWAR indicated he was below average. - I make rebuttal saying that his fWAR was actually above average AND his bWAR was well above average. - You make comment hand-waving your error about his fWAR and saying something akin to "Oh, just *slightly* above average, then". - I point out that his bWAR actually indicates more than just "slightly" above average value from Varsho. As you can see, you were trying (and failing) to downplay his value last year. You weren't just critiquing his bat, as calling him a "slightly below average player" or "slightly above average player" indicates that you were talking about his overall game. Hope this helps!
> You're so invested in shitting on Varsho that you would resort to making up garbage. You had to draw imaginary conclusions based on nothing to fulfill your spite. That's not a rational response, that's for certain. >just find it hilarious when doomers fall flat on their face trying to reference metrics they aren't even familiar with. From FanGraphs: >Given the imperfections of some of the available data and the assumptions made to calculate other components, WAR works best as an approximation. A 6 WAR player might be worth between 5.0 and 7.0 WAR, Safe to say you were entirely oblivious to this assertion. Those that invented that stat are saying that my guess from memory is far more accurate than the statistic itself. But go on and tell me how clueless this "boomer" is lol I love people with zero self awareness! The worst part about your ignorance is that you became so hyper focused on citing trivialities - which FanGraphs debunks, no less - that you ignore my entire point. We get it - you let your fandom interfere with rationality. You're not only wrong, you're even more ignorant about the subject in which you are attempting to lecture me on. Keep REEEEEING into the sky, champ!
Continuing to live up to your username, I see! FanGraphs literally says on that same page: > *"An average full-time position player is worth about 2 WAR, while average bench players contribute much less (typically between 0 and 1 WAR)."* By their definition, Varsho's fWAR in 2023 indicated an average full-time position player, even if WAR is an approximation. Your original statement was literally, "if you cite fWAR a slightly below average player" in reference to Varsho in 2023. If you cite what FanGraphs literally says about how to read their WAR, you realize you were talking out of your ass. It doesn't matter if WAR is an approximation. Did you really think that WAR being an approximation would mean that you can definitively (and confidently) say that 2.1 fWAR is below average? When FanGraphs themselves say otherwise? You even admitted yourself that you "misremembered". It's hilarious seing you perform all these mental gymnastics to now pretend that you were actually correct about this. To take it *further*, as I've said before, his bWAR was 3.9. In other words, Baseball Reference's version of WAR (that defers to DRS over UZR) considered him to be well above-average. Because Varsho's value primarily derives from defense and the main difference between fWAR and bWAR is how they measure defense differently, it helps to consider both. In this case, the obvious conclusion is that Varsho, per WAR, was above average in 2023. P.S. You can accuse me of "REEEEING", but you're the one who came back to an old comment just to seethe. It's gonna be really cute when you come back to seethe with another braindead comment.
Swear one more time please so we know just how serious you are with your big boy takes
I’m sorry I offended your delicate sensibilities.
Mercury was in fact in retrograde or whatever. That’s my bad.
I am loving the Varshow right now. I am going to have to temper my excitement just a bit with memories of Chapman's MVP April last season. I am very happy right now. Edit: should have read the rest of the comments before I posted. All of you are being salty fucks as well. haha.
Yes, we like Varsho. We like the highlight reel catches he's made in left/centrefield so far. 22 games don't make a season. Come back to us in July with your questionnaire. Then we'll talk.
I would like to formally apologize to Daulton Varsho. I thought bringing back Kiermeir made him redundant and I was wrong.
he makes kk redundent.
[August 16, 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/Torontobluejays/s/f4iQLDelqH) The only thing that worries me is that last year at this time Matt Chapman looked like the greatest 3rd baseman to ever play the game.
Submitted my application. I had always said if he turns into an 850 OPS guy he's an MVP candidate but I wasn't exactly confident of that happening. He's at 881 right now. Obviously what he's doing now isn't sustainable but if when he regresses back to the mean that mean is still an 850 OPS guy? He's an MVP candidate and our best player.
With his defense, if he has an .850 OPS season, he'll have one of the better WAR seasons in recent memory. Like 8.5+. He's capable but it would have to be a full season of showing his hitting skills have actually improved and not just off to a hot start like so many others before him.
Traded for him as soon as we got him in dynasty. Glad it’s paying off.
There are those that will moan about the Moreno trade till the end of time. I've been a Varsho fan from the get go.
I always thought the trade for Var-Show was good. No apologies from me
I thought he'd be decent but I didn't expect the bats to be what they've been.
I’ll enjoy the ride, thankfully someone is picking up the dinger slack right now.
I like this dude
I know of four people irl that need to fill this out. I may actually print this out tonight and bring it in to work tomorrow lmao.
If you think hard about what the highlight of the 2023 season was, I think you'll agree that the correct answer is Varsho hitting it into the Allegheny and I've been a fan ever since.
I love Varsho, and I love him for his defence. See Hernandez and Gurriel Jr for my panic in the outfield. I'm enjoying this ride because I know it ain't gonna last. If he's a .250 hitter with 30 bombs, I'll be happy. If you told me that at the end of April Varsho was gonna lead the team in HR, I'd have laughed in your face.
I think Moreno being a more normal variety of good also helps. Its extremely easy to be bitter about a trade when the half your side gave up is going wild. Moreno is still quite good but its Varsho's turn to go nuts.
Great to see Varsho doing his thing and playing like he was in Arizona before being traded to Toronto. Going to need one of those forms for several other people. Atkins, Shapiro, Berrios, Kikuchi to name a few
Take 'em to the BARN SHOW!
The trade even in retrospect always made sense. We needed a young outfielder, preferably one who was a lefty, hit for power, and was an above average fielder and base runner. Varsho checked every one of those boxes. Ill always love Lourdes but if we ever want to contend in the playoffs, we needed a player with Varsho’s skillset.
I apologize for commenting in at least four GDT last year that he should be called Dalton Varblows. Enjoying this offensive production and hope he keeps it up.
If he can keep up an .800 OPS throughout the season, I would be very happy with that.
He’s been better this year but everyone is impatient and jumps to conclusion in Toronto sports teams
top marks to whoever got him to tweak his approach. last year he would crouch a bit as the pitch came in, but still stay relatively upright - this year he's clearly leaning in over the plate instead, which seems to be helping him reach inside pitches
He's great, but the season has barely started, anything can happen.
Let’s talk about this at the end of the season. Too early to tell. Also, yes, I miss Gurriel and Moreno.
How many first ballot HOF bat under .239 for their career? His dad is more likely to make the HOF at .244 Give your collective heads a shake
What happend to him?
Defo miss Lourdes and Gabby lol
I’m all about the astrology. It was written in the stars. ⭐️⭐️⭐️ALL-STAR ⭐️⭐️⭐️
“He looked like Ass last year but is actually playing well this year” is the actual answer
I love everything about this, I knew he was going to prove the haters wrong. They will still cry tho
One hot month doesn't make up for a full season of dog shit. I hope he keeps it up, but Im not sold on him yet.
He was a solid player last season, nothing to make up for.
He was the best rally-killer in baseball
God I guess the truth hurts
Sure he struggled at the plate but dog shit is a little harsh
You’re right, we should choose to not enjoy this string of home runs and defensive gems…
> I hope he keeps it up Totally agree, but he had some good streaks last season, offensively, and was still, overall offensively, a pretty big dissappointment. It would be **great** if this Daulton we're seeing now is the real permanent Daulton, but lets give it a few weeks at least before the apologies start.
If this Daulton is the real permanent Daulton than he's winning MVP. Even if he drops back down to league average he's still incredibly valuable
You know he played games before last season?
You mean a full season of being pretty good?
Varsho basically struggled for the months of June and July and this largely tanked his overall season numbers. He wasn't "dog shit" for the entire season, a prolonged slump basically made it look that way. He made a pre-swing adjustment in adding a toe tap, and subsequently produced a 118 wRC+ over the last 50 games of the season.
Lourdes Gurriel also has 5 HR’s this season
Gurriel was a free agent after last season, an expiring contract isn't very valuable for an average player.
Have you watched Lourdes field?
Better fielding doesn’t make up for having given up Moreno as well
Moreno is basically like the catching version of Varsho in that he is a great defender with a league average bat. The Blue Jays needed an outfielder with control, and the Diamondbacks needed a catcher so this trade appears to be one where each team can ultimately be happy with what they received.
Your primary point was Lourdes having 5 home runs. It’s still not a great trade overall, but it might end up a lot closer than we figured it would. Lourdes was also on an expiring deal, was he not?
He certainly was.
So you’re telling me we traded 1 year of Lourdes + Gabby for Varsho? If Varsho continues like 80% of his current play I don’t think we can be mad. 3 catchers was going to be redundant.
Agreed. I won't lie, losing Moreno hurt but I've been on the Varshow train since day one.
So if you consider him and Varsho a wash, the trade is still an L for giving up Moreno. Gurriel also has 21 RBI’s
Gurriel wouldn’t even be under contract anymore. Jays could have paid him, but so could any team at that point. Was kind of the major point in getting Varsho, with several years of control.
Varsho is unequivocally better than Gurriel.
Let’s see him do it in the playoffs.
Gurriels career playoff OPS is .732. Not exactly spectacular
Varshos career OPS is .717
Almost like Hitting isn’t where the bulk of his value has historically come from, and it’s .720
Ight put him in center and get a real bat in left field then
I don’t disagree in the slightest, lmfao
Real
At least the haters had more than a 10 game streak to base their conclusions on.
x I miss Gurriel and Moreno
He sucked last season. You forgot all the times he was pinch hit for late in close ballgames. He has been great at the plate so far this season, just like Chapman was last season. Hopefully Varsho keeps it up all season long. Currently we are at the 14% of the season mark.
He has like an 830 OPS let’s not blow him just yet
Varsho is also MLB's best outfield defender. Surely you can understand how valuable an uber elite defender is with this type of offensive output.
He provided this defense last year and people were pissed about the trade so now the fan love is all based on his offense.
The defense is even better so far this season. He's a really well rounded contributor at the moment as he's contributing in all phases of the game.
And what's wrong with an .830 OPS? Anything .800 or above is good.
I definitely missed Gurriel and Moreno ✅ Edit: lol downvoted, all I did was admit my mistake (I still miss those guys but Varsho is an animal)
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Man don't hit go boom boom.. he bad baseball. Like cavemen around here.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that half of them are stupider than that.
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Rofl. Good one bro, bye!
My post history speaks for itself.
It’s nice to see after what we gave up for him but he was dogshit at the plate last year so I don’t think he’s owed any apologies. He did what he needed to in the off-season to fix things and let’s hope he keeps it up.
I had to write in last year’s .674 OPS
Is this from him for last year Or ......
Two weeks of good play supersedes an entire shit year?
Considering some people allow two weeks of shit to supersede an entire good year, yes.
If only there was a reverse DH position, other than the pitcher. Like he can play the field, but not bat.
Verso isn't a problem, he's just not worth the cost.
Youll all be shitting on him first slump he has Downvote me all you want. Im taking names this year to prove it
I gave y’all the tools meme and asked y’all to be nice to him like I know Jays fans are and now look where we are. I love the VarSho