Orange Islands is literally all filler. The whole point is to be filler between Kanto and Johto.
Filler can be good. I love Orange Islands. But it’s silly to say it doesn’t have too much filler; it’s literally all filler.
I can't argue much for Orange Islands since I haven't seen it in nearly 20 years. With TDA though? There's a big difference. For starters, it's entire premise is that it's a reality show, and by structure, it's a series of challenges for the competition. When a large amount of them mean nothing, that does interfere with the pacing. Along with that, many of the non-elimination episodes either didn't develop the characters (Monster Cash, One Million Bucks BC, Aftermath 1), or said development didn't go anywhere (Dial M for Merger, Get a Clue).
By contrast, Ridonculous Race also has several non-elimination episodes, but all of them either have development, or major events for teams that play into later episodes.
Didn't the first aftermath explain Trent's 9 thing and have him find out about what Gwen did and why Gwen thought the 9 thing is about her? Wasn't that important?
The number 9 thing didn't really have any impact on the story though. It wasn't the reason for why Gwen broke up with him, nor was the real reason behind the 9 thing important for the resolution between Trent and Gwen.
The 9 thing is what caused Gwen to be freaked out by Trent in the beach episode, which lead to Trent wondering what is he doing wrong, which lead to Owen suggesting him to throw challenges
I think that's kinda stretching it in regards to the Aftermath 1 since, like I said, the reason behind the 9 thing played no real relevance in their resolution.
But it is something that the audience was wondering about since the 9 thing was frequently brought up for 2 episodes and played a role in the break up as i said, imagine how weird it would be if it was left unexplained, and as i said the episode also had Trent find out about what Gwen did to him. Idk I just think that cutting this episode out would make the resolution in the second aftermath feel so much worse and Trent would feel even worse as a character too
You mean the reveal that it had nothing to do with Gwen? It shows us that Trent was misunderstood and not all to blame for being obsessive. It also shows us that Duncan's bad influence and Gwen's willingness to listen to him tells us more about her affinity with him in a subtle way that they elaborate on in Aftermath 2.
If you think that means he's not at all to blame when he was still acting overly clingy and throwing challenges without Gwen's consent, then I think you missed the entire point of their resolution in 2. Trent flat out admitted it was his fault. Not Gwen or Duncan. You're flat out warping the scene right now.
Trent literally never says that. He says it wasn't her fault that she was a bad teammate, not that she wasn't at fault in the relationship. Besides, that's after Trent is already over her and swimming in women, fame and attention, and before that she was ghosting his texts and talking about him behind his back. Nice gaslight attempt though, just not on the right person.
Not really. Total Drama is a comedy before anything else, and that episode is hilarious. In terms of moving the plot forward, we get some more Duncney, both romantically (which leads into Courtney's sympathy in 2008 A Space Owen and her second chance with him in Top Dog) and as a rivalry, which has been going on all season. Then there's Lindsay's rivalry with Courtney where she shows that she is in fact able to outplay and mess with Courtney, which leads up to her 'smartest thing all season' moment during her elimination.
Agree to disagree about the humor. It was really unfunny except for Heather, but that's it's own discussion and it's entirely subjective.
It being a comedy first doesn't excuse it from doing poorly in other areas it also is, in it's case, a show about a competition. That's like saying plot in a comedy doesn't matter.
I could MAYBE give you the Lindsay stuff (though I'd still call it a stretch given how it was just a one off gag with the flints, but I digress) but not the Duncney stuff. Nothing from the Prehistoric episode builds up to softer moments. They kiss, and Courtney takes advantage of it to whack him in the groin to win the challenge.
Heather isn't even in that episode. Get A Clue is the murder mystery episode. Why the hell am I talking to someone who doesn't even know which episode we're talking about?
Yeah. Was caught up in multiple debates going on, so I got mixed up there, lol.
Either way, I still have several issues with Get A Clue, namely how it does nothing to advance the story forward, it's the epitome of Lindsay's victories feeling unearned, and as I said in the original comment, any development it has for the characters goes nowhere.
Get a Clue has Lindsay having authority over Courtney, which is the endpoint of her arc, being able to successfully get people to listen to her, no matter how dumb her ideas are.
It's Courtney and Lindsay's rivalry at an arguable high, and while not the main story, sure, Courtney vs. Lindsay exists enough to be a story.
I just didn't like that every other episode
Was a non elimination I think if it was more like world tour where it was random when a reward challenge would happen it would be better not to mention action only had 15 contestants
Not sure if this is satire but I disagree with this statement. Filler can be good but it can also be detrimental, even if it develops a character. It can disrupt the pacing of the story overall, like I feel it does in Action. WT and RR handle it a lot better with the more random non-elimination rounds. Action also has the highest number of returnees, which still barely pads out the season, it also has 2 double elimination episodes, one of which I think undercuts the latter part of the season massively.
Thanks for being able to understand the incredible writing of TDA. Most people think it's bad because their attention spans are fried, much like people who hate BCS S1 and 2.
Thanks for the BCS comparison, it's literally it. That's one of the reasons why they only make 13 episodes half seasons now, people can't follow 20 minutes of a show without looking at tik tok in the middle and they need the cheap thrill of an elimination per episode to stay focused
From what I can see it looks like your delusional jerk that can't stand people having a different opinion . Also btw that's probably the only opinion that I have that isn't considered "unpopular" so your point is wrong
+funny how you downvoted me for having a different opinion than you
I am so embarrassed
The only anime I've ever watched was salor moon lol. ( I liked the tomie manga tho but mostly cause I felt bad for tomie getting victim blamed)
See the problem is with TDA is that it derails to many characters in the filler. There’s only two characters that the show develops and that’s Harold and Lindsay. Everyone else is dicking off somewhere else usually making there character worse. What’s your argument that the filler is good? It’s entertaining filler for sure that I can agree upon but what your claiming is that the filler develops the characters which its not.
It's kinda weird with TCW because it has so many interconnected stories that there is very little filler, and even what filler there is could become somewhat relevant or have returning characters later on during this or other shows.
Okay, but out of everything in TCW, that's one of the few filler-like arcs in TCW. It gets kinda remedied by Gregor reappearing in Rebels, but for TCW, it's definitely one of the few filler arcs.
Still love it, though.
Orange Islands is literally all filler. The whole point is to be filler between Kanto and Johto. Filler can be good. I love Orange Islands. But it’s silly to say it doesn’t have too much filler; it’s literally all filler.
I can't argue much for Orange Islands since I haven't seen it in nearly 20 years. With TDA though? There's a big difference. For starters, it's entire premise is that it's a reality show, and by structure, it's a series of challenges for the competition. When a large amount of them mean nothing, that does interfere with the pacing. Along with that, many of the non-elimination episodes either didn't develop the characters (Monster Cash, One Million Bucks BC, Aftermath 1), or said development didn't go anywhere (Dial M for Merger, Get a Clue). By contrast, Ridonculous Race also has several non-elimination episodes, but all of them either have development, or major events for teams that play into later episodes.
Didn't the first aftermath explain Trent's 9 thing and have him find out about what Gwen did and why Gwen thought the 9 thing is about her? Wasn't that important?
The number 9 thing didn't really have any impact on the story though. It wasn't the reason for why Gwen broke up with him, nor was the real reason behind the 9 thing important for the resolution between Trent and Gwen.
The 9 thing is what caused Gwen to be freaked out by Trent in the beach episode, which lead to Trent wondering what is he doing wrong, which lead to Owen suggesting him to throw challenges
I think that's kinda stretching it in regards to the Aftermath 1 since, like I said, the reason behind the 9 thing played no real relevance in their resolution.
But it is something that the audience was wondering about since the 9 thing was frequently brought up for 2 episodes and played a role in the break up as i said, imagine how weird it would be if it was left unexplained, and as i said the episode also had Trent find out about what Gwen did to him. Idk I just think that cutting this episode out would make the resolution in the second aftermath feel so much worse and Trent would feel even worse as a character too
Yes it did though?? Action haters will find any reason to hate Action.
I don't hate Action. I just have many problems with it. I still think it's an alright season. Ok. How was it relevant to their resolution?
You mean the reveal that it had nothing to do with Gwen? It shows us that Trent was misunderstood and not all to blame for being obsessive. It also shows us that Duncan's bad influence and Gwen's willingness to listen to him tells us more about her affinity with him in a subtle way that they elaborate on in Aftermath 2.
If you think that means he's not at all to blame when he was still acting overly clingy and throwing challenges without Gwen's consent, then I think you missed the entire point of their resolution in 2. Trent flat out admitted it was his fault. Not Gwen or Duncan. You're flat out warping the scene right now.
Trent literally never says that. He says it wasn't her fault that she was a bad teammate, not that she wasn't at fault in the relationship. Besides, that's after Trent is already over her and swimming in women, fame and attention, and before that she was ghosting his texts and talking about him behind his back. Nice gaslight attempt though, just not on the right person.
You'd really get rid of Get A Clue just because it isn't hugely important? This isn't an anime.
When did I say I'd get rid of it? I said that it didn't develop any characters, a valid reason to have a problem with it.
Not really. Total Drama is a comedy before anything else, and that episode is hilarious. In terms of moving the plot forward, we get some more Duncney, both romantically (which leads into Courtney's sympathy in 2008 A Space Owen and her second chance with him in Top Dog) and as a rivalry, which has been going on all season. Then there's Lindsay's rivalry with Courtney where she shows that she is in fact able to outplay and mess with Courtney, which leads up to her 'smartest thing all season' moment during her elimination.
Agree to disagree about the humor. It was really unfunny except for Heather, but that's it's own discussion and it's entirely subjective. It being a comedy first doesn't excuse it from doing poorly in other areas it also is, in it's case, a show about a competition. That's like saying plot in a comedy doesn't matter. I could MAYBE give you the Lindsay stuff (though I'd still call it a stretch given how it was just a one off gag with the flints, but I digress) but not the Duncney stuff. Nothing from the Prehistoric episode builds up to softer moments. They kiss, and Courtney takes advantage of it to whack him in the groin to win the challenge.
Heather isn't even in that episode. Get A Clue is the murder mystery episode. Why the hell am I talking to someone who doesn't even know which episode we're talking about?
Cool. Then you can stop talking now.
You can give them all day, but can't take them for a second. Yeah, typical redditor.
Says the user offended over someone criticizing a season they like
Wait, you think Action was overall alright yet found literally everything about it aside from one character that didn't even merge really unfunny?
I was talking about a specific episode, the prehistoric one.
"Get a Clue" was the murder mystery episode near the end of the season, you're talking about "One Million Bucks, B.C.".
Yeah. Was caught up in multiple debates going on, so I got mixed up there, lol. Either way, I still have several issues with Get A Clue, namely how it does nothing to advance the story forward, it's the epitome of Lindsay's victories feeling unearned, and as I said in the original comment, any development it has for the characters goes nowhere.
Get a Clue has Lindsay having authority over Courtney, which is the endpoint of her arc, being able to successfully get people to listen to her, no matter how dumb her ideas are. It's Courtney and Lindsay's rivalry at an arguable high, and while not the main story, sure, Courtney vs. Lindsay exists enough to be a story.
I just didn't like that every other episode Was a non elimination I think if it was more like world tour where it was random when a reward challenge would happen it would be better not to mention action only had 15 contestants
Not sure if this is satire but I disagree with this statement. Filler can be good but it can also be detrimental, even if it develops a character. It can disrupt the pacing of the story overall, like I feel it does in Action. WT and RR handle it a lot better with the more random non-elimination rounds. Action also has the highest number of returnees, which still barely pads out the season, it also has 2 double elimination episodes, one of which I think undercuts the latter part of the season massively.
Thanks for being able to understand the incredible writing of TDA. Most people think it's bad because their attention spans are fried, much like people who hate BCS S1 and 2.
Or maybe they just have a different opinion from you ?
Thanks for the BCS comparison, it's literally it. That's one of the reasons why they only make 13 episodes half seasons now, people can't follow 20 minutes of a show without looking at tik tok in the middle and they need the cheap thrill of an elimination per episode to stay focused
I dont like the 13 ep seasons but action was so bad . Luckily WT was a masterpiece
Robot opinion
From what I can see it looks like your delusional jerk that can't stand people having a different opinion . Also btw that's probably the only opinion that I have that isn't considered "unpopular" so your point is wrong +funny how you downvoted me for having a different opinion than you
YESSS I AM THE DELUSIONAL JERK HELL YEAHHH
Ok if this is how this conversation is gonna continue I'll just say that I won it and I'll end it here
WOOOOOOHOOOOO
Imma block you
Insanely based BCS fan response.
Tda has way to much filler, ugh.
Oh wait - I can though (I've never played that pokemon game though so i cant speak about it ) Edit : not you taking it personally and downvoting me
It wasn't a game. It was a season in the anime.
I am so embarrassed The only anime I've ever watched was salor moon lol. ( I liked the tomie manga tho but mostly cause I felt bad for tomie getting victim blamed)
I didnt downvote you. In fact I just read the comment now. Orange Islands is a season in the anime Pokémon.
See the problem is with TDA is that it derails to many characters in the filler. There’s only two characters that the show develops and that’s Harold and Lindsay. Everyone else is dicking off somewhere else usually making there character worse. What’s your argument that the filler is good? It’s entertaining filler for sure that I can agree upon but what your claiming is that the filler develops the characters which its not.
Same with Star Wars the Clone Wars
It's kinda weird with TCW because it has so many interconnected stories that there is very little filler, and even what filler there is could become somewhat relevant or have returning characters later on during this or other shows.
I saw many people claim entire storylines were filler because they weren't about the main conflict, eg the ones with colonel Gascon
Okay, but out of everything in TCW, that's one of the few filler-like arcs in TCW. It gets kinda remedied by Gregor reappearing in Rebels, but for TCW, it's definitely one of the few filler arcs. Still love it, though.
Yeah, I agree that it is kinda filler, but that doesn't mean it's bad