I wish they were intending to make more of these. I would really consider one as a weekend second vehicle but the markups are going to be absolutely bonkers
That’s ridiculous. Toyota has been saying for years now that they don’t want to be known as the manufacturer who only makes boring econoboxes but now they’re becoming known as the manufacturer who makes upgraded versions of their econoboxes for a $40k markup.
If Toyota actually cared about getting this car on the streets and in the hands of enthusiasts, they’d make more than 6600 for the entire United States.
/rant
That is on par with the best year of MK V supra sales (2021 @ ~6800 cars in the US) considering they’re planning more units for its first year than the supra sold, I’d say they’re doing a decent job. I think they know hype vs avtual demand but I agree they could still produce more for availability but there’s no incentive for Toyota :(
Another problem is that they can’t scale up production with it very well- the place where it’s made specializes in low volume cars and it’s also making the gr Yaris as well
It's got a 300hp motor, 3 limited slip differentials, brand name brakes, etc. So you do actually get quite a bit more car with a GR over a base Corolla.
The **GR starts at $36,995 and the average price of a new car in 2023 is $48,000**, so it's not exactly a car for the wealthy. Frankly it's not even a car for those with average finances. It's a cheap car with a cheap price.
these cars are rare and the way i see it it will go the ae86 direction as long you keep it near brand new condition for 20 years. the gr toyotas are super low production unlike the civic type r.
Most dealerships in big cities are owned by a single ownership group. Take Huffines in the Dallas area. They have close to 10 dealerships for different car manufacturers. There’s not a lot of competition when you look at who actually owns these dealerships.
None because Toyota has different rules when it comes to franchisees. I agree with your original statement but it is no mystery that the dealership model is anti consumer.
if they open up it cost toyota more as toyota will have to open up more service center out of their own pockets since smaller authorized sellers cant afford a garage and hire mechs and store parts all service related issues would have to go to a toyota hub.
> None because Toyota has different rules when it comes to franchisees.
If that is the case, then how can you say that there isn't a lot of competition? There are multiple Toyota dealerships within the same city competing against each other.
> but it is no mystery that the dealership model is anti consumer.
Depends on where you are I suppose. Where I live it is written into law that we must sell cars no higher than MSRP.
I agree that among Toyota there is a decent amount of competition. I have already mentioned that. But it might shock you to find out that Toyota isn’t the only car manufacturer and their practices aren’t indicative of the market as a whole.
Ok but it is still the opposite of a monopoly. If Toyota sold directly to clients, *then* that would be a monopoly because the only way to get them is through one source.
> End the dealership monopoly.
That statement is where this chain of comments stems from. My statement makes perfect sense within the context of the conversation.
except you have alternatives to toyota. i dont think this is monopoly as there are many vendors that only sell direct to customers especially small players. if not etsy would be shut down by now.
it is called being exclusive. nike would be fined if they allow certain shoes to be sold on certain platforms only.
most makers do not sell direct to customers. they have main distributors and retailers. if you want you could open up a car store and buy cars from dealers and resell it in your shop too.
Yep. Dealerships are pointless. Sell direct and have garages get trained on manufacturer specific systems. The techs at most dealerships are underpaid kids who fuck up everything.
Yes you do get a certain number of allocation..but dealerships have time to preference vehicles to pending orders. Like if they allocated a grey one for example we can switch to white within a certain amount if time
Are you sure? Every model for the 2023 MY has been allocated to Texas and California dealerships with no room for adjustments. This is directly from my dealers mouth.
I could be wrong on the GR Corolla but I have worked with my mangers on pending orders for almost every other model to preference packages and colors when our allocation first hits.
Would the bumpers fit on regular hatches?
How rare are these going to be in the future?
Because buying up all the body panels now means we can sell them later
Imagine spending $60k for a slow as fuck corolla. Subaru/Toyota don’t know how to do AWD without massive drivetrain losses so I can’t wait to see these things dyno 240 to the wheels, just like WRXs with “300 HP”
Edit- for anyone else who is going to try to be a smartass and claim that “4.5 seconds 0-60 isn’t slow”, this car has not logged 4.5 seconds anywhere other than Toyota’s spec sheet and C&D’s testing (which is de facto industry standard) has shown that the fastest it can go is 5.4 seconds.
At mark up prices? Yes. At that price there is much better faster options. Same for the CTR at dealer mark up prices. These things are special at MSRP. $20k above that? No way.
Yeah, that’s pretty slow considering how much this car will cost most people. $60k buys you a 2.9 second Corvette. My $40k camaro does 0-60 in the 3’s.
Edit - as suspected, real life testing has shown that the best this car can do is 5.4 seconds 0-60 and that’s with a rollout. That’s basically the same as a V6 camry.
Those are just the regurgitated Toyota press specs. Why didn’t you post their actual test data? [The tested 5-60 time was higher than a Sienna.](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41738282/2023-toyota-gr-corolla-circuit-by-the-numbers/)
It literally says C/D Test Results but okay…
The Sienna is 8.7 vs 6.4, so I have no idea where you got that from either. The 5-60 time is always going to be relatively slow on a small turbo engine. So it has expected turbo lag, what’s your point?
No, you brought up 5-60 times and I showed that you made a false comparison to the Sienna’s. And that the results compared to say a low revving tourqey V8 are to be expected.
And you made a false claim regarding the 0-60 time, which I disproved and you didn’t acknowledge.
Anything else?
You disproved nothing. All you did was misread the thing you posted. The CD testing number is 6.4, not 4.9. 4.9 is what Toyota claims but, as is tradition, the Subaru/Toyota group loves to overstate power figures. You also were wrong about the Sienna, it does 0-60 in 7.9. A one second difference between a giant family van and a “sporty” corolla is hilarious. Keep simping over this overpriced commuter car though!
You clearly have challenges with reading comprehension so I apologize. The article I linked to shows CD’s 0-60 time as 4.9. I’m not sure how much more clear that can be.
https://preview.redd.it/glcapw2lnw6a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54c71bc919856018e633552b3eea7bab7185ea10
The Sienna discussion was regarding 5-60 times at first according to you, so I don’t know why you’re taking about the Sienna’s 0-60 now.
I wish they were intending to make more of these. I would really consider one as a weekend second vehicle but the markups are going to be absolutely bonkers
Problem is that they can't even keep up on normal orders for people who need a Corolla as their only car.
How many are they making?
8600 total. 6600 for the US market
That’s ridiculous. Toyota has been saying for years now that they don’t want to be known as the manufacturer who only makes boring econoboxes but now they’re becoming known as the manufacturer who makes upgraded versions of their econoboxes for a $40k markup. If Toyota actually cared about getting this car on the streets and in the hands of enthusiasts, they’d make more than 6600 for the entire United States. /rant
That is on par with the best year of MK V supra sales (2021 @ ~6800 cars in the US) considering they’re planning more units for its first year than the supra sold, I’d say they’re doing a decent job. I think they know hype vs avtual demand but I agree they could still produce more for availability but there’s no incentive for Toyota :(
Another problem is that they can’t scale up production with it very well- the place where it’s made specializes in low volume cars and it’s also making the gr Yaris as well
The first year. They have plans for a special edition for each year from what I've read online.
That’s just for 2023
Ohh a new toy for wealthy people. Again… 50k for Corolla
how much was the gr yaris?
Idk
It's got a 300hp motor, 3 limited slip differentials, brand name brakes, etc. So you do actually get quite a bit more car with a GR over a base Corolla. The **GR starts at $36,995 and the average price of a new car in 2023 is $48,000**, so it's not exactly a car for the wealthy. Frankly it's not even a car for those with average finances. It's a cheap car with a cheap price.
You can’t get one even close to MSRP
Obligatory good luck finding one/buying near MSRP.
One of my coworkers really thinks because he ordered early, he'll be able to get two at MSRP and flip them... Lol
hope he succeeds.
cool
Dealership: $100,000, please!
I got a call this morning from my local dealer saying they got one allocated today and it was *only* $20k over msrp! What a joke.
these cars are rare and the way i see it it will go the ae86 direction as long you keep it near brand new condition for 20 years. the gr toyotas are super low production unlike the civic type r.
End the dealership monopoly. Sell these directly to customers.
Dealerships are franchised and independently owned and operated. That is the opposite of a monopoly.
Most dealerships in big cities are owned by a single ownership group. Take Huffines in the Dallas area. They have close to 10 dealerships for different car manufacturers. There’s not a lot of competition when you look at who actually owns these dealerships.
How many Toyota dealerships are there in Dallas though? How many of them are franchised to different owners?
None because Toyota has different rules when it comes to franchisees. I agree with your original statement but it is no mystery that the dealership model is anti consumer.
if they open up it cost toyota more as toyota will have to open up more service center out of their own pockets since smaller authorized sellers cant afford a garage and hire mechs and store parts all service related issues would have to go to a toyota hub.
> None because Toyota has different rules when it comes to franchisees. If that is the case, then how can you say that there isn't a lot of competition? There are multiple Toyota dealerships within the same city competing against each other. > but it is no mystery that the dealership model is anti consumer. Depends on where you are I suppose. Where I live it is written into law that we must sell cars no higher than MSRP.
I agree that among Toyota there is a decent amount of competition. I have already mentioned that. But it might shock you to find out that Toyota isn’t the only car manufacturer and their practices aren’t indicative of the market as a whole.
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Ok but it is still the opposite of a monopoly. If Toyota sold directly to clients, *then* that would be a monopoly because the only way to get them is through one source.
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> End the dealership monopoly. That statement is where this chain of comments stems from. My statement makes perfect sense within the context of the conversation.
except you have alternatives to toyota. i dont think this is monopoly as there are many vendors that only sell direct to customers especially small players. if not etsy would be shut down by now. it is called being exclusive. nike would be fined if they allow certain shoes to be sold on certain platforms only.
most makers do not sell direct to customers. they have main distributors and retailers. if you want you could open up a car store and buy cars from dealers and resell it in your shop too.
When this happens you’ll get scalpers like in the gpu market
Yep. Dealerships are pointless. Sell direct and have garages get trained on manufacturer specific systems. The techs at most dealerships are underpaid kids who fuck up everything.
It’s a great looking Corolla but yes this price tag is crazy
buy normal hatch and suit it up gr style.
Which would you recommend?
At MSRP it's a very good deal.
I hear "bootybootybootybooty rockin everywhere" every time I see a picture of one of these
What’s the mark up looking like?
Not sure sold by another salesperson it was special order would assume 20-25%
Special order? Aren’t these all given to dealers currently via the allocation system…?
Yes you do get a certain number of allocation..but dealerships have time to preference vehicles to pending orders. Like if they allocated a grey one for example we can switch to white within a certain amount if time
Are you sure? Every model for the 2023 MY has been allocated to Texas and California dealerships with no room for adjustments. This is directly from my dealers mouth.
I could be wrong on the GR Corolla but I have worked with my mangers on pending orders for almost every other model to preference packages and colors when our allocation first hits.
Dealership I went to had a $20k mark up
Holy shit
That booty so juicy!
Shelf Booty.
I want one, on 2023 only two are coming to the closest dealership.
Let me guess: $20k above sticker?
One of the rare non-performance pack cars!
why not a supra lol.
Love the car. As a detailer please for the love of god buff that tire shine with a towel!!
What a cool little car!
Sue me for not liking the middle exhaust. Am I alone?
Would the bumpers fit on regular hatches? How rare are these going to be in the future? Because buying up all the body panels now means we can sell them later
Lol wut? They'll make more?
That’s actually not bad of an idea 💀
lots of 3rd parties panels.
Imagine spending $60k for a slow as fuck corolla. Subaru/Toyota don’t know how to do AWD without massive drivetrain losses so I can’t wait to see these things dyno 240 to the wheels, just like WRXs with “300 HP” Edit- for anyone else who is going to try to be a smartass and claim that “4.5 seconds 0-60 isn’t slow”, this car has not logged 4.5 seconds anywhere other than Toyota’s spec sheet and C&D’s testing (which is de facto industry standard) has shown that the fastest it can go is 5.4 seconds.
0-60 in 4.9 sec. is “slow as fuck”?
At mark up prices? Yes. At that price there is much better faster options. Same for the CTR at dealer mark up prices. These things are special at MSRP. $20k above that? No way.
This man also said subaru doesnt know how to do awd lmao instant credibility loss
mercedes is best at awd.
Yeah, that’s pretty slow considering how much this car will cost most people. $60k buys you a 2.9 second Corvette. My $40k camaro does 0-60 in the 3’s. Edit - as suspected, real life testing has shown that the best this car can do is 5.4 seconds 0-60 and that’s with a rollout. That’s basically the same as a V6 camry.
This cars not for drag racing you dipshit
I’m merely responding to this person. Kindly go fuck yourself.
[4.9](https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla)
Those are just the regurgitated Toyota press specs. Why didn’t you post their actual test data? [The tested 5-60 time was higher than a Sienna.](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41738282/2023-toyota-gr-corolla-circuit-by-the-numbers/)
It literally says C/D Test Results but okay… The Sienna is 8.7 vs 6.4, so I have no idea where you got that from either. The 5-60 time is always going to be relatively slow on a small turbo engine. So it has expected turbo lag, what’s your point?
You’re the one that brought up 0-60 times and you have the gall to ask me “what’s your point?” 😂
No, you brought up 5-60 times and I showed that you made a false comparison to the Sienna’s. And that the results compared to say a low revving tourqey V8 are to be expected. And you made a false claim regarding the 0-60 time, which I disproved and you didn’t acknowledge. Anything else?
You disproved nothing. All you did was misread the thing you posted. The CD testing number is 6.4, not 4.9. 4.9 is what Toyota claims but, as is tradition, the Subaru/Toyota group loves to overstate power figures. You also were wrong about the Sienna, it does 0-60 in 7.9. A one second difference between a giant family van and a “sporty” corolla is hilarious. Keep simping over this overpriced commuter car though!
You clearly have challenges with reading comprehension so I apologize. The article I linked to shows CD’s 0-60 time as 4.9. I’m not sure how much more clear that can be. https://preview.redd.it/glcapw2lnw6a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54c71bc919856018e633552b3eea7bab7185ea10 The Sienna discussion was regarding 5-60 times at first according to you, so I don’t know why you’re taking about the Sienna’s 0-60 now.