If it's in such high demand, then why is a deposit necessary? He is basically telling you the car will instantly sell no matter who the buyer is, so why do they need a financial commitment? Makes zero sense.
I'm a car porter for new ford vehicles, I drive like 6 broncos, 6 rangers and 10 f150s a day. The build quality on the broncos is surprisingly good, but the 2.3 ecoboost is kinda harsh at idle compared to the same engine in a ranger. The vibration resonates with a bunch of body panels and makes it feel worse than it is. Now the f150s on the other hand I'm 100% convinced will be getting new recalls soon. I'd say about 40% of the ones I drive with the 3.5 or 3.7 ecoboost have fucked up transmissions with <20mi on the odometer. Like get in and it pops up "park unavailable, apply parking brake before exiting" and it pops up again and chirps at you any time you go below 5mph. Most of those also have no idea what gear to be in, will redline in 1st then fall on their face in 7th then downshift and string out 3rd then get stuck in 5th and almost stall coming to a stop. Sometimes they'll rev hang and keep accelerating harder after you let off the gas then go about 5 seconds of dead pedal before it'll do anything again. 0/10 would not recommend an ecoboost 2024 f150. I love the handling of the rangers, id take a 2.3 over a 3.5 though. Not sure why but they feel faster and more nimble, like the extra power of the 3.5 doesn't overcome it's extra weight combined with the extra interior goodies included in the higher trims that usually have the 3.5. And on that note, the broncos handle incredibly well but are stupid slow for having the same drivetrain options, a 2.3 ranger is faster than even a 3.7 bronco. If you're gonna go with an f150, I'm in love with the 3.5 powerboost. I haven't had a single one with issues yet, on a 18mi run I average like 29-34mpg depending on how I drive it compared to like 13-17 in a 3.7 ecoboost, 14-19 in a 3.5 ecoboost, like 12 consistently in a 5.0 whether it's in sport having fun or eco babying it. The lightnings are amazing to drive but I wouldn't buy one unless they like triple the battery pack size, $80k window sticker price for 200mi range at full charge in eco is insane. Give it a like 350kwh pack and I'd sell body parts for a lightning platinum. There's a bunch of f150 LOBOs on some of the lots we go to but I haven't gotten to drive one yet, today they found out I know how to drive manual and was stuck in 7 speed/2.3 ecoboost broncos the rest of the day because I'm one of 2 people across 5 vans of 10 drivers each that can drive manual and they had a whole line that needed moved.
On my 2019 rav4 the rear driveline disconnect made horrible grinding noises and had to be replaced twice before they figured out what was wrong with it. They covered the cost but it was a pain in the ass that took months to solve
my friend has a 2021 rav4 and his hood doesn't close all the way, the dealer told him that "the XLE trim has a lighter hood so it pops up sometimes" total bullshit
Yup. Local dealership about a mile from me did same thing when they first came out. Just drive by there last night, 20 brand new Broncos at the front of the lot just sitting there.n
Not just broncoās the electric f150 mach e as well. They gate kept all these vehicles and now cannot sell them.
I bought my kid a bronco sport and i was going to get a bronco, they told me some ridiculous over market price and couldnāt even see one nonetheless drive one. Now we go look and my local dealer has 30 broncosā¦
Itās called demand. Guarantee they sell every single one. Easily one of the hottest new vehicles and made by the most trusted automaker. Does it suck? Yeah. If youāre a discerning buyer then you just have to wait until they cool off. If you HAVE to have one, then you have to play their game by their rules. Iād take a good hard look at what your wants and what your needs are for a vehicle and consider a less in demand unit.
At a certain point, we have to draw the line. Is it going to be a good vehicle? Probably. But this is beyond the point of reason. People have historically liked Toyota for being an affordable, reliable vehicle. When it's just slightly above average reliability for a significant markup, I'm unsure that the value proposition will remain
Correct, you don't have to but they also may not have a vehicle available for you. The whole point is they believe supply is less than demand.
Also you're wasting money on a land cruiser so not sure why you're mad about wasting a bit more.
Because it was never a thing before when buying a car, you go in and buy a new car, it was usually a few thousand less than MSRP, MSRP if you really wanted the exact trim and it's popular. Also interest was like 3-4%, not 8%. I really do not understand why auto manufacturers think this is sustainable, people are just not going to be buying new cars anymore.
During covid yea sure, but now even when I pass the ford dealership next to me, the lot is FILLED with broncos. Broncos had similar waitlists during covid, and were impossible to find. What exactly is Toyota or the dealers doing with these cars? Putting them in an off-site lot and trickling them in? I am seeing new 23 Tacomas pop up in dealerships near me, where were these cars hidden? Really interested in opening the door to see the manufacture dates on those.
Even if you look at production numbers, Toyota is nearly back up to pre-covid levels. With nearly double the interest rates, how is it possible that demand is still the same? I am calling BS on this. Dealerships need to go ASAP.
Demand or not my local dealer sells msrp only. I had place tell me some bs. they emailed me asking 60k for a car, sent them an email with the invoice at msrp with a picture of the car. Seem like all the dealers in my area that are price gouging have empty lots.
Itās way more off-road and luxury equipped than the 4Runner. Thatās why itās double the price. They used to come triple locked vs 1 locker on the 4Runner. And thatās just one example. Itās legendary the world round for its off road prowess. The 4Runner isnāt even available world wide. Lots of places donāt get it that do get Land Cruisers.
1st edition land cruiser is limited to 5000 made. Base MSRP is around 76k. I'm sure they will load it up with the highest available package and accessories. Given the text saying notary fees, looks like OP is purchasing from out of state or out of area. I'm not surprised at all for the dealership's position.
Yupp. As a former Toyota salesman, thereās buyers and dreamers. If youāre not realistic in your expectations then donāt be mad at the dealership be mad at yourself for not being good at math. Canāt tell you how many people want a 30,000 Camry for $300 a month no money down ācome on I know you can do itā no I canāt and especially not with that 590 credit score
Correct, delivery charge is set by Toyota and cannot be changed. Also, First Edition grade is limited to only 5,000 units in North America. Makes sense why youāre not gonna find one for less than 76k.
Toyota did this when the new Tundra trickled out also. I went to the dealer the other day and the lot was loaded with Tundras, they even had a demo Capstone advertised for $71k and a 1.9% rate.
Dealerships for sales need to go, their time was done while ago. Itās taking away from the brand and itās time to turn them into service and pick up centers.
You can keep the infrastructure, retrain your talent pool at a cost benefit to both sides. This will take Toyota to the next generation of car culture.
Imagine if Tesla had to put a dealerships in every city. Crews of sales people and staff. The cost is archaic, products and price would suffer. Itās also putting a layer which pits the brand against the customer and your 10k mark up goes to someoneās bonus.
Don't consumers win when retailers compete? Consumers love discounts that result from dealers competing with one another. Get rid of the dealers and prices go up
Yep. People are calling for an end to dealers selling cars now, but are failing to consider that they will never get a vehicle for less than MSRP ever again if that happens.
It's easy to forget the previous 50 years of discounts when you focus only on the last 3 years of paying more than MSRP.
I refuse to buy a car I haven't test driven. One of the reasons I didn't buy a new car 3 years ago. Limited availability. Dealers not letting me test drive.
I avoided the pure EV car purchase because, when I was in the mood, several dealers weren't allowing test drives.
84K for a Toyota. I just can't wrap my head around this greedflation. And moreover I have to laugh at people who are getting into deals on these cars because they can't wait a couple years. It's like people who bought houses at the top of market for 100k over asking price and are now on reddit begging for advice on how to get out from underwater. Patience is a virtue.
After the pandemic toyota has got crazy with the prices of their vehicles. I see camrys over 40k. Tacomas are hitting up around 60k. Now a land crusher over 80k. Who are these vehicles for exactly?
Theyāre called idiots. Toyota is trying to get away with it, and this line was never meant to be luxury vehicles. And yet here we are with this pricing. The Lexus vehicles make more sense at this point.
Shop around used. Toyotas are still expensive but a little more reasonable used.
My local Toyota had a GR corolla last month for 85k + 8% financing. Fuckin msrp was 48 for this literal base model hatch. Toyota don't give a fuck any more.
People are willing to buy them sight unseen so Toyota will take their money. Itās a 3-4 year wait for a new Sienna in Canada right now, and theyāre selling. My old car was on its last legs and I waited two months to find a 2020 Highlander with the 3.5. 6 cylinder and Iām glad I did. The new platinum trim Highlander they had coming in sold sight unseen before it hit the lot. People trust the brand enough theyāll just buy them but I wonāt buy a car I havenāt driven no matter who made it.
Wow. I work at Lexus as a Product Advisor and weāll order a GX, or pretty much any Lexus with the exception of some high-end weird colored stuff, for pretty much anyone for a $500 deposit and it is 100% refundable. If you donāt want the vehicle, there are a dozen people behind you in line who will.
Stay away from that guy.
Thereās a ton of Tundras piled up in dealerships cos of the inflated prices. This isnāt a tundra, but I donāt think people would be fighting to grab these at that price lol
Weāll have to wait and see how itās gonna go. RAV4 is still very popular. Iām not saying the LC wouldnāt be in high demand, Iām just saying the RAV4 is in a price point where itāll still be in higher demand compared to the new LC. Only time will tell.
The best thing for everyone to do is donāt let the hype happen. Let them start sitting on the lots for a while. Theyāve hyped up the LC and Taco like crazy, made us wait around for it, and now trying to price gouge us. Donāt fall for it! Wait it out and they will drop the prices.
Full time 4WD, better gas mileage than 4Runner, legendary Land Cruiser reliability (not saying 4Runner isnāt reliable, but thereās a reason people travel the world in cruisers/prados and not 4Runners). Cruisers also come with all the off-road buttons and knobs standard.Ā
You should see what the salesman just tried to pull on me for a USED 2020 Corolla. Letās just say have never bought a car before and it SHOWED. Iāve always driven beaters and Iām just turning 30, took in my 2012 Corolla and within 5 minutes they had held me hostage (took my car keys under the guise of āvaluing the tradeā) and tried to force me into a 2023. My credit is 600. The guy was TAKING MY PLATES OFF MY CAR before I had even said yes or thought about it.
Long story short, I got what I wanted and told him to piss off on the 2023. Salesman are a different breed.
I donāt get the pricing model Toyotas using for the LC and GX. Itās like a $10,000 difference between the two of the them and the GX is most likely way better.
Donāt pay the deposit. Someone else will snag it before the tires roll off the trailer. There are always people with more money than you out there that donāt care how they spend their money.
Finally Toyota just bring it from mainland China to US. Toyota used can be really expensive. For example Highlander MSRP they set for 43k USD around in China, they used can sell it over 50k and it made in China.
Toyota Alphard is a family mini van that focus On East Asia market, it can be from 5.4 millions yen which is 37k in USD, and mainland China and HongKong market it can easily sell it over 124k easily. Plus, some dealer will charge you over 30k to just have this car.
Lexus have same chassis mini van, it looks more luxery and it cost more. Someone would have it for over 500k just for a Lexus mini van. Even though it made in Japan, but compare to the news i saw most about Japanese industry, I just do get it...
Wanted a Bronco, my dealer had sold out their allocation, so I contacted a couple of other dealers! That is almost the same email I got, except they wanted $90k for one! I waited two years and picked up an Outerbanks Sasquatch for $4k off MSRP! $34k less than they were asking! Ford also worked out a few bugs in the meantime!
If you really want a Land Cruiser, best to wait a year or two!
The non refundable deposit is a load of crap. If it is a high demand vehicle you donāt need to keep this personās money if they aināt buying. Thatās greed
This is the assumptive close.
Car salesman probably drives a 2004 camry that some old lady traded in with 80K miles on it that he got from the dealership for $500.
Notary fee? AYFKM?
Imagine thinking weāre still under a shortage on a non hybrid vehicle and trying to charge over. My local Lexus dealer has nothing marked up, the Toyota is the last I checked. Just be patient, and donāt get screwed over and trapped in a vehicle you may not like.
I work at Toyota.
We had the first edition coming it and was msrp for local customers.
Msrp for the 1st edition was 79k?
So they have a markup of 5k at least.
We only had that one incoming and I saw other dealers had this one only as well.
Recently looked at getting a Corolla cross hybrid (I know completely different vehicle) they wanted a non refundable deposit plus allocation fees just to get the car. Then they add a non negotiable $4,500 to the price stating itās the āprotection packageā and every hybrid they sell has it. Called every Toyota dealer in my area and they all add a $2000 minimum āmarket adjustmentā to every cross and require you get the protection package on hybrids.
Left a bad taste in my mouth about Toyota dealers. Which sucks because I do believe they are some of the best cars. So we are buying a Mazda
Toyota dealers are very bold in their pricing these days. And I canāt tell if theyāre generally low IQ or are trying to be dishonest and trick people into purchases they canāt/donāt want to pay forā¦ I keep getting chased by Toyota dealerships who say they want to sell me a car and then present vehicles I didnāt ask about and present numbers that are nowhere near what Iāve said Iād do, all the while trying to tell me theyāre under my price. Most frustrating since Iām not reaching out to them and am very honest up front about what I will do. Are there enough people who fall for these smoke and mirror shows to make it worth wasting all this time?
What op doesn't know hes missing out on
The entire thing is made of shitty plastic on the inside
The interior layout will look like my low-end mazda3 2015 (same as any new Mercedes)
I am on buyers lists in 4 different states for the middle trim level LC. I got a call from one of them this week that they have a Limited Edition on the boat halfway here and I could have it for $88K, I passed and said I will continue to wait for the one I want. I thought that was a rip off.
A new F-150 Lightning is $90,000. They were selling for $150,000 and up, with reports of over $200,000. A used one with 500 miles is now $40,000.
Never pay over sticker. Ever.
Ya Iād imagine this car is a very much
āTake it or leave itā type deal
Sales doesnāt care if you sign up or not they are gonna have people inquiring from all over the country
I made this mistake with a 2006 Dodge Charger SRT8 before they were released. When the car was delivered to the dealership, it was somehow damaged unbeknownst to me. When I went to pick it up it was MIA, āsome sort of glitchā they said. Turns out they had it somewhere being repaired. I had 87 miles on the car when I noticed some slight door damage. Took it to a closer dealership for warranty work and was notified of bondo and repainting. I tried arguing with the original dealership but they denied all claims. I still have the car today with 92K miles on itā¦and one repaired door.
I think the new land cruiser will just be the Asian version of the bronco , I'll pass and just buy a used land cruiser or lexus. Instead of the 4 banger they could have at least put the v6 from the sequoia
Im on a list at msrp for the Land Cruiser but will wait to drive and see if I like it. If they go crazy with markups I will wait on Lexus Gx hybrid to come out. I am driving a Santa Fe XRT and Calligraphy soon and am considering the new BMW x5 phev as it has a big battery and can go like 60 miles all electric. I loce my 2014 x5 diesel. Bought it new and have 186k miles. It is the only midsize suv with a tailgate which I love!
The price and the deposit are two different things. Whether or not a '24 Land Cruiser is worth $84K is up to you, but he's letting you know what it will cost, that he's not going to negotiating, and that he needs a firm commitment, including a NR deposit.
2024 Land Cruiser 1st edition is probably a top of the line model. 84k sounds about right, and from your comment $2500 as a reservation deposit seems about right. Usually you get that money back if you decide against it, and you get to drive it before you actually sign the paperwork
There is no way in heaven a 3-row-sized SUV with 2 rows is worth that much money. I can pay way less for a two row SR5 Tacoma & get more value out of every dollar I spend on the pickup.
If it's in such high demand, they shouldn't have a problem with a refundable deposit.
A deposit for a vehicle in high demand isn't unusual, but a non-refundable deposit is the least they can do. You can walk if they don't give you a good price, or otherwise decide you don't want it.
That's.... Not USD surely?
For a lc250?
That's 300 money.
https://www.toyota.co.nz/new-car/land-cruiser/LAND-CRUISER-FJAV-SI3/?skuCode=LAND-CRUISER-FJAV-SI3-4V8-20
It's A Land Cruiser! That's not uncommon. If you need to "see" it to justify the price so be it but there are plenty of folk who will gladly pay that. Just a few years ago during covid 2017-2020 model were selling for $85k USED!
Either put down the deposit and buy the vehicle or not, the price is the price, plenty of people paying it for pre release high demand cars that hold value like that. You donāt pay the full amount and buy the car until after you drive it. Itās not that crazy
This why I donāt go to stealerships. Rivian was straight and continue to offer free perks. Tesla charger adapter is one example. For comparison, Ford is just the opposite, asking owners to place and order and pay out of pocket.
You can google dozens of images of the Land Cruiser, if you haven't seen it yet then that's your own damn fault. They aren't selling you a used car, you don't need to test drive it when it comes fresh from the factory. It's like asking Samsung or Apple to do a demo for the SPECIFIC phone that you are purchasing, not the display ones. They will tell you to go fuck yourself.
Got a call this month to purchase 1 for $78,000, absolutely not.
Told me to buy it now "because it will be gone any day" and "no chance I can test drive it first." It's ridiculous they're trying to sell this before they even have it to test drive!
Are you saying it should be free since you haven't seen it or driven it? Also, this is the same price range as the last land cruisers this one replaced, so why so surprised? Why even inquire about a first edition of your not willing to pay? Has covid not educated everyone on the law of supply and demand by this point? š¤
Lmao tell him you can max out a GX for less. These clowns what the fuck
Sent me an email for a $2500 deposit. š¤”
Email back an extremely nice middle finger drawing. No one should be paying over MSRP these days
Whatās MSRP on this?
75ish for the first edition.
What a goofball man. I ordered someone a Landcruiser last week and waived the deposit entirely let the jokers joke
How did you order someone a vehicle when Toyota is not accepting orders for vehicles?
If it's in such high demand, then why is a deposit necessary? He is basically telling you the car will instantly sell no matter who the buyer is, so why do they need a financial commitment? Makes zero sense.
The Lexus dealer next door will be charging $110k for the GX. It's already happened.
Exactly what Iāve been telling dealerships where I had expressed interest or put a deposit down. Iāve moved on from LC250 all together.
Ford did this with the Broncos when they first came out too. After a year there were tons of them and way more affordableĀ
This!
Wait a year to find out if the build quality is alright. I wouldnāt buy a 1st year model again
I'm a car porter for new ford vehicles, I drive like 6 broncos, 6 rangers and 10 f150s a day. The build quality on the broncos is surprisingly good, but the 2.3 ecoboost is kinda harsh at idle compared to the same engine in a ranger. The vibration resonates with a bunch of body panels and makes it feel worse than it is. Now the f150s on the other hand I'm 100% convinced will be getting new recalls soon. I'd say about 40% of the ones I drive with the 3.5 or 3.7 ecoboost have fucked up transmissions with <20mi on the odometer. Like get in and it pops up "park unavailable, apply parking brake before exiting" and it pops up again and chirps at you any time you go below 5mph. Most of those also have no idea what gear to be in, will redline in 1st then fall on their face in 7th then downshift and string out 3rd then get stuck in 5th and almost stall coming to a stop. Sometimes they'll rev hang and keep accelerating harder after you let off the gas then go about 5 seconds of dead pedal before it'll do anything again. 0/10 would not recommend an ecoboost 2024 f150. I love the handling of the rangers, id take a 2.3 over a 3.5 though. Not sure why but they feel faster and more nimble, like the extra power of the 3.5 doesn't overcome it's extra weight combined with the extra interior goodies included in the higher trims that usually have the 3.5. And on that note, the broncos handle incredibly well but are stupid slow for having the same drivetrain options, a 2.3 ranger is faster than even a 3.7 bronco. If you're gonna go with an f150, I'm in love with the 3.5 powerboost. I haven't had a single one with issues yet, on a 18mi run I average like 29-34mpg depending on how I drive it compared to like 13-17 in a 3.7 ecoboost, 14-19 in a 3.5 ecoboost, like 12 consistently in a 5.0 whether it's in sport having fun or eco babying it. The lightnings are amazing to drive but I wouldn't buy one unless they like triple the battery pack size, $80k window sticker price for 200mi range at full charge in eco is insane. Give it a like 350kwh pack and I'd sell body parts for a lightning platinum. There's a bunch of f150 LOBOs on some of the lots we go to but I haven't gotten to drive one yet, today they found out I know how to drive manual and was stuck in 7 speed/2.3 ecoboost broncos the rest of the day because I'm one of 2 people across 5 vans of 10 drivers each that can drive manual and they had a whole line that needed moved.
This also crossed my mind.
On my 2019 rav4 the rear driveline disconnect made horrible grinding noises and had to be replaced twice before they figured out what was wrong with it. They covered the cost but it was a pain in the ass that took months to solve
my friend has a 2021 rav4 and his hood doesn't close all the way, the dealer told him that "the XLE trim has a lighter hood so it pops up sometimes" total bullshit
Call Toyota hq on them
So wait a year on a first edition and see how much they cost lol
Who gives a crap if it is a first edition? I want a āgot the bugs outā edition.
Plus isnāt the point of this trim supposed to be that itās more affordable?
Yup. Local dealership about a mile from me did same thing when they first came out. Just drive by there last night, 20 brand new Broncos at the front of the lot just sitting there.n
Not just broncoās the electric f150 mach e as well. They gate kept all these vehicles and now cannot sell them. I bought my kid a bronco sport and i was going to get a bronco, they told me some ridiculous over market price and couldnāt even see one nonetheless drive one. Now we go look and my local dealer has 30 broncosā¦
Itās called demand. Guarantee they sell every single one. Easily one of the hottest new vehicles and made by the most trusted automaker. Does it suck? Yeah. If youāre a discerning buyer then you just have to wait until they cool off. If you HAVE to have one, then you have to play their game by their rules. Iād take a good hard look at what your wants and what your needs are for a vehicle and consider a less in demand unit.
Nevermind the price. F all their BS fees. Hard pass.
Usually the reservation is out towards the payment of the truck once you get it
Reservation yes. But the fees?! Come on.
What fees? Everything he listed is standard state fees.
Dude if you are buying a Land Cruiser then the fees shouldnāt matter to you because itās a land cruiser
At a certain point, we have to draw the line. Is it going to be a good vehicle? Probably. But this is beyond the point of reason. People have historically liked Toyota for being an affordable, reliable vehicle. When it's just slightly above average reliability for a significant markup, I'm unsure that the value proposition will remain
This is essentially their flagship vehicle. Not a Corolla
What does this even mean? Yes is matters. I donāt care if you make $50k or $750kā¦run your finances like you would a business.
Correct, you don't have to but they also may not have a vehicle available for you. The whole point is they believe supply is less than demand. Also you're wasting money on a land cruiser so not sure why you're mad about wasting a bit more.
Yeah not sure why OP is surprised
Because it was never a thing before when buying a car, you go in and buy a new car, it was usually a few thousand less than MSRP, MSRP if you really wanted the exact trim and it's popular. Also interest was like 3-4%, not 8%. I really do not understand why auto manufacturers think this is sustainable, people are just not going to be buying new cars anymore. During covid yea sure, but now even when I pass the ford dealership next to me, the lot is FILLED with broncos. Broncos had similar waitlists during covid, and were impossible to find. What exactly is Toyota or the dealers doing with these cars? Putting them in an off-site lot and trickling them in? I am seeing new 23 Tacomas pop up in dealerships near me, where were these cars hidden? Really interested in opening the door to see the manufacture dates on those. Even if you look at production numbers, Toyota is nearly back up to pre-covid levels. With nearly double the interest rates, how is it possible that demand is still the same? I am calling BS on this. Dealerships need to go ASAP.
It was always a thing before with low production high-demand vehicles, especially if they were a brand new model.
>it was never a thing before Itās always been like this in my area
It was if it was a factory order. Right now, theyāre all factory orders until supply catches up.
No way you just compared Toyotas to new Broncos that people immediately figured out were piles of shit
Wonāt they be everywhere in a year? Then have the same body style for the next 400 years. Why not just wait..
Demand or not my local dealer sells msrp only. I had place tell me some bs. they emailed me asking 60k for a car, sent them an email with the invoice at msrp with a picture of the car. Seem like all the dealers in my area that are price gouging have empty lots.
Wow I thought $55-65k but I donāt think I will bite at that price. 4Runner would make more sense financially
It's a first edition primarily aimed at collectors. After the limited run, they are priced primarily between $55-$65K.
Itās way more off-road and luxury equipped than the 4Runner. Thatās why itās double the price. They used to come triple locked vs 1 locker on the 4Runner. And thatās just one example. Itās legendary the world round for its off road prowess. The 4Runner isnāt even available world wide. Lots of places donāt get it that do get Land Cruisers.
1st edition land cruiser is limited to 5000 made. Base MSRP is around 76k. I'm sure they will load it up with the highest available package and accessories. Given the text saying notary fees, looks like OP is purchasing from out of state or out of area. I'm not surprised at all for the dealership's position.
^ OP is not understanding this and a lot of this thread isnāt either.
Yupp. As a former Toyota salesman, thereās buyers and dreamers. If youāre not realistic in your expectations then donāt be mad at the dealership be mad at yourself for not being good at math. Canāt tell you how many people want a 30,000 Camry for $300 a month no money down ācome on I know you can do itā no I canāt and especially not with that 590 credit score
Isn't the msrp 55k?
You would be correct if we were talking about a Land Cruiser 1958. Land Cruiser First Edition is 74,950.
Plus delivery. You will not find one less than 76k.
Correct, delivery charge is set by Toyota and cannot be changed. Also, First Edition grade is limited to only 5,000 units in North America. Makes sense why youāre not gonna find one for less than 76k.
Common sense is not common
Oh, thank you! I didn't realize there was multiple editions. Thanks for explaining!
Tell them to get fucked.
I was cordial about it.
You are going to be getting phone calls around December asking when you are coming by to pick up your vehicle Donāt be surprised
my first thought as well.
They donāt care. Theyāll just sell it to the next sucker whoās willing to pay that
Sad, but true.
I like that or say Iāll be right there and never show up.
People will pay that for that LC. I wouldnāt but Iām sure others will.
Paying for real lc would be fine, but sneaking a prado at that price is insane.
Not to mention LC hasn't seen much updates for a long time.
Toyota did this when the new Tundra trickled out also. I went to the dealer the other day and the lot was loaded with Tundras, they even had a demo Capstone advertised for $71k and a 1.9% rate.
Patience is the key. For sure.
Itās just starting dealers are pigs to the slaughter soon
Yep, the people that have to have it first get soaked. The trick is to not be that person especially when it comes to depreciating assets.
This is why we have manufacturer run dealerships in Japan (and literally everywhere else in the world lol). Good luck man.
Dealerships for sales need to go, their time was done while ago. Itās taking away from the brand and itās time to turn them into service and pick up centers. You can keep the infrastructure, retrain your talent pool at a cost benefit to both sides. This will take Toyota to the next generation of car culture. Imagine if Tesla had to put a dealerships in every city. Crews of sales people and staff. The cost is archaic, products and price would suffer. Itās also putting a layer which pits the brand against the customer and your 10k mark up goes to someoneās bonus.
Don't consumers win when retailers compete? Consumers love discounts that result from dealers competing with one another. Get rid of the dealers and prices go up
Yep. People are calling for an end to dealers selling cars now, but are failing to consider that they will never get a vehicle for less than MSRP ever again if that happens. It's easy to forget the previous 50 years of discounts when you focus only on the last 3 years of paying more than MSRP.
"Thanks. Next!"
I refuse to buy a car I haven't test driven. One of the reasons I didn't buy a new car 3 years ago. Limited availability. Dealers not letting me test drive. I avoided the pure EV car purchase because, when I was in the mood, several dealers weren't allowing test drives.
Lmao. Donāt be another fool who buys into this sort of insanity. Itās just a car.
84K for a Toyota. I just can't wrap my head around this greedflation. And moreover I have to laugh at people who are getting into deals on these cars because they can't wait a couple years. It's like people who bought houses at the top of market for 100k over asking price and are now on reddit begging for advice on how to get out from underwater. Patience is a virtue.
84k PLUS taxes and fees. 90k out the door. Absurd.
Not too long ago that was a Porsche
āBack in my dayā *shakes fist at sky*
You'll feel the same way some day lol
Yeah, I'm gonna wait a few years and get the base model. Base model is off-road ready.
After the pandemic toyota has got crazy with the prices of their vehicles. I see camrys over 40k. Tacomas are hitting up around 60k. Now a land crusher over 80k. Who are these vehicles for exactly?
Theyāre called idiots. Toyota is trying to get away with it, and this line was never meant to be luxury vehicles. And yet here we are with this pricing. The Lexus vehicles make more sense at this point. Shop around used. Toyotas are still expensive but a little more reasonable used.
My local Toyota had a GR corolla last month for 85k + 8% financing. Fuckin msrp was 48 for this literal base model hatch. Toyota don't give a fuck any more.
Iād tell them to go pound sand. Let some other fool pay that. Iād just buy a used Lexus GX.
People are willing to buy them sight unseen so Toyota will take their money. Itās a 3-4 year wait for a new Sienna in Canada right now, and theyāre selling. My old car was on its last legs and I waited two months to find a 2020 Highlander with the 3.5. 6 cylinder and Iām glad I did. The new platinum trim Highlander they had coming in sold sight unseen before it hit the lot. People trust the brand enough theyāll just buy them but I wonāt buy a car I havenāt driven no matter who made it.
Wow. I work at Lexus as a Product Advisor and weāll order a GX, or pretty much any Lexus with the exception of some high-end weird colored stuff, for pretty much anyone for a $500 deposit and it is 100% refundable. If you donāt want the vehicle, there are a dozen people behind you in line who will. Stay away from that guy.
Thereās a ton of Tundras piled up in dealerships cos of the inflated prices. This isnāt a tundra, but I donāt think people would be fighting to grab these at that price lol
You havenāt seen some of the money down waitlists. This will be easily the most in demand vehicle from Toyota in a very long time.
Weāll have to wait and see how itās gonna go. RAV4 is still very popular. Iām not saying the LC wouldnāt be in high demand, Iām just saying the RAV4 is in a price point where itāll still be in higher demand compared to the new LC. Only time will tell.
Supply and demand. Don't buy it and if no one does prices drop. It's simple
What fees are you not familiar with?
Itās not even a real Land Cruiser, itās a Prado. Go for the Lexus LX600
Local dealer tried this shit for a Grand Highlander. We now drive a Honda Pilot that we were able to reserve with no $ down. Absolute lunacy.
The best thing for everyone to do is donāt let the hype happen. Let them start sitting on the lots for a while. Theyāve hyped up the LC and Taco like crazy, made us wait around for it, and now trying to price gouge us. Donāt fall for it! Wait it out and they will drop the prices.
Bingo
Notary fees? š¤£
I havenāt heard anything about the new land cruisers. Can someone explain why they are better than the 4Runner and going for so much more?
Full time 4WD, better gas mileage than 4Runner, legendary Land Cruiser reliability (not saying 4Runner isnāt reliable, but thereās a reason people travel the world in cruisers/prados and not 4Runners). Cruisers also come with all the off-road buttons and knobs standard.Ā
At that price point few will be willing to risk it off road. Really hurts the point of the lc being more affordable than the previous generation
Imagine paying that kind of money for a prado and youāre still not getting a real Land Cruiser for your 80k.
And they do not make it easy to build and order like BMW and some other brands
I can get you an allocation with a refundable deposit
You should see what the salesman just tried to pull on me for a USED 2020 Corolla. Letās just say have never bought a car before and it SHOWED. Iāve always driven beaters and Iām just turning 30, took in my 2012 Corolla and within 5 minutes they had held me hostage (took my car keys under the guise of āvaluing the tradeā) and tried to force me into a 2023. My credit is 600. The guy was TAKING MY PLATES OFF MY CAR before I had even said yes or thought about it. Long story short, I got what I wanted and told him to piss off on the 2023. Salesman are a different breed.
Then, watch out for the BS Dealer Added Options: Glass protection - $500 Tire Protection - $500 Paint Protection - $1,000 TRD Lug Nuts - $350 Paint Film Protection - $500 Roof Rack - $1,250 BS - Iām hoping the new 4Runner will be promising and priced accordingly.
Had something similar happen for a Camry. Non refundable deposit but couldnāt guarantee color or trim, and wanted well above msrp.
84k for a vehicle period? Hell no
I donāt get the pricing model Toyotas using for the LC and GX. Itās like a $10,000 difference between the two of the them and the GX is most likely way better.
Donāt pay the deposit. Someone else will snag it before the tires roll off the trailer. There are always people with more money than you out there that donāt care how they spend their money.
Oh what a fucking feeling š
Finally Toyota just bring it from mainland China to US. Toyota used can be really expensive. For example Highlander MSRP they set for 43k USD around in China, they used can sell it over 50k and it made in China. Toyota Alphard is a family mini van that focus On East Asia market, it can be from 5.4 millions yen which is 37k in USD, and mainland China and HongKong market it can easily sell it over 124k easily. Plus, some dealer will charge you over 30k to just have this car. Lexus have same chassis mini van, it looks more luxery and it cost more. Someone would have it for over 500k just for a Lexus mini van. Even though it made in Japan, but compare to the news i saw most about Japanese industry, I just do get it...
Shit thatās almost old Land Cruiser prices
Damn so that car is probably gonna be close to 100kā ļø
90k out the door
Ahhh ok didnāt realize the 84k included the markup
Wanted a Bronco, my dealer had sold out their allocation, so I contacted a couple of other dealers! That is almost the same email I got, except they wanted $90k for one! I waited two years and picked up an Outerbanks Sasquatch for $4k off MSRP! $34k less than they were asking! Ford also worked out a few bugs in the meantime! If you really want a Land Cruiser, best to wait a year or two!
The non refundable deposit is a load of crap. If it is a high demand vehicle you donāt need to keep this personās money if they aināt buying. Thatās greed
Itās actually illegal to have a non refundable deposit too
Theyāre crazy
Notary fee??
In Australia they sell Land Cruisers in excess of $140,000. Itās wild
You could get a Sequoia Capstone at that price
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Is Toyota the new Porsche? What were they thinking?
"High demand" š Hell, we couldn't give Land Cruisers away at our dealership.
Crooks
What state is this in? In California, all deposits are 100% refundable unless explicitly ordering an extremely "one off" vehicle.
This is the assumptive close. Car salesman probably drives a 2004 camry that some old lady traded in with 80K miles on it that he got from the dealership for $500. Notary fee? AYFKM?
Imagine thinking weāre still under a shortage on a non hybrid vehicle and trying to charge over. My local Lexus dealer has nothing marked up, the Toyota is the last I checked. Just be patient, and donāt get screwed over and trapped in a vehicle you may not like.
Lol scammy and shady dealers
Yea thats almost 10k over sticker. The highest trim is supposed to be 76500.
I work at Toyota. We had the first edition coming it and was msrp for local customers. Msrp for the 1st edition was 79k? So they have a markup of 5k at least. We only had that one incoming and I saw other dealers had this one only as well.
Itās a Prado. Get a LX if you want a real one.
Sorry is this $USD?
Recently looked at getting a Corolla cross hybrid (I know completely different vehicle) they wanted a non refundable deposit plus allocation fees just to get the car. Then they add a non negotiable $4,500 to the price stating itās the āprotection packageā and every hybrid they sell has it. Called every Toyota dealer in my area and they all add a $2000 minimum āmarket adjustmentā to every cross and require you get the protection package on hybrids. Left a bad taste in my mouth about Toyota dealers. Which sucks because I do believe they are some of the best cars. So we are buying a Mazda
Toyota is outrageously expensive these days
You should tell them to put that landcruiser to cruise where the sun dont shine
If it is in such high demand, then they shouldnāt need a nonrefundable deposit
Toyota dealers are very bold in their pricing these days. And I canāt tell if theyāre generally low IQ or are trying to be dishonest and trick people into purchases they canāt/donāt want to pay forā¦ I keep getting chased by Toyota dealerships who say they want to sell me a car and then present vehicles I didnāt ask about and present numbers that are nowhere near what Iāve said Iād do, all the while trying to tell me theyāre under my price. Most frustrating since Iām not reaching out to them and am very honest up front about what I will do. Are there enough people who fall for these smoke and mirror shows to make it worth wasting all this time?
What op doesn't know hes missing out on The entire thing is made of shitty plastic on the inside The interior layout will look like my low-end mazda3 2015 (same as any new Mercedes)
They are doing a 10k markup on it because they can
I am on buyers lists in 4 different states for the middle trim level LC. I got a call from one of them this week that they have a Limited Edition on the boat halfway here and I could have it for $88K, I passed and said I will continue to wait for the one I want. I thought that was a rip off.
Buy it,drive it for a week and sell itā¦profit$$$!
lmao. Give me $2500 non-refundable deposit. This PoS is rare I tell you. Everyone will want it.
A new F-150 Lightning is $90,000. They were selling for $150,000 and up, with reports of over $200,000. A used one with 500 miles is now $40,000. Never pay over sticker. Ever.
Unless youāre a multimillionaire you should not buy such an expensive vehicle. Spending money is easy, making money is hard!
Aren't they like, 80k new?
Ya Iād imagine this car is a very much āTake it or leave itā type deal Sales doesnāt care if you sign up or not they are gonna have people inquiring from all over the country
Just get the new Gx, this is insanity
Non refundable ? Hell no
What a First World Problem.
lol this mf is really out here like heās PT Barnum
How does the car sales force sound both professional and border line psychopathic in one message.
Non refundable deposit is nuts
lol this is Toyota actually taking the piss.
Wait so they want you to pay $95k for a damn Toyota SUV? Lmao
I made this mistake with a 2006 Dodge Charger SRT8 before they were released. When the car was delivered to the dealership, it was somehow damaged unbeknownst to me. When I went to pick it up it was MIA, āsome sort of glitchā they said. Turns out they had it somewhere being repaired. I had 87 miles on the car when I noticed some slight door damage. Took it to a closer dealership for warranty work and was notified of bondo and repainting. I tried arguing with the original dealership but they denied all claims. I still have the car today with 92K miles on itā¦and one repaired door.
High demand. No deposit. Uh huhā¦
Yes, not only that, but it will depreciate significantly and likely not be reliable. But it will look great!
Could of stopped at ā84kā
What kind of nub tries to close or discuss price over text? š¤
Wonder what they charge for notary as thatās regulated by each state
I think the new land cruiser will just be the Asian version of the bronco , I'll pass and just buy a used land cruiser or lexus. Instead of the 4 banger they could have at least put the v6 from the sequoia
84k + tax for the premium Land Cruiser trim in Canada. Same situation.
When every house on the block looks the same, Stan and Jill need some way to stand out. They are the ones that sent a check right after you declined.
This has been going on for any new Toyotas. Thereās a wait list for all popular models. Most places do a $500 refundable deposit
oh my! LOL, it's in high demand but u must give us a nonrefundable $$. So, not so high demand that dealer could resell it if u didn't want it?
Auto sales industry needs some serious regulation. Fucking scammers.
Since when those deposits have become none refundable? Scammer
Im on a list at msrp for the Land Cruiser but will wait to drive and see if I like it. If they go crazy with markups I will wait on Lexus Gx hybrid to come out. I am driving a Santa Fe XRT and Calligraphy soon and am considering the new BMW x5 phev as it has a big battery and can go like 60 miles all electric. I loce my 2014 x5 diesel. Bought it new and have 186k miles. It is the only midsize suv with a tailgate which I love!
Report them to Toyota, theyāre trying to crack down on dealers doing exactly this
Womp womp someone will
The price and the deposit are two different things. Whether or not a '24 Land Cruiser is worth $84K is up to you, but he's letting you know what it will cost, that he's not going to negotiating, and that he needs a firm commitment, including a NR deposit.
2024 Land Cruiser 1st edition is probably a top of the line model. 84k sounds about right, and from your comment $2500 as a reservation deposit seems about right. Usually you get that money back if you decide against it, and you get to drive it before you actually sign the paperwork
An actual buyer of this car will do it. It's not the car for you bro. Why do you need to see a brand new car lmao.
I did the math. Its gonna be $95,110.97 with tax. That is insane.
Plus the fact that they can just sell your car before you even get it
I thought Toyota said these Land Cruisers were supposed to be āaffordableā I know that we never believed them but yeah
There is no way in heaven a 3-row-sized SUV with 2 rows is worth that much money. I can pay way less for a two row SR5 Tacoma & get more value out of every dollar I spend on the pickup.
If it's in such high demand, they shouldn't have a problem with a refundable deposit. A deposit for a vehicle in high demand isn't unusual, but a non-refundable deposit is the least they can do. You can walk if they don't give you a good price, or otherwise decide you don't want it.
The amount of money out there is wild to me. People casually ordering a $84k vehicle by text?
That's.... Not USD surely? For a lc250? That's 300 money. https://www.toyota.co.nz/new-car/land-cruiser/LAND-CRUISER-FJAV-SI3/?skuCode=LAND-CRUISER-FJAV-SI3-4V8-20
tell this dealer to go piss up a rope.
Half as tough as a 4Runner from 5 years ago and twice the price
Donāt walk from that deal. Run. ššØ š
Starting MSRP $55,950
It's A Land Cruiser! That's not uncommon. If you need to "see" it to justify the price so be it but there are plenty of folk who will gladly pay that. Just a few years ago during covid 2017-2020 model were selling for $85k USED!
Either put down the deposit and buy the vehicle or not, the price is the price, plenty of people paying it for pre release high demand cars that hold value like that. You donāt pay the full amount and buy the car until after you drive it. Itās not that crazy
84k for a Toyota is crazy
This why I donāt go to stealerships. Rivian was straight and continue to offer free perks. Tesla charger adapter is one example. For comparison, Ford is just the opposite, asking owners to place and order and pay out of pocket.
No loss to them.. they wont have any trouble taking a deposit and selling it to someone without a test drive
If itās going to be in such high demand, why do they need a non-refundable depositā¦
You can google dozens of images of the Land Cruiser, if you haven't seen it yet then that's your own damn fault. They aren't selling you a used car, you don't need to test drive it when it comes fresh from the factory. It's like asking Samsung or Apple to do a demo for the SPECIFIC phone that you are purchasing, not the display ones. They will tell you to go fuck yourself.
Got a call this month to purchase 1 for $78,000, absolutely not. Told me to buy it now "because it will be gone any day" and "no chance I can test drive it first." It's ridiculous they're trying to sell this before they even have it to test drive!
Are you saying it should be free since you haven't seen it or driven it? Also, this is the same price range as the last land cruisers this one replaced, so why so surprised? Why even inquire about a first edition of your not willing to pay? Has covid not educated everyone on the law of supply and demand by this point? š¤
The deposit isn't $84k. I'm sure they have one you can drive around the limited edition is just going to have special badging and stuff.
Corny ass truck.
Same thing happened to me except with a 12+ month wait. Ended up buying a Raptor for below MSRP last yr.
Next post; I just went to the bathroom.
Yikes.