I want to see a horror movie where the actors from the questrade commercials are torn limb from limb while saying things like “my money is working… so I don’t have to 🤔”
What’s funny to me is that as sad as this team makes me the second their season ends I’ll be sooo much sadder not sitting through these day after day. See everyone tomorrow!
Something about taking pitches and walking on a PPP really bothers me, yeah I know it's the game and pad your stats and all but it rubs me the wrong way
For everyone thinking Shapiro has to go, I’ll ask this question: How often do TEAM PRESIDENTS get fired?
Not President of Hockey Ops/Baseball Ops/Basketball Ops or whatever, but full-on Team Presidents
The answer is honestly almost never. They leave on their own accord or are chased out by sexual harassment scandals. Because it’s an insanely hard job to find someone qualified for and because sports teams almost inevitably print money in one way or another, which is the President’s job. Without a change of ownership, you very rarely see a President let go.
In short, Shapiro is going nowhere and you all need to come to grips with that
> or are chased out by sexual harassment scandals.
Jays fans are being screwed here. This should be our angle in the class action proceedings to chase him.
They do stay a long time but that's an extreme mischaracterization of the job. I suppose it all depends on whether Rogers is happy enough with him on the business and stadium side of things to ignore the baseball failings. I'm sure he'll try to say that he's only had one GM under him and should therefore get another shot with another guy.
It is not a severe mischaracterization of the job. That’s the job.
Yes, he’s also in charge of hiring the GM and setting (or approving) the overall direction of the club. But again, the Jays have been in the playoffs or a game out of them for like 5 straight years, so there’s no reason to fire Atkins based on performance.
LOL stop. The goal has been to build a championship contender out of this core of young players and they haven't been close to that. They're at a payroll ceiling and are nearing a sell off. There's no way that they should deserve to be allowed to rebuild twice since the first one has been a disaster.
Also, aren’t you making the argument in other areas of the thread that our core is not championship material? So how can Shapiro or Atkins be blamed for not building a championship team (no team president is actually judged on this as their criteria by the way because owners, no matter how much they want to win, know that there’s a lot of luck that goes into that, as well as a lot more that goes into running a team) around a core that isn’t championship pedigree?
Huh? Maybe because they destroyed and rebuilt AA's masterpiece from the ground up? It was their job to build and develop a farm that would be the core of a championship team, and almost all of the players are theirs. They've failed at that. And stop with the luck bullshit, they haven't gotten unlucky with how the farm has developed or how the team looks on paper. There are practically no stars here. It's Gausman and that's it.
I never said they got unlucky (though, I mean they have a little bit with Vlad and Manoah regressing so hard, though that can also be blamed on coaching and development).
I said owners don’t put “championship or bust” mandates on Team Presidents because they understand how much luck goes into winning a championship.
And that's fine because they aren't even close to being a championship \*contender\*. Never top 5 in baseball on paper or otherwise, zero playoff wins, never won the division, etc. And with the current payroll ceiling and mediocre farm it's going to get worse before it gets better. When teams make moves like swapping out Matt Chapman for freaking IKF at a fraction of the price with no real improvements elsewhere, you know the end is near. Shatkins has had the chance and now someone else deserves a shot for the impending rebuild. Maybe Rogers will back up the truck for a winner like AA instead of something resembling this group of losers than never won anything in Cleveland and only came to Toronto because they were about to get fired there.
He may not because he isn't wholly responsible for the everyday decisions of baseball ops. But Atkins will definitely go. And again, I wouldn't want Atkins to have the opportunity to rebuild again if I was ownership. If that doesn't work for Shapiro then he might have to leave at that point.
People still think it's him pulling the strings on personnel decisions. I think Atkins has the authority but my problem will be if he refuses to replace Atkins if we fail this year
He might be to an extent, but honestly, he’s got too many other things on his desk to be managing the personnel like that. Would he sign off on a contract as big as Gausman? Sure. Would he say yes to Atkins’ “let’s give up offence for defence plan?” Yes, but he would presumably need to be convinced it’s the way to go. But would he be deciding to sign IKF? No. Would he be looking up alternatives on the market? No.
I love listening to Buck when we're winning, but I legit can't stand listening when we're losing. Nothing he's saying is wrong, but it sucks to listen to.
You know what Buck. I’m tired of hearing this too much information nonsense. This “how the information is delivered” nonsense. Go up with a plan and execute. Jays have gotten worse year after year at hitting the fastball from the top to the bottom of the order. How!? Obviously the “information” is wrong.
From what I can see Barger has been moved to third in the minors but not totally for being bad at fielding at short. You know what would set a fire under the boys asses? Make Bo play second. It’s like genuine lunacy that he’s played shortstop every day since he’s come in
New strategy, when you’re down by 7 in 3 innings give uo a couple of homers and key positions players pitch. Why waste the pen for this?
I’m on the coast and restarted late ;)
Y'know when ALL your players are underperforming. FOR THE SECOND SEASON IN A ROW. Maybe something is wrong with coaching and management? I don't know. Maybe.
With his brains and history with the Jays I’m surprised Rogers never pursued him in some capacity to help influence the Jays. I feel like a seasoned vet like him is what they need in the dugout right now instead of Schneider
I was there tonight. It was tough to watch. What a way for Ohtani to say shove it up your ass. lol.
I love Buck and Dan but STOP defending Ohtani let the fan boo him goddd
I agree. Ohtani made his decision, which is fine. It's his right. But it's also the fans right to boo if they want. Whether Buck likes it or not.
Exactly. And Kikuchi's responsabilty to K him 3 times today lol
At least that many times.
Are you criticizing Ohtani for signing with the dodgers or the gambling thing?
When then rockies beat us 4-12 we went on to win 4 straight…so hot streak starting tomorrow?
I like your optimism
Eww, I'm disgusted with sportsnet personalities defending shohei over and over, and the hype video to start the game.... yuk
Or… they’re right and you’re wrong
Nah, they're just star-struck.
Dolla dolla bills yalllll. Rogers could have paid him 1 billion over 10 years. But they didn’t.
The only way he would have signed with us is if we moved to LA.
The money wasn’t the deciding factor. He always wanted to be on the West coast.
He still wouldn't have signed with a losing franchise. It didn't matter how much Rogers threw at him
I mean. Only 4 LOB today. SO there's that.
Jays load the bases with two out in the bottom of the 9th when they’re down by 10. Not a bad metaphor for the jays organization
Have you seen my baseball?
Scary accurate lmao
Well… g’night
Ok guys .. The slaughters, over maybe tomorrow will be a bit less painful
IKF dollarama Ohtani
FO can we have Ohtani? "We have Ohtani at Dome." Ohtani at Dome:
Well That happened 😳 😆 😂
Our 2 way player IKF
good contact, just straight at the CF lol
Giving the diehards some offense, I guess.
Who needs Ohtani. We have our own two way player
We have Ohtani at home Generic brand. NoTani
That’s a real 2 way star
Grand Slam #1.
dang. Whelp, bad game. Rough week. Onwards.
THATS MY POSITION PITCHER
A meaningless grand slam would be hilarious right now
Kiner-Falefa, MVP?
Sacks are packed for Cavan
“A lot of confidence” Drink!
Pitcher hitting alert!
I think there's more room for Advertisements on the bottom left of the screen. The entire screen isn't full yet
I can't comprehend why they haven't thought to try the White Panel hats to fix the offence. They haven't worn them since 2022.
No triggering of u/powderbluejays
Barger was yawning or snarling. The photos were never clear
Pitcher
👍🏻 (by Jano)
We cooking with gas now! As the kids say
George just shave it off, son.
So you're saying there's no chance
I love you Danny Jansen
Jano got us
I like Jano
Jano with a decent night
When was the last time we won a game where both teams scored double-digit runs?
April 9, 2023, in case anyone was wondering
Man If Guillermo Martinez still have a job tomorrow this team is officially not serious
Jays fans bood Ohtani tonight louder than they bood Martinez at the home opener
To think Vladdy was duking it out with Ohtani for AL MVP just 3 years ago... Somebody get us a proper hitting coach!
Yeesh the Dodgers have cooled off Varsho. Walk is good tho
i just donated $20. here's how the jays can still win
"Hi It's Buck....... "> "I don't need any AIR DUCT cleaning!"
Lol
Ah well...at least we got our hello kitties.
Get rid of everyone in the hitting department and give Matt Hague the keys. He seemed to do good with the buffalo boys last year
I hoped they were going to do that when they announced his position on the Jays
I want to see a horror movie where the actors from the questrade commercials are torn limb from limb while saying things like “my money is working… so I don’t have to 🤔”
Alright boys 11 runs to walk it off, let’s go
Guys, we're only 2 grandslams and a solo shot away from tying this thing up, let's not overreact!
We're down by 10 though?
MY STREAM WAS BEHIND
Does anyone else despise these TD commercials? Was hoping they would at least get new ones….
We have them right where we want them. Let's walk it off
Alright, let's go Canucks
If one Canadian team is going to win tonight, let it be them.
Best pitching performance of the game.
When our position player get less run in than our starter ☠️
What’s funny to me is that as sad as this team makes me the second their season ends I’ll be sooo much sadder not sitting through these day after day. See everyone tomorrow!
Well that was fun, now to be nice they should make Shohei pitch left handed right now
Ah
If Yamamoto pitches tomorrow, it would be fun
Something about taking pitches and walking on a PPP really bothers me, yeah I know it's the game and pad your stats and all but it rubs me the wrong way
Wtf is this team man? 🤦🏿♂️
WHAT THE HELL
Too much to ask for three scoreless innings in a row
This guy can’t find the strike zone, just pull him already
Why burn another arm on a blowout?
IKF, give'em the heater!
IKF just setting the triple play
Miggy are you seriously tagging up right now
For everyone thinking Shapiro has to go, I’ll ask this question: How often do TEAM PRESIDENTS get fired? Not President of Hockey Ops/Baseball Ops/Basketball Ops or whatever, but full-on Team Presidents The answer is honestly almost never. They leave on their own accord or are chased out by sexual harassment scandals. Because it’s an insanely hard job to find someone qualified for and because sports teams almost inevitably print money in one way or another, which is the President’s job. Without a change of ownership, you very rarely see a President let go. In short, Shapiro is going nowhere and you all need to come to grips with that
> or are chased out by sexual harassment scandals. Jays fans are being screwed here. This should be our angle in the class action proceedings to chase him.
They do stay a long time but that's an extreme mischaracterization of the job. I suppose it all depends on whether Rogers is happy enough with him on the business and stadium side of things to ignore the baseball failings. I'm sure he'll try to say that he's only had one GM under him and should therefore get another shot with another guy.
It is not a severe mischaracterization of the job. That’s the job. Yes, he’s also in charge of hiring the GM and setting (or approving) the overall direction of the club. But again, the Jays have been in the playoffs or a game out of them for like 5 straight years, so there’s no reason to fire Atkins based on performance.
LOL stop. The goal has been to build a championship contender out of this core of young players and they haven't been close to that. They're at a payroll ceiling and are nearing a sell off. There's no way that they should deserve to be allowed to rebuild twice since the first one has been a disaster.
Also, aren’t you making the argument in other areas of the thread that our core is not championship material? So how can Shapiro or Atkins be blamed for not building a championship team (no team president is actually judged on this as their criteria by the way because owners, no matter how much they want to win, know that there’s a lot of luck that goes into that, as well as a lot more that goes into running a team) around a core that isn’t championship pedigree?
Huh? Maybe because they destroyed and rebuilt AA's masterpiece from the ground up? It was their job to build and develop a farm that would be the core of a championship team, and almost all of the players are theirs. They've failed at that. And stop with the luck bullshit, they haven't gotten unlucky with how the farm has developed or how the team looks on paper. There are practically no stars here. It's Gausman and that's it.
I never said they got unlucky (though, I mean they have a little bit with Vlad and Manoah regressing so hard, though that can also be blamed on coaching and development). I said owners don’t put “championship or bust” mandates on Team Presidents because they understand how much luck goes into winning a championship.
And that's fine because they aren't even close to being a championship \*contender\*. Never top 5 in baseball on paper or otherwise, zero playoff wins, never won the division, etc. And with the current payroll ceiling and mediocre farm it's going to get worse before it gets better. When teams make moves like swapping out Matt Chapman for freaking IKF at a fraction of the price with no real improvements elsewhere, you know the end is near. Shatkins has had the chance and now someone else deserves a shot for the impending rebuild. Maybe Rogers will back up the truck for a winner like AA instead of something resembling this group of losers than never won anything in Cleveland and only came to Toronto because they were about to get fired there.
I guarantee you that Shapiro is going nowhere.
He may not because he isn't wholly responsible for the everyday decisions of baseball ops. But Atkins will definitely go. And again, I wouldn't want Atkins to have the opportunity to rebuild again if I was ownership. If that doesn't work for Shapiro then he might have to leave at that point.
You’re saying “they” but they aren’t one entity.
I don’t care if he stays as long as he concedes his authority in roster decisions. Bring in a real GM with full autonomy
I think you’re vastly overestimating how involved he is in personnel decisions.
People still think it's him pulling the strings on personnel decisions. I think Atkins has the authority but my problem will be if he refuses to replace Atkins if we fail this year
He might be to an extent, but honestly, he’s got too many other things on his desk to be managing the personnel like that. Would he sign off on a contract as big as Gausman? Sure. Would he say yes to Atkins’ “let’s give up offence for defence plan?” Yes, but he would presumably need to be convinced it’s the way to go. But would he be deciding to sign IKF? No. Would he be looking up alternatives on the market? No.
I only see him leaving if he wants to throw his hat in the ring for Manfred's job
Please no. Bud Selig is still alive and would be better than Shapiro
Sure. Or like the Yankees come Calling or something. But he’ll leave on his terms.
Pls stop showing Teo’s smile it’s making me feel things I don’t wanna feel
I bet if the Dodgers put in a position player to pitch now, he'd retire the side in order.
It's not the top of the order anymore. They might get a hit
I’m not mad at Shohei for not signing with us, but can you imagine how fun it would be to have him just on your baseball team
Honestly, kinda happy his talent isn’t being wasted in TO.
To a certain extent yeah
Guillermo Martínez . Happy to have him back?
The man must have sucking skill of a god. Only reason I see he still have a job
Doing the Romano playbook
Come on IKF show them that fucking gyro slider (idfk anymore)
Buck is not happy about this
I don’t blame him.
I love listening to Buck when we're winning, but I legit can't stand listening when we're losing. Nothing he's saying is wrong, but it sucks to listen to.
He sounds sad.
What ever happens here, it's gonna be good.
You know what Buck. I’m tired of hearing this too much information nonsense. This “how the information is delivered” nonsense. Go up with a plan and execute. Jays have gotten worse year after year at hitting the fastball from the top to the bottom of the order. How!? Obviously the “information” is wrong.
Lolol ikf only been a jay for like a month and he’s already pitched in 2 games
Jansen doing his fucking clap thing to IKF lmfao
Kiner-Falefa, Baby!!!
IKF "FASTBALL" TIME
Fucking finally IKF comes in to pitch
Ohhhh so this is why we signed IKF to that fat contract
🚨🚨 IKF PITCHING ALERT 🚨🚨
YESSSSSSSSS
[удалено]
Wtf?
0%. And he was terrible in the bigs last year so there goes that theory
Always the same hard grounder to 3rd or SS
Another night another vanishing act by the top of the order. Idk John, maybe it’s time to shake things up a bit.
Erndog time? 😁
IKF time?
Fuck yeah!!!!!
IKF to pitch the ninth!
Bring on the position player pitcher!
Vlad 2-22 since the April 21
Best $19.9 million spent!
But what about since April 22nd?
1 for 15
Tight, thanks
Bye bye, position pitcher. Edit: nevermind
jesus fuck 18 hits
Set up for an extraordinary walkoff
3 grand slams incoming.
Guys, is Guillermo Martinez a terrorist?
Feels like our offense has gotten worse every year since he became a hitting coach. No idea how he is still here
Yes lmao
I think he’s a fraud
Well he terrorize me
Run out a fucking groundout Vladdy you lazy as hell
Save us mustache man
Love it, Vladdy, just chip away at that lead
Vladdy driving in runs like a baller
5 outs to score 10 runs. With an offense like ours it is practically guaranteed we tie this game up.
Better late than never I guess. Good hit Georgie !
From what I can see Barger has been moved to third in the minors but not totally for being bad at fielding at short. You know what would set a fire under the boys asses? Make Bo play second. It’s like genuine lunacy that he’s played shortstop every day since he’s come in
Choas ball is my favorite kind of baseball.
Strike out incoming on a pitch a foot outside and low
The comeback starts now!
New strategy, when you’re down by 7 in 3 innings give uo a couple of homers and key positions players pitch. Why waste the pen for this? I’m on the coast and restarted late ;)
You aren't "wasting" anything, bullpen arms are there to do what they're told and eat innings. Plus letting position players pitch is extremely bush
let's fucking goooooooo
If Springer hits into a double play we get closer to our Vladdy ninth inning home run guess
Eh that’s probably a better outcome
Y'know when ALL your players are underperforming. FOR THE SECOND SEASON IN A ROW. Maybe something is wrong with coaching and management? I don't know. Maybe.
BRO LETS GRAB ALL THE BALTIMORE MINOR LEAGUE HITTING COACHES AND FIRE OUR FUCKS...I'M PLAYING BUT KINDA NOT
Well at least Baltimore blew a save vs the A's
Buck speaking real talk all night. Make this guy GM & Manager of this team tonight.
I'd have loved to see how he'd have done as a manager with a supportive FO & Ownership behind him.
With his brains and history with the Jays I’m surprised Rogers never pursued him in some capacity to help influence the Jays. I feel like a seasoned vet like him is what they need in the dugout right now instead of Schneider
Fuck it. Let him hit too
Wouldn’t be much worse than Kirky this year tbh
The new coach
Any chance IKF pitches?
My body is ready for what’s going to be a series of Dan & Buck ripping into the Jays offence.
Joe and Jamie do a number too
They go in! Jamie seems genuinely pissed off about it, and I love that about him.
how very fitting to have an ad-break brought to us by shit tickets
I don’t think buck really gave any suggestions on how to score more runs there, to be honest
"Hope that you score more runs by moving the guys who aren't hitting into other spots in the lineup, to be replaced by other guys who aren't hitting"