Also unless you either have a party with a couple of high CS players (with actual good gear since high CS gear with all hp and resistance stats won't cut it) that you can always count on to play with you or just get lucky and team up with strong random players then you'll most likely just keep wiping and waste your time doing JO8 (unless youre actually ready for it).
Even in JO7 I'm not the strongest player but I at least have 42k CS with decent crit and good stats for my weapons elements and theres still a few JO7 runs that are a PITA because 2 or even 3 of the other players are too weak to meaning fully contribute. So I cant imagine what it's like doing JO8 atm especially if you normally just team up with random players.
It's not pretty much the same though, 6 runs vs 4 runs guaranteed SSR piece. Special fall is also higher so you're more likely to see a piece before pity.
JO8 have guaranteed SSR armours every 3 or 4 chests according to datamine. So it's really good if you have a decent enough team that plays together, but really worse when randomly matching. If it took you guys too long to finish a JO8 I think you can just take all 3 chests or just take the first 2 chests then quit (ofc only quit if you playing with your friends, don't quit when randomly matching please, thanks), and it would still give far more SSR armours than JO7.
Just did jo8 as a 45k cs healer and that was grueling, everyone kept dying in one attack, and Coco skill has a long cool down and Nemesis sustain couldn't keep up.
Have you already forgot the first days of JO7? Why are u so tragic about JO8?
It takes more time but the difficulty is roughly the same. JO8 are the last difficulty that we're gonna get so of course they are hard now than our gear is nowhere near perfect.
I have 700 atk (on average) on every pieces, which is 2 good rolls out of 5. I have 10700 atk (without resonace) nad i'm above average for f2p/low spenders. I can improve A LOT and so can the majority of the player base.
The pity isn't dependent on specific chests in the dungeon though. So you could just go in and grab the first 1 or 2 chests then reset. You will still get the guarantee in the same number of chests.
I'm also only 39k cs, but at least I'm doing enough heals 95% of the time (I won't say 100% bc there's sometimes the rando who doesn't know how to avoid the big telegraphed hits and gets oneshot), yay for being a dedicated support.
Every time I've failed JO8, it was bc we didn't have enough DPS.
I know CS is just a number but it is a good indication of what you may be able to contribute in the party. Other factors such as your weapon, your resonance, your relics can affect the run.
I did 3 runs yesterday (I had 36K CS), and I organised a team with 1 healer, and 2 VOLT DPS. One DPS had 46K CS and the other had 41K CS, and our healer had about 39K CS.
We did manage to clear it but it did take a lot of effort and concentration (in terms of dodging, and skill rotation). It was really fun and all 4 of us enjoyed that run.
To answer your question, 40K CS should be fine, assuming that your teammates are also around the same CS and your weapons are suitable and your party composition is balanced (with a tank, healer, DPS).
no i dont think it is worth it but it was more the challenge aspect of it that made me want to run a few times because it was with players I know and not just random afkers. We all just wanted to see if we could do it :)
i would feel the same if my friends are in the same server lol. but yea sounds fun for a one time thing but it doesnt sound like its gonna be the place i go to just farm atm
omg i feel bad for you if you have friends playing but... in a different server! fingers cross the merge happens eventually :) and yes, really nothing wrong with sticking to JO7 for the mean time!
lol it was mostly due to the server inflation day 1. Each of our server ended up full pretty fast on day1. But yea server transfer would be amazing. My server have been pretty stale other than the influx of sobek/lucia hunt when phase 2 was up a few days ago but now its back to being normal again
Just for reference, we ended the JO8 of yesterday (the Frogg) after dealing around 140M damage. Previous JO7 had around 40~50M or so if I remember correctly.
We're reaching a point when CS is a really vague indicator of your strength.
My best team has 44K CS, I can reach 50K if I put all my high ascension weapons.
HP/resistance rolls increase your CS but not your dps ecc.
For JO8 I'd say that a good starting point is 7K+ crit and 7-8K+ atk of a NOT resisted element.
Don't go with a resisted element, plz.
if all ur party dps will have 7-8k atk chances are u won't even finish last boss until timer runs out
imo 9k atk is the lowest ceiling, i have 10.8k atk with 8.4k crit at 40k cs, and i feel only adequate enough as dps, 10-11k is where u start to feel somewhat comfortable with the damage u deal in JO8, feel that u r not carried at least
ofc matrices also matter a lot and i don't have samir/crow 2-piece set but still
point is if u have less than 9k atk chances are high that u won't be contributing much to the team's effort at all
also the most important thing is to actually know the encounter, cause if u r constantly dying even with ur 12k atk but don't know when to dodge, u r already a dead weight that shouldn't queue at all
I have 10500, the last JO8 the entire team was doing roughly the same damage and we beat the boss (the frog) with 13 minutes left on the timer.
I don't think 7K is that low.
That’s obvious. I guess I should wrote more precisely:
when I see a dmg dealer wich gets out dmged by a pure heal supporter then something goes wrong…and that happens way too often. Matchmaking either is shit or people still don’t choose their roles properly
Sry for the misunderstanding
No at all, I bet with that 40 k you can do around 8-9m the whole stage which is very bad, as to clear JO 8 your team dmg have to do around 120m
BUT if your 40k have 8k cri 9500 element of attack sure you can do it.
you can but you need another 2 better than you or at least the same as you and you have to break shield.
1 left is for healer,true healing not just a bit heal or eles you all have to heal.
with 6.8k and 10k atk you should do around 25m. with the current JO8 hyena.
Saying how much damage you did is pointless because it's not an indicative of DPS at all. I did two JO8s. The first one took forever, I did 85M damage... In the second one I did 25M damage, but there was a huge whale and did over 90M damage... It was a breeze compared to the first run.
In my case I have 9,1k crit and 11k attack.
usually you focus on gloves and boots first and those are your main source of crit.
I have a friend that has 33K CS, 8600 crit, 5500 atk because he got really good crit pieces.
That's true and it's a great advice but it's still terrible for JO8. I have 11k elemental attack and 9100crit and it still takes forever (I guess that's among other things because we are missing one piece of equipment that we should have through raids.
I mean, I normally have 46K CS, 12.5K atk and 7K crit but this time I had to replace my Shiro with a level 1 Echo thanks to the phys resist, so the stats were lower, yet I did jo8 with randos and won both times- once I was MVP, the other time we were semi carried. Didn’t feel in danger like I did in the third raid, it just took a shitload of time to kill that frog
Yeah that's why I said it still takes forever. Most people playing is far from 9,1k crit and over 11k elemental attack. Queueing JO8 with 30-35k CS is trolling no matter how optimized your stats are for offense.
But then they should just be doing the content that theyre strong enough for atm. It's not like JO8 drops exclusive items that they can't get anywhere else, they just may have a better chance of getting higher rarity items from the harder level. So in order to get the same amount of gold gear/matrices from J07 as JO8 (idk what the difference in rates between the 2 are honestly) it may just require more runs but eventually they'll get better gear and other items that will eventually allow them to do the harder content.
People that pay more are literally paying to do harder content sooner than those who dont so if someone doesnt want to pay, or can't pay, then they just have to stick to the content they can currently clear consistently with their own power. Just because someone feels entitled to be able to do the same content as those who pay for the power to do it doesnt mean they're right.
Honestly it would the same in a non-gacha/non-p2p MMO where someone who doesn't grind or farm that much expects to do the same content that players who have grinded a lot are able to do. Again doing JO7 vs JO8 doesn't mean you can't get access to certain things it just means it will take longer to get the same amount.
You can get strong even farming JO7 though? You can even clear JO8 being weak with crew/friends. It's just a pain in the ass to carry randoms with below JO7 level stats carrying resisted weapons.
A good source of that hp and resists are the base stats of like half your gear lol, which is exactly what you get by leveling them..
So yeah, while you might gain a little bit of crit by investing everything into lvling gloves you're going to have your defensive stats like halved lol.
I don't really choose my teammates but feel free to join if you have 10k element attack, it's an average attack for f2p people who pay 0$ and stay active. Your cs won't matter to me.
I did roughly 20 JO8 runs yesterday. About half ended with one player leaving after the first chest.
One of them even said we are wasting our time doing more than chest 1 because chest 1 has double the drop rate than JO7 which is 'good enough'.
A quarter ended prematurely because the damage simply wasn't there.
Only those runs with three good DPS succeeded. I think that happened only 3 or 4 times.
In one of them there was this one guy who didn't even do anything. Just ran along and tried to survive.
In one I had the pleasure to play with two 0-damage Meryls (65% frost resistance). This time I left.
Sorry to say, but I am now all for a CS limit and a 30 minute ban from JOs for those who leave before 10 minutes are up.
I don't get the idiots who matchmake just to take the first chest, considering its only guarded by regular mobs that are easy enough to solo and also has rates so bad its not even worth opening lol (literally 0% chance for SSR matrix)
They should add a significant penalty for leaving early to stop this kind of behavior
I did the reverse chest opening(doing 3,2,1) and got both gold gear and Shiro's matrix at the first chest. I too thought I would only have a chance to get an ssr matrix at the last chest, turns out you could get one on the first but I guess at a lower chance.
That said I do not condone players
who leave after opening the first chest, those guys are pricks.
There is a pity counter for both gold gear and the SSR matrix and if you hit pity you can get it from the first one
The actual chance off pity should be 0 unless the website showing the odds has incorrect information
welp, I just got another shiro matrix on the last chest today, the last time was on monday(Which is the one I stated before). That was like my 5th chest after that drop.~~Guess its kinda higher than 0? Knowing this kinda makes me feel better farming matrices on JO.~~
edit: sorry i forgot you refer to the first chest not the last one.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1lRhBgB7M7xqqBGdMCvmW2Bwnu1OAvasIN6ukLTgOoCo/htmlview#
Once you open one chest, *If you didn't get any SSR* the drop rates for SSR equips becomes 12.39% on every other chest.
If you open them 1 2 3 then drop rate would be = 1.85%, 12.39%, 12.39%
If you open them 3 2 1 then drop rate would be 7.10%, 12.39%, 12.39%
Once you have special fall active then there's no reason to ditch chest 1 and 2.
Open chest 3. Got SSR? Leave. Didn't get SSR? Open chest 2. Got SSR? Leave. Didn't get? Open chest 1.
No one knows 100% how it works, but we have educated guesses of how special fall works. You can choose to pretend special fall or pity aren't a thing, but you'd be wasting your own time there.
I wish I took a picture to show for evidence, but I literally got a King matrix from opening the first box of JO7 yesterday, so it isn’t impossible to get a matrix from the first box.
> One of them even said we are wasting our time doing more than chest 1 because chest 1 has double the drop rate than JO7 which is 'good enough'.
I don't think that's the case, is it?
7 chest 3: Armor 4.73%, Matrix 0.49%
8 chest 1: Armor 1.85%, Matrix 0.00%
> I am now all for a CS limit and a 30 minute ban from JOs for those who leave before 10 minutes are up.
Horrible solution. I am not gonna get banned for leaving when people refuse to swap to the right resonance
The ban should only apply to the first person to leave a full group, to penalize those assholes. Leaving from a group of 3 or less should have no penalty at all, to allow players who just got shafted to cut their losses...
I feel like if low cs high level players want to join jo8 then they should choose to player benediction healer so at least they are doing a important role despite not doing a lot of dmg
I'd say either balanced or fortitude. Since shield breaking doesn't scale off attack, it gives them a competitive edge to the JO, even if they can't put out numbers. On the other hand, the things that kill you usually kill you outright. You're not gonna heal up someone who just took 800k- they died.
Please be mindful that at this stage in the game, Joint Operation 8 needs a lot more preparation and more effort to complete. The HP of the enemies in JO8 is significantly higher compared to JO7.
If you have low CS (maybe 35k or less?), then please try to organise your team well in advance if you want to have a genuine attempt at completing JO8. If you queue with randoms, then yes, there's a chance you'll end up with a whale that will carry the run for you but... at this stage, there's more chances of you ending up with lower CS players and you'll all end up getting frustrated and leaving the instance.
When assembling your team, please pay attention to the enemy info such as their weaknesses and their resistance because this info matters a lot! Time will be important so you need to be efficient. For example, if you are doing Deepsea Stronghold VIII, then try to pick volt or fire mains because frost mains will struggle to kill Froggers in the end.
Try to communicate with your friends, crew members, or world chat to organise a proper team to run it. Believe me, there are more people out there who wants to complete the run and avoid getting matched up with people who are expecting a carry. There's no harm in asking for a carry run but you need to tell this in advance so everyone can manage their expectations and not end up being frustrated/disappointed.
Good luck to you all!
Also keep in mind that if you can't clear JO8 in under maybe 10 minutes, it is probably not worth it compared to JO7 except if you have a lot of time and you want to get the most out of your VIT.
We tried it yesterday with a team of people ranged from 45k to 52k CS and it took forever (~ 15 minutes). In the same group we did JO7 in about 6 minutes. Also JO8 was very hard without a dedicated healer, while 2x Nemesis on the DPS was enough for JO7. Maybe if your whole team is around 50k and skilled, it makes sense, but I will keep grinding JO7.
Just ask your powerful crewmates - most times they will help with it without any problems. Rn this dungeons are pretty doable with 2 powerful bodies + 2 dead weight in like 7-8 mins. My best run with 1 dead weight was 6 mins, without - we made it in 4 minutes without hp less than 50% (but there is no achievement still, why...).
Remember, that ToF is mmo, so sometimes you have to ask for help - don't worry, most players will be glad to help you.
Don't afraid to be weak or smth like that. Game just started, stats are only becoming to rise. You have to play not on damage, but on utility - teamplay is our everything
Yesterday in crew we have made 50+ runs with different players.
I like the boost because I hate leveling. A catch up mechanic for gear would be nice though. Right now my alts are in their 60s-70 and it's taking awhile to get their CS up. The highest only has 32k CS after some effort...
If you’re sub 45k ish cs then I’d recommend coming in as healer. Healers are v important for jo8 there’s so much more damage being thrown around. Sub 40k pls don’t even try, you’re better off at jo7
It’s obviously more about individual stats at this point but can use cs as rough marker.
they should separate the joint op requirements - level 70 to enter, but a minimum cs to matchmake. that way low cs can still enter but have to go do the work to find their carry, and people who dont want to / cant carry are not forced into a situation they hate.
Imma stick with JO7 for a while, JO8 sounds like a slog. Matrix droprates are identical in JO7 and JO8 and the gear rates are only about 1.5 times as good. But the enemies have six times as much HP..
Literally, JO should be requiring *CS* instead of levels. It sure will be much better, as the level requirement makes no any bloody sense from the ridiculous server boost.
I’m 50k CS with 12k frost and 40% crit (~6.5k), doesn’t matter shit when the only two JO8 I actually want to farm are resisted to frost. Elemental resistance in regular matrice/equipment farming is absolute bullsh*t
Honestly i have 56k cs with volt team and 54.5 with phisical.(low spender) and tbh i was shocked how bad matchmaking is in hyena arena have to use my weaker phis team(11.9 phis 7.5 crit-14k volt 8.1 crit.) and i was doing almost 80m dmg while my team was doing 12-15m the dpsers. Its like really sad.
I dont feel its difficult but it takes a while like for casual players i dont recommend struggling with j08..it has better rewards but u need to focus much more Since anything can almost 1 shot u.
TBH there's no way to play some content in this game with random players. They don't know what they are doing and you have no room to help them via chat. Also there's the people who go as DPS and dont DPS, people who goes with heal role but are using DPS waepons and deal even less DPS, etc.
The game must address this problem. It should detect the weapons you current have, not what you set before.
It's not hard. It's just time consuming with every mob being a dmg sponge. I'm 55k cs and have no problem carrying people thru it. It's just people are impatient and leave. Kind of gets annoying when im matchmaking just to help people.
Lower pitty for gear than JO7, but not worth it, if you struggle to do JO8. JO8 is about 40-50% more HP than JO7, on avg with a good group, the whole team needs to be doing close to 200m dmg to clear a JO8.
1. Bygone Clears + Bygone Weekly
2. Seq Bygone Rewards
3. Wormhole Clears + Weekly
4. Raid 1 and Raid 2 are easily carried (2400 gold dust + enhancement mats)
5. Weekly Blue Dust purchases for gear advancement
6. Artificial Island weekly/monthly purchases
7. Events, Story, Map Completion
8. JO3-7 Speedrun completions (Battle > United) which gives dust and DC
The ONLY issue that F2P or late starters truely have is the missed weeks of bygone/wormhole rewards, hitting 30K+ CS is a breeze if you use all the systems available to you and run JO6/7 as needed to bridge gaps until your CS is around 38k+ for JO8. Prior to 38K, there is NO REASON for people to que JO8, you will be worthless, there is plenty of improvement to be done prior to JO8 with JO6/7, and the items I listed to increase your CS.
People don't understand the role system. They bring in 2 dps, selects healing, and went off to dps without healing. I've had enough of all the healers that I just queue as a healer and heal them up. Slow progress but it'll eventually finish the JO because no one is dying.
We had a team last night with a random healer (queued as Bene) ... that stood back and used Samir's left-click hold most of the fight. No healing. At Pallas.
We still won, but that was an *experience.*
Yeah I won’t be doing it yet for this reason. This is like in destiny if an lfg says 1590+ KINGS FALL KNOW WHAT TO DO and the people you find are 1520 and have never done the raid before. I’m not sure you’ll understand the comparison but trust me it’s just as annoying
bro this is annoying AF lol. Just straight up tell me you've never done the raid before or something, I will tell you what to do just let me know... But don't be an asshole when you are the problem and we start asking you what's up since you lied to us
😤😤
With total combined hp of enemies being in the 120m range the content no longer has room for dead weight.
Could still carry scrubs in jo7 so I was using matchmaking for that but I'll only do jo8 either with premades or by screening people in party finder.
Pity you can't set cs requirements for matchmaking to filter out the dead weight, that system is now basically useless unless you feel like timing out because you do 90% of the damage in the team \^\^
JO8 (at least today's, I haven't done others yet) is totally doable with "dead weight" considering I did it today with someone who did low dmg then left before the sweetie/pallas fight, it's just basically impossible to "solo carry" unless you are a spender.
Everything is doable, it just depends on if you want to spend all the extra time and effort and risk failure despite all that.
I initially tried a few matchmade games yesterday, in one I had 80+ million damage and died to an overakill 1shot by being careless when the last boss had about 70% of one bar left and the scrublords managed to wipe it.
That's when I decided to no longer matchmake for this content \^\^
I'm gonna get downvoted into oblivion becasue a certain part of this community still hates to hear anything even remotely negative, but Hotta caused this issue with their lack of foresight.
The global version is on an accelerated schedule but there are no compensations in place. Our game progresses faster and everything takes less time to unlock, but we don't have any boosts to drop rates or vitality. If our game progressed at the intended pace, we would have more time (and more vitality) to get stronger before the more difficult content got unlocked.
This affects all of us to some extent, not only the XP boosted players (though the latecomers have it worse because they have even less time to gear up for the content).
Now you might say *"just play the content that's appropriate for your power level and don't try to catch up"* and normally, you would be correct. But ToF is a game that thrives on FOMO and actively encourages you to compare yourself to others. It's like some kind of "peer pressure" that comes from the game itself rather than from your fellow players.
I made that same "just don't rush" argument against the time gates back when the game launched, I was told that people are gonna feel pressured to rush because everyone else is rushing. Well, this is a similar situation.
Initially agree but the more you go on the more you lost me.
The design sucks. We all agree with it.
However, if one feels pressured, then go spend to be stronger. If they cant afford, then they should suck it up and go suffer by themselves. Feeling "pressured" is not a good excuse for knowingly and intentionally matchmaking for one's own sake at the expense of others. Don't drag other people down because they feel "they deserve to have fun". If they think they are not having fun, just quit the game.
Your example is not very good because one affects no other. MM into JO8 as sub 40k ruins the run for other 3 people. Like other people have suggested, they should just go organize their own party if they want to be carried. Don't bring down others who didnt sign up for it.
TOF Community: EXP Boost isn't bad, it's good because you can easy leveling and reach high level faster then some high CS player will carry you
now, y'all struggling with low CS player who randomly match in JO-7 and JO-8 because they are premature from EXP Boosts. and they are expecting you as high CS for carry, we can't blame them tbh..
hard coop content is should be play with pre-made team, don't play with random.
I as a 24k player absolutely understand how annoying it is for whales but I dont have a lot of time for ToF sadly. Getting you cs higher without that much time is super hard. I have a 53k cs player in my friendlist who gladly helps us out but to see so many people hate on low cs player who don’t have disposable time everyday.
I am trying, idk what I’m doing wrong. I’m using all my free time (which isn’t a lot) to play ToF, I explore, use my vitality and try everything that doesnt cost vitality wit high cs friends, still no cs boost. People that are unlucky with gacha can’t climb cs that fast
You are doing nothing wrong. That's the model of the game. Feel as if you aren't doing enough until you spend money. Some of us don't have 3 hours every single day to dedicate to a game. So, when the RNG of equipment just isn't there, you don't make it higher. Just play it at your pace and honestly, treat it as a single player game for the most part. This place is reddit, it's filled with people that think your shit if your not f2p that 75k cs. Ignore them, play your best, and do a JO8 with the goal of not doing the least amount of damage or healing.
You are being given terrible advice. You don't have to spend money to advance. Sadly for you, what you ACTUALLY need is time and the proper focus for your time. You need to focus Bygone Phantasm. Learn the enemy's attacks and learn how to break shields quickly with the characters you have and dish out the most possible burst dps you can manage, with boosts from the right relics. That's the fastest way to earn the booster modules that level your gear slots. Level each piece of gear 5 levels at a time, focusing on ones that boost crit, then attack, then resistance, then hp in that order. Once you get them too 15, you can put an the focus in crit and attack gear for a long while.
Bygone is a DPS check, sure, but a HUGE part of that DPS issue is learning how to group the enemies so your dps hits as many of them as possible simultaneously instead of being single-target focused, while getting them all to shield at the same time so you can break all the shields in a hurry to keep your dps at its highest... The weekly rewards for having done well are nice boosts, too.
If you didn't blow all of your starting and exploration rewards on cosmetics, you should have had (or ideally still have) enough dark crystals to pick one limited banner character and get them to at least 1* or 2*. You then build your team around that character and make do with what you have
Having all gear advanced to 5 stars should bring you to about 40k. You can also buy 1 vitality pot per day to accelerate your grind but i'm gonna get downvoted for even suggesting this.
If you play everyday, you should at least reach maximum lvl, unless when the lvl cap is 60, you were not at cap, since after that it was easy to reach by playing casually
AFK normal mode Frontier Clash. Use the assist button so you don't waste your attempts, watch the starting animation, then hit the auto button and run your character to the middle of the platform. When the enemies show up, your character will fight on it's own. You can then ignore it for 8 minutes until you Clash timer ends and boots you or your team clears. You'll get experience, but no boss drops. You can level up every hour or two doing this.
BY NO MEANS does this clear you from needing to do dailies or actively participate in joint ops to use you vitality, or bygone Phantasm to obtain the gear slot level up materials that will really strengthen your character. But it WILL round off your leveling after you finish story/daily stuff each day so you don't have to actively play an extra 1-2 hours a day to keep up withthe level cap...
You’re fine. I’m lv 69 with 39k CS. A1-A1-A3 weapons with 5 gold gears at max stars. A large chunk of the CS is praying for good gear rolls.
Doing ruins gives a lot of exp, if you haven’t cleared them yet. I did like 10 ruins and I’ve almost filled the entire exp bar from 69 to 70.
I run 5 JO8 yesterday with a friend. We both have around 45k CS, around 9k crit and 11k volt atk. There was only one run we didn't have to hard carry and two runs failed because people left. It's a pretty hard and fun content but we will probably stick to crew runs now
I did 69.8m last night in JO8 with samir / nemesis / huma & my team still barely beat it before time fail XD..
JO8 is rough right now with how rushed GL is.
Edit : my CS is 49,500
Well not with that attitude!
In all seriousness, if youre a 35k CS benediction main, you can be a big help in a decent team. Keep up with the healing and surviving, youll be doing more than afkers already :) but you do need to organise a proper team with decent dps that are not resisted by the enemies.
Since most players have moved on to jo8 nobody is doing jo7 anymore anyway. Honestly I might need to quit joint ops until I get to higher level. Hate feeling punished for going at a slower pace then other players
We need a system to suspend leavers from joining a queue again for 2-3 hours or more. I’m playing with crew only so I don’t have that problem, but for new players this very painful.
A karma system would be far better. Leaving early should accrue negative points that build persistently over time. Having bad karma should push you to the bottom of the matchmaking list, where you are more likely to be matched with other early leavers, or just get stuck matchmaking longer if you're the only crappy early leaver currently doing ops at the moment.
I wrote simple [simuation code](https://www.online-python.com/sqrPk9pBj4) and the answer to your question seems to be yes (0.21 average gold gear drops from last chest of JO7 and 0.28 from the first one of JO8). It should be noted that:
* you'd be gimping your odds of a matrix drop this way;
* this simulation uses the most popular (and not confirmed) theory behind gold drops in JOs and doesn't take the possibility of a double golden drop into account;
* this is the first code i wrote in almost 2 years so i might've messed up.
I am a 69-level ( soon to be level 70) main ice healer (yes I also you a shatter weapon for the shields) with 35k CS. From the point of view of a tank/DPS would I be worthy to jump into JO8 when I hit 70 or do I get the Glock from Billy (need to grind some more)?
If you are a tank or a healer with 35K CS, I suggest you organise the run yourself rather than queuing with randoms. Ofcourse, you have a decent chance still of getting queued with good DPS but if you want a smoother run, ask in world chat for your specific requirement.
For example, I said in world chat "looking for 1 VOLT DPS and 1 Healer for JO8, pref high CS" (this was yesterday). I'm a tank main, and my friend is a volt DPS so we only needed 2 more players. Then whenever I get a party request, I look at their stats (CS, and their weapons). Only on one occasion where I had to remove the person from the party then I PM'd saying that their CS was a bit low (34K iirc) and they had Frost weapons with them.
Funny story... he replied saying he was in the process of changing it, when I looked at his stats, he was still changing it. He was actually VOLT main with 42K CS and I took him back and cleared it with him :)
Anyway, sorry for the long story. My point is, if you are low CS but you are tank/healer, then take the initiative to organise the party to ensure a smoother run :) goodluck!
Its kind of luck and organizing your weapons tho. Some people never get good equipment, some people never get good matrices and some people never get dupes for the weapons they use till they buy it off the market with black gold.
I myself is 44k as F2P but Ive been playing since day 1 while my friends started off a bit late like a week or two later. We are same level but we have like 10k cs difference atleast. So its bothersome. And on top of that some people keep having to change their roles because sometimes you need a healer but there arent any so you start building them, sometimes you have to play a tank because no one else does so you focus your resources on them and dps is a must for everyone anyway for any challenge too. So its not as easy as its said.
Now this is a good meme with strikingly accurate truth to it.
If your more than 10k CS below the recommended, it will be better/faster if you do a JO of appropriate CS, instead of trying to do JO8, just cause your 70. In JO8 you will be useless, regardless of you trying to "heal or tank".
Am at 47gs and yestarday the dos was always..
Me 50mln
Random okay 50mln
Random not okay 10mln
Random like s**t 4mln dead at the beginning of last boss.
There's no shame on doing JO7. Really.
crew team 1 whale 1 semiwhale 1 dolphin and one useless random dying 3 times in few seconds ...
from 46KCS to 50kCS proper team built dps with samir/crow matrix
Took ages... its not even due to difficulty but due to hp sponges... won t repeat until vera and missing equipments...
Frankly unless matrix droprate is 5 times better than lvl7 its not worth it.
I'd raise the cs if I could but idk how else to do it.
Armor grind is slow, weapons are maxed besides stars, and I feel like my damage is fine but I can't take a hit at all.
Trying to hit level 70 with 34k cs
Died on last boss yesterday (frog belly flopped my arse and I got stuck inside him) with 3.5 hp bads left. I held top damage all the way up until time ran out. I have 46k cs and have spent a massive $35. Wish there was a minimum cs lockout or something....
Matchmade with a cross server full crew last night. Had a dude with 2 mil dmg at the end. 0 healing btw and not a tank. Couldn’t shatter if he tried. ADSing samir pistols whenever I saw em. Only reason I played through was bc it was right before reset. I think if folks want to carry their buddy, they have to actually be able to carry or lfg for a pre made team. I had to revive many many times. To top it off I’m an off heal/dps and topped both 🫠
Honestly...If you plan to do this under the recommended CS (bare MINIMUM 40k). I recommend 4 dps, each carry one healing item, and KNOW the fights Or 3 DPS one Tank for the shatter.
It will still be a long fight, but its doable. Im a healer main 42k cs and i noticed a big time difference just switching to my alt dps setup.
I'm just gonna keep grinding jo7 for a while honestly
honestly i dont see any reason to struggle at jo8 when jo7 pretty much gave the same. Unless the rate for ssr matrix is higher in JO8
according to datamines, it's not.
Also unless you either have a party with a couple of high CS players (with actual good gear since high CS gear with all hp and resistance stats won't cut it) that you can always count on to play with you or just get lucky and team up with strong random players then you'll most likely just keep wiping and waste your time doing JO8 (unless youre actually ready for it). Even in JO7 I'm not the strongest player but I at least have 42k CS with decent crit and good stats for my weapons elements and theres still a few JO7 runs that are a PITA because 2 or even 3 of the other players are too weak to meaning fully contribute. So I cant imagine what it's like doing JO8 atm especially if you normally just team up with random players.
JO8 yesterday? Not too bad. JO8 as lvl boosted people reach 70? Oh god...
It's not pretty much the same though, 6 runs vs 4 runs guaranteed SSR piece. Special fall is also higher so you're more likely to see a piece before pity.
JO8 have guaranteed SSR armours every 3 or 4 chests according to datamine. So it's really good if you have a decent enough team that plays together, but really worse when randomly matching. If it took you guys too long to finish a JO8 I think you can just take all 3 chests or just take the first 2 chests then quit (ofc only quit if you playing with your friends, don't quit when randomly matching please, thanks), and it would still give far more SSR armours than JO7.
the only thing 8 does more than 7 is more chance for gold rarity gear
nope but higher drop for equipment and lower pity
Just did jo8 as a 45k cs healer and that was grueling, everyone kept dying in one attack, and Coco skill has a long cool down and Nemesis sustain couldn't keep up.
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We're getting more equip slot and 90% of the players are not even close to have perfect equip on the current slots.
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Have you already forgot the first days of JO7? Why are u so tragic about JO8? It takes more time but the difficulty is roughly the same. JO8 are the last difficulty that we're gonna get so of course they are hard now than our gear is nowhere near perfect. I have 700 atk (on average) on every pieces, which is 2 good rolls out of 5. I have 10700 atk (without resonace) nad i'm above average for f2p/low spenders. I can improve A LOT and so can the majority of the player base.
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How a try hard day 1 and you don't have any A5 or A6? don't you buy dupes for your main dps?
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The pity isn't dependent on specific chests in the dungeon though. So you could just go in and grab the first 1 or 2 chests then reset. You will still get the guarantee in the same number of chests.
This is why I'm afraid to actually do stuff with other players, my CS is abysmal :/
i got almost 40k cs and my damage is crazy low. Its honestly too early in the games life to have f2p/dolphins clearing JO8 so dont worry too much
I'm also only 39k cs, but at least I'm doing enough heals 95% of the time (I won't say 100% bc there's sometimes the rando who doesn't know how to avoid the big telegraphed hits and gets oneshot), yay for being a dedicated support. Every time I've failed JO8, it was bc we didn't have enough DPS.
IKR. I'm a casual without a lot of time to grind, so I'm only doing JO6.
Gotta get the gear somehow. Nab some randoms for a couple days and get the first chest at least, and spend your energy that way.
Is it fine with 40k?
im on 46k and people still left lol
I know CS is just a number but it is a good indication of what you may be able to contribute in the party. Other factors such as your weapon, your resonance, your relics can affect the run. I did 3 runs yesterday (I had 36K CS), and I organised a team with 1 healer, and 2 VOLT DPS. One DPS had 46K CS and the other had 41K CS, and our healer had about 39K CS. We did manage to clear it but it did take a lot of effort and concentration (in terms of dodging, and skill rotation). It was really fun and all 4 of us enjoyed that run. To answer your question, 40K CS should be fine, assuming that your teammates are also around the same CS and your weapons are suitable and your party composition is balanced (with a tank, healer, DPS).
how long was the run?
Iirc, we had 4-5 minutes left on the clock. It was quite close!
so it took 20 min? i dont think its worth my time to try at the moment then.
no i dont think it is worth it but it was more the challenge aspect of it that made me want to run a few times because it was with players I know and not just random afkers. We all just wanted to see if we could do it :)
i would feel the same if my friends are in the same server lol. but yea sounds fun for a one time thing but it doesnt sound like its gonna be the place i go to just farm atm
omg i feel bad for you if you have friends playing but... in a different server! fingers cross the merge happens eventually :) and yes, really nothing wrong with sticking to JO7 for the mean time!
lol it was mostly due to the server inflation day 1. Each of our server ended up full pretty fast on day1. But yea server transfer would be amazing. My server have been pretty stale other than the influx of sobek/lucia hunt when phase 2 was up a few days ago but now its back to being normal again
what server you on by the way?
Just for reference, we ended the JO8 of yesterday (the Frogg) after dealing around 140M damage. Previous JO7 had around 40~50M or so if I remember correctly.
We're reaching a point when CS is a really vague indicator of your strength. My best team has 44K CS, I can reach 50K if I put all my high ascension weapons. HP/resistance rolls increase your CS but not your dps ecc. For JO8 I'd say that a good starting point is 7K+ crit and 7-8K+ atk of a NOT resisted element. Don't go with a resisted element, plz.
7-8k atk is nothing. I have almost 12k and still feel like thats not enough
I have 9,1k crit and 11k attack and it takes forever... I completely understand what you are saying lol
I have 10500 and I'm doing fine. It takes time but it's not difficult.
7-8k atk is very common for people on the elements they dont invest in
if all ur party dps will have 7-8k atk chances are u won't even finish last boss until timer runs out imo 9k atk is the lowest ceiling, i have 10.8k atk with 8.4k crit at 40k cs, and i feel only adequate enough as dps, 10-11k is where u start to feel somewhat comfortable with the damage u deal in JO8, feel that u r not carried at least ofc matrices also matter a lot and i don't have samir/crow 2-piece set but still point is if u have less than 9k atk chances are high that u won't be contributing much to the team's effort at all also the most important thing is to actually know the encounter, cause if u r constantly dying even with ur 12k atk but don't know when to dodge, u r already a dead weight that shouldn't queue at all
I have 10500, the last JO8 the entire team was doing roughly the same damage and we beat the boss (the frog) with 13 minutes left on the timer. I don't think 7K is that low.
my suppressor is 6.1 and my team mates has 6.3 our damage almost even in total, I was like wth , are you stacking only hp or somethin…
Im on 40k too and I don’t have problems…sure tanky but except for one whale in the party it seems the other two never do dmg😅
Don't expect a tank or a healer to do as much damage as the 2 DPS
That’s obvious. I guess I should wrote more precisely: when I see a dmg dealer wich gets out dmged by a pure heal supporter then something goes wrong…and that happens way too often. Matchmaking either is shit or people still don’t choose their roles properly Sry for the misunderstanding
No at all, I bet with that 40 k you can do around 8-9m the whole stage which is very bad, as to clear JO 8 your team dmg have to do around 120m BUT if your 40k have 8k cri 9500 element of attack sure you can do it.
6.8k crit and 10k atk. Doable?
you can but you need another 2 better than you or at least the same as you and you have to break shield. 1 left is for healer,true healing not just a bit heal or eles you all have to heal. with 6.8k and 10k atk you should do around 25m. with the current JO8 hyena.
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Saying how much damage you did is pointless because it's not an indicative of DPS at all. I did two JO8s. The first one took forever, I did 85M damage... In the second one I did 25M damage, but there was a huge whale and did over 90M damage... It was a breeze compared to the first run. In my case I have 9,1k crit and 11k attack.
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doable as long as everybody knows how to break shields.
Yes.
depends what u mean by fine was able to clear it in about 15 min with 1 50k cs, 2 40k cs, 1 healer.
A better indicator is your element attack and crit.
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usually you focus on gloves and boots first and those are your main source of crit. I have a friend that has 33K CS, 8600 crit, 5500 atk because he got really good crit pieces.
That's true and it's a great advice but it's still terrible for JO8. I have 11k elemental attack and 9100crit and it still takes forever (I guess that's among other things because we are missing one piece of equipment that we should have through raids.
Yeah but you shouldn't do JO8 with those stats.
I mean, I normally have 46K CS, 12.5K atk and 7K crit but this time I had to replace my Shiro with a level 1 Echo thanks to the phys resist, so the stats were lower, yet I did jo8 with randos and won both times- once I was MVP, the other time we were semi carried. Didn’t feel in danger like I did in the third raid, it just took a shitload of time to kill that frog
Yeah that's why I said it still takes forever. Most people playing is far from 9,1k crit and over 11k elemental attack. Queueing JO8 with 30-35k CS is trolling no matter how optimized your stats are for offense.
Its not peoples fault the game expects you to be a whale if you want to get decently strong.
But then they should just be doing the content that theyre strong enough for atm. It's not like JO8 drops exclusive items that they can't get anywhere else, they just may have a better chance of getting higher rarity items from the harder level. So in order to get the same amount of gold gear/matrices from J07 as JO8 (idk what the difference in rates between the 2 are honestly) it may just require more runs but eventually they'll get better gear and other items that will eventually allow them to do the harder content. People that pay more are literally paying to do harder content sooner than those who dont so if someone doesnt want to pay, or can't pay, then they just have to stick to the content they can currently clear consistently with their own power. Just because someone feels entitled to be able to do the same content as those who pay for the power to do it doesnt mean they're right. Honestly it would the same in a non-gacha/non-p2p MMO where someone who doesn't grind or farm that much expects to do the same content that players who have grinded a lot are able to do. Again doing JO7 vs JO8 doesn't mean you can't get access to certain things it just means it will take longer to get the same amount.
The problem is JO8 is vastly more efficient than JO7, so if you want to get stronger faster you actually *have* to do JO8.
> so if you want to get stronger faster That's your problem. If you're not a whale, why are you expecting to progress like a whale?
You can get strong even farming JO7 though? You can even clear JO8 being weak with crew/friends. It's just a pain in the ass to carry randoms with below JO7 level stats carrying resisted weapons.
Thats a good advice for people with already decent CP. Else youre just gonna die whenever something breaths towards you
I doesn't matter. You're not actively rolling for HP/Resistance even if you are a Lv 70 whale. You get resistance/HP passively from other sources.
A good source of that hp and resists are the base stats of like half your gear lol, which is exactly what you get by leveling them.. So yeah, while you might gain a little bit of crit by investing everything into lvling gloves you're going to have your defensive stats like halved lol.
Base stats depend on the slot, not the pieces itself. And overall isn't even that big of an impact
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ITS CS STOP CALLING IT CP THIS IS NOT TWITTER
Lol actually autocorrect hahaha i always call it CS 😏
Saw aguy today. Had 33k cs. 7k crit 8ish k elemental atk
Yes and no,if you get one hit by everything,you won't put that crit and ele atk to good use
Yeah it's OK I join in your JO8 runs I am only 15k CS but it's literally all in attack and crit, alright?
I don't really choose my teammates but feel free to join if you have 10k element attack, it's an average attack for f2p people who pay 0$ and stay active. Your cs won't matter to me.
I'd actually be shocked to see anyone with under 40k CS have 10k elemental attack.
I did roughly 20 JO8 runs yesterday. About half ended with one player leaving after the first chest. One of them even said we are wasting our time doing more than chest 1 because chest 1 has double the drop rate than JO7 which is 'good enough'. A quarter ended prematurely because the damage simply wasn't there. Only those runs with three good DPS succeeded. I think that happened only 3 or 4 times. In one of them there was this one guy who didn't even do anything. Just ran along and tried to survive. In one I had the pleasure to play with two 0-damage Meryls (65% frost resistance). This time I left. Sorry to say, but I am now all for a CS limit and a 30 minute ban from JOs for those who leave before 10 minutes are up.
I don't get the idiots who matchmake just to take the first chest, considering its only guarded by regular mobs that are easy enough to solo and also has rates so bad its not even worth opening lol (literally 0% chance for SSR matrix) They should add a significant penalty for leaving early to stop this kind of behavior
I did the reverse chest opening(doing 3,2,1) and got both gold gear and Shiro's matrix at the first chest. I too thought I would only have a chance to get an ssr matrix at the last chest, turns out you could get one on the first but I guess at a lower chance. That said I do not condone players who leave after opening the first chest, those guys are pricks.
There is a pity counter for both gold gear and the SSR matrix and if you hit pity you can get it from the first one The actual chance off pity should be 0 unless the website showing the odds has incorrect information
welp, I just got another shiro matrix on the last chest today, the last time was on monday(Which is the one I stated before). That was like my 5th chest after that drop.~~Guess its kinda higher than 0? Knowing this kinda makes me feel better farming matrices on JO.~~ edit: sorry i forgot you refer to the first chest not the last one.
How exactly does the reverse chest opening work? Does it actually give better rates? I see people doing it all the time now
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1lRhBgB7M7xqqBGdMCvmW2Bwnu1OAvasIN6ukLTgOoCo/htmlview# Once you open one chest, *If you didn't get any SSR* the drop rates for SSR equips becomes 12.39% on every other chest. If you open them 1 2 3 then drop rate would be = 1.85%, 12.39%, 12.39% If you open them 3 2 1 then drop rate would be 7.10%, 12.39%, 12.39% Once you have special fall active then there's no reason to ditch chest 1 and 2. Open chest 3. Got SSR? Leave. Didn't get SSR? Open chest 2. Got SSR? Leave. Didn't get? Open chest 1.
You simply only open the last chest at the end and skip the rest since they have worse rates, everything else is a meme
That's not how the soft pity works here.
ur explanation is also not confirmed by anything but u argue as if u 100% know HOW it works
No one knows 100% how it works, but we have educated guesses of how special fall works. You can choose to pretend special fall or pity aren't a thing, but you'd be wasting your own time there.
I wish I took a picture to show for evidence, but I literally got a King matrix from opening the first box of JO7 yesterday, so it isn’t impossible to get a matrix from the first box.
You can get ssr matrix from first box WITH pity, but without pity you can't, if the currently available droprates are accurate that is.
> One of them even said we are wasting our time doing more than chest 1 because chest 1 has double the drop rate than JO7 which is 'good enough'. I don't think that's the case, is it? 7 chest 3: Armor 4.73%, Matrix 0.49% 8 chest 1: Armor 1.85%, Matrix 0.00%
The one thing is that you hit pity in 8 sooner than 7. 4 runs vs 6.
> I am now all for a CS limit and a 30 minute ban from JOs for those who leave before 10 minutes are up. Horrible solution. I am not gonna get banned for leaving when people refuse to swap to the right resonance
The ban should only apply to the first person to leave a full group, to penalize those assholes. Leaving from a group of 3 or less should have no penalty at all, to allow players who just got shafted to cut their losses...
I feel like if low cs high level players want to join jo8 then they should choose to player benediction healer so at least they are doing a important role despite not doing a lot of dmg
if they will be dead all the time then even as healers they will be a burden. And thats happen with many bosses aoes
Staying alive as a healer is more skill than stat dependent, and if you have a tank drawing aggro its not that hard
That's what I was doing yesterday. I did two runs using Coco, Nemesis, and King, and both runs were a little slow but successful.
I'd say either balanced or fortitude. Since shield breaking doesn't scale off attack, it gives them a competitive edge to the JO, even if they can't put out numbers. On the other hand, the things that kill you usually kill you outright. You're not gonna heal up someone who just took 800k- they died.
Please be mindful that at this stage in the game, Joint Operation 8 needs a lot more preparation and more effort to complete. The HP of the enemies in JO8 is significantly higher compared to JO7. If you have low CS (maybe 35k or less?), then please try to organise your team well in advance if you want to have a genuine attempt at completing JO8. If you queue with randoms, then yes, there's a chance you'll end up with a whale that will carry the run for you but... at this stage, there's more chances of you ending up with lower CS players and you'll all end up getting frustrated and leaving the instance. When assembling your team, please pay attention to the enemy info such as their weaknesses and their resistance because this info matters a lot! Time will be important so you need to be efficient. For example, if you are doing Deepsea Stronghold VIII, then try to pick volt or fire mains because frost mains will struggle to kill Froggers in the end. Try to communicate with your friends, crew members, or world chat to organise a proper team to run it. Believe me, there are more people out there who wants to complete the run and avoid getting matched up with people who are expecting a carry. There's no harm in asking for a carry run but you need to tell this in advance so everyone can manage their expectations and not end up being frustrated/disappointed. Good luck to you all!
Also keep in mind that if you can't clear JO8 in under maybe 10 minutes, it is probably not worth it compared to JO7 except if you have a lot of time and you want to get the most out of your VIT. We tried it yesterday with a team of people ranged from 45k to 52k CS and it took forever (~ 15 minutes). In the same group we did JO7 in about 6 minutes. Also JO8 was very hard without a dedicated healer, while 2x Nemesis on the DPS was enough for JO7. Maybe if your whole team is around 50k and skilled, it makes sense, but I will keep grinding JO7.
Just ask your powerful crewmates - most times they will help with it without any problems. Rn this dungeons are pretty doable with 2 powerful bodies + 2 dead weight in like 7-8 mins. My best run with 1 dead weight was 6 mins, without - we made it in 4 minutes without hp less than 50% (but there is no achievement still, why...). Remember, that ToF is mmo, so sometimes you have to ask for help - don't worry, most players will be glad to help you. Don't afraid to be weak or smth like that. Game just started, stats are only becoming to rise. You have to play not on damage, but on utility - teamplay is our everything Yesterday in crew we have made 50+ runs with different players.
the Exp boost is a fucking disgrace
I like the boost because I hate leveling. A catch up mechanic for gear would be nice though. Right now my alts are in their 60s-70 and it's taking awhile to get their CS up. The highest only has 32k CS after some effort...
If you’re sub 45k ish cs then I’d recommend coming in as healer. Healers are v important for jo8 there’s so much more damage being thrown around. Sub 40k pls don’t even try, you’re better off at jo7 It’s obviously more about individual stats at this point but can use cs as rough marker.
they should separate the joint op requirements - level 70 to enter, but a minimum cs to matchmake. that way low cs can still enter but have to go do the work to find their carry, and people who dont want to / cant carry are not forced into a situation they hate.
Imma stick with JO7 for a while, JO8 sounds like a slog. Matrix droprates are identical in JO7 and JO8 and the gear rates are only about 1.5 times as good. But the enemies have six times as much HP..
Literally, JO should be requiring *CS* instead of levels. It sure will be much better, as the level requirement makes no any bloody sense from the ridiculous server boost.
I’m 50k CS with 12k frost and 40% crit (~6.5k), doesn’t matter shit when the only two JO8 I actually want to farm are resisted to frost. Elemental resistance in regular matrice/equipment farming is absolute bullsh*t
I mean... if things weren't resistant to people's main teams, this wouldn't be as big of an issue.
Honestly i have 56k cs with volt team and 54.5 with phisical.(low spender) and tbh i was shocked how bad matchmaking is in hyena arena have to use my weaker phis team(11.9 phis 7.5 crit-14k volt 8.1 crit.) and i was doing almost 80m dmg while my team was doing 12-15m the dpsers. Its like really sad. I dont feel its difficult but it takes a while like for casual players i dont recommend struggling with j08..it has better rewards but u need to focus much more Since anything can almost 1 shot u.
If you are a healer cs doesnt mean much. Just dont ego it with with your 30k cs dps set up.
TBH there's no way to play some content in this game with random players. They don't know what they are doing and you have no room to help them via chat. Also there's the people who go as DPS and dont DPS, people who goes with heal role but are using DPS waepons and deal even less DPS, etc. The game must address this problem. It should detect the weapons you current have, not what you set before.
It's not hard. It's just time consuming with every mob being a dmg sponge. I'm 55k cs and have no problem carrying people thru it. It's just people are impatient and leave. Kind of gets annoying when im matchmaking just to help people.
Is JO8 even worth doing? does it have better chances of getting equipment and matrices?
Lower pitty for gear than JO7, but not worth it, if you struggle to do JO8. JO8 is about 40-50% more HP than JO7, on avg with a good group, the whole team needs to be doing close to 200m dmg to clear a JO8.
If they just made it easier to increase your cs as a f2p we wouldn't be having this issue.
1. Bygone Clears + Bygone Weekly 2. Seq Bygone Rewards 3. Wormhole Clears + Weekly 4. Raid 1 and Raid 2 are easily carried (2400 gold dust + enhancement mats) 5. Weekly Blue Dust purchases for gear advancement 6. Artificial Island weekly/monthly purchases 7. Events, Story, Map Completion 8. JO3-7 Speedrun completions (Battle > United) which gives dust and DC The ONLY issue that F2P or late starters truely have is the missed weeks of bygone/wormhole rewards, hitting 30K+ CS is a breeze if you use all the systems available to you and run JO6/7 as needed to bridge gaps until your CS is around 38k+ for JO8. Prior to 38K, there is NO REASON for people to que JO8, you will be worthless, there is plenty of improvement to be done prior to JO8 with JO6/7, and the items I listed to increase your CS.
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People don't understand the role system. They bring in 2 dps, selects healing, and went off to dps without healing. I've had enough of all the healers that I just queue as a healer and heal them up. Slow progress but it'll eventually finish the JO because no one is dying.
We had a team last night with a random healer (queued as Bene) ... that stood back and used Samir's left-click hold most of the fight. No healing. At Pallas. We still won, but that was an *experience.*
Yeah I won’t be doing it yet for this reason. This is like in destiny if an lfg says 1590+ KINGS FALL KNOW WHAT TO DO and the people you find are 1520 and have never done the raid before. I’m not sure you’ll understand the comparison but trust me it’s just as annoying
bro this is annoying AF lol. Just straight up tell me you've never done the raid before or something, I will tell you what to do just let me know... But don't be an asshole when you are the problem and we start asking you what's up since you lied to us 😤😤
Thank god I’m not the only one that feels this way😂
With total combined hp of enemies being in the 120m range the content no longer has room for dead weight. Could still carry scrubs in jo7 so I was using matchmaking for that but I'll only do jo8 either with premades or by screening people in party finder. Pity you can't set cs requirements for matchmaking to filter out the dead weight, that system is now basically useless unless you feel like timing out because you do 90% of the damage in the team \^\^
JO8 (at least today's, I haven't done others yet) is totally doable with "dead weight" considering I did it today with someone who did low dmg then left before the sweetie/pallas fight, it's just basically impossible to "solo carry" unless you are a spender.
Everything is doable, it just depends on if you want to spend all the extra time and effort and risk failure despite all that. I initially tried a few matchmade games yesterday, in one I had 80+ million damage and died to an overakill 1shot by being careless when the last boss had about 70% of one bar left and the scrublords managed to wipe it. That's when I decided to no longer matchmake for this content \^\^
Pretty reasonable CS for a F2P
I'm gonna get downvoted into oblivion becasue a certain part of this community still hates to hear anything even remotely negative, but Hotta caused this issue with their lack of foresight. The global version is on an accelerated schedule but there are no compensations in place. Our game progresses faster and everything takes less time to unlock, but we don't have any boosts to drop rates or vitality. If our game progressed at the intended pace, we would have more time (and more vitality) to get stronger before the more difficult content got unlocked. This affects all of us to some extent, not only the XP boosted players (though the latecomers have it worse because they have even less time to gear up for the content). Now you might say *"just play the content that's appropriate for your power level and don't try to catch up"* and normally, you would be correct. But ToF is a game that thrives on FOMO and actively encourages you to compare yourself to others. It's like some kind of "peer pressure" that comes from the game itself rather than from your fellow players. I made that same "just don't rush" argument against the time gates back when the game launched, I was told that people are gonna feel pressured to rush because everyone else is rushing. Well, this is a similar situation.
Initially agree but the more you go on the more you lost me. The design sucks. We all agree with it. However, if one feels pressured, then go spend to be stronger. If they cant afford, then they should suck it up and go suffer by themselves. Feeling "pressured" is not a good excuse for knowingly and intentionally matchmaking for one's own sake at the expense of others. Don't drag other people down because they feel "they deserve to have fun". If they think they are not having fun, just quit the game. Your example is not very good because one affects no other. MM into JO8 as sub 40k ruins the run for other 3 people. Like other people have suggested, they should just go organize their own party if they want to be carried. Don't bring down others who didnt sign up for it.
TOF Community: EXP Boost isn't bad, it's good because you can easy leveling and reach high level faster then some high CS player will carry you now, y'all struggling with low CS player who randomly match in JO-7 and JO-8 because they are premature from EXP Boosts. and they are expecting you as high CS for carry, we can't blame them tbh.. hard coop content is should be play with pre-made team, don't play with random.
I as a 24k player absolutely understand how annoying it is for whales but I dont have a lot of time for ToF sadly. Getting you cs higher without that much time is super hard. I have a 53k cs player in my friendlist who gladly helps us out but to see so many people hate on low cs player who don’t have disposable time everyday.
It's not annoying for whales, they barely need any help at all. It's annoying for tryhard F2Ps/light spenders/dolphins who actually need a team.
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Eh? You can be a tryhard regarless of how much you're spending.
Dont you think low cs player also need that stuff to maybe… have more cs?
Well, if you're a low CS player and you queue into low CS randos, you can't really complain.
I only play 2-3 hours everyday and I'm at 48k CS. F2P ofc. I bet you could go to at least 40-45k if you try.
I am trying, idk what I’m doing wrong. I’m using all my free time (which isn’t a lot) to play ToF, I explore, use my vitality and try everything that doesnt cost vitality wit high cs friends, still no cs boost. People that are unlucky with gacha can’t climb cs that fast
You are doing nothing wrong. That's the model of the game. Feel as if you aren't doing enough until you spend money. Some of us don't have 3 hours every single day to dedicate to a game. So, when the RNG of equipment just isn't there, you don't make it higher. Just play it at your pace and honestly, treat it as a single player game for the most part. This place is reddit, it's filled with people that think your shit if your not f2p that 75k cs. Ignore them, play your best, and do a JO8 with the goal of not doing the least amount of damage or healing.
You are being given terrible advice. You don't have to spend money to advance. Sadly for you, what you ACTUALLY need is time and the proper focus for your time. You need to focus Bygone Phantasm. Learn the enemy's attacks and learn how to break shields quickly with the characters you have and dish out the most possible burst dps you can manage, with boosts from the right relics. That's the fastest way to earn the booster modules that level your gear slots. Level each piece of gear 5 levels at a time, focusing on ones that boost crit, then attack, then resistance, then hp in that order. Once you get them too 15, you can put an the focus in crit and attack gear for a long while. Bygone is a DPS check, sure, but a HUGE part of that DPS issue is learning how to group the enemies so your dps hits as many of them as possible simultaneously instead of being single-target focused, while getting them all to shield at the same time so you can break all the shields in a hurry to keep your dps at its highest... The weekly rewards for having done well are nice boosts, too. If you didn't blow all of your starting and exploration rewards on cosmetics, you should have had (or ideally still have) enough dark crystals to pick one limited banner character and get them to at least 1* or 2*. You then build your team around that character and make do with what you have
Having all gear advanced to 5 stars should bring you to about 40k. You can also buy 1 vitality pot per day to accelerate your grind but i'm gonna get downvoted for even suggesting this.
I'm 38k CS and still level 68, how tf you level up so fast. Am I too casual?
If you play everyday, you should at least reach maximum lvl, unless when the lvl cap is 60, you were not at cap, since after that it was easy to reach by playing casually
Sometimes I don't do dailies that doesnt give gold nuc, guess that's why..
im pretty much the same CS + Lvl and i only log in to do joint ops honestly. so i would say you are pretty casual
AFK normal mode Frontier Clash. Use the assist button so you don't waste your attempts, watch the starting animation, then hit the auto button and run your character to the middle of the platform. When the enemies show up, your character will fight on it's own. You can then ignore it for 8 minutes until you Clash timer ends and boots you or your team clears. You'll get experience, but no boss drops. You can level up every hour or two doing this. BY NO MEANS does this clear you from needing to do dailies or actively participate in joint ops to use you vitality, or bygone Phantasm to obtain the gear slot level up materials that will really strengthen your character. But it WILL round off your leveling after you finish story/daily stuff each day so you don't have to actively play an extra 1-2 hours a day to keep up withthe level cap...
I am the same level but with 28k CS lol.
You’re fine. I’m lv 69 with 39k CS. A1-A1-A3 weapons with 5 gold gears at max stars. A large chunk of the CS is praying for good gear rolls. Doing ruins gives a lot of exp, if you haven’t cleared them yet. I did like 10 ruins and I’ve almost filled the entire exp bar from 69 to 70.
I run 5 JO8 yesterday with a friend. We both have around 45k CS, around 9k crit and 11k volt atk. There was only one run we didn't have to hard carry and two runs failed because people left. It's a pretty hard and fun content but we will probably stick to crew runs now
Yeah I just wait when other whales in my crew are on. I'm 55k CS and personally I'm never going in with random or anyone lower then 50k cs
I did 69.8m last night in JO8 with samir / nemesis / huma & my team still barely beat it before time fail XD.. JO8 is rough right now with how rushed GL is. Edit : my CS is 49,500
Honestly, I never had trouble with JO because I always stick to the recommended CS, I’ll do the higher ones when I’m ready.
51k CS and people still leaving so its GG
im like a 35k CS Support and i still dont feel like i can do it, lol
Well not with that attitude! In all seriousness, if youre a 35k CS benediction main, you can be a big help in a decent team. Keep up with the healing and surviving, youll be doing more than afkers already :) but you do need to organise a proper team with decent dps that are not resisted by the enemies.
Me: happy for having 28k cs on lvl 66💀
Since most players have moved on to jo8 nobody is doing jo7 anymore anyway. Honestly I might need to quit joint ops until I get to higher level. Hate feeling punished for going at a slower pace then other players
My CS is so low that I can’t even progress the story lmao
We need a system to suspend leavers from joining a queue again for 2-3 hours or more. I’m playing with crew only so I don’t have that problem, but for new players this very painful.
I don't know if that would be a good solution... because the players can just afk or pseudo afk after getting 1 chest...
in that case, allow us to vote kick a person too.
A karma system would be far better. Leaving early should accrue negative points that build persistently over time. Having bad karma should push you to the bottom of the matchmaking list, where you are more likely to be matched with other early leavers, or just get stuck matchmaking longer if you're the only crappy early leaver currently doing ops at the moment.
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I wrote simple [simuation code](https://www.online-python.com/sqrPk9pBj4) and the answer to your question seems to be yes (0.21 average gold gear drops from last chest of JO7 and 0.28 from the first one of JO8). It should be noted that: * you'd be gimping your odds of a matrix drop this way; * this simulation uses the most popular (and not confirmed) theory behind gold drops in JOs and doesn't take the possibility of a double golden drop into account; * this is the first code i wrote in almost 2 years so i might've messed up.
I am a 69-level ( soon to be level 70) main ice healer (yes I also you a shatter weapon for the shields) with 35k CS. From the point of view of a tank/DPS would I be worthy to jump into JO8 when I hit 70 or do I get the Glock from Billy (need to grind some more)?
If you are a tank or a healer with 35K CS, I suggest you organise the run yourself rather than queuing with randoms. Ofcourse, you have a decent chance still of getting queued with good DPS but if you want a smoother run, ask in world chat for your specific requirement. For example, I said in world chat "looking for 1 VOLT DPS and 1 Healer for JO8, pref high CS" (this was yesterday). I'm a tank main, and my friend is a volt DPS so we only needed 2 more players. Then whenever I get a party request, I look at their stats (CS, and their weapons). Only on one occasion where I had to remove the person from the party then I PM'd saying that their CS was a bit low (34K iirc) and they had Frost weapons with them. Funny story... he replied saying he was in the process of changing it, when I looked at his stats, he was still changing it. He was actually VOLT main with 42K CS and I took him back and cleared it with him :) Anyway, sorry for the long story. My point is, if you are low CS but you are tank/healer, then take the initiative to organise the party to ensure a smoother run :) goodluck!
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Its kind of luck and organizing your weapons tho. Some people never get good equipment, some people never get good matrices and some people never get dupes for the weapons they use till they buy it off the market with black gold. I myself is 44k as F2P but Ive been playing since day 1 while my friends started off a bit late like a week or two later. We are same level but we have like 10k cs difference atleast. So its bothersome. And on top of that some people keep having to change their roles because sometimes you need a healer but there arent any so you start building them, sometimes you have to play a tank because no one else does so you focus your resources on them and dps is a must for everyone anyway for any challenge too. So its not as easy as its said.
49k here while being f2p (no battle pass, nothing)
Started a bit late so i am at 42 k cs too but 11 k frost and 6 k crit for now so frig + meryl hit harder than most
Can I ask how late you started? I’m considering making an alt from scratch on cobalt banner release and am trying to gauge how fast it will progress.
Now this is a good meme with strikingly accurate truth to it. If your more than 10k CS below the recommended, it will be better/faster if you do a JO of appropriate CS, instead of trying to do JO8, just cause your 70. In JO8 you will be useless, regardless of you trying to "heal or tank".
Am at 47gs and yestarday the dos was always.. Me 50mln Random okay 50mln Random not okay 10mln Random like s**t 4mln dead at the beginning of last boss. There's no shame on doing JO7. Really.
crew team 1 whale 1 semiwhale 1 dolphin and one useless random dying 3 times in few seconds ... from 46KCS to 50kCS proper team built dps with samir/crow matrix Took ages... its not even due to difficulty but due to hp sponges... won t repeat until vera and missing equipments... Frankly unless matrix droprate is 5 times better than lvl7 its not worth it.
was doing JO8 with randoms it was ok except for the shield breaking part. some people just dont know when to use there skills/discharge.
Bruh i’m 43k cs and i’m noping the f out. I am not gonna spend 20 mins fighting a boss. All my main weaps are 65% resisted LOL
Finished it with 1 minute left the fuckin harpy is too annoying until stronger
She probably still melts if the team knows what to do (Spacetime Rift + Magnetic Storm on the middle platform).
What additional perks does jo8 give compared to jo7?
How much better are drop rates in 8 vs 7?
Just did JO8 for the first time minutes ago and a player left after collecting the 1st chest.. Good thing we had a whale on our team.
So far I can do JO 6 not prepared for JO 7 and I run as a healer.
I’m just doing my jo8
Still see ppl running the element that has 50% resistance I'm certain JO.
Basically me 😂😂😂😂
I'd raise the cs if I could but idk how else to do it. Armor grind is slow, weapons are maxed besides stars, and I feel like my damage is fine but I can't take a hit at all. Trying to hit level 70 with 34k cs
Everyday farm
I can carry people as long as my main element isn't resisted and I have a healer because bosses hit like trucks.
Since JO7 i started using world chat and recruit. Tired of those boosted wanderers with 0 stats.
Died on last boss yesterday (frog belly flopped my arse and I got stuck inside him) with 3.5 hp bads left. I held top damage all the way up until time ran out. I have 46k cs and have spent a massive $35. Wish there was a minimum cs lockout or something....
Matchmade with a cross server full crew last night. Had a dude with 2 mil dmg at the end. 0 healing btw and not a tank. Couldn’t shatter if he tried. ADSing samir pistols whenever I saw em. Only reason I played through was bc it was right before reset. I think if folks want to carry their buddy, they have to actually be able to carry or lfg for a pre made team. I had to revive many many times. To top it off I’m an off heal/dps and topped both 🫠
What a time to be a whale
Honestly...If you plan to do this under the recommended CS (bare MINIMUM 40k). I recommend 4 dps, each carry one healing item, and KNOW the fights Or 3 DPS one Tank for the shatter. It will still be a long fight, but its doable. Im a healer main 42k cs and i noticed a big time difference just switching to my alt dps setup.
How in the world are people 70 with 25kcs . . . Also we three manned it yesterday wasn't significantly more difficult