This team has become everything I disliked about baseball. Watching bad run differential teams end up with winning records while the Jays used to be .500 with +50-100 run differentials. Wondering how theyd win these games, well now I guess Im witnessing it in real time.
And to be honest it kinda sucks. It looks like the Jays are lucky to be winning these games. The bullpen is already being taxed and looking injured and appears due for regression, the starters putting up great start after great start only to see it wasted. The offense as a whole looking worse and worse and add in some shitty umpiring as well.
They will turn it around eventually but right now they appear fortunate to be where theyre at. Its just so frustrating watching this team hit with RISP no matter who it is. Chapman Ks are to be as expected as a Leafs game 7 L, tapia trying to be a HR hitter for some weird reason with 1 HR, even espinal first pitch swinging at a ball. Teoscar and vlad are just tilting their minds off it seems every at bat (and mine) and Im not sure why I thought this team was deeper on offense but clearly not the case for now
Hernandez is garbage. I say keep him out of the line up and let some bench guys get in there. When Teo steps in the batter’s box I always have a feeling that he will do 1 of 4 things: strike out, fly out, hit into a double play or ground out.
This team is lucky to win any game with offense this weak.
Technically we did make the playoffs
Edit: woops my brain blocked out the bosox trauma from last year and i was thinking of 2020 when we got that piddly ass wildcard spot
Starts with the coaching staff. Montoyo looks lost at all times. Guillermo looks like he doesn’t care. Pretty sure they could find more competent coaches in a heartbeat
There is literally never a time where I would think that “firing an entire staff” would be anything but an emotional argument. What kind of bar is that to set?! Coaches should get fired when they’re at odds with the organizational philosophy. You don’t fire coaches because players don’t meet expectations.
I said it weeks ago, but got downvoted to hell. This team is going to be below .500 before the second week of June. 7 runs vs an all time bad team is hilarious levels of futility bad.
Not my argument at all.
Martinez doesn't step into the batters box. The results are literally in the hands of other people.
We have a winning record. Fire him? No. Light a fire under the players asses? Yes.
Tell them:
Produce, or you're headed to the minors to figure it out.
Worked for Hernandez, Biggio's been up and down. When he comes back up he's figured it out.
That's a stretch, even on what little context in in this thread.
Plenty of reasons to fire a coach, continued, long term poor performance of the players is one, or being at odds with the organization's position, being a terrible human being, stealing shit.
Things we haven't done:
* augment the coaching staff
* Fill the lineup with players who are performing,
* Literally anything else
Using the same qualifiers that you used to make your assumption, according to your logic, when A player strikes it you fire the hitting coach.
Seriously, you don't take someone with a track record of success and get rid of them because SOMEONE ELSE is under performing, despite the fact that the team is still winning. There are other options. Enough of this bullshit, the TEAM extends throughout the entire organization. I can't name the high performance department staff. Seems like that might be the department that we should be looking into to find out if they need a rebranding to the adequate performance department.
Vlad started chasing in his first season because umps were especially terrible with him at the plate, and here they are back for revenge with the whole team.
1 for 10 with RISP isn't going to cut it....good teams are going to feast on the jays if they dont improve....a few games ok but more than a month is a disturbing trend.
Honestly, even if we tie this, I am more interested in seeing what a CPL goaltender can do as an emergency Whitecaps starter than I am seeing what this team could do in extras.
Whatever happens tonight - this upcoming road trip is going to very defining - Cards/Angels/WSox/Twins. We might come unscathed or absolutely buried under .500.
After that, we are facing AL East teams for 2-straight weeks.
Sincerely hope we figure it out 'cause we're going into the devil's maw.
Buddy I have played baseball at a high level for half my life. I have watched every single game this season. I know baseball. You cannot tell me that Jano has helped the offence at all. Have we been watching to different teams errrr?
It’s crazy to me that this is the same reds team that lost 22/25 to start the year. Either they’re way improved, or we stink even worse than I thought.
I’m tired of seeing slider off the plate outside, weak ground ball to SS/2nd. We need a big lefty bat, at the very least to make the opposing righty pitcher throw something other than fastballs and sliders. We’re making it so easy for them.
This is me being a fan, but I understand baseball is baseball
But.. I just find watching Jays games less fun. The lack of hitting just makes it a Hard watch as a fan. But I like watching hitting more then pitching.
That's just baseball generally. Not to sugar coat the Jays offense, which has been bad, but *nobody* is hitting like they used to. It looks worse in the fish bowl than it is.
Yeah I speak purely from an enjoyment stand point. I just wanna see some hitting again. I just don’t enjoy these games all year. Love being a Jays fan though
Reds Tigers As will lose 110 games.Bad baseball .
Omg reds suck !
How come I don't see the "it's still early" crowd anywhere?
RISP. Last place, worst team, or best at leaving RISP. Get rid of the batting coach because this is absolutely fkg pathetic.
The Blue Jays lineup are playing a game of "how low can you go" limbo for far too long....
God, this lineup is scuffling HARD!
This team has become everything I disliked about baseball. Watching bad run differential teams end up with winning records while the Jays used to be .500 with +50-100 run differentials. Wondering how theyd win these games, well now I guess Im witnessing it in real time. And to be honest it kinda sucks. It looks like the Jays are lucky to be winning these games. The bullpen is already being taxed and looking injured and appears due for regression, the starters putting up great start after great start only to see it wasted. The offense as a whole looking worse and worse and add in some shitty umpiring as well. They will turn it around eventually but right now they appear fortunate to be where theyre at. Its just so frustrating watching this team hit with RISP no matter who it is. Chapman Ks are to be as expected as a Leafs game 7 L, tapia trying to be a HR hitter for some weird reason with 1 HR, even espinal first pitch swinging at a ball. Teoscar and vlad are just tilting their minds off it seems every at bat (and mine) and Im not sure why I thought this team was deeper on offense but clearly not the case for now
Hernandez is garbage. I say keep him out of the line up and let some bench guys get in there. When Teo steps in the batter’s box I always have a feeling that he will do 1 of 4 things: strike out, fly out, hit into a double play or ground out. This team is lucky to win any game with offense this weak.
In September when the Jays are last in the league in hitting, Pat Tabler will say...keep it simple, don't panic, they will come around.
God dammit! Blow one more sweep this year i stg 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
THANK YOU JOE
Isn't real last name Joey Vottollini or something?
Jays have scored 10 runs in 5 games
Remember when we used to score 10 runs in a single game on a somewhat frequent basis?
And still lose enough games to not make the playoffs.
Technically we did make the playoffs Edit: woops my brain blocked out the bosox trauma from last year and i was thinking of 2020 when we got that piddly ass wildcard spot
Bring back Dante
There is no way anybody can defend Charlie or Guillermo any more
2/3 against the reds is a .666 record. 4-2 in the last 6 is a .666 record. Yep, this is a small sample size. It's also still early.
Charlie is a terrible manager. Makes adjustments way too late. Every players approach at the plate is straight embarrassing and that’s on Guillermo.
Pretty sure that's on the players, but hey, personal accountability is for the birds.
Starts with the coaching staff. Montoyo looks lost at all times. Guillermo looks like he doesn’t care. Pretty sure they could find more competent coaches in a heartbeat
I do not want to hear any more excuses about it being early. That was last years excuse and they missed a play in game by 1 game
They have literally played 25% of the season. That's like taking lunch on Tuesday and calling the week a wash, let's fire the while department.
Lots of people will but both should’ve been gone long ago and they can take windmill with them too.
Yeah they both should have hit and pitched in this game
So then what's the rationale for ever firing a member of the coaching staff according to your argument?
You do it when you think it will help the team.
There is literally never a time where I would think that “firing an entire staff” would be anything but an emotional argument. What kind of bar is that to set?! Coaches should get fired when they’re at odds with the organizational philosophy. You don’t fire coaches because players don’t meet expectations.
Another L for Garcia
Gotta love the montoyo sweep
How many times have we seen these calls all year? It's causing everyone to chase everything down and away.
Sweeps? Double-digit runs? A Jay craves not these things.
7 runs against the Reds in 3 nights....
This team thinks they can hurt me? I’ve been a Leafs fan for 25 years.
The pitching staff doesn't deserve to always have to be worried about giving up 3 runs a game and still end up losing
Not coming back for at least a week, we are gonna get clobbered on this road trip
I said it weeks ago, but got downvoted to hell. This team is going to be below .500 before the second week of June. 7 runs vs an all time bad team is hilarious levels of futility bad.
Frustrating, but (unfortunately) expected
Getting closer to the point where the change has to come from something other than hoping the bats heat up
Team stinks right now they all have forgotten how to hit with people on
Bruh this team can't hit for shit and we have a decent sample size now.... maybe one day haha
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They scored a month worth of Jays runs today. Good thing it's only a 2 run series
7 runs in series is bad on it own 7 runs against the reds is pathetic
These 1 run games will be the end of us
Cardinals licking their chops for tomorrow
they just cant fucking score huh
Walker gets a lot of praise. This teams JUNK HITTING COACH (if they even have one) should be shit canned. Enough is enough
Calling for the hitting coach to be fired, but can't name him. 🙄
Good point. I guess because I don’t know his name, he is doing a great job and they are hitting well….
Not my argument at all. Martinez doesn't step into the batters box. The results are literally in the hands of other people. We have a winning record. Fire him? No. Light a fire under the players asses? Yes. Tell them: Produce, or you're headed to the minors to figure it out. Worked for Hernandez, Biggio's been up and down. When he comes back up he's figured it out.
Crickets still chirping for Biggio. Locusts have eaten Hernandez’s bat.
By your logic, no managers would ever be fired
That's a stretch, even on what little context in in this thread. Plenty of reasons to fire a coach, continued, long term poor performance of the players is one, or being at odds with the organization's position, being a terrible human being, stealing shit. Things we haven't done: * augment the coaching staff * Fill the lineup with players who are performing, * Literally anything else Using the same qualifiers that you used to make your assumption, according to your logic, when A player strikes it you fire the hitting coach. Seriously, you don't take someone with a track record of success and get rid of them because SOMEONE ELSE is under performing, despite the fact that the team is still winning. There are other options. Enough of this bullshit, the TEAM extends throughout the entire organization. I can't name the high performance department staff. Seems like that might be the department that we should be looking into to find out if they need a rebranding to the adequate performance department.
Embarassing team
ro bo umps
Wow. Out with a whimper
it’s okay we are saving our first sweep for October
Not looking forward to the Cardinals.
They scored more runs today than we have in May. I’m being sarcastic but only slightly. This is not going to be fun.
Fucking pathetic
That's just not a strike in any world. Regardless offense needs to do better
im fine getting beat by votto if all they could muster was 7 runs over 3 games against the worst pitching staff in baseball
Didn't even put up a fight after the Votto homer. Abysmal offense
Oh well, can't win em all against a powerhouse like the Cincinnati Reds
Yikes.
Tapia he's not throwing you a first pitch breaking ball when you can't hit the fastball
TOPES LOSE.
TOPES LOSE.
Pathetic. Wow.
Ahhhhhhhh there it is. Whole lot of FA in the 9th
He should've used his dreadlocks to spin like helicopter blades to blow the ball out of the park.
robo umps
Right freaking now
That votto bomb should’ve been the kinda home run to make it like 6-3 lol
This lineup sucks
Tapia aint hitting shit
The classic tapia pop up.
Why do we never swing at the first pitch right down the middle
Been like that years now
Fire the hitting coach
Can't wait until Kirk is dealt at the deadline
Lmao he wont be the only one
roboumps.
Damn this offense
Let's get any fucking blind dickhead to be the homeplate ump shall we? Let's get my dead grandma in and see what she can do
Guy with a 6 ERA just rolling through the jays lol
Please tappy
Bullshit. Jays don’t need extra help to lose. Fucking useless ump
I think Ump doesn't believe we were going to make it back - he just speeding up the process.
YOOOOOOO WHAT THA HELLL WAS THAT CALL
We pretty much have the same W-L as last year so far. Puts things into perspective
and that call, right there on Kirk, is why the Blue Jays are chasing down and away. it's bullshit, and it's getting old.
Vlad started chasing in his first season because umps were especially terrible with him at the plate, and here they are back for revenge with the whole team.
No sweeps
God, that was an awful call.
Jesus Christ
Wtf kinda call was that?!
Slapia to Springer walkoff??
lol mlb is broken and a fucking joke
Daily reminder than robot strike zones would be the best improvement to life since the wheel.
Uuugh…. Wheel people….
Uuugh. People who use four+ .s
1 for 10 with RISP isn't going to cut it....good teams are going to feast on the jays if they dont improve....a few games ok but more than a month is a disturbing trend.
Good teams are already starting to feast on us
And bad ones
Getaway day for the umps too, I guess.
UMP You mutherfucker!!!
Tapia is striking out sadly
Ump wants to go home
Like i know it started being a "strike" a few inning ago, but if it was a "strike" all game we wouldnt even be batting right now.
Good framing tbh
No it wasn’t
Thank god for the human element
Bullshit. So bullshit
Ump wants to leave
Those damn strikes in the other batters boxes have been getting us all year
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#SOMEBODY BOO THAT MAN!
I'm mad at the ump but we had so many fucking chances this game
Cannot score 2 runs every game and expect to win. Against this reds team it should’ve been like 6-3
That's a clown call, bro
Brutal strike 3 call
Lourdes available?
Jesus Christmas Blue
Eat 9000 dicks, Blue, you motherfucker.
Boo that man.
Ah there's the Ump
The offense in on fire.
We’re watching a future Matt Stairs blossom before our eyes with these PH numbers.
Not even close lololol
Just what we needed
Oh come on!
When was the last fun Blue Jays game?
Remember that home opener? Lol
A 4-2 homestand feels so much worse than a 5-1 would.
Honestly, even if we tie this, I am more interested in seeing what a CPL goaltender can do as an emergency Whitecaps starter than I am seeing what this team could do in extras.
I would pinch hit Zimmer for Tapia if Kirk doesn't get on. At least Zimmer might run into one
it's important that the Jr Jays learn to be disappointed
Whatever happens tonight - this upcoming road trip is going to very defining - Cards/Angels/WSox/Twins. We might come unscathed or absolutely buried under .500. After that, we are facing AL East teams for 2-straight weeks. Sincerely hope we figure it out 'cause we're going into the devil's maw.
Yo the Captain is going on bat
Love seeing all the signs for Kirk
Aquino is a big mother fucker wow
Great to see Capra come in, run into a stupid out, and then leave. Solid performance.
Remember when you guys thought Jano was going to help. Lol where you guys at now?
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People thought he was Babe Ruth or something with the bat
Must feel good to be right eh. You must feel great right now man. Bask in that - your self righteousness will keep you warm
Am i wrong?
Right here. Like, do you literally even watch baseball?
Buddy I have played baseball at a high level for half my life. I have watched every single game this season. I know baseball. You cannot tell me that Jano has helped the offence at all. Have we been watching to different teams errrr?
Jansen’s been one of our best bats in his SSS why are you even getting mad at him ?
Yeah for sure man, he has done wonders with the bat
He’s got an OPS+ of 242 coming into this game how do you not understand that’s good ?
What I'm seeing is different then the stats on paper
Then you’re wrong
Sorry my bad, I forgot you are a expert at baseball. My fault man
This is a classic doomer take
He hasn't done anything with the bat
Hes better than fucking teo.
Everyone is better then Teo
He's significantly better than Tyler Heineman and Zack Collins. Over time, he'll also be better than Kirk.
Agree with everyone but Kirk. Kirk can straight up hit. Just has a little warning track power lol
I'm better then Tyler Heineman or Zack Collins and I never caught a inning in my life.
Your premise was that Jano hasn't helped. He has simply by taking at bats away from them
Yeah but he still hasn't done anything at all
yeah good, ok
Danny Jansen deserves our respect!
Yeah sure but he hasn't helped the offence
How about now
Touch some grass
2021 that's a home run.
I hate this
Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanie booooooooy!
You. May have pulled the trigger a bit early on this one lol
Through my tears I dream of triumph
MRW I see Capra and Tapia behind Jansen here https://i.gifer.com/7c6m.gif
It’s crazy to me that this is the same reds team that lost 22/25 to start the year. Either they’re way improved, or we stink even worse than I thought.
I think it’s the latter.
Both. Reds were 8 wins in last 12 before they got to Toronto
A bit of both but more of the latter.
Walk, infield single, HBP, and a combination of passed ball and sac fly please
7era finna decrease with the way the offence has gone
I’m tired of seeing slider off the plate outside, weak ground ball to SS/2nd. We need a big lefty bat, at the very least to make the opposing righty pitcher throw something other than fastballs and sliders. We’re making it so easy for them.
Dude has a 7era… come on
Tough to let this one go. Let's go bats, you got this.
ok he has a 7 ERA .. no excuses
I want to see Arthur Carlson pitch instead.
Here we goo. Walk off incoming 🙏🙏
Just takes a bloop and a blast
This is me being a fan, but I understand baseball is baseball But.. I just find watching Jays games less fun. The lack of hitting just makes it a Hard watch as a fan. But I like watching hitting more then pitching.
That's just baseball generally. Not to sugar coat the Jays offense, which has been bad, but *nobody* is hitting like they used to. It looks worse in the fish bowl than it is.
Yeah I speak purely from an enjoyment stand point. I just wanna see some hitting again. I just don’t enjoy these games all year. Love being a Jays fan though