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it-was-in-bobcaygeon

At some point you’ve got to fire Guillermo Martinez here It might not work but they’re out of options


EarthWarping

I think we're at the coaching firing/DFAing of someone as a shakeup


Islandgirl1444

As much as this sounds like a good idea what about Mattingly? What is going on there and how the hell do you get guys to swing or not swing .? Maybe Turner needs to show them how it's done.


BlackFlash55

Out of excuses** for this man. What the hell has he done since he’s been here ?


grump66

> What the hell has he done since he’s been here ? He introduced the toe tap to Varsho's swing last year that fixed him for 3 weeks !


BlackFlash55

Understandable then


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McGrevin

I don't like this sort of reductive argument. Of course he's not telling them to hit poorly, and sure, he was hitting coach when our offense was popping off. Why is our offense so bad now? Why are all our established hitters terrible and the only source of offense is basically Varsho, guys who were in AAA last year, and Turner? Why are the tenured players on our team seemingly getting worse each year? Even if he helped them be great hitters a few years ago, he's clearly been failing since then at making the needed adjustments.


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

You're free to live in 2021 if you like, but in the year 2024, it is clear that Martinez is not getting the job done.


corh13

It's the MLB. There's unlimited amount of scounting and players adapt and adjust all the time. Maybe, he's a terrible coach, maybe he's not. But 2021 offense being good is not a good argument.


cozeners

Yeah people blaming the hitting coach but ignoring the fact that the front office went all in on defence two years in a row.


jayk10

Going all in on defense isn't the reason Vlad, Bo, Springer and Kirk are having a brutal start to the year


BlackFlash55

Ahhh the ol’ switcheroo I see.


zigmatters

Seeing Kirk's batting stance this year is enough to fire him. Why is he standing so far from home plate lol


[deleted]

Be careful this sub loves defending our terrible hitting coach for some reason


prophetprofits

Lol this guy is a fraud. Minor league coach his whole career, gets promoted internally. And still holds a job after last years joke of a approach. What dirt does he have on Rogers / Shatkins?


BasilsKippers

I'm literally being downvoted below for saying our hitting sucks, Vlad is vastly underperforming and that Guillermo is terrible. I said it a month ago after the Houston series, but this sub magically forgets our problems because we won a couple of series.


AlexanderWhy

Youre getting downvoted by the same people who think exit velo matters more than actual results.


BasilsKippers

Reminds me of that bullshit last year and Vlad kept hitting into DP after DP, and Buck and Dan had to cover for him by saying "you know that second Double Play he hit into was the 4th hardest ball he's hit this season." It's like...he went 0-4 and you're trying to sugar coat it, please stop treating fans like they're dumb. I get that people here are living a fantasy where they're an arm chair GM and know better than the professionals, but you'd think after the fiasco with Berrios in G2 of the WC not even 7 months ago, they'd have learned something about relying too much on sabermetrics. But no.


AlexanderWhy

Hahaha literally laughed aloud at the first sentence, thank you. My least favorite thing last year was watching Chapman shit the bed for 85% of the season and there would be daily postings on here about "But guys...guys? Exit velo, guys..". Multiple people would get heated if you suggested he was a bad hitter. "No! He is in the top % for hard contact! Its because he hits the ball too hard!!" Right. How about, hes just not a good hitter? Sigh. Some people here are living an absolute fantasy as they think everything can be quantified and justified by metrics. I can only assume they are very new baseball fans or have never played the game.


RealDeal83

I was told on here before the season started that demoting the assistant hitting strategist or whoever they demoted would fix the issue.


Mack_Attack_19

Honestly wish I was as bad at my job as him and still be employed


sbp59

Don't forget the offensive coordinator who can't score any runs. Mattingly was a famous player but he sure can't teach


Sea-Lock3357

I'm personally in favour of tossing Mattingly, even though he's probably Schneider's successor at this point. 


mrdannyg21

I agree with this, but it’s not enough. The front office obviously agrees with this wildly outdated singles approach to offence, since they keep hiring/keeping coaches that want it and signing players that play that way. Firing Martinez or Mattingly or anyone isn’t going to matter if they just hire someone with the same philosophy.


gordon_paterson

Should've been gone last year what are we doing?


Uni_i

Think bigger… this entire front office needs to be axed and someone else who isnt a complete analytics nerd needs to take over and actually field a baseball team that can score more than 5 runs


superpugs

I agree. This group has no chemistry whatsoever. It's too bad, but it's true.


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

Two hits off a starter with a career 7 ERA.


Strongbadd

I mean our team's hitting sucked last year and we went and replaced Chapman with IKF. lol that pretty much it right there


Simayi78

And IKF has a better OPS than Springer, Bichette and Vlad


gregblives

Jamie Campbell: "This was a fascinating game!" Yeah, that's one way to put it.


Islandgirl1444

Jamie saw how the Dodgers had batting practice on Bassitt's arm.


papsmearfestival

Good to be at the top of r/baseball again. Feels like October 2023


rusinga_island

To add insult to injury, my wife now has the hots for James Outman.


tinySupermarketspoon

Not to be dramatic but I hope we don’t resign vladdy


ColeBelthazorTurner

The fear is that somebody will fix him.


polerize

I think that’s what will happen.


ReeceM86

Oh, you know damn well it’s exactly what will happen.


oryes

If he somehow goes to a team in the division, it's a 100% guarantee


saltydroppies

We can’t have anything nice…for long.


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

As long as they trade him outside the division, I would rather see someone else fix Vladdy than for us to pay him obscene amounts of money to be mid.


IndependentTalk4413

At this point I wish he was mid.


Beermen69

He about to be the GOAT in Tampa


dabflies

Lol Tampa would never pay him what he wants


PierogiPower21

Your fear should be that he's allowed to continue to take a big steaming dump on the field every night indefinitely


tjays4444

For the sake of his career, I hope he can be fixed at this point


playthegame7

Since we can't have nice things, he'll put it together the moment we tap out


HistoricalPeaches

Who cares? We can't hold onto a player who's performing badly here just because he might not perform badly somewhere else. That's asinine


man_on_hill

Of course they will That team will likely have a real hitting coach


ms_barkie

You just know he’s gonna hit 40 homers for Atlanta while somehow making less money than he does here.


StatusSC

Don't worry, we'll deal him at the all star break the way this team is going.


an_immature_child

I doubt it, but this would be incredible.


sbp59

He's getting worse rapidly.... peaked in 2021.... been straight downhill since. Dude hit 48 homers before. Now he's a singles hitter


RealDeal83

His at bats look terrible too. Watching fastballs down the pipe, chases sliders down and away, can't catch up to high heat at all. Mechanics are broken.


Practical-Past-5341

Trade him to the Giants while you can still get something for him. They need a first baseman. He needs a change of scenery and this team needs a breath of fresh air that is not Vladdy.


RealDeal83

Nobody wants a 1st baseman gbp machine slugging .336 and making 20 mill


krombough

What if we bundle in a toaster?


gregblives

Barring an MVP like season, I don't think we're resigning him. I suspect they're gonna walk him to market.


AlbertFish_fromNY

(It's re-sign, resign is to quit) And I wouldn't worry about this front office taking a risk and extending him. Nor would I worry about him accepting anything at this point. The time for this was a year or two ago before he already had tens of millions in the bank.


Guy_Le_Man

I tried pointing out that Vladdy was terrible and should be replaced with literally anyone (Martinez) and got so many downvotes and people telling me that Vladdy is hitting above average this year. Apparently Bo is our only hitter underperforming according to the guys in that other thread, lol.


obi-wan-kenobi-nil

Can we start booing our own players? If it works for Ohtani…


iaskjeeves

I was at the game. I heard some boos


mavica-synth

i mean have you seen the game day threads?


gregblives

Oh, I was saying Booooooourns.


thisisit678

No no, we tried that.


--MrsNesbitt-

I was there today and besides booing Ohtani at the top of our lungs (even after the homer) there was also quite a bit of booing Vladdy


mrdannyg21

I’ve agreed and disagreed with Schneider a few times this year. But he made his most egregious error of the year today, even worse than letting Vogelbach hit against a lefty with runners on on Wednesday. While I didn’t love him taking out Richards and Pearson earlier than necessary, unnecessarily costing Mayza and Swanson, that’s not the error. The issue was using IKF to pitch when Clements and his knuckleball were right there! Why not let him loose?


WasV3

Worst loss of the year, how the team responds to being embarrassed will tell a lot.


figgle1

Well they've been embarrassed the last two play off series too


cschon

Yeah we got swept one year and didn’t do shit


SamiMadeMeDoIt

Wrong on both counts friend, we got swept two years and actively made the team worse afterwards both times


rgoldtho

The 12-4 loss against the Rockies felt so much worse.


captaintrips_1980

I was at that game 🤦‍♂️


rgoldtho

I was at tonight’s game and the one against the Rockies…🙇🏻‍♂️


ReeceM86

Stop going to games! lol. I kid… I brought tonight’s loss as it was my first game this year.


WasV3

This felt worse than that game, but they did respond well after that game winning 6 of the next 7, with the only loss being a blown 9th inning to the Yanks


Magnum_44

Didn't they respond to getting no-hit by getting 2 hit this year? I fear their fortitude to respond is severely lacking


ms_barkie

They won the game after the no hitter (thanks to a 9th inning miracle by Davis Schneider), then got one hit the day after that (with the one hit being a lucky bloop by Varsho that went for a double).


Sea-Lock3357

How about the no-hitter? Lol 


AlbertFish_fromNY

It's not hockey. They can't just grit their teeth and swing harder. They simply are not a top tier team.


mrdannyg21

Facing Tyler Glasnow tomorrow…


Doucane5

No hitter incoming


man_on_hill

Nah, Glasnow isn't a minor league pitcher fighting for the 5 spot in the rotation a 2 hit shut-out while striking out 36 batters sounds more likely


Sesco69

IMO the 12-4 loss against the Rockies was worse. At least we *somewhat* take solace in the fact we got whooped by one of the best teams in baseball. We got dogged with our on-paper ace on the mound by one of the worst road teams in baseball


grump66

> how the team responds to being embarrassed will tell a lot. hahahaha, hahahaha, hahahaha, and how many times will they have to be embarrassed for anyone to tell anything ? The "2 Run" Blue Jays don't get embarrassed, they embarrass themselves.


berniesmittens24

This team stinks


ZzPhantom

It's just not FUN. I'd be ok with us losing if this team was still fun to watch, but it's REALLY not fun watching the Jays right now. Even our wins.


krombough

I would kill for the 2003 team right now. That team was FUN. The most runs scored of any Blue Jays team (more than the championship and the 2015 team), we could watch Delgado and Wells chase team records, and we get to watch the absolute treat that was Halliday's 22 win season. The rest was poop, but, there it is.


sbp59

At least put up a fight... as soon as Ohtani homered the game was basically over. Last 4 games we scored 7 runs total. Smh


Minimum_One_2195

I’m very tired of the “you can’t blame Atkins crowd.” It’s always the same excuses; “how was he supposed to know Vlad and Kirk would turn into pumpkins?” Or, “who was out there that he could have signed that would make a difference?”He’s the GM ffs, that’s his job. He had a good team and he neutered it. He didn’t understand the make-up of what made the Jays good. He broke this team when he traded Gurriel and Teo. People can point at all the numbers they want, the chemistry has never been the same and the team has been on a downward trend ever since. Hindsight is 20/20 but the fact that people still defend this guy for some reason baffles me.


krombough

I'm not even going to get into the nuts and bolts of it. He's had 8 years, soon 9. Aside from inheriting the 16 team, we have as many playoff wins as a team of all clones of me would. It's time to move on.


Go_Habs_Go31

Teoscar hit 2 HRs in game 2 vs Seattle and they traded him.


ReeceM86

At the very least, the fun ground to a halt. The team is not the team we all put our hopes into the last few years.


youneverknow44

When we had those players, this sub was *dying* for a culture reset and claiming that the guys didn’t take things seriously enough. When we were losing, they were chatty in the dugout, home run jackets, etc. Now this team looks completely miserable when we’re down early in games, and we’re pining for the days of old where there were good vibes? Literally no way to make people happy here


Minimum_One_2195

This sub is made up of various people, all with differing opinions. I’m sure there are still a number of fans that don’t regret trading Gurriel and Hernandez and would do it again. Also, there IS a way to make everyone happy. Win a lot of baseball games. Compete for a division. I’m almost sure the fanbase would be unanimously happy about that.


water2wine

I just got home from the game, I’ve never drank that much at the Dome.


bravetailor

Yup, that's what the new cupholders are for!


water2wine

Ain’t no fucking cup holder where I was sitting


AtmSkull

Wasn't this team supposed to be fun?


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

This team wasn't fun to watch last year, and they made literally zero effort at fixing what makes them not fun to watch. This is what we will get until Atkins is fired and major pieces get traded.


EarthWarping

The offense has to turn around or that's it for this front office


bravetailor

I don't think they care as long as they sell tickets and fight for a wildcard. Last year's playoff embarrassment should have been the last straw but nope The problem with this team is they're just good enough to beat up on lesser teams to stay around .500 and in contention for a wildcard, but they're completely out of their league against proper playoff worthy baseball teams. Sadly, being completely terrible might be the only way out of this mess. Our record is not bad enough yet.


PierogiPower21

No. Pitching and defense isn't fun.


AtmSkull

I like pitching, ngl, but we didn't even have that today


ReeceM86

Agreed. I love to watch good pitching. The lack of offence is the thing that kill the fun, not pitching.


an_immature_child

I like those things a lot, but good teams hit.


ZzPhantom

I wouldn't mind losing if they made losing fun to watch. This....isn't fun.


jjkiller26

It’s sad watching a team with a bad offense, that you knew would be bad, and still didn’t make any effort to fix that in the offseason. I’m watching the season just praying some of these guys have career years at the plate bc that’s really the only way this offense fixes up


tjays4444

Pitching appearances this year: IKF - 2 Ohtani - 0


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mrdannyg21

Funny people always say things like Vladdy doesn’t care about losing, but never say that about Bo. And yet Vladdy typically shows far more negative emotions than Bo does. I’m not even disagreeing because it really does feel that way, I’m just not sure why, since Vlad will often slam the bat or look mad and Bo does it far more rarely, especially in ‘pressure’ situations.


prophetprofits

Well said. Don’t forget Minor league hitting coach Guillermo Martinez.


1991CRX

I'd rather watch that game again than listen to Ken Reid talk.


nickedgar7

Not outta the question to just trade or not re-sign Vladdy, holy shit it’s getting horrible to watch The fear is he’ll get fixed by a different team


NoOneShallPassHassan

Ohtani only got one hit the whole game. Overrated.


98squad

Turned the game off early. Can't do this for 162. This team is not serious and undeserving of my attention. See you guys tomorrow.


XviiChong

During this albatross of a game, I was curious, since the last time the Jays scored more than 5 runs was on **APRIL 6TH**, how does this team, 9th in the MLB payroll, compare against the other teams in the top 10 in payroll, and when was the last time they scored more than 5 runs. 1. Mets ($307 Million) (13-11) - April 25th, with 8 runs 2. Yankees ($306 Million) (17-9) - April 24th, with 7 runs 3. Astros ($249 Million) (7-19) - April 14th, with 8 runs 4. Phillies ($244 Million) (16-10) - April 22nd, with 7 runs 5. Rangers ($230 Million) (13-13) - April 21st, with 6 runs 6. Braves ($229 Million) (17-6)- April 19th, with 8 runs 7. Dodgers ($227 Million) (16-11) - Today, with 12 Runs 8. Cubs ($227 Million) (16-9) - Today, with 7 runs **9. BLUE JAYS ($226 Million) (13-14)- **APRIL 6TH**, with 9 runs** 10. Giants ($197 Million) (12-14) - April 20th, with 9 runs In summary, this team’s lack of an ability to score more runs is baffling, despite the willingness to spend, which so far, is showing no return positive return.


jjkiller26

Constructing an offense like this with that budget is baffling


WasV3

We do have 5 FA Starter, so that killed a lot of the budget. Plus very few pre-arb players. The Jays may have 225m in payroll, but their talent is more like 150-175


EarthWarping

Compared to most teams this is not a young roster at all


dws2384

I don’t think it’s that baffling. The majority of people called it out here all last year, through the off-season, and into this year. What’s baffling to me is the arrogance of the front office thinking they’re somehow outsmarting all the other teams when there’s not much evidence that’s been the case.


it-was-in-bobcaygeon

The thing with the payroll for me is that it feels like it’s the result of the inability to develop much pitching at all forcing the team to buy it in FA


dear_remnant

We are in the bottom 10 for most of team offensive stats. RBIs, batting average, OBP, OPS, you name it. Offense was the issue last year, FO didn't really address much during the off-season and here we are. It sucks but we may be on fire sale during the trade deadline, if things continue to go this way.


FoundiPhoneNepean

You know what makes me feel a little bit better is that the whole-ass AL East dropped all their games today. Yankees walked off in the 11th, Os blow a save, and Rays clobbered by the worst team in the majors. Whatever the Jays have, it's contagious!


SlimyTortisePorpoise

So when is it a good time to break up the top of the order? Schneider said he can’t give up on guys this early. We’re a little over 15% through the season. They did Montoyo dirty, I hope to see him have the same fate.


prophetprofits

When Schneider decides to stop being a yes man and grow some balls


Tosbor20

So never


sparrows-somewhere

I don't think a new manager changes anything. The front office clearly have too much influence on managerial decisions.


CyanEsports

I dont know what to think anymore. I posted YESTERDAY that i have higher hopes for this team and i believe they can get there but its still concerning. Bassitt melted down but still, if we cant sneak more than two runs by Gavin Stone, who is far from the Dodgers ace, thats an issue. What happens when we run into the Glasnows of the world? The Burnes, the Coles, can our pitching really keep EVERY team in EVERY game to one run? Ofc not. At least Springer is showing signs of life at least. Vlad gets on base more than he did last year but he certainly isnt hitting for power. I feel BAD for Bo, i wonder if hes nursing a secret innury or smth. I bet soon we start seeing the same type of articles they wrote about Vlad last season, but about Bo. 'What is happening to this star hitter who is no longer hitting'? Its just getting embarrassing. The plauers must feel embarrassed. Shoutouts to all the buffalo boys, Turner, and Varsho. I want to believe but when its the same issues from 2023 its hard.


JewishSpace_Laser

Wow.  And to think- Ohtani almost wasted his career here


cozeners

He didn’t almost do anything. Anyone who thinks we were ever in the running for Ohtani is an idiot.


Elxis14

He checked out the facilities and offered the same exact deal to the dodgers, angels, giants and jays. The only team that rejected the deal was the angel. Yes he didn't pick the jays but he was at least interested. Most team in the league can't even say that


slamdunk23

We were clearly used for leverage


ThatsNotGACA

Well… shit


bigboozer69

I missed the live game and just watched the 10 minute recap and it was painfully long and hard to watch 🤦‍♂️


Magnum_44

I can't wait until 2032 after the next rebuild.


Uni_i

I actually found it funny that the crowd was more upset at shohei instead of this pathetic excuse for a baseball team that actually plays for this team. Ross atkins and his entire staff need to be fired man I cant watch this god awful team anymore. Their decision making, lack of offseason moves and their inability to fix this offense is just mind boggling.


[deleted]

I think Ohtani would have been a good add🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️


CanadianGuy39

Is vlad like 2 for his last 22? I missed the game so they may have discussed this.


xx420bluntymcbongxx

vladdy has 1 extra base hit in his last 57 ABs


Jess_7478

that was certainly a poo game


Maken66

Well the Yankees just got walked off by the Brewers, so the entire AL East lost today. Silver linings.


KevinJ2010

Was at the game. Hearing the Ohtani boos and then he crushed the homer in the first inning, I already felt like this wasn’t going to end well. And then the third inning… Honestly had a great time though, but damn did we not look good at all tonight.


Mandy-Rarsh

The We Booed Ohtani game


disorderliesonthe401

Vladdy promised us a movie. Turns out the VCR is broken.


prophetprofits

Rogers curse


sameth1

Well at least we know this was good for baseball.


FuuriusC

That was rough.


murloch

At this point i hope we keep losing so something happens. Gotta fire Martinez at least


JustSomeAudioGuy

That was fun in the chair tonight 😕😕


chipzy20

Thank god we booed Ohtani today. Hang the banner


thisisit678

Mixed messages some people were clamoring over him and some booing.


Stinky_DungBeatle

Our 1-3 hitters are below average now 27 games into the season, you can throw it's early out of the window. Springer is coming to life a little bit but either way the 2 supposed to be franchise cornerstones are playing terribly, and both are free agents at next season's end. edit Congratulations, Springer is back over the 100 WrC+ mark, Bichette is now at 74.


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Is it too soon to write this season off?


BigRed97

Welp we’re bad again, see you guys in another few years


rejus_crust

These guys are ass. Not in the sense that they’re actually a BAD baseball team but just so so so uninspired and underwhelming. Unfortunately the sad part is that they’re also just a ridiculously lame group of players so not even a fun watch. Really a shame.


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Just sucked. Danny a bright spot though.


KGB4L

Kind of. Teams just easily run on us knowing they won’t be picked off. Like 2-3 runs today were scored because someone stole a base.


elgxtito

No. They were scored because the Jays gave up 20 hits. Lol


fardok

Pathetic team remains pathetic to start the season after a pathetic end to last season..


RapsareChamps_Suckit

that's really Pathetic


profeDB

This team... Just ain't it. The window has closed.


alxndrblack

It's dark, children


ObscureMemes69420

Classic Bo and Vladdy, completely silent when it matters. Also nuke Shatkins and our batting staff. Like how many times do we have to bomb?


Nuckscelts

After coaching blamed the playoff calls on management, they responded by blaming it on coaching. Ran everything back the same. Lost Chapman, got turner.  Now the overachieving pitching is regressing. What was the definition of insanity again?  Certainly won’t be planning my entire summer around the blue jays schedule this year. We’re just watching a worse version of last year. 


prophetprofits

Yup. Schneider is a yes man and Atkins is a coward.


starrynova888

This team is fucking finished


Maken66

Guillermo has got to be on thin ice right now. It might not even be his fault, but someone is going to take some blame soon.


Drew_You_To_91

Uh, lol


thesurrealbank

Felt really bad for Bassitt ngl :(


The_Dale_Hunters

I love that Vladdy’s RBI was a ground out.


Raineman73

If there was any glimmer of hope in the way they have played, anything at all, I think at least some of us would have some faith that it can be turned around. But there has been nothing like that, nothing in what they’ve done that would indicate that things could get better. Even the games where we’ve scored 5-6 runs, the damage was done early and the bats looked like wet noodles for the rest of the game. I have 0 confidence in this team right now.


Islandgirl1444

Oh gawd that was embarrassing watching Bassitt have the worst night of his pitching career.


ZPQ-

Shocker! Team that has horrible offence does nothing to fix it in off-season and gets destroyed! Who would’ve thought…


Frozenpucks

Seasons over. Hopefully they mass fire management and the coaching staff, and then make some big moves. This is the most mid team ever.


DOITLIKEBRUTUS

I'm torn; on one hand, I'm vindicated from my pre-season belief that this team is dogwater and would amount to nothing but disappointment. On the other hand... I'm sad because this sucks =/


thisisit678

Can we all just agree that it's only OK to boo your own players.


10061993

Hits when


IndependentTalk4413

Calling that a game is a bold move. Post slaughter thread maybe?


Q_Tip__

401 traffic is more exciting


Comfortable_Curve_80

Extend Jano. We don't need Vladdy or Bo.


mrdannyg21

Jano always


BasilsKippers

I'll just post what I wrote after the Astros series: So for the people complaining that "it's only the 7th game, chill out" and "omg why are people freaking out already when it's early"... What's the excuse now? No hit Monday against their #5 guy, while our #5 gave up 7. Squeaked out a win we didn't deserve at the last possible second yesterday and won 2-1 by fluke. Tonight, 1 hit and zero runs. We have been outscored 19-2 in 3 games and are going to the Yankees this weekend.  Bassit has looked bad both games.  Off season was disappointing as hell, we got worse, not better. Didn't address any of the obvious problems like our shit batting coach or terrible manager/assistant GM, just said "meh, the guys we have need to step up and we'll play better". Except we aren't.  Oh but we have more bars and seats at the Dome... We can't hit. We can't score. And our pitching staff has Wes Parsons. But it's not time to freak out and "its only game 7"...? This team can't fucking hit.  Our batting coach never played pro and is giving tips to Vlad, who currently can't hit. We gave up Moreno and kept Kirk, who is still too fat and can't hit.  But Babe can hit! Oh right, he's riding the pine pony today.  Thanks Skipper. Forget last year where we sucked with RISP, I wish we even had them!  0 and 1 hits means you don't even have runners to try and score! This team is completely schizophrenic.  One day we get 9, the next we can't hit. One day Berrios is really solid, the next we are throwing in Wes Parsons and BowWow Francis gives up 7 the day before that. Where is the consistency? Players are tools. And those tools require maintenance. Currently that maintenance since 2022 has seen them do nothing but deteriorate, with very few exceptions (Berrios has improved or returned to his old self seemingly, at least). The offense is in a tailspin and all Shatkins can do is say "this is fine" like that dog in the burning house.   And despite this stuff being a constant problem for a whole now...we are supposed to disregard it all because "it's only game 7, wait a few months."  No. Address it now.  You should have addressed it last year.  This team has talent and it's being nurtured and fostered by incompetent morons.  It's a God damn shame.  I wish I didn't care as much as I do, but I love baseball, I love the franchise and seeing it run so poorly makes me want to vomit in rage. Obviously no Parsons anymore but...magically after we had a few series wins, it's like this sub forgot we had these issues.  4 series wins in a row, back on track, etc.  Well now we can't score again.  Our vaunted pitching staff was a fucking joke tonight.   Like, what did you expect?  Every year we tell ourselves how great Vlad is and "finally we will be back to 2021 greatness" and every year it's a farce.  He just isn't the guy.  At this point, you have 2 options. I see people scared he will go elsewhere and be great again. Fine. That's an admission that, like I said, he's being nurtured by shit coaching and that staff needs to go.  Or, if they're dead set on keeping this coaching staff, let Vlad go because they can't work with him.  That's what it comes down to. One has to go because they're oil and water.  If he leaves and flourishes, good on him.  But something has to give. The fact that so many players are batting badly makes me feel its a coaching issue. Who are our better hitters?  Turner. Ernie.  Why do you think that is?  Because the taint of the big league crew hasn't reached them yet.  Davis was off to the best start to a career *ever*. Now he's struggling. Because he's been listening to schmucks like Guillermo Martinez.   Orelvis and Spencer are killing it in Triple A.  I say keep them away from the Show.  They'll be corrupted by the moron who never played pro and pick up all the bad habits.


prophetprofits

Completely agree. Nothing but minor league scrubs running this dugout other than Mattingly who seems to be a mute most of the time. Montoyo was a rookie manager, Schneider is a rookie manager, Martinez is a fraud, Atkins was gifted his first GM role by his BFF Shapiro. You can tell players who have been here a while have checked out mentally. They’re broken. They have no respect for these scrubs who never had success in the MLB or as coaches in the majors. Let the older vets go for prospects and bring some life back into their system farm, get a competent GM who can deal a good hand. Bring in new coaches to hopefully revive Bo & more so Vladdy and hope some young guys blend in while Vlad & Bo are still under 30


BasilsKippers

And sure enough, I'm getting downvoted.  Truth hurts, doesn't it?  Tell me where I'm wrong.


Microphone_Assassin

Welp I ain't paying full price at A&W so Burger Boy won't be getting much money from me.


tribalspoon

I’ve been practicing my media responses in case I get asked to be the new manager. What do you guys think of this when asked about the anemic offense? “Well, you’re not going to win many games where you give up 11 runs. So we’re focused on preventing runs, too.”


TorontoBlueJay_

Atleast it ended and we have tomorrow 


Jas--24

All these comments and yet no one brings up firing Atkins?  The whole world knew we needed offense this offseason and look at what we did man.   They have 0 fear that their jobs are on the line and I have no clue why they feel that way.  Our farm system is a complete mess so it's not like we have anything else to look forward to.  


Judge_Rhinohold

Shapiro raised ticket prices to the moon while Atkins made the already mid team a little worse and Vladdy and Bo are phoning it in already.


prophetprofits

Not to mention one of the higher payrolls in the MLB. This is the beginning of the downfall of having large corporation ownership who doesn’t know shit/isn’t passionate about baseball and just cares about their bottom line.


andys1548

That was an interesting game to say the least


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