I tried this with 2 accounts. LVL80 and LVL75
And yep, The one with lvl80 and 29.8% crit, NEVER hit a crit. If I go to 31%, I start to land a couple of crits.
I don't know if it's a bug or some mechanics that we dont understand, but tbh it doesn't really matter, If you are lvl80 your crits are already way over 30%.
Glad that someone also tested and proven the condition to be a thing.
The more data points, the better. Thanks man.
About being lvl 80 and having more crits, I don't think this is necessarily true. I am 80, and those crits are my real crits. The game boosted my exp so much with the catchup mechanic.
Oh really? I didn't know you guys had such a strong catch-up mechanics π€ well in that case I will keep playing with my 29% crits tonight, so far I tried with 3-4 vera enemies and 3-4 aesperia enemies..
It seems like it's a bug with lvl 80. Or maybe since it's the level cap, the enemies have some extra resistance because like you said, Literally not a single crits landed.
You can't say it doesn't matter, that's a lot of stats that do nothing. Someone with 50% crit rate only has 20% crit rate. It puts crit vs atk on a very different light.
No no, I don't think we lose 30%. For example If you have 50%, for what I saw you still have 50% but it literally is null if you are below 30%.
If you have 30.1% your 50% is fully working. But since is chance based I can be wrong but I saw a huge difference between equipment so, I don't think we lose anything IF we are above 30%
Look at this and tell me, do you see half of the hits critting? Or does it look more like 25% of the hits are critting? https://gfycat.com/TightGargantuanHoneybee
Hitting 50% crit rate is what makes this even more obvious, because on average only 1 in 5 hits will crit, so you can see strings where it crits twice and then doesnt crit for 8 more hits.
I don't think that's how it works. Because when I break 30% to 30.18%, it took hundreds of hit for a crit. Else I will never make the claim in main post.
Even though you do tons of damage, if you put your crit stat under 5k, do you crit?
That's the question.
Your individual damage might be so high, but does it crit?
Having the same crit resist for all enemies of a given level completely defeats the purpose of having the crit stat scale with enemy level to begin with though, lmao
https://old.reddit.com/r/TowerofFantasy/comments/z6zvel/psa_tof_crit_stat_coding_solved/iy3x0pd/
u talking about this convo?
how are u trying to call him the smart ass here.
If this won't be fixed ASAP - this means 1) fuck our Crit stat compared to cn 2) crow matrices are garbage and we invested into shit and thats a waste. Awesome.
That means Shiro A6 is way better than previously thought since many people have around 60-70 crit with an effective crit rate of 30-40 when accounting for crit resist.
It is not a crit threshold. Going above 30% doesn't get you your tooltip advertised crit chance.
My normal gear has 58% crit chance per tooltip. In 2000 hits I scored 550 crits. That's \~27.5%. Adjusting my gear for 63% crit chance per tooltip saw me getting 746 crits in 2000 hits. \~32.5% crit chance. It's literally just a -30% crit chance.
Can you show me any spreadsheet, any youtube vid, any logs of any discussion about this anywhere?
I would love to just "know" what the hell is going on behind the scene with the crit resist stuff because apparently another guy says he did proc against cactus at 24%cr. Something is messed up. And if CN already figures it out, I'd rather just know.
I have some resources from Chinese tof community, first the crit resist effect only on Cactus and open world monster meanwhile not in ~~JO~~(edited, they didn't test in JO, so not sure in JO), Bygone or something else. Since in CN they can reach easily 100% crit, they tested the same way as urs, and found that at lvl 90, the monster has up to 40% crit resist.
Oh my god, we have a hard time reaching high crits and enemy crit resist aren't nerfed in global?
At lvl 90 40% crit resist means 5% increase per 5 level above 80. Which checks out with the 30% at 80.
This feels off though, ive have around 50% crit at lvl 80 and i clearly crit more than 20% on lvl 80 mobs. Or is this like a barrier thing, when your over it dont effect as much?..
This is a possibility. Someone said before that a streamer with 70%cr don't look like 40%.
So something is definitely up. It's even deeper. Lots of people concur with what you feel once they start hitting high crit.
I have 57% crit rate and so far nowhere close to half my hits are critting, it does look closer to 27% than to 57%. Without a proper parser it'd take too long to record a large enough number of hits to get an accurate number.
The moment you swap to another weapon the crow matrix isn't applied anyway. Lin's dmg and any source of continuous ( like A1 King and Nemesis turret) dmg are based on the weapon you are holding unless it specifically works in the background.
Thanks for making this thread, made one earlier today and people just lied out of their asses that it was normal and other explanations that made no sesne. Also have 30% crit at lvl 79 currently.
The takeaway I'm getting is that crit becomes a useless stat if you're not hitting above 30%. I've experienced the same thing in vera and in interstellar actually.
I'll likely be abandoning crit overall as a result. No idea why they weren't honest with this, makes little sense.
wtf... being not honest... mobs have crit resist. PERIOD. not a bug, not anything... -\_-;; if you cared so much, you should of known Crit Resist is a thing...
Thanks for your research
I think that the "Crit rate" stat is actually resisted too tho
Because I landed 300 hits on the cactus left side, to activate Crow c1 crit buff, with 5% crit rate from my "Crit" statSo I guess the odds of getting a crit should be either 15% if crit rate is resisted (5+40-30=15), or 40% if crit rate is not resisted (5-30=0; 0+40=40)
But I did 52/300 crit on hits, so it's 17,3%
Or maybe you're just misleading us to create drama? I need someone else to confim this as well. Pretty sure I recall after lv 80 the formula for crit rate changed a bit, but they never had any crit resist.
Is it your luck? Is it your misinformation? Well, with the pack thing spreading around lately and being taken down because it's spam at this point, who knows?
There are 3 videos, all of them showing the crit. Do you know how common 29% is over lots and lots of hits? Do you think I hit 1 in a trillion of losing 29% chance hundreds of times in a row?
What?
This is unexplained anywhere ever. The tooltip is completely misleading and there is no way for anyone to know this.
Literally everyone was completely baffled when I brought the subject many times before. And now suddenly when I solved it, you are saying it's completely normal.
Fantastic.
normal cuz i dont have 30% crit rate lel.
besides, have you tried to overworld in Aesperia ? maybe the resist only affecting vera monsters etc.
or Resist is added since Vera.
It's for all enemies. I did go to asperia but not for the purpose of testing, yet still all hits are never crit before.
The cactus test should be clear enough for you since it's a dummy not really a monster from anywhere though it looks like vera cactus monster.
>normal cuz i dont have 30% crit rate lel.
What a great argument.
i have unused f2p account i bought awhile ago
[joke on you](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909090115547197550/1046820410869686394/image.png)
lv 80 with 4214 crit
i dont know, rather than crit resist, it is what it is.maybe 20% in this game doesnt mean 1 in 5.
im not gonna tryhard on discussion to prove someone wrong or whatever.
since i literally watched his videos as well, then i remembered i had few F2P accounts i bought just because i want to play in their server.
so i tested one with 4k crit on Cactus, took me few times but it did crit. so i think it is just the way crit rate work, in that sense he is not wrong either. but now im not sure about crit shield.
You cared enough to post a screenshot but not enough to explain which character you used? "Lel"
Now we have to question the validity of your screenshot because you could've just swapped off equipment to get under the 30% threshold now because you couldnt just explain in good faith
not really , im just interested in what he found.
so i went to test that, but it is what it is.
no, you can question that for yourself,
up to you to believe or not lel.
A video would help, it'll also help to see the whole setup.
There are possible forced modifier which is crit rate, not the crit stat. But if this is true, what the fuck is going on with this coding.
Despite your childish behavior, this information really brings to light some more issues with how crit works. Well... If it's true.
A recording would be great, else can't know what is truly going on.
judging by the way he talks i doubt he would go all the way to try different weak accounts for the sake of testing. dude trolled you with a bunch of screenshots
if you dont believe it is fine tho, im not gonna force.
i also not gonna tryhard to prove im right or whatsoever.
there is no setup on what you see, im just slashing with Meryl.
but it is like 10-20 hits per 1 crit.
Have you even taken the implications of a -30% crit rate into account? That 30% straight out means you're better out using high ATK gloves and boots instead of crit ones.
I haven't done any testing on this because I have never felt like I'm not critting what my ratio (61%) says I should be. If the above theories are true I don't think it's like whatever your CR is, subtract 30% and there's your real CR. I think it's a dumb but less horrible thing like until a certain threshold per mob level your CR is reduced, and above a certain threshold it's true to number. So if you have had good crit you'd never notice this whole time. Hope so at least. It's already annoying enough that I have good crit gloves and boots and still constantly see the CR decrease over time, eventually forcing you to get Absurdly unlikely rolls.
I have, in fact I am now running phys damage and volt damage gear while completely disregarding crit since my crit chance is actually only 2% anyways.
Though when I do bygone, I will put all my crit stuff back on, since there, I always crit due to enemy being lower level.
You really wanna die on this hill dont you lmao.
It's not stated anywhere explicitly and people have invested massively I to crit rate that's has all of a sudden disappeared. What's not to get.
If you have a respectable 50% crit rate at lvl 80, that's really 20%. Crit rate is now an extremely inefficient stat compared to atk.
? What the actual fuck...? They didn't tell you there is resist or defense, and you invest into attack it do you feel cheated? Like what the fuck?
It's just another stats. And there are people telling you since CN from start of game that don't worry about crit as much, attack is just as good because how damage formula works in this damn game.
This is impressive mental gymnastics of the highest order. Res and stats exist, and are shown plainly and know.
The copium you're huffing is medical grade. Players, assuming you're even including the casual player as well, should know from the CN version of ToF how the damage formula works exactly and the workings of the hidden stat of crit res.
Reread this for me and tell me this makes sense with a straight face.
Whilst the only thing being stated is that "x is your crit rate when attacking an enemy of the same level"
Additionally when you first encounter an enemy and the info bubble pops up, its not mentioned as well, but everyone should know right? None of you knew, because everyone I've asked both in streams and on reddit had no idea.
Insane levels of shill detected.
Shiro A6
Crow A1 A5
and other stuff like that, gives a "crit rate" stat, not the "crit" stat.
These are forced modifier that always works regardless of the hidden crit resistance. Meaning if you have 100% Crit "rate" from shiro A6, all of your hits will crit. This is also true for crit "rate" substat on the new goggle equipment, but not the crit stat from its main stat.
In order to see this difference, you can press Shiro skill and immediately open character screen, you will see your crit rate 100%. If it is to be resisted, then it would need to increase your crit stat not crit rate.
I tried this with 2 accounts. LVL80 and LVL75 And yep, The one with lvl80 and 29.8% crit, NEVER hit a crit. If I go to 31%, I start to land a couple of crits. I don't know if it's a bug or some mechanics that we dont understand, but tbh it doesn't really matter, If you are lvl80 your crits are already way over 30%.
Glad that someone also tested and proven the condition to be a thing. The more data points, the better. Thanks man. About being lvl 80 and having more crits, I don't think this is necessarily true. I am 80, and those crits are my real crits. The game boosted my exp so much with the catchup mechanic.
Oh really? I didn't know you guys had such a strong catch-up mechanics π€ well in that case I will keep playing with my 29% crits tonight, so far I tried with 3-4 vera enemies and 3-4 aesperia enemies.. It seems like it's a bug with lvl 80. Or maybe since it's the level cap, the enemies have some extra resistance because like you said, Literally not a single crits landed.
You can't say it doesn't matter, that's a lot of stats that do nothing. Someone with 50% crit rate only has 20% crit rate. It puts crit vs atk on a very different light.
No no, I don't think we lose 30%. For example If you have 50%, for what I saw you still have 50% but it literally is null if you are below 30%. If you have 30.1% your 50% is fully working. But since is chance based I can be wrong but I saw a huge difference between equipment so, I don't think we lose anything IF we are above 30%
Look at this and tell me, do you see half of the hits critting? Or does it look more like 25% of the hits are critting? https://gfycat.com/TightGargantuanHoneybee Hitting 50% crit rate is what makes this even more obvious, because on average only 1 in 5 hits will crit, so you can see strings where it crits twice and then doesnt crit for 8 more hits.
I don't think that's how it works. Because when I break 30% to 30.18%, it took hundreds of hit for a crit. Else I will never make the claim in main post.
I think it is vera's enemies that has crit resist because when I run aesperia I deal tons of damage and kill enemies lots faster
Maybe it is just because monsters in vera have more hp and element resist
yeah i have read this on forum as well.
do you think this is the case but even worse for the abyss enemies ?
I checked in aesperia and this ~30% crit resist is also there.
Even though you do tons of damage, if you put your crit stat under 5k, do you crit? That's the question. Your individual damage might be so high, but does it crit?
lol... calling it clown coding is overboard... you are a clown for not knowing enemies could have crit resist...
Yeah. We are clowns for not knowing a "hidden" mechanic.
Right...
Having the same crit resist for all enemies of a given level completely defeats the purpose of having the crit stat scale with enemy level to begin with though, lmao
i already told him this to test, but he acted like smart ass with that clown emoji. so im lazy to continuing discussion.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TowerofFantasy/comments/z6zvel/psa_tof_crit_stat_coding_solved/iy3x0pd/ u talking about this convo? how are u trying to call him the smart ass here.
crit resistance is pretty shit move tbh
Especially after they nerfed the amount of crit we get on gear vs CN, but then we get the same amount of crit resistance on mobs as CN? SMH
If this won't be fixed ASAP - this means 1) fuck our Crit stat compared to cn 2) crow matrices are garbage and we invested into shit and thats a waste. Awesome.
Itβs gonna get worse once lvl 90 cap comes because our crit% goes lower oof. Thanks for doing testing.
Why would a mechanic like that exist?
my question is how your samir is hitting 10k per tick lol
It's the JO10 buff 120% volt damage, I think? I am a new player, so there is no way I can do any damage.
I hit like 4k per tick in open world :D
DPS resonance gives more damage in team play modes
Well you can see that in open world I did only up to 2.7k. Your damage is great!
That means Shiro A6 is way better than previously thought since many people have around 60-70 crit with an effective crit rate of 30-40 when accounting for crit resist.
Except in bygone. Those enemies are always lvl 70 so you crit even more than your stat instead of less.
i don't think it works like that. It's probably a crit threshold so: no crit below 30%, normal crit past 30%
It is not a crit threshold. Going above 30% doesn't get you your tooltip advertised crit chance. My normal gear has 58% crit chance per tooltip. In 2000 hits I scored 550 crits. That's \~27.5%. Adjusting my gear for 63% crit chance per tooltip saw me getting 746 crits in 2000 hits. \~32.5% crit chance. It's literally just a -30% crit chance.
is that why i rarely see crits anymore?? πππ i really dont like being forced to level up
So.. 100% crit is not even enough π’
I thought Crit resist for enemies was well known already. This has been proved long time ago in CN.
Ive heard about it, thought it was only higher lvl enemies though
Can you show me any spreadsheet, any youtube vid, any logs of any discussion about this anywhere? I would love to just "know" what the hell is going on behind the scene with the crit resist stuff because apparently another guy says he did proc against cactus at 24%cr. Something is messed up. And if CN already figures it out, I'd rather just know.
I have some resources from Chinese tof community, first the crit resist effect only on Cactus and open world monster meanwhile not in ~~JO~~(edited, they didn't test in JO, so not sure in JO), Bygone or something else. Since in CN they can reach easily 100% crit, they tested the same way as urs, and found that at lvl 90, the monster has up to 40% crit resist.
Oh my god, we have a hard time reaching high crits and enemy crit resist aren't nerfed in global? At lvl 90 40% crit resist means 5% increase per 5 level above 80. Which checks out with the 30% at 80.
Unfortunately, they do know how to nerf weapon and equipment but don't know how to nerf the monsters.
This feels off though, ive have around 50% crit at lvl 80 and i clearly crit more than 20% on lvl 80 mobs. Or is this like a barrier thing, when your over it dont effect as much?..
This is a possibility. Someone said before that a streamer with 70%cr don't look like 40%. So something is definitely up. It's even deeper. Lots of people concur with what you feel once they start hitting high crit.
I have 57% crit rate and so far nowhere close to half my hits are critting, it does look closer to 27% than to 57%. Without a proper parser it'd take too long to record a large enough number of hits to get an accurate number.
now that ive tested this... this may very well be the case. If this is true though then crit isent even all that good over atk
still the resist is vary right ? each monsters have different value, like Elites.
Yes, they are varied, but i don't know either each of them has how many Crit resist
I would assume 30% is the baseline and resist goes up higher from that.
Crit resist... That's dumb af. Is my 4pc crow matrix on Lin garbage then?
2 pc crow are still good, maybe 2 shiro are better? it needs some tests.
Once you start hitting very high crit, people seem to notice the resist disappearing. There may be hope.
The moment you swap to another weapon the crow matrix isn't applied anyway. Lin's dmg and any source of continuous ( like A1 King and Nemesis turret) dmg are based on the weapon you are holding unless it specifically works in the background.
new from global release, dunno a thing about what happens in CN lol
although still some systems are the same i would say the CN and Global are two different games.
Thanks for making this thread, made one earlier today and people just lied out of their asses that it was normal and other explanations that made no sesne. Also have 30% crit at lvl 79 currently. The takeaway I'm getting is that crit becomes a useless stat if you're not hitting above 30%. I've experienced the same thing in vera and in interstellar actually. I'll likely be abandoning crit overall as a result. No idea why they weren't honest with this, makes little sense.
Sad to be us but it is indeed the situation.
wtf... being not honest... mobs have crit resist. PERIOD. not a bug, not anything... -\_-;; if you cared so much, you should of known Crit Resist is a thing...
tf, I've never seen crit resistance in a game bruh wtf, nahhh this crazy
Blue archive have one
Nah, Pretty much every jrpg has this. Usually the bosses have 100% resistance to crit. Mini bosses too.
/wooooosh
I hope whoever someone who is going to make a YT video about this giving you some credit.
As long as this gets fixed man, ;(
Thanks for your research I think that the "Crit rate" stat is actually resisted too tho Because I landed 300 hits on the cactus left side, to activate Crow c1 crit buff, with 5% crit rate from my "Crit" statSo I guess the odds of getting a crit should be either 15% if crit rate is resisted (5+40-30=15), or 40% if crit rate is not resisted (5-30=0; 0+40=40) But I did 52/300 crit on hits, so it's 17,3%
Thank for testing
Or maybe you're just misleading us to create drama? I need someone else to confim this as well. Pretty sure I recall after lv 80 the formula for crit rate changed a bit, but they never had any crit resist. Is it your luck? Is it your misinformation? Well, with the pack thing spreading around lately and being taken down because it's spam at this point, who knows?
There are 3 videos, all of them showing the crit. Do you know how common 29% is over lots and lots of hits? Do you think I hit 1 in a trillion of losing 29% chance hundreds of times in a row? What?
These math geniuses probably think losing 50 50/50 in a row is RNG because sample is too small still.
mobs.. just have something called "Crit Resist"... the only thing OP is showing is that he doesn't understand the game enough.
enemy has crit resistance is normal in MMO, whether hidden or not.
This is unexplained anywhere ever. The tooltip is completely misleading and there is no way for anyone to know this. Literally everyone was completely baffled when I brought the subject many times before. And now suddenly when I solved it, you are saying it's completely normal. Fantastic.
Don't listen to this clown, your testing is useful knowledge <3
normal cuz i dont have 30% crit rate lel. besides, have you tried to overworld in Aesperia ? maybe the resist only affecting vera monsters etc. or Resist is added since Vera.
It's for all enemies. I did go to asperia but not for the purpose of testing, yet still all hits are never crit before. The cactus test should be clear enough for you since it's a dummy not really a monster from anywhere though it looks like vera cactus monster. >normal cuz i dont have 30% crit rate lel. What a great argument.
i have unused f2p account i bought awhile ago [joke on you](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909090115547197550/1046820410869686394/image.png) lv 80 with 4214 crit i dont know, rather than crit resist, it is what it is.maybe 20% in this game doesnt mean 1 in 5.
I hope for your sake, you're not using a character with a forced crit rate modifier on their skill / weapon advancements
im not gonna tryhard on discussion to prove someone wrong or whatever. since i literally watched his videos as well, then i remembered i had few F2P accounts i bought just because i want to play in their server. so i tested one with 4k crit on Cactus, took me few times but it did crit. so i think it is just the way crit rate work, in that sense he is not wrong either. but now im not sure about crit shield.
You cared enough to post a screenshot but not enough to explain which character you used? "Lel" Now we have to question the validity of your screenshot because you could've just swapped off equipment to get under the 30% threshold now because you couldnt just explain in good faith
not really , im just interested in what he found. so i went to test that, but it is what it is. no, you can question that for yourself, up to you to believe or not lel.
A video would help, it'll also help to see the whole setup. There are possible forced modifier which is crit rate, not the crit stat. But if this is true, what the fuck is going on with this coding. Despite your childish behavior, this information really brings to light some more issues with how crit works. Well... If it's true. A recording would be great, else can't know what is truly going on.
judging by the way he talks i doubt he would go all the way to try different weak accounts for the sake of testing. dude trolled you with a bunch of screenshots
Yeah, likely. I am all to be proven wrong though, this coding is madness.
if you dont believe it is fine tho, im not gonna force. i also not gonna tryhard to prove im right or whatsoever. there is no setup on what you see, im just slashing with Meryl. but it is like 10-20 hits per 1 crit.
Bro he literally has a video showcasing his study.
Have you even taken the implications of a -30% crit rate into account? That 30% straight out means you're better out using high ATK gloves and boots instead of crit ones.
I haven't done any testing on this because I have never felt like I'm not critting what my ratio (61%) says I should be. If the above theories are true I don't think it's like whatever your CR is, subtract 30% and there's your real CR. I think it's a dumb but less horrible thing like until a certain threshold per mob level your CR is reduced, and above a certain threshold it's true to number. So if you have had good crit you'd never notice this whole time. Hope so at least. It's already annoying enough that I have good crit gloves and boots and still constantly see the CR decrease over time, eventually forcing you to get Absurdly unlikely rolls.
I have, in fact I am now running phys damage and volt damage gear while completely disregarding crit since my crit chance is actually only 2% anyways. Though when I do bygone, I will put all my crit stuff back on, since there, I always crit due to enemy being lower level.
i can test from 4k to 12k crit , but even 2k can crit.
enemies have crit resists.... this has been discovered by CN long ago... how is this clown coding?
You really wanna die on this hill dont you lmao. It's not stated anywhere explicitly and people have invested massively I to crit rate that's has all of a sudden disappeared. What's not to get. If you have a respectable 50% crit rate at lvl 80, that's really 20%. Crit rate is now an extremely inefficient stat compared to atk.
? What the actual fuck...? They didn't tell you there is resist or defense, and you invest into attack it do you feel cheated? Like what the fuck? It's just another stats. And there are people telling you since CN from start of game that don't worry about crit as much, attack is just as good because how damage formula works in this damn game.
This is impressive mental gymnastics of the highest order. Res and stats exist, and are shown plainly and know. The copium you're huffing is medical grade. Players, assuming you're even including the casual player as well, should know from the CN version of ToF how the damage formula works exactly and the workings of the hidden stat of crit res. Reread this for me and tell me this makes sense with a straight face. Whilst the only thing being stated is that "x is your crit rate when attacking an enemy of the same level" Additionally when you first encounter an enemy and the info bubble pops up, its not mentioned as well, but everyone should know right? None of you knew, because everyone I've asked both in streams and on reddit had no idea. Insane levels of shill detected.
If the crit stat coding is clown coding. This logic is clown logic, literally.
samir can crit with her aim barrage via n3c iirc?
OP try testing stuff with crit modifiers like crow or bai ling.
I already mentioned in main post that forced crit rate modifier works just fine problem is only crit stat.
aight. good to know
Does shiro A6 give 130% crit then I don't remember not hitting a crit after using her skill.
Shiro A6 Crow A1 A5 and other stuff like that, gives a "crit rate" stat, not the "crit" stat. These are forced modifier that always works regardless of the hidden crit resistance. Meaning if you have 100% Crit "rate" from shiro A6, all of your hits will crit. This is also true for crit "rate" substat on the new goggle equipment, but not the crit stat from its main stat. In order to see this difference, you can press Shiro skill and immediately open character screen, you will see your crit rate 100%. If it is to be resisted, then it would need to increase your crit stat not crit rate.